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I found this on the GREEN-L list and thought it was worthy to pass on.
> Dear Green/Greene Researchers,
> I've even come across Krean (Russian I believe!) as a name that eventually
ended up being spelled 'Green'. A hundred and fifty years ago, when someone
with an accent told someone else who tired and grouchy, and could barely
spell, that his name was 'Fattis', it ended up written down as 'Faddes'.
For years I searched for French ancestors with the name of 'Bozelle', just
to find out that they were, actually, very British 'Boswells'! On the
other hand, my very British sounding 'Cannoys', were a phonetic spelling of
'Knoy', and were originally 'Kneys' from Bavaria!!! Please don't disregard
information that may come your way all for want of an 'e' at the end of a
name. You may be passing up that one piece of information that will make
all the difference in your research!
>
> Happy Hunting!
> Etta Greene
Maybe this might help someone by broadening their search.
George
Hello All
I just couldnt resist, I had to send this to the list. Hope you get a big
smile from it like I did. jackie
<A HREF="http://home.attbi.com/~apr1jan/buyanancestor.html">http://home.attbi.com/~apr1jan/buyanancestor.html</A>
Clough Society Editor
List Admin for: Gauthier mail list.
Researching: Clough, Gilligan, Chamberlain, Buzzell, Hunting, Gauthier, Cram
Remember: You Can Pick Your Friends, But God Gave You Your Relatives For A
Reason!
Sheila, I never got a reply from you about a group rate for several of us who
might like to do the DNA testing.
Also, I've linked up with Rebecca Harpole, thanks for info in your emails
about the trip to England, and we will talk when she is in Alabama, which is
where my ancestor may have come from. She has been very helpful. And we are
going to see her in London for a Clough sites tour like the one you did.
Thanks, Susan Clough Wyatt Corrales, NM
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Subject: Massachusetts looks to close certain Vital Records!
Hi All, this came to me on another list.
Liz Walker
MA Bill H5158....and found the info
Looks like the HofR in MA don't have enough to do.....Maybe we can all keep
them busy for awhile....remember, busy hands don't let idle fingers wonder
what mischief they can get into...." or something like that!!!
Best, Karen in Seattle with LOTS of MA ancestors
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Access to Massachusetts Public Records Threatened - You Can Help!
A bill was recently introduced into the Massachusetts House of
Representatives that, if passed, would close public access to marriage and
death records since 1950, as well as birth records after 1910, including
indices. The Massachusetts Genealogical Council (MGC) board is mounting a
campaign to defeat passage of this bill (H5158) and we urge all NEHGS
members
to write to their state representative as soon as possible! Visit the MGC
website to find out how you can help defeat the passage of this bill.
This site helps MA citizens find their representative:
http://www.wheredoivotema.com/
This site is from the MA Genealogical Council:
http://massgencouncil.home.attbi.com/index.htm
Massachusetts Genealogical Council
PO Box 5393
Cochituate, MA 01778
info "at" massgencouncil.org
MASSACHUSETTS HOUSE BILL H5158 - PUBLIC RECORDS CLOSING ALERT!
Thursday July 18, The Daily News Tribune, Waltham MA reports with quotes
from
Deputy DPH Commissioner Marianne Fleckner, executive director of the
Massachusetts Newspaper Publishers Association Bill Plante, Secretary of
State William Galvin spokesman Brian McNiff and the New England Historic
Genealogical Society genealogist Marie Daly at
http://www.dailynewstribune.com/news/local_regional/birthrecords07182002.htm
This article is very brief and does NOT mention some very pertinent details.
The MA House H5158 bill does not phase out recent phase birth, marriage and
death records out for "privacy periods"! It permanently removes them from
the
Public Records. While other state laws are cited in the aggregate to follow
Federal guidelines, there is no attempt to provide qualitative and
quantitative comparisons - which differ signifigantly.
The MA House bill H5158 http://www.state.ma.us/legis/history/h05158.htm is
still not online as of July 18 - you must see this bill for yourself. Ask
your MA House representative http://www.state.ma.us/legis/repdis01.htm for a
copy!
If you are not a MA resident, check with the MA House Rules Committee for
H5158 text copies http://www.state.ma.us/legis/comm/h33.htm and compare with
your own state legislation!
The Massachusetts Genealogical Council (MGC) board held an emergency meeting
Friday July 12, 2002 in Waltham MA to review the text of an alarming, and
recently introduced, Massachusetts House of Representatives bill H5158 (see
links below for issues, status and contact information).
The most pressing aspect of H5158, on preliminary review, is that it would
close marriage and death records since 1950, as well as birth records after
1910, to public access - including their indices!
MGC is recommending that all Massachusetts residents contact their
Representative and that all non-resident Massachusetts researchers contact a
Massachusetts resident to represent their interests - immediately as the
formal sessions close on July 31st but impromptu sessions have sometimes
been
used to pass such legislation!
See http://www.state.ma.us/legis/repdis01.htm for districts
The general content of the legislative protest letters should at least cover
the following points, be sincere, personalized and not appear to be a form
letter format:
Dear (Representative Name):
The Birth, Marriage and Death records (Vital Records) of the Commonwealth
have always been open to the public with few specific exceptions. House Bill
5158, currently reported out to the Committee on House Rules, would close
Birth Records after 1910 and Marriage and Death Records since 1950 to public
access.
We ask that you encourage further study of this Bill by the Committee on
House Rules and that you vote AGAINST this bill should it come to floor
vote.
H5158 would affect every citizen of the Commonwealth. Among other things it
would:
1) block access to recent death records so that family medical histories
could not be ascertained;
2) increase expenses for persons needing to prove legitimate access to the
Vital Records;
3) not affect the risks of identity fraud or theft which does not occur from
personal inspection of the Vital Records.
Again I/we urge you to defeat H5158.
Sincerely,
Name
Address
Contact Info
Additional notes on the preliminary MGC review of this bill:
The Massachusetts bill H5158 is purportedly a rewrite of H132 See
http://www.state.ma.us/legis/bills/house/h00132.htm .
However, the full text of H5158 is not yet online and the MGC expects that
further line by line examination of the H5158 printed text (36 pages) will
uncover other issues of concern.
In contrast, the MGC has been working on the Senate bill S2302 which may be
reviewed at http://www.state.ma.us/legis/bills/st02302.htm
All recent medical studies point to the statistical and anecdotal importance
of medical information for multiple generations - and beyond immediate
lineal
or lateral descent lines.
The H5158 bill could also remove access to the actual primary source record.
It contains such items as "... Such examination, at the descretion of the
Custodian, may be from an automated database. ..."
The Birth, Marriage and Death records (Vital Records) of the Commonwealth of
Massachusetts have always been open to the public with few specific
exceptions. See http://www.state.ma.us/legis/laws/mgl/gl-66-toc.htm .
However, House Bill 5158, currently reported out to the Committee on House
Rules, would close Birth Records after 1910 and Marriage and Death Records
since 1950 to public access - as of January 1, 2004 when the inquirer must
be
proven to be ONLY the individual in question or the " spouse, children,
parent as named on birth record, legal guardian, sibling, grandparent,
grandchild, executor, authorized legal representative or authorized
genealogist designated by one of the aforementioned persons in writing".
Additionally, removing the indices from the public access will preclude
researchers from even being able to narrow down the likely candidates for
detailed record inspection - increasing the Catch-22 of having to prove a 2
generation or less direct lineal connection to the records in question -
when
that is the question!
The H5158 bill does not provide funds for the expenditures of government
agencies that would have to shoulder the new custodian and adminisitrative
responsiblities for records archiving and access validation and/or refusal -
such that even what the Custodian considers legitimate access request may
not
be administered in a timely fashion if the determination of legitimate
access
is not a funded administration expense.
Identity fraud or theft issue is a claimed goal H5158 bill without regard to
the actual identity fraud methods used and documented by numerous
investigations - either in the old fashioned "complete fabrication", "trash
scouring" and wallet/home robbery, newspaper obituary targeting and
institutional insider records misuse - or the advent of the Internet and
other electronic transaction interceptions. Identity fraud thieves are not
prone to the methodical, time consuming and formal task of searching and
requesting the Vital Records.
You may monitor the status of this bill and check for the full text release
at
http://www.state.ma.us/legis/history/h05158.htm
House, No. 5158 - Bill relating to birth, marriage and death records.
06/20/02 H Reported from the committee on Government Regulations
06/20/02 H New draft of H132
06/20/02 H Bill reported favorably by committee and referred to the
committee
on RULES OF THE TWO BRANCHES, ACTING CONCURRENTLY -HJ 1907
07/11/02 H Discharged to the committee on House Rules
People who have representatives who are on these committees may find further
information here:
HOUSE RULES, Room 167, State House, Boston, MA 02133 Telephone: (617)
722-2692 It shall be the duty of the committee on Rules to recommend
specialorders for the scheduling and consideration of legislation on the
floorof the House. Said committee shall be authorized to make
recommendations
and propose changes in the rules for the purpose of improving andexpediting
the business and procedures of the House of Representativesand its
committees. http://www.state.ma.us/legis/comm/h33.htm
JOINT COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT REGULATIONS, Room 472, State House, Boston, MA
02133 Telephone: (617) 722-2120 It shall be the duty of the committee on
Government Regulations to consider all matters concerning public utilities,
gambling, the racing industry, the registration of various trades or
professions, the issuance of licenses for the sale of alcoholic beverages
and
such other matters as may be referred.
http://www.state.ma.us/legis/comm/j17.htm
The MGC welcomes all questions from interested researchers, as well as
shared
experiences from other jurisdictions dealing with ill-concieived,
reactionary
measures to identity fraud, privacy or records preservation and access
issues. Please send your questions and suggestions to
info(a)massgencouncil.org
If you are among the millions who claim early ancestors in Massachusetts -
prior to the proposed 1910/1950 exclusions - and do not believe you will be
impacted by such a law, please consult with your contemporary cousins and
resident collateral lines. Your family will be affected!
Thank you for your interest and support in this matter. The Massachusetts
Genealogical Council
The Massachusetts Genealogical Council is dedicated to serving the interests
of the state's genealogical community. Founded in 1980, the Council's stated
aim is to develop and promote growth and to study and exchange ideas among
persons and organizations interested in the pursuit of genealogy. Its
programs and activities are designed to complement those of the many
genealogical and hereditary societies throughout the state and to provide a
statewide forum for genealogists.
One of the Council's leading functions is to represent the concerns of
genealogists in the halls of state and local government. The Council
monitors
the activities of agencies which bear on genealogical interests and
testifies
at hearings and other forums of government. The Council promotes the
preservation and publication of state and local records and also provides
information about them. It guards the rights of all researchers' access to
public records and educates genealogists about the proper use and
preservation of these records.
The MGC Board of Directors is composed of elected officers and delegates
from
the following organizations:
Berkshire Family History Association
Cape Cod Genealogical Society
Essex Society of Genealogists
Falmouth Genealogical Society
Genealogical Roundtable
Jewish Genealogical Society of Greater Boston
Massachusetts Society of Genealogists
Massachusetts Society of Mayflower Descendants
Plymouth County Genealogists
TIARA (The Irish Ancestral Research Association
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Although I will not be able to cross the country to attend the reunion, I am
trying to fill out the group sheets you sent me to help in the updating
process of the society records. I have to incorporate the records we
already have on our computer files with the information you sent me and then
reprint the group sheets of information we do have to send back to you.
Hopefully, that won't take me all year to accomplish.
>From: CloughGen(a)aol.com
>Reply-To: CLOUGH-GENEALOGY-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: CLOUGH-GENEALOGY-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [CLOUGH-GENEALOGY] JCGS reunion...
>Date: Mon, 1 Jul 2002 10:34:53 EDT
>
>Hello Everyone!
>
>Just a reminder that our next 'John Clough Genealogical Society' reunion
>will
>be held July 27 in Greenfield, MA. I hope as many of you as possible will
>make arrangements to join us.
>
>Besides the joy of having Rebecca Harpole join us from England we will have
>several new family members in attendance this year, including some who were
>on our 'Clough Family Trip' to England and Wales in October.
>
>As a treat I plan to present my Oxford Ancestors DNA presentation and, if I
>am able to put it together, I will include a presentation about the trip.
>
>If anyone has questions or comments about this years reunion please contact
>me ASAP.
>
>I look forward to seeing as many of you as possible! :-)
>
>Kindest Regards,
>
>Sheila Andersen
>CLOUGH-GENEALOGY-L owner
>CloughGen(a)aol.com
>
>Genealogist
>John Clough Genealogical Society
>CloughGen(a)aol.com
>
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Hi;
I will not be able to attend this year, because of illness of my
husband, hope to attend next year if one is held again. Have fun, fun, fun!
BJ Dale
Shiela;
My husband has been in the hospital, knee replacement and many other
things went wrong after the surgery.
I have misplaced the address for joining the John Clough Society, please
send so that I can get to work again on this project.
Sincerely~ BJ Dale
Hello Everyone!
Just a reminder that our next 'John Clough Genealogical Society' reunion will
be held July 27 in Greenfield, MA. I hope as many of you as possible will
make arrangements to join us.
Besides the joy of having Rebecca Harpole join us from England we will have
several new family members in attendance this year, including some who were
on our 'Clough Family Trip' to England and Wales in October.
As a treat I plan to present my Oxford Ancestors DNA presentation and, if I
am able to put it together, I will include a presentation about the trip.
If anyone has questions or comments about this years reunion please contact
me ASAP.
I look forward to seeing as many of you as possible! :-)
Kindest Regards,
Sheila Andersen
CLOUGH-GENEALOGY-L owner
CloughGen(a)aol.com
Genealogist
John Clough Genealogical Society
CloughGen(a)aol.com