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At 12:56 AM 9/26/97 -0400, Stephanie Walker wrote:
>I have a copy of The Devil Discovered and have found it one of the most
>interesting of the witchcraft books - right behind the best, "Currents of
>Malice" by Persis Mcmillen published in 1990, which deals almost
>exclusively with Mary Towne Easty and the Towne families' role in the trials.
snip
>
>Stephanie
>
Thanks for this info, I'll check it out at the library tomorrow.
Tom
I have a copy of The Devil Discovered and have found it one of the most
interesting of the witchcraft books - right behind the best, "Currents of
Malice" by Persis Mcmillen published in 1990, which deals almost
exclusively with Mary Towne Easty and the Towne families' role in the trials.
Another interesting book about the area of Essex Co around Topsfield and
Salem, is "The Refiners Fire - A Mormon Cosmology" It discusses the
ancestry and early life of Joseph Smith the Mormon prophet and his
families' relationship to their neighbors and community. It also discusses
metallurgy and conterfeiting in those days.
Some Towne families are mentioned here.
Funny you should mention the spelling thing. I was just thinking tonight
how in most early documents that were signed by a Cloyes male, the name was
signed as CLAYES. Yet there are sooo many spellings!!
Referred an old connection who just got on line to the group - hope we see
her soon!
Stephanie
At 06:19 PM 9/25/97 -0400, you wrote:
>I just got done reading "The Devil Discovered" by Robinson, and throughout
>he referrs to Sarah's husband as Peter Cloyce. Wonder how many different
>spellings his name has altogether?
>
>As far as Alice goes, I had her listed as Peter's daughter, but have
>changed it to Edmund Bridges daughter, not married to Bridges. Any further
>information on her would be appreciated.
>
>At 08:46 AM 9/25/97 -0400, Stephanie Walker wrote:
>>A possible correction? Does anyone have information that proves Alice
>>Bridges to be daughter of Peter and Sarah Towne Bridges Clayes?
>>
>snip
>
>Tom
>
>
>
I just got done reading "The Devil Discovered" by Robinson, and throughout
he referrs to Sarah's husband as Peter Cloyce. Wonder how many different
spellings his name has altogether?
As far as Alice goes, I had her listed as Peter's daughter, but have
changed it to Edmund Bridges daughter, not married to Bridges. Any further
information on her would be appreciated.
At 08:46 AM 9/25/97 -0400, Stephanie Walker wrote:
>A possible correction? Does anyone have information that proves Alice
>Bridges to be daughter of Peter and Sarah Towne Bridges Clayes?
>
snip
Tom
A possible correction? Does anyone have information that proves Alice
Bridges to be daughter of Peter and Sarah Towne Bridges Clayes?
All the published Cloyes genealogies I have seen, and all the other Cloyes
information that has been shared with me, shows Peter and Sarah Towne
Bridges as being the parents of Alice, who married a Bridges. To my
knowledge, her marriage to a Bridges has not been found in a primary
source. When researching the Records of the First Church of Salem, I found
mention of the baptism of Alice, mother
recorded as Mrs. Bridges, in September 1680. This occurs shortly after a
baptism recorded for Abigail Bridges daughter of Edmund and Sarah in 1677.
No other baptisms are found at that time to other parents named Bridges.
Edmund Bridges, husband to Sarah Towne, died 1682, so Alice would be his
daughter and not the daughter of Peter Clayes and Sarah Towne, if she was
born 1680.
Also;
1. Edmund Bridge's mother's name was Alice and it was common to name
children for their parents and grandparents.
2. No birth, baptism, has been found for Alice daughter of Peter and Sarah.
3. Alice is called 'daughter' in the will of Peter Cloyes in 1703, but as
she was young when Sarah and Peter married, she would have been as a
daughter to him, but not necessarily his biological daughter.
4. That would explain why she is designated as Alice Bridges in Peter's
will. Not because she married a Bridges, but because Bridges was her
surname.
5. Sarah was quite old when she married Peter to have had 3 children by him
if the normal 2 year period between children was in evidence. That would
have put the birth of the third child when Sarah was 50 or older.
Stephanie
From the Littlefield list, sounds like some us us:-{)>
Enjoy
Tom
>---------------------
>Forwarded message:
>Subj: Fwd: Grandma And The Family Tree :-).
>Date: 97-09-15 00:07:48 EDT
>From: EileenGen
>To: Evaninme,Sansum123
>To: kbjerles(a)visuallink.com,Genie1953
>To: Kittywest,jimcarp(a)oneworld.owr.com
>To: PThum,rwest(a)isrv.com,IH1954
>To: RBul1865,Pwestfutch,MWest29720
>To: WordGenius
>To: Jennifer_h(a)compuserve.com,TEALJONES
>To: CathyCadd
>
>Hi,
>Thought you would all enjoy this poem.
>Eileen
>---------------------
>Forwarded message:
>Subj: Fwd: Grandma And The Family Tree :-).
>Date: 97-09-14 21:04:03 EDT
>From: Dazyy5
>To: EileenGen
>CC: Dorcutt931,ruckerfs(a)erols.com
>
>Hi,
>
>I thought you guys would relate to this poem. It makes me think I need to
>back off this stuff for awhile -- my house looks - and my life sounds - just
>like Granny's - and my family thinks I'm crazy.
>
>Fran
>---------------------
>Forwarded message:
>From: madler(a)sierra.net (Bob Madler)
>To: banat-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Date: 97-09-14 14:07:07 EDT
>
>GRANDMA AND THE FAMILY TREE
>
>There's been a change in Grandma, we've noticed her of late,
>She's always reading history or jotting down some date.
>She's tracking back the family, we'll all have pedigrees.
>Oh, Grandma's got a hobby, she's climbing Family Trees.
>
>Poor Grandpa does the cooking and now, or so he states,
>That worst of all, he has to wash the cups and dinner plates.
>Grandma can't be bothered, she's busy as a bee
>Compiling genealogy - for the Family Tree.
>
>She has no time to baby-sit, the curtains are a fright,
>No buttons left on Grandad's shirt, the flower bed's a sight.
>She's given up her club work, the serials on TV,
>The only thing she does nowadays is climb the Family Tree.
>
>She goes down to the courthouse and studies ancient lore,
>We know more about our forebears than we ever knew before.
>The books are old and dusty, they make poor Grandma sneeze,
>A minor irritation when you're climbing Family Trees.
>
>The mail is all for Grandma, it comes from near and far,
>Last week she got the proof she needs to join the DAR.
>A worthwhile avocation, to that we all agree,
>A monumental project, to climb the Family Tree.
>
>Now some folks came from Scotland and some from Galway Bay,
>Some were French as pastry, some German, all the way.
>Some went on west to stake their claim, some stayed near by the sea,
>Grandma hopes to find them all as she climbs the Family Tree.
>
>She wanders through the graveyard in search of date or name,
>The rich, the poor, the in-between, all sleeping there the same.
>She pauses now and then to rest, fanned by a gentle breeze
>That blows above the Fathers of all our Family Trees.
>
>There were pioneers and patriots mixed in our kith and kin
>Who blazed the paths of wilderness and fought through thick and thin.
>But none more staunch than Grandma, whose eyes light up with glee
>Each time she finds a missing branch for the Family Tree.
>
>Their skills were wide and varied, from carpenter to cook
>And one (Alas!) the record shows was hopelessly a crook.
>Blacksmith, weaver, farmer, judge, some tutored for a fee,
>Long lost in time, now all recorded on the Family Tree.
>
>To some it's just a hobby, to Grandma it's much more,
>She knows the joys and heartaches of those who went before.
>They loved, they lost, they laughed, they wept, and now for you and me
>They live again in spirit, around the Family Tree.
>
>At last she's nearly finished and we are each exposed.
>Life will be the same again, this we all supposed!
>Grandma will cook and sew, serve cookies with our tea.
>We'll all be fat, just as before that wretched Family Tree.
>
>Sad to relate, the Preacher called and visited for a spell,
>We talked about the Gospel, and other things as well,
>The heathen folk, the poor and then - 'twas fate, it had to be,
>Somehow the conversation turned to Grandma and the Family Tree.
>
>We tried to change the subject, we talked of everything
>But then in Grandma's voice we heard that old familiar ring.
>She told him all about the past and soon was plain to see
>The preacher, too, was nearly snared by Grandma and the Family Tree.
>
>He never knew his Grandpa, his mother's name was ... Clark?
>He and Grandma talked and talked, outside it grew quite dark.
>We'd hoped our fears were groundless, but just like some disease,
>Grandma's become an addict - she's hooked on Family Trees!
>
>Our souls were filled with sorrow, our hearts sank with dismay,
>Our ears could scarce believe the words we heard our Grandma say,
>"It sure is a lucky thing that you have come to me,
>I know exactly how it's done, I'll climb your Family Tree!"
>
>Author Unknown
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
There's some good info here, so I forwarded it to Alan Littlefield for
verification. I'll post his reply here when I receive it.
On another note, the genealogy that I wrote about 3 weeks ago is now in the
hands of my brother, Jim(rmaxdog(a)aol.com), and when I get a copy I'll add
it to mt database, and inform the list so that whomever wants a copy can
email me for it.
Tom
At 05:00 PM 9/17/97 -1000, Carolyn G. Depp wrote:
>In view of previous questions about the correct first name of the daughter
>of Thomas MILLS whom John CLOYES married as his second wife, I thought
>members of this list might appreciate the following additional documentation:
>
>From: "The Wadleigh Chronicle" by Donald E. Wadleigh [Heritage Books, MD -
>1992], p1-5:
>
>Mary (2) WADLEIGH [John 1], b. abt 1629 in Bristol, Devonshire, England,
>arr Saco ME. Md Thomas (1) MILLS of Wells, ME, b. Excester, England and
> in ME by 1642.
>Children: John, Mary, Sarah, Martha
>
>Martha (2) MILLS [WADLEIGH, Mary (2), John (1)] b. 18 June 1653 in Saco,
>ME. md 1st Jmes SMITH of Saco, ME, md 2nd Christopher GRANT.
>Children by first husband: John, James
> - - - - - -
>From: "Caleb KIMBALL of Wells, Maine 1680-1755" by James L. Kimball [Danvers,
>MA] James was a mechanical engineer & member of the MA House of
>Representatives from Salem.
>
>p4-5 --"Early Settlers at Wells"
>
>"Among the early settlers was Thomas MILLS who came from Saco in 1650 and
>married Mary, the daughter of John WADLEIGH. WADLEIGH, on the 31st day of
>March 1650 had received a grant of land from Sagamore Thomas CHABINOCKE with
>the consent of his mother, Ramanasche, to whom the said WADLEIGH had given
>a consideration. A part of this grant was later conveyed to Mary MILLS,
>WADLEIGH's daughter, and comprised about 200 acres lying between Sam
>AUSTIN's lot and the lot that was formerly WADLEIGH's. MILLS owned the neck
>of land
>at the beach where the Atlantic house once stood and being a fisherman no
>doubt lived on the beach near the fisherman's cove.
>
>"John CLOYES of Charlestown was captain of a small coasting vessel plying
>between Boston and the Maine settlement. Captain John brought needed
supplies
>to the settlement and took back dried fish for the Boston market. John had
>a younger brother, Nathaniel, born in Charlestown March 6, 1643, who made
>frequent trips to the Maine settlement with Captain John and as a result
>married Sarah, a daughter of MILLS. Nthaniel received a grant of land in
>1679 at a location once known as Batcomb, now Moody. Batcomb was at that
>time a growing settlement on the Ogunquit river. It was here that John
>LITTLEFIELD built a saw mill in 1680 at the falls above the ing's highway.
>It was also the home of John's brother Francis, Senior, who kept a public
>house near where the late Henry DONNELLS once lived. Francis was one of the
>leading men of the Province at that early period and represented Batcomb
>and Cape Nedick in the Massachusetts General Court for several years. It
>was at the Francis LITTLEFIELD house that the first General Court in Maine
>was held on May 17, 1662. Captain John CLOYES received a grant of land
>adjoining his brother Nathaniel's on the northeast side. His first wife,
>Mary LONG, who he married in 1664, had died in Charlestown, and Captain
>John had married for his second wife Mary, Thomas MILLS oldest daughter.
>Captain John continued in the coasting trade bringing needed supplies,
>including rum from Boston to the new settlement, while brother Nathaniel
>supplied the wants of the settlers for wet goods at retail. Nathaniel was
>eventually indicted for his part of the liquor business and Captain John
>retired from the coasting trade and died sometime previous to 1715,
>leaving his widow, Mary, and five children.
>
>"Nathaniel CLOYES had three children: Mercy, Sarah, and Susannah, all of
>which, with their mother, at one time lived in Charlestown, probably
>because of the French and Indians Wars. In about 1701 the mother, Mercy
>and Susannah returned to their Wells home. Sarah had died in Charlestown.
>Susannah had learned to be a weaver and found useful employment in this
>capacity in the Maine settlement."
>
>In another section, James Kimball lists the following as children of
>John and Mary (MILLS) CLOYES:
> Abagail, born abt 1680, md (1) John COUSINS and (2) James WIGGINS
> She was a widow for the second time bef 1719
> Mary, born 1683, md (1) Thomas BOSTON, md (2) George BUCKLAND
> Dorothy md Samuel HANCOCK of Cambridge
> Elizabeth md John SCRIBNER of Exeter
>
>"Abagail bought out Mary's interest in her father's estate and Dorothy quit
>claimed to her sister Abagail in 1721, in consideration of Abagail's care to
>their mother Mary (MILLS) CLOYES. However, Elizabeth and John SCRIBNER's
>son were suing their Aunt Abagail in 1746 for 1/4 of the John CLOYES estate,
>but were not successful."
>
>Hope this helps someone!
>--Carolyn Depp
> [cdepp(a)interpac.net]
>
>
>
In view of previous questions about the correct first name of the daughter
of Thomas MILLS whom John CLOYES married as his second wife, I thought
members of this list might appreciate the following additional documentation:
From: "The Wadleigh Chronicle" by Donald E. Wadleigh [Heritage Books, MD -
1992], p1-5:
Mary (2) WADLEIGH [John 1], b. abt 1629 in Bristol, Devonshire, England,
arr Saco ME. Md Thomas (1) MILLS of Wells, ME, b. Excester, England and
in ME by 1642.
Children: John, Mary, Sarah, Martha
Martha (2) MILLS [WADLEIGH, Mary (2), John (1)] b. 18 June 1653 in Saco,
ME. md 1st Jmes SMITH of Saco, ME, md 2nd Christopher GRANT.
Children by first husband: John, James
- - - - - -
From: "Caleb KIMBALL of Wells, Maine 1680-1755" by James L. Kimball [Danvers,
MA] James was a mechanical engineer & member of the MA House of
Representatives from Salem.
p4-5 --"Early Settlers at Wells"
"Among the early settlers was Thomas MILLS who came from Saco in 1650 and
married Mary, the daughter of John WADLEIGH. WADLEIGH, on the 31st day of
March 1650 had received a grant of land from Sagamore Thomas CHABINOCKE with
the consent of his mother, Ramanasche, to whom the said WADLEIGH had given
a consideration. A part of this grant was later conveyed to Mary MILLS,
WADLEIGH's daughter, and comprised about 200 acres lying between Sam
AUSTIN's lot and the lot that was formerly WADLEIGH's. MILLS owned the neck
of land
at the beach where the Atlantic house once stood and being a fisherman no
doubt lived on the beach near the fisherman's cove.
"John CLOYES of Charlestown was captain of a small coasting vessel plying
between Boston and the Maine settlement. Captain John brought needed supplies
to the settlement and took back dried fish for the Boston market. John had
a younger brother, Nathaniel, born in Charlestown March 6, 1643, who made
frequent trips to the Maine settlement with Captain John and as a result
married Sarah, a daughter of MILLS. Nthaniel received a grant of land in
1679 at a location once known as Batcomb, now Moody. Batcomb was at that
time a growing settlement on the Ogunquit river. It was here that John
LITTLEFIELD built a saw mill in 1680 at the falls above the ing's highway.
It was also the home of John's brother Francis, Senior, who kept a public
house near where the late Henry DONNELLS once lived. Francis was one of the
leading men of the Province at that early period and represented Batcomb
and Cape Nedick in the Massachusetts General Court for several years. It
was at the Francis LITTLEFIELD house that the first General Court in Maine
was held on May 17, 1662. Captain John CLOYES received a grant of land
adjoining his brother Nathaniel's on the northeast side. His first wife,
Mary LONG, who he married in 1664, had died in Charlestown, and Captain
John had married for his second wife Mary, Thomas MILLS oldest daughter.
Captain John continued in the coasting trade bringing needed supplies,
including rum from Boston to the new settlement, while brother Nathaniel
supplied the wants of the settlers for wet goods at retail. Nathaniel was
eventually indicted for his part of the liquor business and Captain John
retired from the coasting trade and died sometime previous to 1715,
leaving his widow, Mary, and five children.
"Nathaniel CLOYES had three children: Mercy, Sarah, and Susannah, all of
which, with their mother, at one time lived in Charlestown, probably
because of the French and Indians Wars. In about 1701 the mother, Mercy
and Susannah returned to their Wells home. Sarah had died in Charlestown.
Susannah had learned to be a weaver and found useful employment in this
capacity in the Maine settlement."
In another section, James Kimball lists the following as children of
John and Mary (MILLS) CLOYES:
Abagail, born abt 1680, md (1) John COUSINS and (2) James WIGGINS
She was a widow for the second time bef 1719
Mary, born 1683, md (1) Thomas BOSTON, md (2) George BUCKLAND
Dorothy md Samuel HANCOCK of Cambridge
Elizabeth md John SCRIBNER of Exeter
"Abagail bought out Mary's interest in her father's estate and Dorothy quit
claimed to her sister Abagail in 1721, in consideration of Abagail's care to
their mother Mary (MILLS) CLOYES. However, Elizabeth and John SCRIBNER's
son were suing their Aunt Abagail in 1746 for 1/4 of the John CLOYES estate,
but were not successful."
Hope this helps someone!
--Carolyn Depp
[cdepp(a)interpac.net]
I definately have this disease, how 'bout you all?
Stephanie
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>Date: Thu, 11 Sep 1997 12:16:12, -0500
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>Subject: Smilie <g>
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>-- [ From: Mariana Bean Ruggles * EMC.Ver #2.5.3 ] --
>
>We have had a number of grim days here in southern Maryland, weatherwise
>.....here is some thing to brighten the day! It came from another mail
>list.....does rather describe us does it not?
>
>
> GENEALOGY POX
>
> Very Contagious to Adults
>
>Symptoms:
>Continual complaint as to need for names, dates and places. Patient has
>blank expression, sometimes deaf to spouse and children. Has no taste
>for work of any kind, except feverishly looking through records at
>libraries and courthouses. Has compulsion to write letters. Swears at
>the mailman when he doesn't leave mail. Frequents strange places such
>as cemeteries, ruins and remote, desolated country areas. Makes secret
>calls. Hides phone bill from spouse. Mumbles to self. Has strange
>faraway look in eyes.
>
>No Known Cure:
>
>Treatment:
>Medication is useless. Disease is not fatal, but gets progressively
>worse. Patient should attend genealogy workshops, subscribe to
>genealogical magazines and be given a quiet corner in the house where
>they can be alone.
>
>Remarks:
>The unusual nature of this disease is --- the sicker the patient gets,
>the more he enjoys it.
>
>Author Unknown
>
>--
>Piece and Joy
>Mariana Bean Ruggles ybjf60b(a)prodigy.com
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>
In case anyone is interested in looking at this Littlefield family.
Haven't checked it out yet myself.
>Delivered-To: rica.net-walkers(a)RICA.NET
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>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 21:38:11 EDT
>Reply-To: Frank E Dyer <frank.dyer(a)JUNO.COM>
>Sender: "Genealogy and history in the New England area."
> <NORTHEAST-ROOTS-L(a)LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU>
>From: Frank E Dyer <frank.dyer(a)JUNO.COM>
>Subject: [NORTHEAST] KINGSLEY, LINFIELD, LITTLEFIELD,
> Families of Braintree, Ma.
>Comments: To: DYER-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Comments: cc: ROOTS-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: NORTHEAST-ROOTS-L(a)LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>
>I will periodically post selected families from Braintree, Mass. which
>might be of the most interest to everyone to my web site "The New England
>Dyer Connection".
>
>Families currently posted are:
>
>1.) KINGSLEY Family File
>2.) LINFIELD Family File
>3.) LITTLEFIELD Family File
>
>URL: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/4663
>
>Source: "Genealogies of the Families of Braintree, Ma. 1640-1850" by
>Waldo
>Chamberlain Sprague. (NEHGS micro film)
>
>NOTE: These families are just as they appear on the micro film (except it
>was
>hand written!!)
>
>These pages have been converted to plain text format which you should be
>able to download.
>
>Note: In order to make room on my site, these families will be rotated
>with new ones after about a week, unless I get requests to leave them
>longer.
>
>Enjoy!!!!
>
>Frank Dyer, mailto:Frank.Dyer@Juno.com (Text Only)
>Attachments: FrankD1075(a)aol.com
>Home of "The New England Dyer Connection"
>Web Site: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/4663
>World Family Tree CD, Vol. 5, #1057 (Member NEHGS)
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> List problems?
> Check
> your WELCOME message FIRST
> http://copper.ucs.indiana.edu/~stephenl/genealog.htm#common SECOND
> then contact stephenL(a)indiana.edu
> (Not being unfriendly - just swamped with mail.)
>
>
>
From the Littlefield maillist. Some interesting info here.
Tom
>Resent-Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 11:20:14 -0700 (PDT)
>Comments: Authenticated sender is <alittle(a)ilink.nis.za>
>From: "Alan Littlefield" <alittle(a)ilink.nis.za>
>Organization: 1 wife, 1 girl, 1 dog, 4 birds & house bond
>To: littlefield-roots-l(a)rootsweb.com
>Date: Wed, 10 Sep 1997 20:23:43 GMT+2
>Subject: Early Littlefield & CoA
>Reply-to: alittle(a)ilink.nis.za
>Priority: normal
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>
>Hi all,
>
>I have been in contact with a gentleman in the UK during the last few
>days and a number of points came up. Below are some of the salient
>points that was brought up.
>
>I am hoping that he will be able to supply us with a little more
>insight into the English end of the family, especially around the
>Francis era.
>
>DISCUSSION ABOUT THE FAMILY COAT OF ARMS
>
>2) Your reference to the source for the Littlefield arms is not the
>full title, but the sub-title of the book, whose full title is:
>The General Armory of England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales;
>comprising A Registry of Armorial Bearings from the Earliest to the
>Present Time by Sir Bernard Burke, Ulster King of Arms.
> last edition published by Harrison, 59 Pall Mall London in 1884, but
>reprinted several times since.
>
>The above is generally known as: Burke's General Armory
>
>Have you seen the book in your local library? If not available, I can
>copy the title page and the Littlefield reference page for you from my
>personal copy.
>
>3) From my own genealogical library I have found in Alfred Morant's
>additions and corrections to Burke's General Armory, called General
>Armory Two (published by Genealogical Publishing Company Inc,
>Baltimore, USA in 1974) a reference to Littlefield Arms in Charles
>Knowles Bolton's: American Armory, p. 103 (published by th F W Faxton
>Company, Boston in 1927). Have your USA contacts found this?
>
>3) A copy of the picture of the Littlefield crest from my copy of
>Fairburn's Crests. It shows the wheat in the birds mouth as the
>description of the crest says, unlike the crest on your Web page.
>
>>Which one of the two would be the more authoritive between
>>Fairburn and Burke ?
>
>In this case Burke's General Armory crest description agrees with
>Fairburn. It is the other Burke source from which you have obtained
>the picture which differs. It could be either an error or a variant
>crest used by some other branch of the family.
>
>REFERENCE FOR RICHARD LITTLEFIELD
>
>The reference that I saw is on page 11,774 of microfiche No. B
>0083 of the 1988 edition of the I.G.I. It is not a very good
>reference, in that it may have been inserted from secondary evidence
>as the precise date and parentage of Richard are not given.
>
>EARLY ENGLISH PARISHES & RECORDS
>
>It is much better to use the marriage indexes produced by the county
>family history societies (FHSs). The Hampshire marriage index is
>considered complete for the period 1536-1837. Obviously if the
>original parish registers and bishops' transcripts of same have been
>lost then the entries are not in the index!
>
>Unfortunately one has to join the Hampshire FHS to do blanket searches
>(eg. all Littlefield, and name variant, entries). Cost then is 3
>pounds plus 10 pence for every marriage found! A search for an
>individual marriage is 3 x 2nd class stamps plus an SAE for members
>and 10 x 2nd class stamps plus SAE for non-members. A 2nd class stamp
>is currently 20 pence - about R1.5. But the point is that you find
>'every' marriage in Hampshire for your surname. Note that name
>variants, eg. Litttlefeild, etc must be supplied as the person
>operating the index cannot be expected to know them. My suggestion
>would be to find out the number of Littlefield entries in the marriage
>index (hopefully for free) and then get your USA and Canadian cousins
>to chip in with their dollars! The contact for the Hampshire marriage
>index is:
> Derek Knott, 2 Careys Cottages, Brockenhurst, Hants SO42 7TF
>
>That is all for now but hope to have more shortly. If anyone has
>anything to add please feel free to open up a discussion or to make a
>point.
>
>Alan
>Researching LITTLEFIELD around 1565 in Hampshire, UK
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In case anyone is interested, thought I would post this. I know there are
Towne's at this site. Perhaps other Cloyes connected names.
Stephanie
>Date: Thu, 4 Sep 1997 21:09:20 +0000
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Joined the Towne Family Association. They have a database of 34,000+.
I have been trying to find proof of the surname of Mary, wife of James
Cloyes son of Peter and Hannah Littlefield Cloyes. There database includes
Mary Towne b. 1681, daughter of John Towne and Mary Smith, as wife of James
Cloyes (1678), their source is the will of Mary's grandfather. That is not
information that is too new to me (but it also is not definitive proof as
it does not record her husband's name,only that her name was then Mary
Cloyes), but they also have Mary with a 1st husband and child according to
town records of Mendon, MA! That is new to me, so I thought I would pass
the info along.
1st husband is John Tyler, they had a son Joseph Tyler born 10/21/1721 at
Mendon, MA - died 12/18/1779 at Uxbridge, MA. No other info given. Will
have to search for it.
This might give some clues on where else to look for James and Mary's
marriage and deaths dates that have been elusive to me.
If anyone is interested in the Towne Family Association, let me know and I
will send you the information about joining.
Have a great day!
In the town of Litchfield(probably formerly Frankfort Hill), New York there
is a cemetary called Norwich Corners Cemetary. It's located on Grafenburg
Rd. about 1 mile or so south of the Cloyes Homestead(which is now a driving
range/golf course). Within this cemetary is the Cloyes plot, and an obelisk
marking the site where the following people are buried;
Luther Cloyes b. 1770 d. 3-19-1851 age 81 yrs.
Silas Cloyes b. 1803 d. 1-24-1876 age 73 yrs.
Abigail Wheeler Cloyes b. 1806 d. 2-20-1877 age 71 yrs.
Patty Cloyes b. 1805 d. 6-1-1826 age 21 yrs.
Norman S. Cloyes b. 1839 d. 4-9-1912 age 73 yrs.
Homer E. Cloyes b. 1878 d. 1956
Florence A. Cloyes b. 1877 d. 1933
Cornelia M. Cloyes b. 1892 d. 1988
Anson Gilbert Cloyes b. 8-3-1843 d. 2-1-1932
Adelia Cloyes b. 1850 d. 3-9-1888 age 38 yrs.
Bessie May Cloyes b. 7-21-1886 d. 9-1-1886 age 6 wks.
Jessie Estelle Cloyes b. 2-8-1870 d. 7-1-1876 age 6yr 4mo 22dy
Gilbert S. Cloyes b. 1874 d. 6-6-1902 age 28 yrs.
John Cloyes b. 12-2-1857 d. 11-13-1879 age 22yr 11mo 11dy
Here's where the fun begins. Two of Luther's children are buried here; Silas
and Patty. Silas married Abigail Wheeler (Brown), and had sons; Norman
S.(although my file shows Silas Norman) and Anson Gilbert. Norman S. married
Melissa L. (MNU) who is not buried here. Anson Gilbert married Adelia (MNU),
and had Bessie, Jessie, and Gilbert. Homer E. married 1st Florence, and 2nd
Cornelia. Nothing on John.
Could it be possible that Homer and John were sons of Norman S.? Does anyone
have anything on these two?
(MNU)=maiden name unknown
Thanks
Tom
"Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't."
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