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All I can say Randy is keep up the good work. I enjoy reading all of those interesting things that you have found out about. The funny thing is, I don't remember being all that interested in history, but when it comes to your own heritage it becomes different and you become more closely attached to it. I just wish that I had more computer skills to learn how to do some of the things that both you and Tom are doing. I have been in Texas since 1953 and never even knew there were Clouds living here in eTexas. What I am trying to find out is where did my grandfather and greatgrandfather originate from. Maybe Tom might have sent it to me, but I can't find it in my things. I think that if time permits I'll try to find what I do have and maybe go from there. I want to find out about my father and where he was living when his first daughter, Jennie was buried in Indiana. I only know that she was older than my sister who was 99 last year and who passed away in March of last year.
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From: cloud-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cloud-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of randy CLOUD
Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2010 8:23 PM
To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CLOUD] disclaimer/by Randy Cloud
I do not claim that these Clouds or places belong to us even tho I said they were. These are place names of Cloud in the U.K. that I have found. I am not a historian, but sure am interested. I will say Cloud Place names in the future, and put it in more perspective. I would like to thank Tom for all his great help and the rest of you "Clouds" for listening.
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I do not claim that these Clouds or places belong to us even tho I said they were. These are place names of Cloud in the U.K. that I have found. I am not a historian, but sure am interested. I will say Cloud Place names in the future, and put it in more perspective. I would like to thank Tom for all his great help and the rest of you "Clouds" for listening.
Anglo-Saxon Charters
... fram wigheardes stapele to cludesleghe, of þare lege to þanen ealden herepaþe þæt schet to blinchesfelde, þanen forð be wyrttenne to scearpenhame, ...
hwaet.heroku.com/charters/419?q=&page= - Cached
R1B1B2A1A4 this does not count anymore as my dna? Is this a shift in direction?.........Skye does mean Cloud in three languges and we are scottish, welsh and irish.
> From: kec(a)cox.net
> To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 11:34:06 -0400
> Subject: Re: [CLOUD] refined ancient origins of CLOUD lineage
>
> I seem to remember something about a Cloud castle on the Isle of Skyn? One
> went to France as I remember, other to Ireland and that line is the one we
> pick up in England. All very sketchy in my mind.
>
> Ken Cloud
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ford,Betty (DARS)" <Betty.Ford(a)dars.state.tx.us>
> To: <cloud(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 11:03 AM
> Subject: Re: [CLOUD] refined ancient origins of CLOUD lineage
>
>
> > You know my father always thought that he was from Scottish backgrounds
> > and I wonder if some of the Clouds didn't originally come from Scotland
> > and migrated over to England.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cloud-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cloud-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> > Behalf Of Tom Cloud
> > Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:22 AM
> > To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: [CLOUD] refined ancient origins of CLOUD lineage
> >
> > My 23andMe results came back yesterday and I believe the results are very
> > interesting to those descended from William Cloude the immigrant.
> >
> > My haplogroup has now been refined to R1b1b2a1a1d1* -- and this will be
> > the same haplogroup for all of William's direct male descendants.
> >
> > Here is a blog post about this haplogroup entitled: "Ivanhoe: The Jewish -
> > Viking Gene Cluster".
> > http://h2oreuse.blogspot.com/2009/08/ivanhoe-jewish-viking-gene-cluster.html
> >
> > It links to a map page at:
> > http://h2oreuse.blogspot.com/2009/08/ivanhoe-jewish-viking-gene-cluster.html
> >
> > "Ivanhoe" is a symbolical name of MRCA for Jewish predicted R1b1b2a1a1d1*
> > L47* (~1% of Jewish people ~130 000) and some English and Highland
> > Scottish clans (Hardwick, Clouds, Hadley, Burns and Rattray), he lived
> > most probably in 9-10 c.
> >
> > I would really like to know how to contact the blogger and to find out
> > about the surnames they give -- note that we have RATTRAYs who are very
> > similar to our project results with Family Tree DNA.
> >
> > Can anyone figure out how to get the map in English?
> >
> > thanks,
> > Tom Cloud
> >
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> > Join the Cloud Family Association
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> > (The Cloud Family Association was formed in 1978 by members of the Cloud
> > family.
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> > Join the Cloud Family Association
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This sure is getting interesting. I sure wish that I had a lot of time to devote to this.
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From: cloud-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cloud-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of randy CLOUD
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 1:03 PM
To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLOUD] refined ancient origins of CLOUD lineage
The Clouds came from Strathclyde to midlands about 800 a.d. probably as estimate time. This may sound farfetched but maybe the Clouds migrated to europe instead of the other way around. Kingdom of Strathclyde - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Strathclyde (Scottish Gaelic: Srath Chluaidh) (lit. "Valley of the Clyde"), originally Brythonic Ystrad Clud was one of the kingdoms of the Britons in the ...
Origins - Early Historic Period - The End of Strathclyde - Notes Clud or clude or cluda is the scottish spelled name. > Date: Tue, 27 Apr 2010 12:20:27 -0500
> To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
> From: tcloud(a)austin.rr.com
> Subject: Re: [CLOUD] refined ancient origins of CLOUD lineage
>
> According to what the anthropologists say, our line had its origins in the vicinity of Northern France or The Netherlands, though our people appear to have lived over a wide part of Northwestern Europe and into England.
>
> The estimated date for our most recently discovered SNP mutation is 9th or 10th century, meaning the man who experienced it lived sometime around 900 A.D. Though his location is speculation based on the number of people with that haplogroup currently living in the area, it may be that a descendant migrated to Scotland (Isle of Skye) or England. The Isle of Skye is about 500 miles NE of that region on the NE coast of Scotland.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UK_Skye.PNG
>
> Tom
>
> At 10:34 AM 4/27/2010, you wrote:
> >I seem to remember something about a Cloud castle on the Isle of Skyn? One
> >went to France as I remember, other to Ireland and that line is the one we
> >pick up in England. All very sketchy in my mind.
> >
> >Ken Cloud
>
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> Join the Cloud Family Association
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According to what the anthropologists say, our line had its origins in the vicinity of Northern France or The Netherlands, though our people appear to have lived over a wide part of Northwestern Europe and into England.
The estimated date for our most recently discovered SNP mutation is 9th or 10th century, meaning the man who experienced it lived sometime around 900 A.D. Though his location is speculation based on the number of people with that haplogroup currently living in the area, it may be that a descendant migrated to Scotland (Isle of Skye) or England. The Isle of Skye is about 500 miles NE of that region on the NE coast of Scotland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:UK_Skye.PNG
Tom
At 10:34 AM 4/27/2010, you wrote:
>I seem to remember something about a Cloud castle on the Isle of Skyn? One
>went to France as I remember, other to Ireland and that line is the one we
>pick up in England. All very sketchy in my mind.
>
>Ken Cloud
You know my father always thought that he was from Scottish backgrounds and I wonder if some of the Clouds didn't originally come from Scotland and migrated over to England.
-----Original Message-----
From: cloud-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cloud-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf Of Tom Cloud
Sent: Tuesday, April 27, 2010 6:22 AM
To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CLOUD] refined ancient origins of CLOUD lineage
My 23andMe results came back yesterday and I believe the results are very interesting to those descended from William Cloude the immigrant.
My haplogroup has now been refined to R1b1b2a1a1d1* -- and this will be the same haplogroup for all of William's direct male descendants.
Here is a blog post about this haplogroup entitled: "Ivanhoe: The Jewish - Viking Gene Cluster".
http://h2oreuse.blogspot.com/2009/08/ivanhoe-jewish-viking-gene-cluster.html
It links to a map page at:
http://h2oreuse.blogspot.com/2009/08/ivanhoe-jewish-viking-gene-cluster.html
"Ivanhoe" is a symbolical name of MRCA for Jewish predicted R1b1b2a1a1d1* L47* (~1% of Jewish people ~130 000) and some English and Highland Scottish clans (Hardwick, Clouds, Hadley, Burns and Rattray), he lived most probably in 9-10 c.
I would really like to know how to contact the blogger and to find out about the surnames they give -- note that we have RATTRAYs who are very similar to our project results with Family Tree DNA.
Can anyone figure out how to get the map in English?
thanks,
Tom Cloud
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Join the Cloud Family Association
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My 23andMe results came back yesterday and I believe the results are very interesting to those descended from William Cloude the immigrant.
My haplogroup has now been refined to R1b1b2a1a1d1* -- and this will be the same haplogroup for all of William's direct male descendants.
Here is a blog post about this haplogroup entitled: "Ivanhoe: The Jewish - Viking Gene Cluster".
http://h2oreuse.blogspot.com/2009/08/ivanhoe-jewish-viking-gene-cluster.html
It links to a map page at:
http://h2oreuse.blogspot.com/2009/08/ivanhoe-jewish-viking-gene-cluster.html
"Ivanhoe" is a symbolical name of MRCA for Jewish predicted R1b1b2a1a1d1* L47* (~1% of Jewish people ~130 000) and some English and Highland Scottish clans (Hardwick, Clouds, Hadley, Burns and Rattray), he lived most probably in 9-10 c.
I would really like to know how to contact the blogger and to find out about the surnames they give -- note that we have RATTRAYs who are very similar to our project results with Family Tree DNA.
Can anyone figure out how to get the map in English?
thanks,
Tom Cloud
I am researching the surname CLOUD -- our ancestor William CLOUDE emigrated from England to the American colony of Delaware in 1682.
We have found instances of the name as far back as the 1300's and suspect CLOUDSLEY may be another variant of the name.
Here are some links to information we have collected: de la cloude is "OF THE CLOUD", go to u.k. national archives, top left corner, type cloude or clowde in search, rt. corner on page, for further info.
Medieval Cloudes (a temporary link -- will be moved at a later date): Contact Randy Cloud for Questions
http://mykindred.com/cloudhistory.com/1cdocs/delacloud.php
BREAKING NEWS: Humanitarian Dr. Gary Cloud passes away
Was battling lung cancer
By Ofelia Garcia Hunter
Alice Echo-News Journal
Published: Tuesday, April 20, 2010 11:09 AM CDT
Longtime optometrist and humanitarian Dr. Gary Cloud passed away Monday evening after a battle with lung cancer.
�He was a great humanitarian, every Monday he and his staff would treat the underprivileged and helped locally with different projects,� said John Bedgood, a Rotary Club member. �It�s hard to do without him.�
http://www.aliceechonews.com/articles/2010/04/20/news/doc4bcdcfd03ce5c310...
Comment:
Tom.
Thanks for letting us know about Gary. He will be truly missed.
Linda
---
Story:
Gary Thomas Cloud
ALICE, Texas – Gary Thomas Cloud was born on November 2, 1937 in Palestine, Texas, and passed away on April 19, 2010 in Arlington, Texas after losing his battle to lung cancer. He is survived by his four sons, Mark, Devon, Jerimiah and Warren as well as his grandchildren Nadia, Keira, Chloe, Syrik and Phoenix. Gary has joined his youngest son, Jonathan where they will remain with us all in spirit.
The Cloud family will receive friends beginning at 1 p.m. Friday, April 23, 2010 at Knesek Funeral Home located at 842 E. Main St. (FM 529) in Bellville, Texas. A remembrance will also be held at 12 p.m. Saturday, April 24, 2010 at Ruben M. Garcia & Sons Funeral Services, 120 E. Front St. in Alice, Texas, with a continuance held at Sluggers Bar and Grill for the celebration of his life starting at 2 p.m.
For more of this story, click on or type the URL below:
http://www.aliceechonews.com/articles/2010/04/23/obituaries/doc4bd200c975...
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Carolyn asks a couple of good questions (see below).
First, the 23 and me company is well established -- probably one of the leaders on DTC (Direct to Consumer) genetic tests for health purposes. It does not really support the ancestral tests very well.
Their tests are an autosomal tests.
Your DNA is located in two places within the cell.
1 - within the cell itself -- that is mtDNA which is the power generators for the cell.
2 - within the nucleus of the cell -- the 23 chromosomes that are the blueprint for your body and much of your health.
The mtDNA is passed from a mother to her children (both men and women). It is used for genealogical purposes to trace the maternal line.
The 23 chromosomes of the nuclear DNA are actually 23 pair -- or 46 chromosomes. One of those pair consists of the XX or XY chromosomes and determine whether you are female (XX) or male (XY).
The Y-chromosome is passed by a father to his sons. It is used in genealogy to trace the paternal line.
The other 45 chromosomes (including the X chromosome) are "autosomal" -- i.e. they determine how you are put together and, for this discussion, they come from both your parents. At conception, the egg and the sperm each contribute approximately 1/2 of each of the 45 chromosomes.
The 23 and me ancestral test (and the Family Tree DNA Family Finder) test use those 45 chromosomes -- the autosomal chromosomes -- to see how much of them you have in common with other people.
The approximate of DNA you get is:
2 parents -- 50% each
4 grandparents -- 25% each
8 great grandparents -- 12.5% each
16 2-g grandparents -- 6.25% each
.... and so on.
Autosomal DNA testing is great for determining paternity/maternity or for adoptees looking for their parents or cousins.
It is useful for finding cousins -- the advertising says up to 5th cousins (but admits it is very iffy with that much dilution of the autosomal DNA).
Its use to most genealogists would be to help find unknown cousins from other lines they haven't yet researched or discovered.
IOW, autosomal tests can help find recent relations. The mtDNA test, because the mtDNA mutates very slowly, can trace a line vary far back in time and is useful for deep ancestry tests. The Y-DNA has some aspects that mutate approximately once every 250 to 500 generations and enough of those can be brought together to make it useful for determining relationships within the last two generations (67 markers) out to hundreds of generations (the haplogroup).
This is why I wrote that -- for $99 -- the advantage of the test, in my opinion, is in having the health information.
If you are interested, please go to the 23 and me web site and read their information.
I cannot tell you much more about it -- I don't know much more than this. I have already had some autosomal tests done by FTDNA and the results were interesting (for example, I have some genes that accompany people with an average life span as opposed to those for people who have longer or shorter life spans). The health results can tell you if you carry tendencies to have certain health problems.
** Important -- the test results do not say you WILL have the problems, only that you MIGHT. Your life style has an effect on that -- but knowing what your genetic weaknesses are can help you be more careful in your life style choices.
Tom
At 05:18 PM 4/23/2010, you wrote:
>Tom,
>
>I agree with you 'recommendation' IF this is a 'reputable company'. Have you or someone you know used the services of "23andMe"??
>
>Would there be ANY genealogical use if I as a FEMALE get tested???
>
>Carolyn Cloud Stanley
>
>
>
>
>________________________________
>From: "tcloud(a)Rev17.com" <tcloud(a)Rev17.com>
>To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
>Sent: Fri, April 23, 2010 4:13:29 PM
>Subject: [CLOUD] 23 and me DNA special today only
>
>The complete DNA test package from 23 and me is normally $499 -- it is on sale today only for $99. That includes their ancestry and their health editions.
>http://www.23andme.com/
>
>The offer is at:
>https://www.23andme.com/store/
>
>This type of testing will not be part of our Cloud DNA Project -- but I recommend it at this price for the health reports alone.
>
>Tom
The complete DNA test package from 23 and me is normally $499 -- it is on sale today only for $99. That includes their ancestry and their health editions.
http://www.23andme.com/
The offer is at:
https://www.23andme.com/store/
This type of testing will not be part of our Cloud DNA Project -- but I recommend it at this price for the health reports alone.
Tom
Our friend and fellow researcher Gary Thomas Cloud died April 21.
Gary, Byron and I were the first people to join the Cloud DNA Project for our family branch -- Jeremiah Cloud (1784 GA -1861 TX).
Gary was an optometrist in Alice, Texas and an avid and meticulous researcher of the Cloud family. He had accumulated a wealth of information and had carefully documented all of it. My wife and I visited him in 2001 and had a very enjoyable visit. At that time he had begun to spend a lot of time operating a vision clinic in Mexico and had stopped answering email. I had to either call him or write him to let him know of the progress of the DNA project.
We will sincerely miss him.
Obit from the Houston Chronicle (courtesy of Byron Cloud):
Dr. Gary Cloud, passed away April 21, 2010. He is
survived by his ex-wife Jerry Boyer, sons Mark, Devon, Warren, and Jeremiah.
Funeral service will be at Knesek Funeral Home, 842 E. Main, Bellville,
Texas with burial to follow at Buckhorn Cemetery. A memorial service will
also be held at Ruben Garcia funeral Home, 120 E. Front St., Alice Tx at
Noon April 24, 2010.
Petition of Mary Cloud, wife of Adam Cloud; Natchez, Adams County, MS,
19th March 1795
Submitted by Houston Tracy, Jr.
Papeles Procedente de Isla Cuba
Records in the Archives of Seville, Spain relating to U.S. History in the
Spanish Provinces of Louisiana, Illinois and Florida Occidental [ West
Florida ]. Microfilm Edition.
Legajo (Bundle) 211-A, Folios 670-671
Natchez
Presented here, in exact context to the original text. Written in English.
Petition of Mary Cloud, wife of Adam Cloud; Natchez, 19th March 1795
To his Excellecy Don Manuel Gayoso de Lemos, Governor of the Natchez,
etc., etc.
The humble Petition & representation of Mary Cloud.
Your Petitioner having received your Excellency’s order to make
immediate preparation to leave his country, has thrown your Petitioner
into great distress, than can be easily be conceived even by your
Excellency’s sympathizing mind. ----- A lone woman, unacustomed to
difficultys and distress, thrown upon the world with four infants hanging
round her, her husband torn from her by designing evil and false
accusations. In this situation, and indeed it is but a faint
representation, your Petitioner flatters herself she shall have some claim
upon your Excellency’s tender feelings, and that you will mitigate those
sorrows that can’t be relieved. Your Petitioner must state to your
Excellency, that there are a variety
of claims upon your Petitioners husband to adjust, settle and pay, and the
little property possessed by your Petitioners husband, is far from being
compact or easily disposed of. Your Excellency will please to offer your
Petitioner to enumerate some of the most material in order to justify the
requisition of your Petitioner intends to make in the close of this
Petition.
Those are to dispose of ----- The Plantation, Negroes, Stock,
Horses, Cattle now in the cains, Hogs, Farming Utensils, Household
Furniture ----- A Lott & House partly built in the New Town, with
materials yet unapply’d, a Quantity of Pickets and planks now upon the
bank of the River, intended for the New building, etc., etc.
When your Excellency takes a view of these matters, and reflects
upon them upon whom the difficulty of making these arrangements devolved,
sure I am that your Excellency will consider of impossible for your
Petitioner to complete this business in a less time than three months, as
hurrying a business of this Nature must in it’s conciousness be ruinous to
your Petitioner and her small helpless Family. Wherefore, your Petitioner
Prays, that your Excellency will give her three months at the least to
prepair for leaving the Country ----- and inform your Petitioner in what
manner she is to make titles to this property to be disposed of, which
will be a consideration of the first importance to a purchaser.
Your Petitioner has a case of very great delicacy to lay before your
Excellency and she trusts it will not be unattended to.
Sorry indeed your Petitioner is to say, she in pecuniary matters,
she considers herself and her family ruined, but that is not all her cruel
and barbarous Enemies have in view. They have endeavoured to stigmatise
the character of you Petitioners Husband, as a dishonest man and a Traitor
to his Country. Suffer your Petitioner therefore to obtain documents from
the most respected inhabitants of the Natchez touching the true character
of your Petitioners Husband, that he and his Family may leave this Country
without that infamous burden so injustly thrown upon them. Your
Petitioner prays for your Excellencys decree in full upon this her humble
Petition for her guide.
----- And as she is in duty bound she will ever pray, etc.
[signed] Mary Cloud
Hen Cloud [Old Cloud], Roaches, Peak District Nat'l Park, Staffordshire, near leeks. It is a clear view to, The Cloud, in Cheshire 5 or 6 miles away. Great for signal fires. Five Clouds is next to Hen Cloud.....Best to google Hen Cloud Roaches.
To understand what Old Cloud means to me, Google Hen Ogledd.
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