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Author: DJanness
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I am sad to have to post the death of my father James R. Cloud born 2/21/1910 in Pittsburg Co.Ok. to Edward M. and Emma Elizabeth Tedrick Cloud Died 10/27/2009 in Carrollton, Denton Co.Tx. Burial in Oakhill CemeteryMcAlester, ,Pittsburg co. Ok.
Sibling, Mabel,Dora,Douglas,Irene and one living brother.
this line of Clouds is from Peter Cloud,Peter Cloud ,and Isom Cloud.
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To: DJanness -- I am sorry to hear that you have had a recent death in your family. You mentioned that your
line of Clouds is from Peter Cloud,Peter Cloud ,and Isom Cloud. I am convinced that the Elizabeth Cloud in my line
(b. in the 1760s, NC) was connected in some way to an Isom Cloud. Elizabeth married Richard Bondurant in North
Carolina about 1889, and the couple are buried in Indiana. Could she be connected to your Isom Cloud. You can
write me at rsharp(a)csupomona.edu. Roberta
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To what family does Thomas Lynn CLOUD belong?
He died Aug. 5, 1967 at 26 years of age in Kingsport, Sullivan cty, TN. His parents were Mr. and Mrs. D.L. "Red" Cloud who lived at 2140 W. Sullivan St.
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Temple Cloud - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Temple Cloud (grid reference ST621580) is a village within the Chew Valley in Somerset in the Bath and North East Somerset Council area on the A37 road. ...
Government and politics - Demographics - Churchen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Cloud - Cached - Similar
king edward iii patent rolls 1329-1330, Lincoln. on complaint by robert darcy, knight, that john de lymbury, knight, philip de ounesby, edmund de lymbury,thomas bardot, john bardot, william aunsel, robert cloude, john cloude of birthorp, and others entered his manor of scot wylughby, co. lincoln, broke his house, and carried away timber and other goods.
Somerset Record Society - Google Books Result
1898 - Somerset (England)
Martin ; between Walter de la Haye and Cecilia his wife, ... a virgate and a quarter of a virgate of land, and ten acres of meadow in La Cloude and
Anyone know what family John CLOUD who married Ida B. PHILLIPS belongs to?
John was born 1907 and died December 1986 in Coeburn, Wise county, VA.
Ida was the daughter of Isaac PHILLIPS and Catherine DINSMORE. She was born 1910 in Virginia and died Nov. 1991 in Coeburn, Wise, VA.
thanks,
Tom Cloud
From: rcdc319(a)msn.com
To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: robert
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 03:31:50 +0000
A social history of England, 1200-1500 - Google Books Result
by Rosemary Horrox - 2006 - History - 514 pages
He was the descendant, moreover, of one Robert de Canley, who had tried to carve a manorial lordship for himself at Canley back in the thirteenth century. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0521783453...
richard de la [ from the] cloud is from robert of canley[ robert cloud]
> From: hogahl2(a)verizon.net
> To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2009 14:41:11 -0500
> Subject: Re: [CLOUD] robert
>
> I'm losing the thread here. Was it Robert Cloud (Robert de la Cloude?) who
> was the descendant of Robert de Canley?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cloud-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cloud-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf Of randy CLOUD
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:32 PM
> To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CLOUD] robert
>
>
> A social history of England, 1200-1500 - Google Books Result
> by Rosemary Horrox - 2006 - History - 514 pages
> He was the descendant, moreover, of one Robert de Canley, who had tried to
> carve a manorial lordship for himself at Canley back in the thirteenth
> century. ...
> books.google.com/books?isbn=0521783453...
>
> ===========================================
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I'm losing the thread here. Was it Robert Cloud (Robert de la Cloude?) who
was the descendant of Robert de Canley?
-----Original Message-----
From: cloud-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cloud-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of randy CLOUD
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2009 10:32 PM
To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CLOUD] robert
A social history of England, 1200-1500 - Google Books Result
by Rosemary Horrox - 2006 - History - 514 pages
He was the descendant, moreover, of one Robert de Canley, who had tried to
carve a manorial lordship for himself at Canley back in the thirteenth
century. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0521783453...
===========================================
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Join the Cloud Family Association
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A social history of England, 1200-1500 - Google Books Result
by Rosemary Horrox - 2006 - History - 514 pages
He was the descendant, moreover, of one Robert de Canley, who had tried to carve a manorial lordship for himself at Canley back in the thirteenth century. ...
books.google.com/books?isbn=0521783453...
Class conflict and the crisis of feudalism: essays in medieval ... - Google Books Result
by Rodney Howard Hilton - 1985 - History - 349 pages
... given by the king's ancestors to Stoneleigh Abbey had been alienated, ... a ploughland in Canley and Hurst in fee simple to Richard de la Cloude, ...
From: rcdc319(a)msn.com
To: rcdc319(a)msn.com
Subject:
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2009 02:49:42 +0000
think de la means from the
Lists and indexes - Google Books Result
by Great Britain. Public Record Office - 1906 - Business & Economics
The abbot and convent of Stoneleigh to grant a messuage and land in Stoneleigh to Richard de la Cloude. Henry atte Gore to settle land in Sittingbourne on ...
The history of Stoneleigh Abbey, states that there was a hermitage chaple at Cloud near Cloud bridge during the time of William The Conqueror and was burnt down by thieves, later. ALSO IN 1260 A.D. Robert Cloud of Stoneleigh tried to take the Lordship at Canly, but the King turned him down. A Master Thomas Cloud lived there at this time, in Canly.
> From: rcdc319(a)msn.com
> To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 22:39:48 +0000
> Subject: Re: [CLOUD] Mr. Cloude keeping Romish priest - 1678
>
>
> King Edward III Calendar of Patent Rolls.
>
> > From: hogahl2(a)verizon.net
> > To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
> > Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:42:13 -0500
> > Subject: Re: [CLOUD] Mr. Cloude keeping Romish priest - 1678
> >
> > What is the source of the 14th Century info. -- tax rolls?
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: cloud-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cloud-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> > Behalf Of randy CLOUD
> > Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 10:43 PM
> > To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CLOUD] Mr. Cloude keeping Romish priest - 1678
> >
> >
> > 1358, William Cloud, sometime abbot of Stoneleigh,Warwickshire, wife Iseult,
> > daughter of Henry Michel of Hurst and son Richard Cloud. During Edward the
> > III. William and Robert Cloud 1332 Warwickshire
> >
> > > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:58:41 -0600
> > > To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
> > > From: tcloud(a)austin.rr.com
> > > Subject: [CLOUD] Mr. Cloude keeping Romish priest - 1678
> > >
> > > House of Lords Journal Volume 13
> > > 14 November 1678
> > >
> > > L Mayor attends, about Sorocold's Complaint against him, for refusing to
> > grant a Warrant for apprehending a Priest
> > >
> > > The House being informed, "That the Lord Mayor of London was attending
> > their Lordships Pleasure at the Door," he was called in.
> > >
> > > And, being come to the Bar, the Lord Chancellor did let him know the
> > Information of William Serocold against him.
> > >
> > > To which his Lordship said, "That William Scrocold had told the Truth, but
> > not the whole Truth; for he did come to him for a Warrant to apprehend a
> > Romish Priest, but could not tell his Name; only told him, the Priest was at
> > one Mr. Cloud's House. His Lordship told Sorocold, he knew the Man very
> > well; and offered to send for him while Sorocold was present. And
> > accordingly he did send for Mr. Cloude; but Sorocold would not stay until he
> > came.
> > >
> > > "He knew Mr. Cloude to be a very honest Man, and of good Repute in the
> > City; and that he was now attending at the Door.
> > >
> > > "He humbly desired their Lordships to consider how much Business he is
> > under, in the Government of the City, in this Juncture of Time; and
> > expressed his Loyalty to the King and His Government, and the Religion of
> > the Church of England; and that he should make it his Business to have a
> > Care of the City."
> > >
> > > Sorocold to be reprehended.
> > >
> > > Then he being withdrawn; and the House having considered what the Lord
> > Mayor had said;
> > >
> > > He was called in again; and the Lord Chancellor, by the Direction of this
> > House, told him, "They did not intend he should have had the Trouble in this
> > busy Time to come in Person, but to have sent his Answer in Writing: That
> > they are very well satisfied with what he hath done in this Business; and
> > that the Lords look upon him as a Person that deserves Respect, for his Care
> > in the Government of the City; and give him Thanks for it."
> > >
> > > And further told him, "That William Sorocold had misrepresented his
> > Lordship to the House; for which he should have a Reprehension."
> > >
> > > And so his Lordship withdrew.
> > >
> > > Cloud examined, concerning a Priest lodging in his House.
> > >
> > > Then Mr. Clouds was called in; and asked, "Why he keeps a Chapel and a
> > Ramish Priest in his House?" He denied both.
> > >
> > > Being asked, "Of what Religion he was of?" He confessed, "He was a Roman
> > Catholic; but he was ready to take the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy."
> > >
> > > Hereupon the Lords made the ensuing Order:
> > >
> > > To have the Oaths tendered to him.
> > >
> > > "Whereas Mr. Cloude, of Broadstreete in London, appearing this Day at the
> > Bar, was examined by this House: It is ORDERED, by the Lords Spiritual and
> > Temporal in Parliament assembled, That the Commissioners for the City of
> > London authorized for that Purpose be, and are hereby, required to send for,
> > and tender the Oaths of Supremacy and Allegiance to, the said Mr. Cloude."
> > >
> > > ===========================================
> > > Share your Cloud family history here.
> > > Join the Cloud Family Association
> > > http://mykindred.com/cloud/
> > > (The Cloud Family Association was formed in 1978 by members of the Cloud
> > family.
> > > It is our family organization and it is not affiliated with any commercial
> > enterprise, or with rootsweb or Ancestry in any way.)
> > > -------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> > CLOUD-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in
> > the subject and the body of the message
> >
> > ===========================================
> > Share your Cloud family history here.
> > Join the Cloud Family Association
> > http://mykindred.com/cloud/
> > (The Cloud Family Association was formed in 1978 by members of the Cloud
> > family.
> > It is our family organization and it is not affiliated with any commercial
> > enterprise, or with rootsweb or Ancestry in any way.)
> > -------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> > CLOUD-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in
> > the subject and the body of the message
> >
> >
> >
> > ===========================================
> > Share your Cloud family history here.
> > Join the Cloud Family Association
> > http://mykindred.com/cloud/
> > (The Cloud Family Association was formed in 1978 by members of the Cloud family.
> > It is our family organization and it is not affiliated with any commercial enterprise, or with rootsweb or Ancestry in any way.)
> > -------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOUD-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>
> ===========================================
> Share your Cloud family history here.
> Join the Cloud Family Association
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> It is our family organization and it is not affiliated with any commercial enterprise, or with rootsweb or Ancestry in any way.)
> -------------------------------
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King Edward III Calendar of Patent Rolls.
> From: hogahl2(a)verizon.net
> To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
> Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2009 16:42:13 -0500
> Subject: Re: [CLOUD] Mr. Cloude keeping Romish priest - 1678
>
> What is the source of the 14th Century info. -- tax rolls?
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cloud-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cloud-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf Of randy CLOUD
> Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 10:43 PM
> To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLOUD] Mr. Cloude keeping Romish priest - 1678
>
>
> 1358, William Cloud, sometime abbot of Stoneleigh,Warwickshire, wife Iseult,
> daughter of Henry Michel of Hurst and son Richard Cloud. During Edward the
> III. William and Robert Cloud 1332 Warwickshire
>
> > Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:58:41 -0600
> > To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
> > From: tcloud(a)austin.rr.com
> > Subject: [CLOUD] Mr. Cloude keeping Romish priest - 1678
> >
> > House of Lords Journal Volume 13
> > 14 November 1678
> >
> > L Mayor attends, about Sorocold's Complaint against him, for refusing to
> grant a Warrant for apprehending a Priest
> >
> > The House being informed, "That the Lord Mayor of London was attending
> their Lordships Pleasure at the Door," he was called in.
> >
> > And, being come to the Bar, the Lord Chancellor did let him know the
> Information of William Serocold against him.
> >
> > To which his Lordship said, "That William Scrocold had told the Truth, but
> not the whole Truth; for he did come to him for a Warrant to apprehend a
> Romish Priest, but could not tell his Name; only told him, the Priest was at
> one Mr. Cloud's House. His Lordship told Sorocold, he knew the Man very
> well; and offered to send for him while Sorocold was present. And
> accordingly he did send for Mr. Cloude; but Sorocold would not stay until he
> came.
> >
> > "He knew Mr. Cloude to be a very honest Man, and of good Repute in the
> City; and that he was now attending at the Door.
> >
> > "He humbly desired their Lordships to consider how much Business he is
> under, in the Government of the City, in this Juncture of Time; and
> expressed his Loyalty to the King and His Government, and the Religion of
> the Church of England; and that he should make it his Business to have a
> Care of the City."
> >
> > Sorocold to be reprehended.
> >
> > Then he being withdrawn; and the House having considered what the Lord
> Mayor had said;
> >
> > He was called in again; and the Lord Chancellor, by the Direction of this
> House, told him, "They did not intend he should have had the Trouble in this
> busy Time to come in Person, but to have sent his Answer in Writing: That
> they are very well satisfied with what he hath done in this Business; and
> that the Lords look upon him as a Person that deserves Respect, for his Care
> in the Government of the City; and give him Thanks for it."
> >
> > And further told him, "That William Sorocold had misrepresented his
> Lordship to the House; for which he should have a Reprehension."
> >
> > And so his Lordship withdrew.
> >
> > Cloud examined, concerning a Priest lodging in his House.
> >
> > Then Mr. Clouds was called in; and asked, "Why he keeps a Chapel and a
> Ramish Priest in his House?" He denied both.
> >
> > Being asked, "Of what Religion he was of?" He confessed, "He was a Roman
> Catholic; but he was ready to take the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy."
> >
> > Hereupon the Lords made the ensuing Order:
> >
> > To have the Oaths tendered to him.
> >
> > "Whereas Mr. Cloude, of Broadstreete in London, appearing this Day at the
> Bar, was examined by this House: It is ORDERED, by the Lords Spiritual and
> Temporal in Parliament assembled, That the Commissioners for the City of
> London authorized for that Purpose be, and are hereby, required to send for,
> and tender the Oaths of Supremacy and Allegiance to, the said Mr. Cloude."
> >
> > ===========================================
> > Share your Cloud family history here.
> > Join the Cloud Family Association
> > http://mykindred.com/cloud/
> > (The Cloud Family Association was formed in 1978 by members of the Cloud
> family.
> > It is our family organization and it is not affiliated with any commercial
> enterprise, or with rootsweb or Ancestry in any way.)
> > -------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CLOUD-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in
> the subject and the body of the message
>
> ===========================================
> Share your Cloud family history here.
> Join the Cloud Family Association
> http://mykindred.com/cloud/
> (The Cloud Family Association was formed in 1978 by members of the Cloud
> family.
> It is our family organization and it is not affiliated with any commercial
> enterprise, or with rootsweb or Ancestry in any way.)
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CLOUD-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in
> the subject and the body of the message
>
>
>
> ===========================================
> Share your Cloud family history here.
> Join the Cloud Family Association
> http://mykindred.com/cloud/
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What is the source of the 14th Century info. -- tax rolls?
-----Original Message-----
From: cloud-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:cloud-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf Of randy CLOUD
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2009 10:43 PM
To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLOUD] Mr. Cloude keeping Romish priest - 1678
1358, William Cloud, sometime abbot of Stoneleigh,Warwickshire, wife Iseult,
daughter of Henry Michel of Hurst and son Richard Cloud. During Edward the
III. William and Robert Cloud 1332 Warwickshire
> Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2009 15:58:41 -0600
> To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
> From: tcloud(a)austin.rr.com
> Subject: [CLOUD] Mr. Cloude keeping Romish priest - 1678
>
> House of Lords Journal Volume 13
> 14 November 1678
>
> L Mayor attends, about Sorocold's Complaint against him, for refusing to
grant a Warrant for apprehending a Priest
>
> The House being informed, "That the Lord Mayor of London was attending
their Lordships Pleasure at the Door," he was called in.
>
> And, being come to the Bar, the Lord Chancellor did let him know the
Information of William Serocold against him.
>
> To which his Lordship said, "That William Scrocold had told the Truth, but
not the whole Truth; for he did come to him for a Warrant to apprehend a
Romish Priest, but could not tell his Name; only told him, the Priest was at
one Mr. Cloud's House. His Lordship told Sorocold, he knew the Man very
well; and offered to send for him while Sorocold was present. And
accordingly he did send for Mr. Cloude; but Sorocold would not stay until he
came.
>
> "He knew Mr. Cloude to be a very honest Man, and of good Repute in the
City; and that he was now attending at the Door.
>
> "He humbly desired their Lordships to consider how much Business he is
under, in the Government of the City, in this Juncture of Time; and
expressed his Loyalty to the King and His Government, and the Religion of
the Church of England; and that he should make it his Business to have a
Care of the City."
>
> Sorocold to be reprehended.
>
> Then he being withdrawn; and the House having considered what the Lord
Mayor had said;
>
> He was called in again; and the Lord Chancellor, by the Direction of this
House, told him, "They did not intend he should have had the Trouble in this
busy Time to come in Person, but to have sent his Answer in Writing: That
they are very well satisfied with what he hath done in this Business; and
that the Lords look upon him as a Person that deserves Respect, for his Care
in the Government of the City; and give him Thanks for it."
>
> And further told him, "That William Sorocold had misrepresented his
Lordship to the House; for which he should have a Reprehension."
>
> And so his Lordship withdrew.
>
> Cloud examined, concerning a Priest lodging in his House.
>
> Then Mr. Clouds was called in; and asked, "Why he keeps a Chapel and a
Ramish Priest in his House?" He denied both.
>
> Being asked, "Of what Religion he was of?" He confessed, "He was a Roman
Catholic; but he was ready to take the Oaths of Allegiance and Supremacy."
>
> Hereupon the Lords made the ensuing Order:
>
> To have the Oaths tendered to him.
>
> "Whereas Mr. Cloude, of Broadstreete in London, appearing this Day at the
Bar, was examined by this House: It is ORDERED, by the Lords Spiritual and
Temporal in Parliament assembled, That the Commissioners for the City of
London authorized for that Purpose be, and are hereby, required to send for,
and tender the Oaths of Supremacy and Allegiance to, the said Mr. Cloude."
>
> ===========================================
> Share your Cloud family history here.
> Join the Cloud Family Association
> http://mykindred.com/cloud/
> (The Cloud Family Association was formed in 1978 by members of the Cloud
family.
> It is our family organization and it is not affiliated with any commercial
enterprise, or with rootsweb or Ancestry in any way.)
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
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This is the man from the article:
Hermann Friedrich Cloedt (Cloet, Clough, Cloute, Clowte, Clut), Captain, governor of Neuss
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hermann_Friedrich_Cloedt
He was born ca 1555 near Werl, a town in the district of Soest in North Rhine-Westphalia, Germany. He served Henry III's army in France as a mercenary and ended up at Neuss, not far from where he was born.
Neuss (Neuse, Nus, Nutz, Nuys), is on the Rhine river.
The event -- "the destruction of Neuss" was part of the Cologne War:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destruction_of_Neuss_%28July_1586%29
At 04:05 PM 12/20/2009, you wrote:
>This is interesting to me -- some believe the CLOUD surname may have originally been CLOET. I found where the spelling might also be CLOUTE, which is phonetically similar to CLOUD.
>
>Calendar of State Papers Foreign, Elizabeth, Volume 21, Part 2
>Sophie Crawford Lomas and Allen B. Hinds (editors)
>published 1927
>
>21 July 1586, 21-31
... snip
>"This day came the news of the loss of Neuss (Nuic), won by assault with great slaughter of the enemy, to the number as it is said, of three thousand ; all within put to the sword. Bravely defended by the governor, one M. Cloet (Cloute)
This is interesting to me -- some believe the CLOUD surname may have originally been CLOET. I found where the spelling might also be CLOUTE, which is phonetically similar to CLOUD.
Calendar of State Papers Foreign, Elizabeth, Volume 21, Part 2
Sophie Crawford Lomas and Allen B. Hinds (editors)
published 1927
21 July 1586, 21-31
SIR T. CECIL to BURGHLEY.
"If our resolutions from hence ripen no faster than they have done in the answering the Instructions I delivered unto his Excellency and the Estates at my first coming, I fear we shall not conclude many things in one summer," and lest there might be thought slackness in me, I beseech you to let her Majesty know that besides the overture of them by word of mouth, they have had them in writing these three weeks, but they now promise answer within three days. A letter from divers of her Majesty's Council (with your hand to it) and one from yourself, both dated the 24th of last month, were given me by his Excellency on the 17th of this. They contained nothing more than her Majesty's commands that I should use some comfortable speeches to certain of the burgomasters and persons of best quality in the chief towns, a thing that will avail little .... At my first coming, by his Excellency's advice, I used the like to the States themselves ; but neither her Majesty's fair words nor m!
ild reprehensions will cure the cause ; it must be strokes that will end it. "The people grow weary of their long burdens.... ; of the enemy they are solicited with as fair words and promises as her Majesty giveth them, and.... unless God give us this summer some great victory, I fear by Michaelmas the whole cause will grow desperate. His Excellency now intendeth to go again into the field. I would we had not come out of the field, and then I think we had lost fewer towns than we have by two and won more credit both at our enemy's hands and of our friends." The rendezvous is appointed at "Ameron," ten English miles from Utrecht. "This day came the news of the loss of Neuss (Nuic), won by assault with great slaughter of the enemy, to the number as it is said, of three thousand ; all within put to the sword. Bravely defended by the governor, one M. Cloet (Cloute) but evil relieved by us. Our affairs here be such as that which we conclude over night is broken in the morning ;.!
... we are divided in many factions, so as if the enemy were a!
s strong
as we are factious and unresolute, I think we should make shipwreck of the cause this summer." I have agreed that his Excellency shall draw 350 brave men out of the Brill. He saw them, to his great liking, at his being there with me on the 16th when he tarried a night and viewed the defects of the town ; but I hope for little remedying of them. He means to write to her Majesty for ordnance from England, but how soon that will be, your lordship best knows. As for the changing of my government for Harlingen, I am resolved to keep the Brill, "as one that would keep rather a shrew he knoweth than a shrew he knoweth not," for Harlingen has the self same defects in respect of the haven, and as his Excellency means to draw this service nearer Flanders, Harlingen would be to no service for it. Lord North is now governor of it. I am promised by his Excellency the government of the two Islands her Majesty wrote for. I am preparing to go into the field both with my horse and foot-band!
. His Excellency is supplying the place of those he has taken out of the Brill by some of those who came last, or I could not have weakened my charge, especially at this time. The Hague, 21 July. Postscript. "This gentleman [added by Burghley, Mr. Saunders] hath made me much beholding unto him. I beseech you let him understand that I have written so much." Holograph. Add. Endd. by Burghley. 2 pp. [Holland IX. 43.]