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>From: "Rhett R. Owings" <georgeo(a)EARTHLINK.NET>
>Subject: [NORTHEAST] ;>) The Addicted Genealogist
>To: NORTHEAST-ROOTS-L(a)LISTSERV.INDIANA.EDU
>
>Another funny sent to me by a cousin.
>Sounds like me. You too?
>Rhett
>=================================================
>YOU KNOW YOU'RE AN ADDICTED GENEALOGIST
>...when you brake for libraries.
>...if you get locked in a library overnight and you never even notice.
>...when you hyperventilate at the sight of an old cemetery.
>...if you'd rather browse in a cemetery than a shopping mall.
>...when you think every home should have a microfilm reader.
>...if you'd rather read census schedules than a good book.
>...when you know every town clerk in your state by name.
>...if town clerks lock the doors when they see you coming.
>...when you're more interested in what happened in 1697 than 1997.
>...if you store your clothes under the bed and your closet is carefully
>stacked with notebooks and journals.
>...when Stewart, Taylor, and Rose are household names, but you can't
>remember what you call your dog.
>...if you can pinpoint Harrietsham, Hawkhurst, and Kent on a map of
>England, but can't locate Topeka, Kansas.
>
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> List problems?
> Check
> your WELCOME message FIRST
> http://php.indiana.edu/~stephenl/genealog.htm#common SECOND
> then contact stephenL(a)indiana.edu
> (Not being unfriendly - just swamped with mail.)
>
>
>
Stephanie
Shenandoah Valley, VA
walkers(a)rica.net
Currently most interested in adding to these databases;
CLAYES/CLOYES(ME, MA, NY), CUPPERNALL(NY), FAIRBANKS(MA, CT, NY), GENT(ME,
MA), GLEASON(MA, NY), LITTLEFIELD(ME, MA), MESSINGER(NY), PARKHILL(IRE, MA,
VT, NY), PEPPER(MA, CT, NY), PERRY(MA), PHIPPS(ENG, ME, MA, CT, NY),
STONE(MA), THOMPSON(MA, VT, NY), TOW
NE(ME, MA, CT), UNDERWOOD(MA), WALKER(MA, NY), WATSON(MA)
Other names of interest;
ADAMS(MA), BANCROFT(MA), BARKER(MA), BIGELOW(MA), BLYTHE(MA), BOICE(NY),
CANTINE(NY), CRISPELL(NY), ELWYN(MA), FOSDICK(MA), FREEMAN(MA), FRENCH(MA),
GILMAN(MA), HOLDEN(MA), JENNISON(MA), JOHNSON(MA), KENDALL(MA),
LEARNED(MA), LONGYEAR(NY), METCALF(MA), PAG
E(MA), POOLE(MA), PRATT(MA), REED(MA), RICHARDSON(MA), SMITH(MA, NY),
STEARNS(MA), SYMONDS(MA), TIDD(MA), WARREN(MA)
"For love is ever the beginning of knowledge, as fire is of light."
Since we have roots in France, I thought this was particularly relevant.
Tom
>Resent-Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 06:36:35 -0800 (PST)
>Comments: Authenticated sender is <alittle(a)ilink.nis.za>
>From: "Alan Littlefield" <alittle(a)ilink.nis.za>
>Organization: 1 wife, 1 girl, 1 dog, 4 birds & house bond
>To: SOUTH-AFRICA-L(a)rootsweb.com, littlefield-roots-l(a)rootsweb.com
>Date: Sun, 30 Nov 1997 16:50:33 GMT+2
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>Date: Sat, 29 Nov 1997 22:13:13 +0100
>From: Paul-Marc HEUDRE <heudre(a)club-internet.fr>
>Subject: ----> A new service on the WWW
>
>Bonjour de France, Hello from France,
>
>I am pleased to announce you a new service on the World Wide Web : the
>Internet Genealogical Directory.
>
>It is an online index of thousands of genealogy-related Web pages with
>the capability for you to add your own Web page or any other Web page
>that you think is relevant. The listings are broken into many
>categories.
>
>The pages indexed are from all over the world. To look at the Internet
>Genealogical Directory in French, set your Web browser to :
>http://www.chez.com/agi/intro.htm. The English version is available
>at: http://www.chez.com/agi/intro2.htm
>
>If you have created some good genealogy web-pages, it is now time to
>have your site indexed for the benefit of everyone sharing the same
>passion.
>
>Thanks a lot ! - Best regards - Paul-Marc
>--
>--------====== Mes ressources ======---------
>
> Recherches généalogiques en France
> http://members.aol.com/Heudre
> Annuaire Généalogique Internet
> http://www.chez.com/agi/intro.htm
>
> ----==== Mes bases de données ====----
>
> La généalogie du village d'Epinoy
> http://www.chez.com/epinoy/genealog.htm
> La généalogie du village d'Haverskerque
>http://www.chez.com/haverskerque/genealog.htm
>
>--------============================---------
>
>______________________________
>Alan
>Researching LITTLEFIELD around 1565 in Hampshire, UK
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>Alan Littlefield
>PO Box 211, Edgemead, Cape Town, South Africa, 7407
>Fax : +27-21-7874619 Pager : +27-21-468-5050 Code 17031
>Home Page : http://www.nis.za/~alittle/lfield.htm
>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
>
>
At 09:57 AM 11/29/97 -0600, William A. Longman wrote:
>
>
>Tom...
>
>To answer a few questions...
>>
snippage of stuff to work on.
>
>> >A couple of questions. Where does the material about Colchester fit in
>> >that comes before the actual preface?
>>
>> Not sure what you mean here. Please clarify.
>
>What I mean is this: on the attached material, before the title Cloyes
>and Dagwell Family Genealogies and Preface, there is background
>information which begins like this..."By the end of the 15th century there
>were eight churches inside the city walls....." This about a page long
>and I'm wondering if it got misplaced or is it an introduction to the
>whole thing.
Sounds like it was misplaced somehow. That particular passage should come
right after "One of the oldest churches, Holy Trinity mentioned in the
Domesday Book, is standing today and is remarkably well preserved."
Might have gotten corrupted in transfer, but don't know how that happened.
Hope this helps,
Tom
A note to you, Stephanie...
> >
>
> I agree with both sentiments! Can't believe how much history and geography
> I've learned. People are often amazed when they mention a town or city in
> New England and I can tell them all kinds of thing about it. Same way with
> colonial history. Make it so much more interesting, and easier to
> understand and find clues when you have knowledge of the everyday events etc.
Not only that, but as we have uncovered a number of ancestral links in
the UK and France and elswhere, it has perked up our interest in
lots of places. This heightened our UK trip a year ago May, even
locating several places connected with families.
>
> >A Cloyes
> >researcher, Stephanie Walker, has questioned Mehitable as also being
> >one of the children. But another, Patsy Putnam, has her listed but not
> >others. I once suggested they compare notes but don't know if
> >this ever happened.....
I'll contact Patsy sometime.
> I would love to know more about the French town, and their origins
> there. Does anyone speak enough French to compose a letter?
No, but I have a son who is fluent in French, teaching at Vassar College,
and a son-in-law who is French Canadian teaching at York Un., Toronto.
Let me know and I might get some help.
Address: 2105 S. Valleyroad Ave. Springfield, Mo 65804
> I have recently purchased the 3 volume set of Maine Province Records. It
> covers the period when our Cloyes were in Maine. Some interesting stuff
> about court cases etc. Haven't come close to transcribing any of it but
> sooner or later...
Hey, I might ask you to look up somebody...talk with you later.
>
> Other names of interest;
We need to discuss PERRY for one...I have ancestry back to two daugh. of
Capt. John b. 1682, son of Obadiah & Esther (Hassell) Perry of Dunstable.
Also is your Adams the Wm. line or another like Henry?
Bill Longman member Ozarks Genealogical Society
Tom...
To answer a few questions...
>
> This Thomas, I have him married to Susannah Lewis, and having 6 children.
> Which way does your branch go from there?
Lee is descended from Mary Cloyse b. 6 May 1677 who m. 19 Dec 1704 Daniel
Waters b. 29 Mar 1682, and their daugh. Mary b. 27 Oct 1711 who m. 1729
Joseph Moffatt b. 11 Jul 1703, and their daugh. Mary b. 29 Aug 1732 who
m. 13 Mar 1754 Josiah Holbrook b. 17 Jan 1714 (his 2nd wife), whose
son David b. 30 Jul 1760 served in the Revolutionary War.
The above Joseph Moffatt was son of Wm. & Mehitable (Cloyes?) Moffatt,
and it is this Mehitable that is under examination.
> >A couple of questions. Where does the material about Colchester fit in
> >that comes before the actual preface?
>
> Not sure what you mean here. Please clarify.
What I mean is this: on the attached material, before the title Cloyes
and Dagwell Family Genealogies and Preface, there is background
information which begins like this..."By the end of the 15th century there
were eight churches inside the city walls....." This about a page long
and I'm wondering if it got misplaced or is it an introduction to the
whole thing.
> > Do you feel that information about
> >the family's Flemish origins, immigration, and cloth trade is authentic?
>
> From what I've been able to understand from working with this book, the
> likelyhood that her information is accurate seems rather high.....
It does seem like a strong possibility...and thanks again!
Bill Longman member Ozarks Genealogical Society
Major names being researched: Adams, Bachelor, Barker, Bartholomew,
Beacham, Bishop, Black, Bosworth, Brown, Brundage, Bunker, Chapin, Claes,
Cloyes, Connelly, Cook, Coolidge, Denison, Dickinson, Dudley, Dummer,
Eaton, Eden, Eggleston, Emery, Fordham, Fowler, Gay, Glover, Godfrey,
Goodridge, Grantham, Green, Griffin, Grumman, Gutterson, Hassell,
Hazeltine, Hepburn, Herrick, Hobson, Holbrook, Howell, Hubbard, Jans,
Jaques, Johnson, Keeler, Kimball, Kingman, Knight, Lewis, Lockwood,
Longman, Lum, Lyon, Marshall, Major, Masters, McNeal, Mead, Millington,
Moffatt, Morehouse, Morrison, Norman, Owens, Page, Parke, Pemberton,
Penny, Phillips, Pierson, Potter, Preston, Purdy, Raynor, Reed, Robinson,
Russell, Sawyer, Schlawe, Scott, Secor, Sewall, Shatswell, Short, Smith,
Starr, Starzinger, Terrier, Thomas, Thompson, Turner, Try, Waters,
Webster, Wells, Wheeler, Wood, Woodman
Linda Sue,
I had that she died June 15, 1704, but see that that should have been her
marriage date.
Thanks for the correction,
Tom
At 03:06 AM 11/27/97 -0600, Linda Sue Cox Wildes wrote:
>
>
>----------
>From: Linda Sue Cox Wildes[SMTP:genwildes@globaldialog.com]
>Sent: Sunday, November 16, 1997 9:52 AM
>To: 'CLOYES-L(a)rootsweb.com'
>Subject: Cloyes Susanna
>
>need death date for Susanna Cloyes born 1685 Charlestown,
>
>Suffolk co, MA. married Caleb Kimball 15 JUne 1704 Wells,
>
>ME. and any other info on her father Nathaniel and mother
>
>Sarah Mills.
>
>Thanks much Linda Sue genwildes(a)globaldialog.com
>
>
>
----------
From: Linda Sue Cox Wildes[SMTP:genwildes@globaldialog.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 1997 9:52 AM
To: 'CLOYES-L(a)rootsweb.com'
Subject: Cloyes Susanna
need death date for Susanna Cloyes born 1685 Charlestown,
Suffolk co, MA. married Caleb Kimball 15 JUne 1704 Wells,
ME. and any other info on her father Nathaniel and mother
Sarah Mills.
Thanks much Linda Sue genwildes(a)globaldialog.com
Still trying to locate parents of Josiah W. Cloyes, born July 6, 1810 in
Paris, N.Y. Married Cynthia Bostwick, born March 4, 1812 in Brookfield,
Conn...
Married Sept. 21, 1836 in Kingston, Frontenac, Ontario. Their children
were Mary Louisa, Charles Edward, Francis William, James Russell and Jose
Emerson. Mary Louisa married Sidney Hand in Detroit in 1864. Son Harry
was born Jan. 24, 1866. Todate unable to locate anyone related to names
mentioned
Bev Thomas
----------
From: Linda Sue Cox Wildes[SMTP:genwildes@globaldialog.com]
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 1997 9:52 AM
To: 'CLOYES-L(a)rootsweb.com'
Subject: Cloyes Susanna
need death date for Susanna Cloyes born 1685 Charlestown,
Suffolk co, MA. married Caleb Kimball 15 JUne 1704 Wells,
ME. and any other info on her father Nathaniel and mother
Sarah Mills.
Thanks much Linda Sue genwildes(a)globaldialog.com
At 10:51 AM 11/25/97 -0600, William A. Longman wrote:
>
>Hey Tom, thanks for sending the file of The Cloyes and Dagwell
>Genealogies, by Mrs. F. H. Obetz! Finally I've printed it out and
>did find it quite interesting. Of particular interest to me is the
>early part about how the Claes/Cloyes family came to Colchester from
>Flanders and were cloth and tapestry artisans. I love history which
>means that genealogy to me is much more than just vital statistics about
>ancestors.
>
You're quite welcome! I, too, am finding that history is an integral part
of any genealogical investigation, and the results are well worth any
effort put into it. My understanding of events that I mostly slept through
in school have come alive through this research.
>Others will also enjoy the parts about the witch trials, but this is
>another line of the family than my wife's which branches off with Thomas,
>son of John & Abigail, rather than Peter 3rd which takes you to Salem.
>
This Thomas, I have him married to Susannah Lewis, and having 6 children.
Which way does your branch go from there?
>A couple of questions. Where does the material about Colchester fit in
>that comes before the actual preface?
Not sure what you mean here. Please clarify.
> Do you feel that information about
>the family's Flemish origins, immigration, and cloth trade is authentic?
>
From what I've been able to understand from working with this book, the
likelyhood that her information is accurate seems rather high. I had very
little information about Peter Cloyse b.1539 until I found this book. We
have speculated that the Cloyes name was of French origin, but thought that
we left France at an earlier time. Since my family has claimed French blood
long before this book was completed, my opinion is that it is as factual as
we're likely to find. I could be wrong, though.
>Thanks, for your forwarding of the book.
>
>Bill member Ozarks Genealogical Society
>
Tom
Going to add my 2 cents as well.
>At 10:51 AM 11/25/97 -0600, William A. Longman wrote:
>>
>>Hey Tom, thanks for sending the file of The Cloyes and Dagwell
>>Genealogies, by Mrs. F. H. Obetz! Finally I've printed it out and
>>did find it quite interesting. Of particular interest to me is the
>>early part about how the Claes/Cloyes family came to Colchester from
>>Flanders and were cloth and tapestry artisans. I love history which
>>means that genealogy to me is much more than just vital statistics about
>>ancestors.
>>
>
>You're quite welcome! I, too, am finding that history is an integral part
>of any genealogical investigation, and the results are well worth any
>effort put into it. My understanding of events that I mostly slept through
>in school have come alive through this research.
>
I agree with both sentiments! Can't believe how much history and geography
I've learned. People are often amazed when they mention a town or city in
New England and I can tell them all kinds of thing about it. Same way with
colonial history. Make it so much more interesting, and easier to
understand and find clues when you have knowledge of the everyday events etc.
>A Cloyes
>researcher, Stephanie Walker, has questioned Mehitable as also being
>one of the children. But another, Patsy Putnam, has her listed but not
>others. I once suggested they compare notes but don't know if
>this ever happened. Thanks for your attention to this, and I will
>appreciate knowing anything you do find out about this elusive lady.
Yes I have wondered about Mehitable, as she is not found elsewhere, but
that doesn't mean she didn't belong to the family. I recently have 'found'
a grandmother in another line, but can't find a birth recorded for her
along with her siblings - in fact there is a big gap of 9 years between the
recorded births, and her birth should have been during that gap. Still,
she is named as daughter in several genealogies of the family. Luckily, I
find her name in her father's will. Think Patsy and I did talk to each
other, but if I remember - no startling revelations unfortunately.
>> Do you feel that information about
>>the family's Flemish origins, immigration, and cloth trade is authentic?
>>
>
>From what I've been able to understand from working with this book, the
>likelyhood that her information is accurate seems rather high. I had very
>little information about Peter Cloyse b.1539 until I found this book. We
>have speculated that the Cloyes name was of French origin, but thought that
>we left France at an earlier time. Since my family has claimed French blood
>long before this book was completed, my opinion is that it is as factual as
>we're likely to find. I could be wrong, though.
>
I agree with Tom here. Seems likely, even though a couple other things in
the manuscript are off a little. Certainly is plausible, and there are
good sources given. My grandmother told us we had French in us too, but we
didn't know where from. None of my other ancestors are French, so it could
have been this she was speaking of. I would love to know more about the
French town, and their origins there. Does anyone speak enough French to
compose a letter?
I have recently purchased the 3 volume set of Maine Province Records. It
covers the period when our Cloyes were in Maine. Some interesting stuff
about court cases etc. Haven't come close to transcribing any of it but
sooner or later...
Also lists a Cloyes male I have never hear of - can't recall it at the
moment, when I come across it again I will post it. The other interesting
thing is that there are some mentions of a CLAY family - and I find a
number of CLAY descendants later on in Maine records (1700s+) Wonder if
there is a connection here given our name was often spelled Clayes?
Stephanie
Shenandoah Valley, VA
walkers(a)rica.net
Currently most interested in adding to these databases;
CLAYES/CLOYES(ME, MA, NY), CUPPERNALL(NY), FAIRBANKS(MA, CT, NY), GENT(ME,
MA), GLEASON(MA, NY), LITTLEFIELD(ME, MA), MESSINGER(NY), PARKHILL(IRE, MA,
VT, NY), PEPPER(MA, CT, NY), PERRY(MA), PHIPPS(ENG, ME, MA, CT, NY),
STONE(MA), THOMPSON(MA, VT, NY), TOW
NE(ME, MA, CT), UNDERWOOD(MA), WALKER(MA, NY), WATSON(MA)
Other names of interest;
ADAMS(MA), BANCROFT(MA), BARKER(MA), BIGELOW(MA), BLYTHE(MA), BOICE(NY),
CANTINE(NY), CRISPELL(NY), ELWYN(MA), FOSDICK(MA), FREEMAN(MA), FRENCH(MA),
GILMAN(MA), HOLDEN(MA), JENNISON(MA), JOHNSON(MA), KENDALL(MA),
LEARNED(MA), LONGYEAR(NY), METCALF(MA), PAG
E(MA), POOLE(MA), PRATT(MA), REED(MA), RICHARDSON(MA), SMITH(MA, NY),
STEARNS(MA), SYMONDS(MA), TIDD(MA), WARREN(MA)
"For love is ever the beginning of knowledge, as fire is of light."
Hey Tom, thanks for sending the file of The Cloyes and Dagwell
Genealogies, by Mrs. F. H. Obetz! Finally I've printed it out and
did find it quite interesting. Of particular interest to me is the
early part about how the Claes/Cloyes family came to Colchester from
Flanders and were cloth and tapestry artisans. I love history which
means that genealogy to me is much more than just vital statistics about
ancestors.
Others will also enjoy the parts about the witch trials, but this is
another line of the family than my wife's which branches off with Thomas,
son of John & Abigail, rather than Peter 3rd which takes you to Salem.
A couple of questions. Where does the material about Colchester fit in
that comes before the actual preface? Do you feel that information about
the family's Flemish origins, immigration, and cloth trade is authentic?
Thanks, for your forwarding of the book.
Bill member Ozarks Genealogical Society
Cloyes researchers, this is a long post, consisting of conversations about
children of Thomas and Susannah (Lewis) Cloyes, one of whom married a
Waters and another who *may* have married a Moffatt. If this isn't your
line don't bother reading and just delete with apologies for filling up
your mailbox. For certain others, however, please share input!
Bill Longman
---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 1997 10:38:14 -0600 (CST)
From: "William A. Longman" <wlongman(a)mail.orion.org>
To: "Jacobs, Richard" <rjacobs(a)MAIL.VA.GOV>
Subject: Moffatts & Cloyes
Hello, Richard, from the Ozarks!
Thanks very much for doing the searching at FHC and sending the
info. Not sure what I will do with it. Is it the same as I could get
here from I.G.I. file which we have in our genealogical society library?
We also have a FHC in Springfield, but it means sending away for files I
think...havn't used it much yet. The first time I did the family file
was absoutely wrong on a surname I was sure about. I realize that LDS
accepts whatever anyone submits.
And thanks also for your attempts to discover our Mehitable in FHC files.
Regarding Mehitable let me explain my predicament. It does seem that
Mary is a daughter of Thomas & Susannah (Lewis) Cloyes
along with siblings Thomas, George, Hannah, Thomas Lewis. This is of
course the Mary who was b. 1677 who m. Daniel Waters. A Cloyes
researcher, Stephanie Walker, has questioned Mehitable as also being
one of the children. But another, Patsy Putnam, has her listed but not
others. I once suggested they compare notes but don't know if
this ever happened. Thanks for your attention to this, and I will
appreciate knowing anything you do find out about this elusive lady.
My files show that originally I had research sent by Gary Wm. Morfitt
which read as follows. After talking about Wm. Moffat as 1st
known ancestor in the country he says "The finding of an earlier
Robert Moffatt in Maine and a family of Moffatts in Concord,
Mass., which we cannot trace to our William, makes us feel that
William's father may have come to this country and the Robert may
have been he...On 15 July 1731, William and Mehitable sold to
Phineas Jones, a land speculator, all land or lands 'which we
have or ought to have' in the town of Falmouth, Casco By, etc.
This indicates that they were expecting to inherit land in that
locality, and suggests that the father of one or both of them had
property in Maine which was to be distributed among heirs. It
would seem that they did not wait until the actual distribution
was made, as no particular lands are specified and no boundaries
mentioned. This makes the problem very difficult, as it seems
impossible to trace the land back to its former owner and thus to
learn from whom the inheritance came. But, from a careful story
of manuscripts in the Maine Historical Society, Eva concluded that
there were lands awarded to the heirs of those who lost their
lives in the Indian attack on Falmouth in 1690, and that,
learning that such an award was likely to be made, they sold
their rights to Phineus Jones. (Note by G.G.:This is part of
Eva's argument that Mehitable may have been a daughter of Thomas
Cloyes, one of the victims of the attack. She goes on to show that
other Cloyes heirs also sold their rights to Jones)." There is more but
on another subject which I can quote later. The Eva mentioned is Eva L.
Moffatt, author of "The Ancestors of Nancy Maria Moffatt" publ. 1952.
And the G.G. refers to Geoffrey Gilbert who edited her book.
So there we are. I picked up a copy of a chapter on Moffett from some
papers in the Killingly, CT,Historical Society which reads: "The first of
this branch in this country was William Moffat, who appears first on
records at Newbury, Mass., in 1686. He was married, about 1691, to
Mehitable-----(surname unknown) born in 1674."
I'll try to hold of V.R. for Falmouth sometime.
Let's talk some more!
Bill
On Wed, 19 Nov 1997, Jacobs, Richard wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> Nice to hear from you again. Last night I volunteered at the
> Naperville, Illinois Family History Center from 6 to 9 PM. Actually I
> was there after all the Patrons left until about 10:30 PM. I was
> collecting information off the International Genealogical Index
> pertaining to the Cloyes, Waters, etc. that tie into the William
> Muffit line. I did not come across any Mehitable Cloyes b. 1674 or
> round about there. That does not mean that she doesn't exist,
> it just means that she wasn't in the computer.
> I will be going up there again and will go through the Ancestral File
> and see if she might be in that collection or database. Maybe we'll
> never get her surname. If just had some inkling we could search the
> Probate Records for the will of her father. It might give her married
> name as an heir. I can also check some other things also. One of book
> that I looked at, at the Bluebonnet library in Baton Rouge, Louisiana
> indicated that Mehitable might have been from Falmouth, MA.
> Maybe you all could look in the Vital Records of Falmouth and see if
> you can find Mehitable listed under one of those families. If your
> public library does not have it maybe you could have it ordered
> through interlibrary loan......
P.S. I'm going to post this on the Cloyes list. Someone may have access
to Falmouth v.r.
Thought someone might be interested in this.
Tom
>Resent-Date: Wed, 19 Nov 1997 02:22:33 -0800 (PST)
>Subject: New book on Titchfield
>Date: Wed, 19 Nov 97 10:28:29 +0000
>From: Phil Burner <burner(a)interalpha.co.uk>
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> I live in Titchfield, England and thought members might be interested in
>a new book that has just been published. I went to the launch last night.
>
>The 100 page book is called 'Four Centuries of the Earl of Southampton
>Trust' and has been written by David G Smith.
>
>It deals with the setting up and later administration of the Trust. The
>present day Trust is formed from a number of charities, the first being
>The Charity of Robert Godfrey which was formed in 1597. Another charity
>was added in 1620 by the Earl of Southampton.
>
>The Trust own cottages and land in the village, one group of cottages,
>now known as Barry's Cottages, was the home of Edmund Littlefield.
>
>If anyone has a particular question on Titchfield or wants to see a
>picture of Edmunds old cottage I can send it via the net but should you
>want copies of the book you will need to write to the clerk of the Earl
>of Southampton Trust. He asks that you write to him for details about
>price and post and packing. Perhaps later if there is lots of interest he
>will be able to determine postage costs for various locations, at that
>point I will re-post.
>
>The Clerk is...
>
>Jerry Caldicott
>1, Church Path
>Titchfield
>Hampshire
>PO14 4AA
>England
>
>all the best
>
>Phil Burner
>
>
>
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I would greatly appreciate more information on this line if anyone has it
out there.
Thanks for any help provided.
>Generation No. 1
>
>1. JOSEPH8 CLOYES (ELIJAH7, JAMES6, JAMES5, PETER4, JOHN3, PETER2,
PETER1) (Source: History of Fitzwilliam, New Hampshire, 514.) was born
September 10, 1771 in Fitzwilliam, Cheshire Co., New Hampshire (Source:
(1) Framingham Vital Record, History of Framingham, Massachusetts 1640 -
1880; and died 1799 in Shrewsbury, Worcester Co., Massachusetts (Source:
(1) History of Framingham, Massachusetts 1640 - 1880, (2) Worcester Co.
Probate Index.). He married EUNICE HOWE (Source: History of Fitzwilliam,
New Hampshire, 514.) September 24, 1797 (Source: History of Fitzwilliam,
NH), daughter of GIDEON HOWE.
>
> Children of JOSEPH CLOYES and EUNICE HOWE are:
>2. i. GIDEON HOWE9 CLOYES.
> ii. CLOYES.
>3. iii. ELIJAH CLOYES.
>
>
>Generation No. 2
>
>2. GIDEON HOWE9 CLOYES (JOSEPH8, ELIJAH7, JAMES6, JAMES5, PETER4, JOHN3,
PETER2, PETER1).
>
>Notes for GIDEON HOWE CLOYES:
>8/16/1826; Great grandmother Abigail Healy's will written - "6th I give
to my two grandchildren - the children of Joseph Cloyes the sum of Ten
dollars each - and my will is if my grandchildren aforesaid do not call for
their legacies within five years after my decease, that said legacies or
such part thereof as may not be called for as aforesaid shall be equally
divided between my two daughters above mentioned." (Worcester Co. Probate)
>
> Child of GIDEON HOWE CLOYES is:
> i. GERTRUDE10 CLOYES.
>
>3. ELIJAH9 CLOYES (JOSEPH8, ELIJAH7, JAMES6, JAMES5, PETER4, JOHN3,
PETER2, PETER1).
>
>
> Child of ELIJAH CLOYES is:
> i. MARSHALL10 CLOYES, b. 1826; d. 1915.
>
Stephanie
Shenandoah Valley, VA
walkers(a)rica.net
Currently most interested in adding to these databases;
CLAYES/CLOYES(ME, MA, NY), CUPPERNALL(NY), FAIRBANKS(MA, CT, NY), GENT(ME,
MA), GLEASON(MA, NY), LITTLEFIELD(ME, MA), MESSINGER(NY), PARKHILL(IRE, MA,
VT, NY), PEPPER(MA, CT, NY), PERRY(MA), PHIPPS(ENG, ME, MA, CT, NY),
STONE(MA), THOMPSON(MA, VT, NY), TOW
NE(ME, MA, CT), UNDERWOOD(MA), WALKER(MA, NY), WATSON(MA)
Other names of interest;
ADAMS(MA), BANCROFT(MA), BARKER(MA), BIGELOW(MA), BLYTHE(MA), BOICE(NY),
CANTINE(NY), CRISPELL(NY), ELWYN(MA), FOSDICK(MA), FREEMAN(MA), FRENCH(MA),
GILMAN(MA), HOLDEN(MA), JENNISON(MA), JOHNSON(MA), KENDALL(MA),
LEARNED(MA), LONGYEAR(NY), METCALF(MA), PAG
E(MA), POOLE(MA), PRATT(MA), REED(MA), RICHARDSON(MA), SMITH(MA, NY),
STEARNS(MA), SYMONDS(MA), TIDD(MA), WARREN(MA)
"For love is ever the beginning of knowledge, as fire is of light."
need death date for Susanna Cloyes born 1685 Charlestown,
Suffolk co, MA. married Caleb Kimball 15 JUne 1704 Wells,
ME. and any other info on her father Nathaniel and mother
Sarah Mills.
Thanks much Linda Sue genwildes(a)globaldialog.com
I have been getting reports that this file won't work with Word. Since the
work was done in WordPad for Win95, it should, but it doesn't. If any of
you are having problems with it, let me know and I'll save it as a .txt
file, and forward it to those who aren't able to get it to work in Word.
Isn't modern technology great?
Tom
A BIG thanks to Tom for transcribing this work! It is interesting to say
the least.
How does everyone feel about the accuracy of it?
Haven't looked too close yet, but immediately picked up the part about the
witches being 'burned at the stake'.
Am wondering if anyone else has thoughts on the statement that the names
Miles/Mills and Wells are interchangeable, when speaking of Thomas, father
of Elizabeth and Sarah? Haven't done much with this line, but I do know
there was both a Thomas Wells and a Thomas Mills living in the area. Any
comments on this?
Stephanie
Shenandoah Valley, VA
walkers(a)rica.net
Currently most interested in adding to these databases;
CLAYES/CLOYES(ME, MA, NY), CUPPERNALL(NY), FAIRBANKS(MA, CT, NY), GENT(ME,
MA), GLEASON(MA, NY), LITTLEFIELD(ME, MA), MESSINGER(NY), PARKHILL(IRE, MA,
VT, NY), PEPPER(MA, CT, NY), PERRY(MA), PHIPPS(ENG, ME, MA, CT, NY),
STONE(MA), THOMPSON(MA, VT, NY), TOW
NE(ME, MA, CT), UNDERWOOD(MA), WALKER(MA, NY), WATSON(MA)
Other names of interest;
ADAMS(MA), BANCROFT(MA), BARKER(MA), BIGELOW(MA), BLYTHE(MA), BOICE(NY),
CANTINE(NY), CRISPELL(NY), ELWYN(MA), FOSDICK(MA), FREEMAN(MA), FRENCH(MA),
GILMAN(MA), HOLDEN(MA), JENNISON(MA), JOHNSON(MA), KENDALL(MA),
LEARNED(MA), LONGYEAR(NY), METCALF(MA), PAG
E(MA), POOLE(MA), PRATT(MA), REED(MA), RICHARDSON(MA), SMITH(MA, NY),
STEARNS(MA), SYMONDS(MA), TIDD(MA), WARREN(MA)
"For love is ever the beginning of knowledge, as fire is of light."