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Dear Clough Cousins,
I have been in contact with Dr. Joanna Martin, a genealogist that came highly
recomended for her research abilities and ability to use funds wisely, and she
has all the information I could think of sending her. I could not send it out
to her at the end of last year because of her own schedule so when I hear back
from her I will certainly let everyone know. Just wanted to keep you all
abreast of the situation since there were some questions raised recently.
Hope all of you are well!! :-)
Sincerely,
Sheila Andersen
Hi Bonnie in Indy:
At the risk of duplicating efforts of other subscribers, may I suggest that
you talk to Sheila Andersen <CloughGen(a)aol.com>
In the March 1997 issue of the Bulletin, Sheila had an article about her visit
to England and how she gathered much info about Sir Richard Clough and his
descendants and even had tea at Plas Clough with a descendant of Sir Richard.
but was unable to find any data about "our" John.
There have been several attempts made to find John in England. The most
recent one was in the fall of last year. At the annual meeting in August of
1997, the society appropriate funds and authorized Sheila to hire a Dr. Joanna
Martin in England to try to find John in England. I have not heard if she
found anything or not. Perhaps Sheila has already responded to you.
Jerry Cluff
Portland, OR
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Forwarding this for Carole:
Carole Beth Arnette
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San Antonio, TX USA
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Hello Listers:
Am trying to find the meaning or derivation of the English/British surname
name, FAIRCLOUGH. Emily (Fairclough) Lee was my maternal ggm. My mother
who spent much time with her, said she pronounced her maiden name , FARE
CLUFF. Rhymes with ruff. Would the name be pronounced FARE CLO, as rhyming
with blow? Her family was from Yorkshire and East England.
Just wondering. Am really involved in researching my English roots. My
mother has told how her gm sang to her, and told her of Boxing Day.
In advance, thank you very much. Excuse the cultural errors or spelling
mistakes. Am learning so much about your country.
Carole Beth Arnette
dearnette(a)stic.net
San Antonio, TX USA
The original immigrant of the Clough line in America came over from England on
the ship Elizabeth in 1635 to Massachusetts.
My husbands grandmother named Elizabeth Clough b. 1885 I was trying to trace
her lineage back until I found out she came to America from England when she
was about 16 months old. That would have put her on a ship sometime between
3/1886 and 5/1887. Since they settle in Massachusetts with the other Cloughs,
they must have come into a Massachusetts port.
Can anyone get me started in this search?
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<< Saw a notice about the Clough family reunion in Maine and thought I
would ask if there are any connections to Cloughs in Western New York.
I have a Clough lady who married into my Warren line. Her mother was
Caroline Clough but I haven't learned her father yet. I believe there
were a lot of Cloughs in Arcade, Wyoming co., NY. Do you know anyone
who is researching Cloughs in Western New York? Thanks very much.
Best wishes,
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Dear Elizabeth,
Saw a notice about the Clough family reunion in Maine and thought I
would ask if there are any connections to Cloughs in Western New York.
I have a Clough lady who married into my Warren line. Her mother was
Caroline Clough but I haven't learned her father yet. I believe there
were a lot of Cloughs in Arcade, Wyoming co., NY. Do you know anyone
who is researching Cloughs in Western New York? Thanks very much.
Best wishes,
Karen Mohr
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I'm very new at this and please excuse me if my question sounds
uninformed, but I've not done the type of research many of you have yet.
I know many of you on this listserve are very aware of the most
current finds....How does this information tie-in with our John Clough of
Salisbury, MA? Is this new information? It was my understanding that
there seemed to be no information on John Clough prior to his passage on
the ship Elizabeth?
I think it would be exciting to break that wall down and have more info on
him in England...so I'm curious as to what those more informed will
say...
Just wondering in Indy
Bonnie
On Wed, 24 Jun 1998 stately(a)MAIL2.LCIA.COM wrote:
> Hi cousins,
> I found the following information while hunting the England internet, I
> hope this helps someone.....
>
> Anne Clough. >father Sir Richard Clough (1530-1570)
> >mother Katherine of Berain (1534-1591)
> >Katherine >daughter of Tudor ap Robert Fychan of Berain
> >Katherine >mother>Jane Velville >daughter of Sir Roland de
> Veliville (1474-15350 son of Henry V11. by wife of Agnes Griffith
> (d.1543) 1/2 sister or daughter of Sir William Griffith of Penrhyn
> d.1505.
> Tudor ap Robert Fychan of Berain > direct male line desendant of Mareh
> Weithian, lord fo Isaled 15th royal tribe of Wales . married Jane
> Velville in 1510.
> Anne Clough married John Salesbury.
> John Salesbury> d 1685 was the son of Roger Salisbury (d 1623) who
> married Anne Clough daughter of Sir Richard Clough 1530-1570 Knight of
> the Holy Seplchre and Katherine of Berain 2nd husband.
> Katherine 's husbands>
> John Salesbury >
> Sir Richard Clough
> Morris Wynne of Gwydir
> Edward Thelwall of Pas-y-Ward.
>
> this information came from a web site in England the follows the Crown
> royality... all information was proven and is on record in the Crown of
> England. Judy and CJ
>
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correction:::
the correct name is direct male line of Marchweithian lord fo Isaled,
15the royal tribe of Wales...also Katherine is the cousin of Elizabeth
1.
Hi cousins,
I found the following information while hunting the England internet, I
hope this helps someone.....
Anne Clough. >father Sir Richard Clough (1530-1570)
>mother Katherine of Berain (1534-1591)
>Katherine >daughter of Tudor ap Robert Fychan of Berain
>Katherine >mother>Jane Velville >daughter of Sir Roland de
Veliville (1474-15350 son of Henry V11. by wife of Agnes Griffith
(d.1543) 1/2 sister or daughter of Sir William Griffith of Penrhyn
d.1505.
Tudor ap Robert Fychan of Berain > direct male line desendant of Mareh
Weithian, lord fo Isaled 15th royal tribe of Wales . married Jane
Velville in 1510.
Anne Clough married John Salesbury.
John Salesbury> d 1685 was the son of Roger Salisbury (d 1623) who
married Anne Clough daughter of Sir Richard Clough 1530-1570 Knight of
the Holy Seplchre and Katherine of Berain 2nd husband.
Katherine 's husbands>
John Salesbury >
Sir Richard Clough
Morris Wynne of Gwydir
Edward Thelwall of Pas-y-Ward.
this information came from a web site in England the follows the Crown
royality... all information was proven and is on record in the Crown of
England. Judy and CJ
Does anyone have any information on Daniel Clough born ABT. 1832 in Sherbrooke Que.He also had a brother John born abt this same time. It seems the family came from N.H but went to Sherbrooke for a couple of years.I am trying to find out more about him,(cert. of birth?) and why they went to canada
for a while. If anyone can help I would appreciate it Daniel would be my GG Grandfather Thank You, Daniel Hanson dchanson(a)midmaine.com
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by Janelle Pond Richardson <janl(a)discover.net>
Most family historians have an interest in returning to the
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Researchers often travel and spend valuable time in the local
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records. More than likely these records are available near your
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be ordered from the Family History Library in Salt Lake City,
search for sources on the Internet, and visit public libraries
that have genealogy collections. Don't spend valuable time
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the information nearer to home. When you travel, spend the time
experiencing the area where your family lived and gathering local
stories.
My recent trip to the East Coast is an example. From California,
I was going to visit New York City. I knew I was going to be
within two hours of Branford, Connecticut -- the hometown of my
Colonial Pond family. Could I take the train to Connecticut, rent
a car and travel to Branford? I figured if my ancestors were
brave enough to endure the New England wilderness, I could
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by myself.
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discovered the family line on the LDS Ancestral File several
years ago and had acquired a book, "The Descendants of Samuel
Pond," which named my grandfather. Not one to take information at
face value, I proved or documented each generation by looking at
the Barbour Collection of Connecticut Colonial Records and then
accessing the Colonial Records of Connecticut, all from the FHC
near my home. I was able to do this without living in a
metropolitan area.
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Puritan ancestors had clearing the Connecticut land for farming.
I crossed the Connecticut River at New Haven, ignored the modern
industrial development, and thought of seven-year old Samuel Pond
sailing down this very river from Windsor, Hartford Colony in
1655. His father, another Samuel Pond who came from England, had
suddenly died in 1654, leaving a young family. The widow, Sarah
Pond, remarried and the family was headed for a new life along
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At exit 54, I left the Interstate and entered Branford which is a
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than 200 years old but were built after my families left
Branford. But I stood in front of the Congregational Church and
imagined my ancestors -- the Ponds, Blakelys, Goodrichs, and
Frisbies -- walking into the original crude meeting house that
had once stood here. I walked the streets and viewed the many
historical colonial homes which my ancestors might have visited.
They certainly knew the families as there were only 35-40
families living in Branford in 1670.
I drove along Historic Route 1 that was once known as the Old
Boston Post Road. About three miles outside town, I found the
lovely Frisbie home, built between 1688-1725. Indeed my ancestors
were here for Thankful Frisbie married Philip Pond in April 1726.
I also found time to explore the Blackstone Library in Branford,
which has been described as one of the loveliest libraries in the
country. I had called ahead and talked to the reference librarian
and told her the family names, time period, and that I was
interested in daily life and history. When I arrived, they had
brought down from the history room many books for me to examine.
Five hours later, I left the library loaded with new information.
Of course much of Branford did not look like Colonial Branford,
but I could look over the terrain and visualize. I had done my
research and knew about my ancestors before I went. It was a
thrill to walk where my ancestors walked.
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CLOUGH, CLUFF, CLOW REUNION. The John Clough Genealogical Society
will hold its 59th annual family reunion on August 8, 1998 in
Kennebunkport, Maine. For more information, please contact
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COGSWELL REUNION. The Cogswell Family Association, Inc., will
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TAYLOR REUNION. Descendents of Asa Taylor (b 1801) and Sarah
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Lenora Jane (Berryhill) Taylor (b 1881) will hold their second
family reunion on August 1, 1998 in Jackson, Mississippi. Related
families include Whittington, Reynolds, Crockett, Gilliam, Kelly,
Thompson, Butler, Meredith among others. For more information,
please contact Merry Smith at LSmith8719(a)aol.com.
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that his name had been dropped from the registry of his hometown.
He reported the omission to the chief town official who, deeming
it a slight to a distinguished citizen, protested strongly to the
district census taker. "I'm terribly sorry," apologized that
officer in great embarrassment. "I must have taken Leif off my
census!"
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MISSING LINKS: A Weekly Newsletter for Genealogists
Vol. 3, No. 25, 19 June 1998
Copyright (c) 1996-98 Julia M. Case and Myra Vanderpool Gormley
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WELDING LINKS: SUMMER READING
by Myra Vanderpool Gormley, CG <myra_gormley(a)prodigy.com>
Genealogists, in addition to tromping through cemeteries reading
gravestones, have a proclivity for reading lists of names in
phone books and city directories. No wonder others think we are a
bit peculiar. I thought about this obsession the other night
while browsing through THE FIRST VIRGINIA REGIMENT OF FOOT,
1775-1783.
This new, 467-page book by M. Lee Minnus does not have any of my
ancestors in it. Not the author's fault, of course. All of my
Virginia lines had migrated south and west by the time of the
American Revolution. After checking the index first (isn't that
what we all do?) I settled in to read the history of the unit,
the muster rolls (more lists of names) and biographies of each
soldier. The author has found some genuine gems for genealogists,
such as this entry:
"PITCHCREEK, JOHN, Private. This soldier was not a member of the
regiment. The muster of Crump's (Sayres's) <sic> Company for 9
June 1777 had him as confined after desertion from a German
regiment."
>From the notes on Peter Mines, private, we learn that he married
Ephy Marlin on 20 February 1783 in Rockbridge County; the tax
lists of 1787 had him in Augusta County and his pension
application was filed on 20 April 1818 in Augusta County, at age
69. He was in the Battle of Monmouth and that winter of 1778/9
was badly ruptured while making huts for winter quarters. He was
in the Battle of Guilford Courthouse on 15 March 1781, and he
died on 30 September 1825.
The "First Virginia" was the first state unit formed and the last
to be dismissed after the war's end. The book also includes a
list of this unit's patriots who died in service, along with the
date, or approximate date. If you have ancestors who served in
the First Virginia Regiment of Foot, this is a must-have book.
Virginia historians will find it fascinating too. It is
available, $34 postpaid, from Willow Bend Books, 2818 Ft. Evans
Rd., NE #101, Leesburg, VA 20176-4429. Virginia residents please
add $1.35 for taxes. <willowbend(a)mediasoft.net>
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"We wrote separately," Mrs. Linn says, but "when we put our
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"A Real Book," is available ($22.50 postpaid) from Jo White Linn,
P. O. Box 1948, Salisbury, NC 28145-1948.
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YES, VIRGINIA
THERE WAS A SEAN FERGUSON
by Gary Mokotoff <vhwc10a(a)prodigy.com>
What American Jewish genealogist has not heard the story of the
poor-soul Jewish immigrant who wanted to change his name at Ellis
Island and became so flustered when the immigrant officer asked
his name, he blurted out in Yiddish "Shayn fergessen" (I already
forgot). The immigrant officer dutifully recorded for eternity
his new name, Sean Ferguson. Is the story true, or is it the
creation of some Borsht Belt comedian?
The answer is, there really was a Sean Ferguson...almost. The
story is true...almost. AVOTAYNU, the journal of Jewish
genealogy, tracked down what appears to be the origin of the
famous story to a Syracuse, New York, attorney name Tracy
Ferguson, the grandson of the "real" Sean Ferguson, Samuel
Forgotston.
According to Tracy, his grandfather, Samuel Forgotston,
immigrated to the United States in the 1860s. He settled in upper
New York State and either he, or one of his brothers,
Americanized his name to Ferguson for some reason that has been
lost in the history of the family.
In the mid-1930s, shortly after Tracy graduated from Harvard Law
School, he became active in raising funds for a major Jewish
social help organization by going around the country making
speeches to various groups. His associates pointed out that his
peculiarly non-Jewish name, Ferguson, might be a detriment to his
fund raising ability. So Tracy turned disadvantage to advantage
by inventing a story.
He told his audience that his unusual name was derived in an
unusual way. His grandfather, Samuel Forgotston, when he arrive
at Ellis Island, in a moment of panic, blurted out to the
immigration officer, "Shayn fergessen" to the questions, "What is
your name?" The story brought gales of laughter from the
audience, so Tracy continued to use it as a warmup introduction
to his appeal for funds.
Tracy surmises that the story so caught the fancy of the public
that it was passed from person to person until it became part of
Jewish-American folklore.
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Sue, and others:
I'm looking at what I received today from the Social Security Dept.
I requested ---NO FORM sent--= a PHOTOCOPY of the Social Security
application of my Grandmother.
I just wrote a letter, sent the SS#, and today received a photocopy.
(it took about 30-45 days)
The information is: Name, bdate, place, parents names; age at time
applying, address, race, sex, employer.
I was not charged for this information, however, if I had not had the
SS#, I believe that there would have been a $16.00 charge.
(Social Security Number Record Third Party Request for Extract or
Photocopy)
Requested from:
Office of Central Records Operations
Baltimore, MD 21201
Good Luck,
Shirley
Sue Irons wrote:
>
> Hi everyone!
>
> Does anyone know how (what form to use) to write to the Social Security
> Office to get a copy of an application. This would be for an ancestor
> that filled one out, but has since died.
>
> Do they have a web site to download a form, and address?
>
> Thanks
> Sue
Hi Jerry,
You're correct in that Lona P. Hibbard's birth of May 21, 1896 does not
make any sense if her mother, Rebecca W. (#1004), d. Feb. 1862 and her
father, Frederick, d. Dec. 2, 1877. But that's what is in the books so
I typed it in anyway until I have the correct data.
Does anyone know what the corrections should be?
--
Gail
gbuckler(a)tiac.net
http://www.tiac.net/users/gbuckler
Jerry Zimmerman wrote:
>
> Gail, noticed in your Clough line (which I also descend) that under
> Rebecca W. Clough there is 2 children, Zeeb and Lona. Lona birth dates
> of 1896 comes well after Rebecca death date. Does Lona below maybe under
> Zeeb and his child? I descend down from Martha Clough b.1742 in
> Canterbury daughter of Jeremiah Clough and Sarah Elkins son of Thomas
> Clough b.1681 in Salisbury, MA.
>
> --
> Thanks,
> Jerry Zimmerman
>
> Researching: Hanley (VT/MN), Stellmacher (DEU/WI/MN), Brown (DEU/OH/MN),
> Birge (Eng/CT/MN), Stewart (IRL/VT/MN), Zimmerman (Pommern/MN), Eppard
> (DEU/MN), Kilbourne (CT), Sherman (Eng/CT), Goldsmith (Eng/ILL/MN),
> Burkitt (ILL/MN).
Hi Ted,
I wasn't able to find Caroline Clough b. in Belchertown, or any other
Caroline born on the date below. There are several people that were
born, died, or married in Belchertown, though. If you want dates, let
me know. Don't want to waste time if you don't need them. The # refer
to the reference number in the Genealogy of the Descendents of John
Clough of Salisbury, MA.
Clough surnames:
Aaron #633
Calvin #308
Daniel #657
Elmira #2213
Emily M. 2218
Guernsey A. #2215
Jefferson Moody #2212
Jonathan #88
Jonathan #1323
Joseph #298
Levi Heath #1340
Mabel #640
Mary #611
Ralph #13-38
Reuben #1784
Solomon #666
Timothy #1322
Timothy L. #2214
Non-Clough surnames:
Ellen Debit
Mary Ferry
Anna Patrick
William Ward
I found your Walter Sheldon (Shelby in the Clough books) Cluff. Note
that he married twice. I included source information for you. Allen
Potts is a member of the John Clough Society; you can find a link to his
web site from mine (see bottom of this email).
Descendants of Walter Shelby Cluff:
1 Walter Shelby Cluff b: Dec 31, 1860 in Claridon Twp., Marion Co.,
Ohio src: Allen Potts-internet d: Jan 17, 1948 in Died & bur. in
Marion, Marion Co., Ohio src: Allen Potts-internet
. + Margaret Belle Leeper b: Apr 12, 1862 in Marion Twp., Marion Co.,
Ohio src: Allen Potts-internet d: Jul 5, 1900 in Died & bur. in Marion,
Marion Co., Ohio src: Allen Potts-internet m: Nov 3, 1883 src: Allen
Potts-internet
. 2 Francis Ami Cluff b: Sep 4, 1884 in Marion, Marion Co., OH src:
Allen Potts-internet d: Mar 3, 1934 in Died & Bur. in Marion, Marion
Co., OH src: Allen Potts-internet
..... + Rosy Florence Baker b: Dec 27, 1881 in Grand Twp., Marion Co.,
OH src: Allen Potts-internet d: May 21, 1959 in Marion, Marion Co., OH
src: Allen Potts-internet m: Dec 25, 1903 in Marion, Marion Co., OH
src: Allen Potts-internet
..... 3 Geneva Bell Cluff b: Sep 4, 1906 in Marion, Marion Co., Ohio
src: Allen Potts-internet
..... 3 Gladys L. Cluff b: Jun 28, 1908 in Marion, Marion Co., Ohio
src: Allen Potts-internet d: Feb 23, 1919 in Died & Bur. in Marion,
Marion Co., Ohio src: Allen Potts-internet
..... 3 Walter Deloy Cluff b: Nov 10, 1912 in Rochester, Fulton Co.,
IN src: Allen Potts-internet
......... + Doris Burbaugh b: Dec 31, 1915 in LaRue, Marion Co., OH
src: Allen Potts-internet m: Apr 16, 1938 in Marion, Marion Co., Ohio
src: Allen Potts-internet
........ 4 Susan Frances Cluff b: Sep 25, 1939 in Prospect, Marion
Co., Ohio src: Allen Potts-internet
............ + Allen Lee Potts b: Mar 10, 1939 in LaRue, Marion Co.,
Ohio src: Allen Potts-internet m: Aug 12, 1960 in Methodist Church,
LaRue, Marion Co., Ohio src: Allen Potts-internet
............ 5 Robert Christian Potts
............ 5 Melissa Marie Potts b: Jan 23, 1971 in Murray, Salt
Lake Co., Utah src: Allen Potts-internet
........ 4 Myron Shelby Cluff b: Dec 14, 1943 in Kenton, Hardin Co.,
Ohio src: Allen Potts-internet
........ 4 Nancy Jean Cluff b: Dec 18, 1944 in Kenton, Hardin Co.,
Ohio src: Allen Potts-internet
..... 3 Francis B. Cluff b: Oct 12, 1917 in Marion, Marion Co., Ohio
src: Allen Potts-internet d: Oct 14, 1917 in Marion, Marion Co., Ohio
src: Allen Potts-internet
..... 3 Adeline Elizabeth Cluff b: Aug 30, 1919 in Marion, Marion
Co., Ohio src: Allen Potts-internet
. 2 Henry Cay Cluff b: Nov 6, 1888 in Marion, Marion Co., Ohio src:
Allen Potts-internet d: Jul 29, 1964 in Died & bur. in Marion, Marion
Co., Ohio src: Allen Potts-internet
. 2 Ray Cluff b: Jun 15, 1890 in Caledonia, Marion Co., Ohio src:
Allen Potts-internet d: Dec 20, 1890 in Died & bur. in Marion, Marion
Co., Ohio src: Allen Potts-internet
*2nd Wife of Walter Shelby Cluff:
. +Mary F. Harruff m: Jul 5, 1903 src: Allen Potts-internet
His ancestors were:
Ami Cluff & Joanna Jump
Josiah Clough & Olive Lester
Wadleigh Clough & Hannah Scribner
Moses Clough & Molly Cram
Jabez Clough & Mariam Brown (dau. of Abraham)
Aacheus Clough & Sarah Page (dau. of Joseph)
Thomas Clough & Ruth Connor (dau. of Cornelius Connor & Sarah Brown)
(both Thomas & Ruth are my ancestors, too)
John Clough & Jane
Hope this helps you.
--
Gail
gbuckler(a)tiac.net
http://www.tiac.net/users/gbuckler
ElizWalkNW(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-06-21 03:17:33 EDT, banjo(a)allover.com writes:
>
> << banjo(a)allover.com >>
>
> Another query that I'm forwarding to you all. I looked in John Clough book
> but did not see a match.
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: CLOUTH/CLUFF/CLOW
> Date: Sun, 21 Jun 1998 00:19:13 -0700
> From: Ted Harruff <banjo(a)allover.com>
> To: elizwalknw(a)aol.com
>
> I am a descendent of Caroline CLOUGH, b. July 01, 1802, Ludlow, MA, d.
> August 21, 1871, Clarion, Bureau Co., IL, m. March 27, 1817,
> Belchertown, Hampshire Co., MA, Charles HANOVER. Do you have her in your
> files? I need more on her family. I am also related to Walter Sheldon
> CLUFF, b. December 31, 1860, Marion, OH, d. January 17, 1948, Marion,
> OH, m. July 05, 1903, Mary Elizabeth HARRUFF. I don't have much else to
> offer on him. Thanks, Ted HARRUFF banjo(a)allover.com
In a message dated 98-06-21 03:17:33 EDT, banjo(a)allover.com writes:
<< banjo(a)allover.com >>
Another query that I'm forwarding to you all. I looked in John Clough book
but did not see a match.
ElizWalkNW(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> In a message dated 98-06-20 14:24:50 EDT, jimell(a)swbell.net
>
> Hi All,
>
> I'm forwarding this post to our CLOUGH Surname list. Maybe someone can be of
> assistance?? I've looked under the "Husbands of Clough Women" in the Vol I
> index of John Clough book and saw no HAMBLIN listed.
>
> Liz
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Desperately seeking Mary Clough
> Date: Sat, 20 Jun 1998 13:25:40 -0500
> From: jimell(a)swbell.net
> To: elizwalknw(a)aol.com
>
> Dear Ms. Walker:
> In the most recent edition of Missing Links, I read of the Clough family
> reunion. Would you be so kind as to post this question for me to your
> members?
>
> I am looking for information on a Mary Clough, who was reportedly the
> wife of one Eli Hamblet of Brownville, Maine. I am a descendant of this
> Eli Hamblet, who was originally from Mass, probably from Dracut, and who
> is listed in the Brownville Census as early as 1810. Here is my
> problem. I have vistied Brownville, and Eli's descendants there, as do
> Dracut records, show Eli's wife as Mary (Polly) Richardson. However, I
> have a letter from an elderly granddaughter of Eli Hamblet, Anna Perham
> Trafton, written to my grandmother, Nellie Elizabeth Hamlet, saying that
> Eli's wife was Mary Clough. I have not been able to account for the
> discrepancy by means of a second marriage, widowhood, etc. Several
> correspondants have mentioned the possibility of that Eli Hamblet had a
> son Eli, who married Mary Clough, and that the mother Mary Richardson
> Hamblet and daughter-in-law Mary Clough Hamblet became confused.
> However, I've not found any actual proof for the existance of this
> second Eli. Can any of your Clough connections help me to explain this
> Mary Clough? She'd likely have born in the late 1790's or early 1800s
> and have lived at least some time in Brownville, Maine. She'd have had
> a daughter, Laura Hamblet, born in 1828, who married a William Perham in
> Brownville. She may also have been mother (stepmother?) to Dana and
> Joseph Bradley Hamblet. Dana was born in Brownville in 1813. Both
> brothers migrated to Minnesota. (Eli's two older children, Charles and
> Mary, are accounted for in the Dracut, Mass records.)
>
> Thanks for your help! Kendall Mellem
> jimell(a)swbell.net
Hi,
I can't find anything in my database. I also happened to have copied
Dracut's vital records for Clough/Clow (no Cluffs listed) which go to
1850, but didn't find any marriage listed there for a Mary to Eli.
--
Gail
gbuckler(a)tiac.net
http://www.tiac.net/users/gbuckler