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Author: denniscook1777
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Do you have any info on Mary Cook's family. Trying to connect her with my g-g-g- grandfather Henry Cook (1808-1888)
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Author: researcher05
Surnames: Clouse
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I totally agree. I see no proof of a connection to this Phettiplace, who came up a couple of years ago on the Family Tree, Ancestry or Rootsweb sites. The only sources I have seen have been online and of course are compiled genealogies with no sources. Yes, there were some mistakes in Pat Franklin's book, but it is pretty accurate on most stuff. One should always document, document, document!
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Author: armstrong22241
Surnames: Clouse
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No one, to my knowledge, has yet to definitively connect Phettiplace Close (Clauss, Clous) to George Clouse of TN. I have researched both Phettiplace and George and from what I can tell, there is a missing link where one of Phettiplace's direct descendants (can't remember exactly where without checking - e-mail me directly if you want to discuss it further and I'll look) is identified only as a male with no first name and thus no way to definitely identify him with George Clouse.
Of course, let me qualify this by saying that this is what I have been able to determine from my own research. Everyone (and I mean everyone) appears to have merely repeated each other's research on the Phettiplace Clouse line because no one that I have been able to find has ever come forward to identify where the info has come from.
Phettiplace Close (Clauss, Clous) was definitely in Virginia in the 1600s. The book listing this is in my local library, and if it's here it's probably everywhere. I'd be glad to get the name of it and post it here next time I go. This book is an abstract of records, of course, and I have not seen the original ship's record (the Starr) or the original land records. The land records show what property Phettiplace owned and state its location - no maps. There are other, later Clouse records abstracted in this book as well - but no indication who these Clouses may or may not have been to Phettiplace.
And I think this is the issue - somewhere along the line, someone decided that these Clouses were descended from Phettiplace and reported it that way but didn't source it. So someone researching this line will need to go back and do that, if the info is available. I don't live in the area, or believe me - I'd have been there!
Pat Franklin was fairly thorough with what was available to her at the time her book was written but she was obviously not able to link Phettiplace to her George, either. This doesn't mean he isn't related to her George - only that it has yet to be proven. And I personally believe that she did make a simple human error in the reporting of George's son, George - he did not go to Marion County, TN as she wrote. The George who appears there in 1830 was the son of Aaron "Leatherman" Clouse. Just goes to show that no matter how thorough we are, we're still human!
Pat Franklin did an excellent job on her book. George's son wasn't her direct descendant and she had no reason to look further concerning George's son. We have all benefitted from her work and if she were still alive, I would send her a thank you letter! I do believe that if evidence were readily available that conclusively proved George Clouse of TN-1780 descended from Phettiplace, Ms. Franklin would have found it.
Cathy Clouse Armstrong
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Author: researcher05
Surnames: Clouse
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Hi,I have a copy of Book of Remembrance of the Clouse Clan, copyrighted in 1976. This was the first edition Pat Franklin wrote. In this book are no references to a Phettiplace Clouse. Did she add him in a later version? The earliest person she has in my book is George Clouse,who was in TN in 1780. How does Phettiplace connect to George or does he? There is an English family with the name Fettiplace, and though it is a surname, the similarity struck me. Thanks,hope you you can help clarify.
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