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While snooping around to see if the Wayne County Library had some of the
books mentioned in my database, and here, I stumbled upon what my family was
looking for for over 20 years.
The "Cloyes and Dagwell Family Genealogies" written by Mrs. Francis Herbert
Obetz in 1972(?). It's being held by the Ohio State University in OHS
General. I have the call numbers for it, and if anyone has access to that
library I will give them out then.
Needless to say I'm quite excited by this find(hope I got all the typos out)!
YAHOO
Tom
"Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't."
Unknown-Thanks to E Pluribus Unum
Bill,
Thanks for the info, will incorporate it into my database soon. As far as
Elizabeth Boyd Key, I have nothing on her line.
Tom
"Those who hammer their guns into plows, will plow for those who don't."
Unknown-Thanks to E Pluribus Unum
Good morning Tom,
Here is a direct descendancy line (with siblings) for my folks (as I
have it recorded) down to but not including the still-alive and kicking
category:
Direct Descendants of James Cloyse, (4)
1 James Cloyse, (4) 1781 - 1852
.. +Penelope Nichols 1791 - 1870 m: 7 May 1808
. 2 Luke Cloyse 1809 - Unknown
. 2 Polly Cloyse 1811 -
. 2 James Cloyse, (5) 1814 - Unknown
. 2 Drusilla Cloyse 1816 - Unknown
. 2 Hester Ann Cloyse 1819 - Unknown
. 2 Elizabeth Cloyse 1821 - Unknown
.****** 2 Henry C. Cloyse 1823 - 1861
..... +Elizabeth Boyd Key 1821 - 1902 m: 1 Jan 1845
.... 3 William W. Cloyse 1846 -
.... 3 Wesley L. Cloyse 1848 - Unknown
.... 3 Lydia Frances Cloyse 1850 - Abt. 1852
.... 3 David Matison Cloyse 1851 - Unknown
.****** 3 Sarah Elizabeth Cloyse 1854 - 1893
........ +William Nelson Asbell 1834 - 1894 m: 21 Jan 1880
........ 4 Judge B. Asbell Abt. 1880 - Abt. 1882
.******* 4 Susan Alice Asbell 1881 - 1975 MY GRANDMOTHER
+ Wesley L. Harvey 1876 - 1905
........ 4 Fred Douglas Asbell 1883 - Unknown
........ 4 Joseph Aaron Asbell 1885 - Unknown
........ 4 Adah Maye Asbell 1887 - Unknown
........ 4 Bess Verna Asbell 1889 - 1972
........ 4 William Morton Asbell Aft. 1890 - Unknown
........ 4 Elsie Viola Asbell 1891 - 1894
.... 3 Elvira Cloyse 1856 - 1861
I would be most interested in hearing from any and all as to
corrections, additions or etc. as most of this info was taken from work
done by Bess ASBELL DUNSTAN (published in 1966) and I have no personal
documentation or records of sources on most of the above.
In addition to looking for more info on Penelope NICHOLS, I am
especially interested in gaining more data on Elizabeth Boyd KEY who
married Henry C. CLOYSE as I am devoid of background on her ancestry
also.
Bill Harvey
wlh(a)foothill.net
Tom Cloyes wrote:
>
> Hi William,
>
> Thanks for joining in.
>
> I checked my database and found Henry C. Cloyes, but didn't find you. I'd be
> interested in seeing where you are in this puzzle.
>
> Tom
>
> At 09:28 AM 8/26/97 -0700, William L. Harvey wrote:
> >Good Morning all;
> >
> >Pleased to see this list formed, Tom; good show!
> >
> >I am descended from Henry C. CLOYES, b. 25 Dec. 1823; parents were
> >James(4) CLOYES and Penelope NICHOLS m. 7 May 1808, Christian Co, KY.
> >
> >I have a dob for Penelope of 27 Aug 1791 "of NC" and a dod as 23 Feb.
> >1870, Obion Co., TN.(Thanks to Hugh Cloyes) I also have found a vague
> >reference that Nathaniel NICHOLS may be her father.
> >
> >My question is whether there is someone of this line who has more
> >definite information on Penelope NICHOLS and her ancestry/siblings?
> >
> >Thanks very much,
> >
> >Bill Harvey
> >wlh(a)foothill.net
> >
> >Colfax,(Northern) California
A relative that has done most of study on descendants of James & Penelope
Cloyes is Grace Gary of Union City, Obion County, Tennessee.
Her address and phone number are:
Grace Gary
1433 Forest
P.O. Box 367
Union City, Tennessee 38261
901-885-3314
She would love to hear from you, Bill. She knows your Aunt Bessie in
Kentucky
Hugh Cloyes
Can anyone help me with more information about the descendants of my
ancestor Elijah Clayes/Cloyes? Also need his marriage date.
Thanks!
Descendants of Elijah Cloyes
Generation No. 1
1. ELIJAH7 CLOYES (JAMES6, JAMES5, PETER4, JOHN3, PETER2, PETER1) was
born September 05, 1744 in Framingham, Middlesex Co., Massachusetts, and
died November 30, 1779 in Sunbury, Pennsylvania - age 35 years. He
married ABIGAIL PEPPER Bef. 1763 in Framingham, Middlesex Co.,
Massachusetts, daughter of BENJAMIN PEPPER and ABIGAIL PRATT.
Notes for ELIJAH CLOYES:
1770; Settled Fitzwilliam, L 22 R 9. Name appears on Proprietors records
from June 1771 - April 1774, during which time he served 11 town offices.
(History of Fitzwilliam, NH)
Rev. War - (N.H.) 1st Lieut. 3rd N.H. Captain Jonathan Whitcomb's Co.,
Colonel James Reed's New Hampshire Regiment, 4/23 - 12/1775 - at Bunker
Hill; Winterhill - 9/11/1775; 1st Lieut. 2d Regiment Continental Infantry,
1/1/1776 "Officers of General Sullivan's Brigade"; Captain, Captain Elijah
Clayes Company, 2d New Hampshire Regiment (also designated 2nd Battalion),
commanded sucessfully by Colonel Nathan Hale and Colonel Reid.
Commissioned 11/8/1776 and on the company muster roll dated Camp Eastown,
10/17/1779, covering the period from June to September 1779 inclusive, he
is reported 'Wounded at Sunsbury", died 11/30/1779 of wounds received at
Chemung 8/29/1779. Residence reported as Fitzwilliam, NH. (United States
War Department; Norton's History of Fitzwilliam, NH; internet)
8/29/1779; On this date, " at the indian village of Newtown, near present
Elmira, he attacked the savages under Joseph Brandt, with about 200 British
under Capt. Butler, and routed them. Three Americans were killed and
thirty - two wounded. Capt. Elijah Clayes, of Fitzwilliam, and one
lieutenent were mortally wounded..." (History of Keene, NH - Griffin)
"....The help for Reid came none too soon. His regiment had suffered
badly. Captain Elijah Clayes was shot through the body and blood was
bubbling from his mouth in a froth....Lieutenant Nathan McCauley of
Litchfield, New Hampshire, one of the best liked young officers, was trying
to help Captain Clayes when a rifleball passed through his shoulder...."
(Wilderness War - Allen Eckert)
Warrant No. 2709 for 300 acres of bounty land was issued on account of
service of Elijah Clayes, Captain of the New Hampshire line, War of the
Revolution. Said warrant was issued 12/11/1799, to Dwight Foster, assignee
of Fortunatus Niccholls, assignee of the heir at law. No further data was
on file because of destruction of papers when the War office was burned in
1800. To obtain information in regard to the location of the land grant,
apply to the Commissioner of the General Land Office, citing number of
warrant, acreage, and date of issuance. (Selected Records From Rev. War
Pension Applications)
More About ELIJAH CLOYES:
occupation: carpenter, builder, farmer
More About ABIGAIL PEPPER:
military service: drew a pension for service of Elijah in Revolution
Fact 6: Aft. 1776, moved from Fitzwilliam, N.H. back to Fram. when widowed
Children of ELIJAH CLOYES and ABIGAIL PEPPER are:
2. i. SARAH8 CLOYES, b. January 08, 1763, Framingham, Middlesex Co.,
Massachusetts; d. Aft. 1829.
3. ii. ELIJAH CLOYES, b. December 23, 1764, Framingham, Middlesex Co.,
Massachusetts; d. May 22, 1815, Framingham, Middlesex Co., Massachusetts.
4. iii. BENJAMIN CLOYES, b. March 20, 1767, Framingham, Middlesex Co.,
Massachusetts; d. November 01, 1817, Charlestown, Suffolk Co.,
Massachusetts (or NH?).
iv. ABIGAIL CLOYES, b. August 29, 1769, Framingham, Middlesex Co.,
Massachusetts; d. September 16, 1790, Framingham Middlesex Co.,
Massachusetts.
5. v. JOSEPH CLOYES, b. September 10, 1771, Fitzwilliam, Cheshire Co., New
Hampshire; d. 1799, Shrewsbury, Worcester Co., Massachusetts.
vi. NATHAN CLOYES, b. October 17, 1773, Fitzwilliam, Cheshire Co., New
Hampshire; d. Bef. 1829, no children. Seamen
6. vii. BETSY CLOYES, b. November 15, 1775, Fitzwilliam, Cheshire Co., New
Hampshire; d. August 04, 1862, Oppenhiem, Fulton Co., New York.
Generation No. 2
2. SARAH8 CLOYES (ELIJAH7, JAMES6, JAMES5, PETER4, JOHN3, PETER2, PETER1)
was born January 08, 1763 in Framingham, Middlesex Co., Massachusetts, and
died Aft. 1829. She married FORTUNATUS NICHOLS September 1783 in
Framingham Middlesex Co., Massachusetts, son of JOSPEH NICHOLS and JUDITH
MIXER.
Child of SARAH CLOYES and FORTUNATUS NICHOLS is:
i. FORTUNATUS9 NICHOLS, d. Aft. 1829, of Weston, Worcester Co.,
Massachusetts.
3. ELIJAH8 CLOYES (ELIJAH7, JAMES6, JAMES5, PETER4, JOHN3, PETER2, PETER1)
was born December 23, 1764 in Framingham, Middlesex Co., Massachusetts, and
died May 22, 1815 in Framingham, Middlesex Co., Massachusetts. He married
LAVINIA HEMENWAY February 26, 1790 in Framingham, Middlesex Co.,
Massachusetts, daughter of EBENEZER HEMENWAY and BATHSHEBA.
More About ELIJAH CLOYES:
military service: War of 1812
Children of ELIJAH CLOYES and LAVINIA HEMENWAY are: i. NATHAN9 CLOYES, d.
Aft. 1829.
ii. ABIGAIL CLOYES, b. July 10, 1790, East Sudbury, Massachusetts; d. Aft.
1829; m. JOSEPH NICHOLS, December 17, 1811.
iii. JOSEPH CLOYES, b. April 29, 1792, East Sudbury, Middlesex Co.,
Massachusetts; d. Aft. 1829.
iv. CLARISSA CLOYES, b. May 18, 1794, East Sudbury, Massachusetts; d. Aft.
1829, of Thompson, Windham Co., Connecticut; m. (1) PORTER; m. (2) THOMAS
B. HAVEN, November 1815, Massachusetts.
v. GARDINER CLOYES, b. June 29, 1796, East Sudbury,
Middlesex Co., Massachusetts; d. Aft. 1812, of Thompson, Windham Co.,
Connecticut.
vi. MARIA CLOYES, b. March 31, 1799, Hopkinton, Middlesex
Co., Massachusetts; d. Bef. 1829.
vii. CAROLINE CLOYES, b. March 02, 1804, Hopkinton, Middlesex Co.,
Massachusetts; d. Bef. 1829.
viii. ELIJAH CLOYES, b. Abt. February 1807, Holliston, Middlesex Co.,
Massachusetts; d. June 08, 1807, Holliston, Middlesex Co., Massachusetts.
ix. SAMUEL CLOYES, b. February 10, 1807, Holliston, Middlesex Co.,
Massachusetts; d. Bef. 1829.
x. SARAH N. CLOYES, b. March 23, 1809, Holliston, Middlesex Co.,
Massachusetts; d. Aft. 1829.
4. BENJAMIN8 CLOYES (ELIJAH7, JAMES6, JAMES5, PETER4, JOHN3, PETER2,
PETER1) was born March 20, 1767 in Framingham, Middlesex Co.,
Massachusetts, and died November 01, 1817 in Charlestown, Suffolk Co.,
Massachusetts (or NH?). He married (1) ESTHER LARRABEE. He married (2)
ESTHER PRATT August 21, 1797 in Dudley, Worcester Co., Massachusetts,
daughter of HENRY PRATT and ELIZABETH MURDOCK.
More About BENJAMIN CLOYES:
Fact 6: 10 sons
Children of BENJAMIN CLOYES and ESTHER PRATT are:
i. GILMAN9 CLOYES, d. Aft. 1829.
ii. NATHAN CLOYES, b. November 04, 1790, Charlestown, Sullivan Co., New
Hampshire.
iii. SYLVESTER CLOYES, b. June 20, 1793, Dudley, Worcester Co.,
Massachusetts; d. January 27, 1827, Wrentham, Massachusetts - aged 33 yrs..
iv. HENRY CLOYES, b. July 29, 1798, Charlestown, Sullivan Co., New Hampshire.
v. BENJAMIN FRANKLIN CLOYES, b. March 29, 1800, Charlestown, Sullivan Co.,
New Hampshire; d. February 23, 1869; m. SARAH BIRD, WFT Est. 1831-1858.
vi. CHANCY CLOYES, b. February 22, 1802, Charlestown, Sullivan Co., New
Hampshire.
5. JOSEPH8 CLOYES (ELIJAH7, JAMES6, JAMES5, PETER4, JOHN3, PETER2, PETER1)
was born September 10, 1771 in Fitzwilliam, Cheshire Co., New Hampshire,
and died 1799 in Shrewsbury, Worcester Co., Massachusetts. He married
EUNICE HOWE September 24, 1797, daughter of GIDEON HOWE.
Children of JOSEPH CLOYES and EUNICE HOWE are:
i. GIDEON HOWE9 CLOYES.
ii. CLOYES.
iii. ELIJAH CLOYES.
6. BETSY8 CLOYES (ELIJAH7, JAMES6, JAMES5, PETER4, JOHN3, PETER2, PETER1)
was born November 15, 1775 in Fitzwilliam, Cheshire Co., New Hampshire, and
died August 04, 1862 in Oppenhiem, Fulton Co., New York. She married DAVID
HARTLEY PHIPPS March 20, 1794 in Dudley, Worcester Co., Massachusetts, son
of JASON PHIPPS and REBECCA FAIRBANKS.
Child of BETSY CLOYES and DAVID PHIPPS is:
i. ABI ALBUM9 PHIPPS, b. 1810; d. 1896; m. M. GENA PARKHILL. (This is
my ancestor.)
Stephanie Walker asked the list about the 3 wives of John CLOYES:
I have never seen a surname given for either wife #1 Abigail, nor wife #2 Jane.
I, too, am inclined to discount the additional references to SPARWELL or
SPURWELL as a confusion with wife #3 Julian, who was the widow of Christoper
SPURWELL.
The Gen. Dict. of ME and NH, by Libby, Noyes, & Davis makes two references to
Julian SPURWELL CLOYES that I have found. On p152 under CLOYES it reads
that Julian in 1675 was in court for "receiving stolen goods from her
daughter Sarah SPURWELL in Boston, where she (Julian) retired after her
husband's death."
On pg 653 under Christopher SPURWELL (or SPURRELL), they add:
His "widow Julian married 2nd John CLOYES (1). She was abt 53
in June 1673."
Of Julian's daughter Sarah, it says:
She "in 1675 had stolen goods from George PEARSON of Boston, and
brought them to the Falmouth home of her mother, who sent part of
them to another."
Another one of Julian's children by her first marriage, Timothy SPURWELL, had
land from John CLOYES before 30 june 1675, per York Deeds 2:174.
As for any children from the marriage of John CLOYES and Mrs. Julian SPURWELL,
the only reference I have found is, again, from the Gen. Dict. ME/NH (p152)
where it says:
A "Julian CLOYES 'Junior' was plaintiff with John [CLOYES] Sr. vs
[Francis] NEALE in 1671, a questionable record."
Evidentally the authors felt there was some reason to suspect that Julian-the-
wife might be intended here, rather than a daughter, or that the record was in
some other way suspect as a source.
Regarding the "late first marriage" of John CLOYES, I raise two questions:
1. Are we certain that the 1604 reference in the chr registers of
St. Nicholas parish, Colchester refers to **our** John CLOYES?
2. Do we know for certain that John and Abigail did not marry in
England before his arrival "abt 1634" [per "Caleb KIMBALL 1 to
Caleb KIMBALL 8: 8 Generations of Kimballs in one homestead" by
James L. Kimball] in Massachusetts? If they in fact married
bef emigrating, there might be children born (and died as infants)
in England we do not know about. Until we definitely know **when**
they did marry, it's difficult to say he was 'unusually old' at
his marriage...
Just something to consider.... :>
--Carolyn Depp
[cdepp(a)interpac.net]
Hi William,
Thanks for joining in.
I checked my database and found Henry C. Cloyes, but didn't fing you. I'd be
interested in seeing where you are in this puzzle.
Tom
At 09:28 AM 8/26/97 -0700, William L. Harvey wrote:
>Good Morning all;
>
>Pleased to see this list formed, Tom; good show!
>
>I am descended from Henry C. CLOYES, b. 25 Dec. 1823; parents were
>James(4) CLOYES and Penelope NICHOLS m. 7 May 1808, Christian Co, KY.
>
>I have a dob for Penelope of 27 Aug 1791 "of NC" and a dod as 23 Feb.
>1870, Obion Co., TN.(Thanks to Hugh Cloyes) I also have found a vague
>reference that Nathaniel NICHOLS may be her father.
>
>My question is whether there is someone of this line who has more
>definite information on Penelope NICHOLS and her ancestry/siblings?
>
>Thanks very much,
>
>Bill Harvey
>wlh(a)foothill.net
>
>Colfax,(Northern) California
>
>
>
"You exceed your rights when you urge that laws be made
in the shape of your conscience to block the pleasures
permitted by mine. When you people prevail, you commit
a crime against freedom, and that is the greatest
immorality I know." -Vance Bourjaily, Country Matters
(no date avail). Thanks to:Mark Johnson (onethumb(a)why.net)
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the
rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of
ignorance that tyranny begins." Benjamin Franklin
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
liberties than standing armies."
--Thomas Jefferson (Thanks to Pat Fosness)
Good Morning all;
Pleased to see this list formed, Tom; good show!
I am descended from Henry C. CLOYES, b. 25 Dec. 1823; parents were
James(4) CLOYES and Penelope NICHOLS m. 7 May 1808, Christian Co, KY.
I have a dob for Penelope of 27 Aug 1791 "of NC" and a dod as 23 Feb.
1870, Obion Co., TN.(Thanks to Hugh Cloyes) I also have found a vague
reference that Nathaniel NICHOLS may be her father.
My question is whether there is someone of this line who has more
definite information on Penelope NICHOLS and her ancestry/siblings?
Thanks very much,
Bill Harvey
wlh(a)foothill.net
Colfax,(Northern) California
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Hi Carolyn!
Good to hear from you.
In answer to your question,
What is the documentation/source for his son John CLOYES (4) being married
first
to a Mary LONG?
The source for this information is James Savage's, "A Genealogical
Dictionary of the First Settlers of New England Showing Three Generations
of Those Who Came Before 1692 on the Basis of Farmer's Register" Published
by Little, Brown and Co. in Boston 1860. I use this source often, and
generally find it fairly accurate. This info appears in Volume 1 on page
412.
I also have a photocopy that was sent to me by a Cloyes researcher who is
no longer keeping up with genealogy, that is written by Winifred Lovering
Holman and is called "Cloice Report". It looks like a typewritten personal
genealogy, but appears to be well researched. She quotes, "He (John)
married first according to Wyman in Charlestown, 1664, Mary Long, probably
a connection of the Robert Long family It is certain that he married
possibly as a second wife, in Wells, before 1676, Elizabeth Mills, the
daughter of Thomas Mills of Berwick, Maine." I don't have any idea who
Wyman is, does anyone else? The Robert Long family was of Newbury, MA, and
interstingly, I have him marrying Mary/Elizabeth Mills at Newbury in 1681.
Unfortunately, I have no source on this - I believe the information came to
me in a file that I merged into mine, and had no source recorded there.
If these marriage dates are accurate, then the children Dorothy, Isaac,
Elizabeth, and Abigail would be Mary Long's. I have no birthdate on
daughter Mary, but suspect she would be Mary Long's as well, particularly
if the second wife is Elizabeth.
However, I also have this piece of information that confuses the issue
somewhat;
On 2/23/1673; "I John Cloyce....of Wells.... Confirme unto John Manning of
the aforesaid Town....Six Acres of fresh meadow...at....Totnucke
In....Wells...." He signs with his mark. Acknowledged 1/26/1676 when
"Elizabeth his wife" released her dower rights. Witnesses: Jonathan
Hamonds, _____Littlefield. (York Deeds 3:11; Cloice Report of Winifred
Lovering Holman)
This would put their marriage date much earlier, and make her mother the to
at least some of the children if this is in fact THIS John, and THIS
Elizabeth (Is there another?).
When Thomas Mills (father of Elizabeth/Mary) wrote his will in 1681 he
called John Cloyes his 'beloved son in law".
There is a Genealogy of the Cloyes and Mills Family out there, has anyone
seen it?
Not sure whether I helped or confused you more - but it least you now know
where the info came from. I haven't really spent any time trying to sort
it out. Wish there was a better way to confirm it.
Anyone else have insight into this?
Stephanie
>
>
>
I appreciated the detailed summary of the family of John/Abigail CLOYES posted
by Stephanie Walker recently. I do have one question:
What is the documentation/source for his son John CLOYES (4) being married first
to a Mary LONG? Gen Dict. NE/NH by Libby, Noyes & Davis doesn't mention her
and this is the first reference to a wife other than Mary MILLS which I have
seen. [The "Wadleigh Chronicle" by Donald E. Wadleigh on known descendants of
John/Mary WADLEIGH, grandparents of Mary MILLS, doesn't mention the LONG
marriage either]. If this is an accurate linkage, which "Mary" then was the
mother of John CLOYES' children?
Don't mean to question anyone's scholarship <g>, just hate to add new info
to my own database with no idea where it came from...
Thanks for the verification!~
--Carolyn Depp
[cdepp(a)interpac.net]
Went to the Family History Center yesterday, and it was pretty much a bust.
Was looking for info on my paternal grandmother, and didn't find a thing.
Even though the people working there tried their best to help, there was
just nothing to be found on the Dagwell line.
Just got done doing a major update on my page on Family Tree Maker, and like
it much better than the old one. Stop by and take a look, and let me know
whether or not you like it, and any changes that should be made.
Thanks,
Tom
"You exceed your rights when you urge that laws be made
in the shape of your conscience to block the pleasures
permitted by mine. When you people prevail, you commit
a crime against freedom, and that is the greatest
immorality I know." -Vance Bourjaily, Country Matters
(no date avail). Thanks to:Mark Johnson (onethumb(a)why.net)
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the
rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of
ignorance that tyranny begins." Benjamin Franklin
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
liberties than standing armies."
--Thomas Jefferson (Thanks to Pat Fosness)
Stephanie,
You'll probably receive 2 copies if this, so don't be alarmed. I testing the
"reply to all" feature of Eudora, and it looks like it's going to work, but
with the extra posting to the author. It may be better if in replying to the
list, you "forward" the reply instead of "reply to all". I'll try it out on
the next post, and see what happens.
Back to the topic at hand, I'm going to a family history center tomorrow,
and hope I can get some useful information. I printed out a copy of the book
that ver.4.0 of Family Tree Maker was capable of, and it has everything of
relevance to the Cloyes tree. Will post my success, or failure afterwards.
Regards,
Tom
"You exceed your rights when you urge that laws be made
in the shape of your conscience to block the pleasures
permitted by mine. When you people prevail, you commit
a crime against freedom, and that is the greatest
immorality I know." -Vance Bourjaily, Country Matters
(no date avail). Thanks to:Mark Johnson (onethumb(a)why.net)
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the
rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of
ignorance that tyranny begins." Benjamin Franklin
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
liberties than standing armies."
--Thomas Jefferson (Thanks to Pat Fosness)
Tom -
You asked about the author of Cavaliers and Pioneers. Unfortunately that
information was not sent to me, and I haven't yet looked for the book.
Sounds interesting though.
Anybody have good reliable information on the wives of John Cloyes the
immigrant ancestor? Any vital record dates, births, marriages, deaths?
I have Abigail as the first wife. Her surname has variously been recorded
as Sparwell. I also have seen Abigail's name recorded as Mourning in a
gedcom file, and as Miles in a Cloyes genealogy.
I have seen the surname for 2nd wife, Jane/Sarah as Sparwell as well. And
the 3rd wife I have is Julian, wife of Christopher Sparwell/Spurwell.
Could they all have been related or is this the error I believe it to be?
As for children;
1st wife; John, Peter, Nathaniel, Abigail, Sarah, Hannah
2nd wife; Thomas, Mary, Martha
3nd wife; Julian possibly? According to a Cloyes genealogy. Anybody have
anything different?
Does it seem odd to anyone else that the John Cloyes born abt 1604 didn't
have any children until beginning in 1638 when the first son that I know
of, John was born?
Although it was not uncommon for man to marry at a late age in the 1600's,
waiting until over 30 was a little unusual. Is it possible that a
generation or a first marriage has been skipped?
Stephanie
Also researching;
ADAMS (MA), BANCROFT (MA), BARKER (MA), BIGELOW (MA), BLYTHE (MA), BOICE
(NY), BULL (MA), CANTINE (NY), CLAYES/CLOYES (ME, MA, NY), CRISPELL (NY),
CUPPERNALL (NY), ELWYN (MA), FAIRBANKS(MA, CT, NY), FOSDICK )MA), FREEMAN
(MA), FRENCH (MA), GENT (ME, MA), GILMAN (MA), GLEASON (MA, NY), HOLDEN
(MA), JENNISON (MA), JOHNSON (MA), KENDALL (MA), LEARNED (MA),
LITTLEFIELD(ME, MA), LONGYEAR (NY), MESSINGER (MA, NY), METCALF (MA), PAGE
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WATSON (MA)
Since I am new to listownership, I have much to learn, and this is the first
one!
When you want to reply to a posting, just hitting "reply" will send your
reply to the author and not the list. If your intention is to send it to the
list, follow your mail programs instructions for "replying to all". With
Eudora you hold the shift down while clicking on the reply button in order
to reply to all(the list in this case).
Found this out the hard way when I replied to Stephanie's post this morning.
Hope this is a little clearer than mud,
Tom
"You exceed your rights when you urge that laws be made
in the shape of your conscience to block the pleasures
permitted by mine. When you people prevail, you commit
a crime against freedom, and that is the greatest
immorality I know." -Vance Bourjaily, Country Matters
(no date avail). Thanks to:Mark Johnson (onethumb(a)why.net)
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the
rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of
ignorance that tyranny begins." Benjamin Franklin
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
liberties than standing armies."
--Thomas Jefferson (Thanks to Pat Fosness)
At 12:04 AM 8/21/97 -0400, you wrote:
>Hi all! And welcome!! Lets have some fun with this.
>Don't want to post anything this time, but I did want to add something to
>Tom's message about sending GEDCOM files to the list. It probably also is
>not a good idea to send attachments to the list, not everyone has the
>capablility of accepting them, and it can really mess things up if you don't.
>I just thought of something I do want to say/ask of you all.
>Has anyone done any research on a John Cloyes that landed in Virginia in
>the early 1600's?
>Here is a quote I got from a Cloyes researcher who is no longer looking and
>unfortunatley is not interested in subscribing to the list.
>"If you get to the Richmond state library there is some Cloyes
>information in "Cavaliers and Pioneers". There is a John Cloyes listed
>in 1635. Our progenitor appeared in Watertown MA in 1636. I have often
>wondered if they are one and the same."
>I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were the same person. Interesting
>isn't it?
>
>
>
Stephanie,
I don't know if they are the same. Going to try to get the book and find out.
Who is the author?
Tom
"You exceed your rights when you urge that laws be made
in the shape of your conscience to block the pleasures
permitted by mine. When you people prevail, you commit
a crime against freedom, and that is the greatest
immorality I know." -Vance Bourjaily, Country Matters
(no date avail). Thanks to:Mark Johnson (onethumb(a)why.net)
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the
rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of
ignorance that tyranny begins." Benjamin Franklin
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
liberties than standing armies."
--Thomas Jefferson (Thanks to Pat Fosness)
Hi all! And welcome!! Lets have some fun with this.
Don't want to post anything this time, but I did want to add something to
Tom's message about sending GEDCOM files to the list. It probably also is
not a good idea to send attachments to the list, not everyone has the
capablility of accepting them, and it can really mess things up if you don't.
I just thought of something I do want to say/ask of you all.
Has anyone done any research on a John Cloyes that landed in Virginia in
the early 1600's?
Here is a quote I got from a Cloyes researcher who is no longer looking and
unfortunatley is not interested in subscribing to the list.
"If you get to the Richmond state library there is some Cloyes
information in "Cavaliers and Pioneers". There is a John Cloyes listed
in 1635. Our progenitor appeared in Watertown MA in 1636. I have often
wondered if they are one and the same."
I wouldn't be at all surprised if they were the same person. Interesting
isn't it?
Everybody,
By now you should have received the initial welcome message, and since noone
has responded to my last letter about s*bscribing everyone to it, I took the
liberty of s*bscribing all that were on my list. Now that it's up, let's
have some fun, and keep in touch. This maillist is being listed around the
web, so we should see an upsurge in membership over the next few months. If
you have any problems with the list, contact me, as I am the listowner, and
I will take care of them.
One thing that I would like to ask, and that is that you refrain from
sending your GEDCOM files to this list. This can get messy, and might even
make some leave. Besides, the list has a limited posting size, so anything
over that size will be truncated. With all the work that goes into these
files, it would be a shame to have that happen. If you want to send them,
post a request to the list, and then send them by private email to those who
want them.
This is a public list, so please watch what you post. Any flames are to be
taken to private email. Those who abuse this list will be removed, and
barred from posting again. I don't want to have to do that, so let's keep it
friendly, and let everyone have fun with it.
Enjoy,
Tom
"You exceed your rights when you urge that laws be made
in the shape of your conscience to block the pleasures
permitted by mine. When you people prevail, you commit
a crime against freedom, and that is the greatest
immorality I know." -Vance Bourjaily, Country Matters
(no date avail). Thanks to:Mark Johnson (onethumb(a)why.net)
"A nation of well informed men who have been taught to know and prize the
rights which God has given them cannot be enslaved. It is in the region of
ignorance that tyranny begins." Benjamin Franklin
"I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our
liberties than standing armies."
--Thomas Jefferson (Thanks to Pat Fosness)