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Cousins,
New data has been received from the dna project. As usual, you can see it at:
http://mykindred.com/cloud/dna/results/cdnareport.php
I am working on a different, and hopefully better, way to show the data. A preview can be seen at:
http://mykindred.com/cloud/dna/results/pedchart.php
This last page is a work-in-progress. There are no links to it from anywhere else -- the link in this email is the only one that is "public".
Let me explain what you will see there:
- there is a descendant / pedigree chart of all the project participants. I prefer to call this a pedigree chart, because it starts with each participant and tracks his ancestry; finds the common ancestors and puts them together.
- to the far right are two tables
1 - estimated distance in generations (30 years / generation)
2 - mutations which have occurred (this is what has always been shown on the first page above, except this new version omits markers which have not changed to make it easier to study).
- The pedigree portion has little numbers in the upper left corners and just before the distance table. Those numbers represent
- the age of the father at the birth of this son (upper left numbers)
- average age of father for this line is shown at the end of each line. This is the number of years per generation for that line.
I've included that because it was thought they may prove to be of some significance at a later time. I don't know that those numbers will ever mean anything useful to our evaluation of the data -- for the time being, they're just freebies.
I don't think you'll be able to print the entire page from your browser. If you want to try, you can tell your browser to print background colors:
http://mykindred.com/cloud/dna/results/cdnaprint.htm
I have converted the document to pdf also. That will allow you to print it more easily than from a regular web page.
http://mykindred.com/cloud/dna/results/pedchart-pdf.php
..........
Some things to note:
I am not able at the present to move people up or down on the chart. The software I wrote automatically positions people by their date of birth and it's going to take me awhile to add the ability to rearrange certain lines.
For example, the single-descendant of Isom Cloud (kit #56909), and the two kits in the one line below it, descendants of William and Elisha (kits #33774 and 41880), need to be repositioned to the bottom of the report, as their large genetic distances indicate they belong in a different grouping. It might help to keep that in mind while trying to make some sense of all of this.
What sort of things might you be looking for? One thing is to try to determine where the mutation(s) took place that distinguish one branch from the others.
My main interest, naturally, lies in the line of "my" Jeremiah (1784-1861). I note that All of Jeremiah's descendants share one common mutation difference from the majority of the rest of the bunch at the second marker -- DYS391 -- which has shifted from a modal value of 11 to 10. We have six kits from this line, with four of Jeremiah's sons being represented. This DYS391 marker being the same for all of us makes me believe the mutation occurred either with Jeremiah or with one of his ancestors.
All the lines of Joseph Cloud and Nancy (?Moore?) share two common mutations -- one at DYS389-1 and another at DYS607. There is only one other mutation in that line, a red (faster mutating) marker -- DYS464-d -- for kit # 39341. That line looks pretty solid to me -- but than I'm no expert!
I can't be of much help interpreting this. I'm learning, and some things make more sense than before, but I still have a lot of questions.
For example -- Byron is my closest cousin in the project. These are kits 32728 and 39755. But look at the distance -- it shows a 50% chance of us sharing a common ancestor within the last 12 generations (we share a great-great grandfather). Now look over at the actual mutations. He and I differ by two mutations -- one each at GATAH4 and DYS607. (The markers with red backgrounds are known to mutate faster than the others, but the two Byron and I differ by are the slower ones -- implying more generations before a common ancestor.) How do we explain that? Perhaps we need to re-test at least one, or maybe two, of our subjects to verify the integrity of the results we've received.
To my untrained eye, our overall line also looks pretty good -- if you're willing to accept a higher-than-normal mutation rate. (Keep in mind that the dna results produce probabilities, and these probabilities are also influenced by other data like family records, common surnames, oral family history, etc.)
I'm sure I've forgotten something.
Write if you have any questions -- maybe you'll point something out we've not considered before. Also, please see if you can convince (or help) someone from other branches to join the project.
thanks,
Tom Cloud
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Surnames: Henderson
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YNJ.2ACIB/718.2
Message Board Post:
Hi, I have a greatgrandfather Rufus Henderson who served in the civil war, He left Tennesse in the 9th cavalry for Tennesse. He also had a brother Joseph W. Henderson who also served in the civil war. I suspose its possible they were conversing in letters. Greatgrandfatehr was bornin 1833 in either sevier Tennesse, or Jefferson Tennesee. If you think I can help let me know.
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Oh my gosh how funny to see my sisters name on your post. Kim and Sherry are my half sisters; our Dad is James Cloud. I would be happy to pass along this info to Kim. You can email me for more personal information. DonnaCloud
Tom,
thanks for the suggestion -- I'll probably do that
Tom
At 08:28 AM 9/11/2006, you wrote:
>
>Hi Tom:
>
>A statement like the following might be a good tag line for
>_Cloud(a)rootsweb.com_ (mailto:Cloud@rootsweb.com) messages: "You may go to
>_http://mykindred.com/cloud/_ (http://mykindred.com/cloud/) for more Cloud Family data."
>
>Tom King, Sr. near
>Leesburg, VA
>-------------------------------------------
> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:17:10 -0500
>From: Tom Cloud <tcloud(a)austin.rr.com>
>Subject: [CLOUD] change in email list software and in tag line
>To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
>Message-ID:
><6.2.0.14.2.20060910125151.01d6de98(a)pop-server.austin.rr.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>Dear list members,
>
>Please take a minute to read this.
>
>Most of you are aware that we have undergone a change in the server software
>for our list. The effect of this has been minimal -- at least to you. As
>administrator, the changes are a little more noticeable and some things still
>need to be worked out (in the administration interface).
>
>One thing that has changed is the address you use to send messages to the
>list. You used to have to include the letter "L" in the address, but no more:
>old address: cloud-L(a)rootsweb.com
>new address: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
>
>Another thing that has changed -- we used to have the option of having up to
>ten "tag" lines that were placed at the bottom of each email. Those tag
>lines rotated with each new email. Now we can only have one.
>
>Please help me with the tag line -- and please tell me when I make a mistake
>on it (as a misspelled word -- affiliated -- was just there).
>
>Not everyone on this list is a member of the Cloud Family Association -- and
>they don't need to be to participate in any rootsweb service.
>
>I was not a member of CFA when I undertook the duties of this list, but I
>added a notice about the Association anyway. I felt that it was a very
>worthwhile group to be associated with, and I still do.
>
>Regarding the tag line -- I want for current list members, and for those who
>join in the future, to not be turned away due to the CFA being mentioned in
>the tag line. I also don't want for people to get the false impression that
>CFA and rootsweb are connected in any manner.
>
>This issue arises because I have had some (few) people object to the list
>(and to the rootsweb bulletin board) because they had heard that their
>genealogical information was being taken and then sold for profit. They also
>apparently felt that the CFA was part of this. (Please note that rootsweb has
>always been a volunteer organization and has never sold any genealogical
>information ... it became too big for volunteers to run and was sold to ancestry.com
>.... but many of its features have remained free, such as this list and the
>bulletin board ... and no genealogical information submitted here is harvested
>by either rootsweb or ancestry and resold for profit.)
>
>I apologize for causing any confusion to anyone in that regard.
>
>Since we only have one tag line available, the message there becomes more
>precious. I don't want it to be lengthy, and I want it to be useful. (The
>bottom message about how to unsubscribe is added by rootsweb and I have no
>control over it.)
>
>The tag line, as I now have it, reads:
>
>"===========================================
>Share your Cloud family history here.
>Join the Cloud Family Association
>http://mykindred.com/cloud/
>(The Cloud Family Association was formed in 1978 by members of the Cloud
>family.
>It is our family organization and it is not affiliated with any commercial
>enterprise, or with rootsweb or Ancestry in any way.)"
>
>.... but I really think it could be worded better, especially the phrase "It
>is our family organization..." I cannot say it is a non-profit organization
>(even though that is true) because it does not yet have that official
>designation with the IRS.
>
>I would appreciate any suggestions you might offer for what should be in the
>tag line.
>
>sincerely,
>Tom Cloud
>Cloud email list administrator
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
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>End of CLOUD Digest, Vol 1, Issue 16
>************************************
>
>
>
>
>===========================================
> Share your Cloud family history here.
> Join the Cloud Family Association
> http://mykindred.com/cloud/
>(The Cloud Family Association was formed in 1978 by members of the Cloud family.
>It is our family organization and it is not affiliated with any commercial enterprise, or with rootsweb or Ancestry in any way.)
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Surnames: Harris, Cloud, Witt
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/an/YNJ.2ACIB/943
Message Board Post:
Jerry Lee Harris is the son of Kennon Lee Harris and Mania Lou Cloud
Obit on Gerald Lee Harris
Gerald L. Harris, ex-National City city councilman
Services for former City Councilman Gerald L. Harris, 65, of National City, will be at 10 a.m. tomorrow in El Camino Chapel in El Camino Memorial Park. National City Mayor Kile Morgan will give the eulogy. Heath Funeral Home is in charge. He died Tuesday in a convalescent
hospital.
Mr. Harris, a native of Okolona, Ark., was a county resident for 45 years. A real estate broker, he owned Jerry Harris Realty in National City for many years. He was a charter member of the National City Exchange Club, a past president of the South Bay Board
of Realtors and the National City Chamber of Commerce, a member of the National City Traffic Safety Committee for 23 years and a Kiwanian.
While a National City councilman from 1966 to 1968, he led successful campaigns to have a Navy firefighting school moved out of National City and to develop the Mile of Cars.
Survivors include his wife, Elaine; two sons, Ronald, of San Diego, and Paul, of Spring Valley; two daughters, Judi Rubesh of La Mesa and Karen Cartmill of San Francisco; two brothers, Charles, of Odessa, Texas, and William, of Colorado City, Texas; a sister, Sarah Witt of Mobile, Ala.; and five grandchildren.
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Surnames: Cloud, Harris
Classification: Query
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Message Board Post:
Our line of Cloud is Mania Lou married to Kennon Lee Harris, both of Okolona (my husbands great grandparents). I was wondering if Mania's legal name is Mania or Maria? Where did the name Mania come from or is it a spelling error? Thanks!
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Message Board Post:
Hi Don, yes, they are from Okolona. I just actually joined the Cloud Assoc. Still trying to find more on the Harris side. Thanks so much for your reply!
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Surnames: CLOUD
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
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Message Board Post:
Edgewood Cemetery is located on Gallaher View Road, west Knox County, TN. The following Clouds are buried in the cemetery.
Annie Cloud, 1875-Feb., 1938 (adjacent to marker for George W. Cloud)
Arthur Ashley Cloud, 12/4/1902-4/23/1972
Clara J. Cloud, 10/23/1883-4/25/1982 (adjacent to marker for Elbert Pat Cloud)
Clarence Cloud, 10/17/1908-4/16/1975/Eva Mae Cloud, 1/2/1913-Oct., 1983.
David Edwin Cloud, 8/26/1954-4/25/1989
Elbert Pat Cloud, 8/4/1880-5/19/1954
Emma B. Cloud, 1/18/1903-11/12/1990/William L. Cloud, 10/5/1897-3/25/1978 (military marker, "William Lonzo Cloud, Tennessee CM3 US Navy World War II")
George W. Cloud, 9/14/1877-1/16/1949
Glen Cloud, 9/21/1904-12/26/1939
Henry Cloud, 2/12/1872-1/9/1955
Margaret W. Cloud, 3/1/1904-5/18/1966 (adjacent to marker for Arthur Ashley Cloud)
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Surnames: CLOUD/CHILDRESS
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
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Message Board Post:
Tennessee V. (unknown) born in TN in 1870 married Linley R. Childress in 1888. Linley Childress was born in TN in 1857. He was a farmer in the 7th District of Knox County, TN. The couple had 8 children: Otto b. 1896, Nora b. 1898, Mary E. b. 1900, Ruby C. b. 1902, Fred W. b. 1905, Frances (daughter) b. 1904, Irene b. 1909 and Clarence b. 1915. Linley died ca. 1916-17. Tennessee and her children still lived in west Knox County, TN in 1930.
Eva Mae (unknown) born in TN 2nd Jan., 1913 married Clarence Cloud born in TN 17th Oct., 1908. Date of marriage unknown. Clarence was son of Henry and Annie (unknown) Cloud. Henry Cloud was born in TN in 1878. Annie was born in TN in 1880. Henry and Annie married in 1896. They lived in the 4th Civil District, west Knox County, TN. They had two known children, William b. 1897 and Clarence b. 1907. Henry was a steam driller in a Knox County marble quarry.
Clarence Cloud died 16th April, 1975. Eva Mae died Oct., 1983. Both are buried in the Edgewood Cemetery, Gallaher View Road, west Knox County, TN.
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Message Board Post:
Hi, I am looking for my Grandmother's sisters family(daughter) from Knoxville, Tennessee area. The daughter's name was Mae Cloud. I was told yesterday she passed away in the late 70's or early 80's. Mae had lived on Hill Road on the Oak Ridge Hwy. when alive. Mae had a daughter, named Patsy. Mae's mothers maiden name was Tennessee Childress. I am sorry that I don't have dates available at this time but if someone happens to be familiar with the name (Tennessee Childress) and knows the whereabouts of her family will you please contact me. I saw on your site an officer of your group was Ray Shirley, of Knoxville, will you please pass the information on to him. Thank you for your time. Susan Russell
Hi Tom:
A statement like the following might be a good tag line for
_Cloud(a)rootsweb.com_ (mailto:Cloud@rootsweb.com) messages: "You may go to
_http://mykindred.com/cloud/_ (http://mykindred.com/cloud/) for more Cloud Family data."
Tom King, Sr. near
Leesburg, VA
-------------------------------------------
Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 13:17:10 -0500
From: Tom Cloud <tcloud(a)austin.rr.com>
Subject: [CLOUD] change in email list software and in tag line
To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
Message-ID:
<6.2.0.14.2.20060910125151.01d6de98(a)pop-server.austin.rr.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Dear list members,
Please take a minute to read this.
Most of you are aware that we have undergone a change in the server software
for our list. The effect of this has been minimal -- at least to you. As
administrator, the changes are a little more noticeable and some things still
need to be worked out (in the administration interface).
One thing that has changed is the address you use to send messages to the
list. You used to have to include the letter "L" in the address, but no more:
old address: cloud-L(a)rootsweb.com
new address: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
Another thing that has changed -- we used to have the option of having up to
ten "tag" lines that were placed at the bottom of each email. Those tag
lines rotated with each new email. Now we can only have one.
Please help me with the tag line -- and please tell me when I make a mistake
on it (as a misspelled word -- affiliated -- was just there).
Not everyone on this list is a member of the Cloud Family Association -- and
they don't need to be to participate in any rootsweb service.
I was not a member of CFA when I undertook the duties of this list, but I
added a notice about the Association anyway. I felt that it was a very
worthwhile group to be associated with, and I still do.
Regarding the tag line -- I want for current list members, and for those who
join in the future, to not be turned away due to the CFA being mentioned in
the tag line. I also don't want for people to get the false impression that
CFA and rootsweb are connected in any manner.
This issue arises because I have had some (few) people object to the list
(and to the rootsweb bulletin board) because they had heard that their
genealogical information was being taken and then sold for profit. They also
apparently felt that the CFA was part of this. (Please note that rootsweb has
always been a volunteer organization and has never sold any genealogical
information ... it became too big for volunteers to run and was sold to ancestry.com
.... but many of its features have remained free, such as this list and the
bulletin board ... and no genealogical information submitted here is harvested
by either rootsweb or ancestry and resold for profit.)
I apologize for causing any confusion to anyone in that regard.
Since we only have one tag line available, the message there becomes more
precious. I don't want it to be lengthy, and I want it to be useful. (The
bottom message about how to unsubscribe is added by rootsweb and I have no
control over it.)
The tag line, as I now have it, reads:
"===========================================
Share your Cloud family history here.
Join the Cloud Family Association
http://mykindred.com/cloud/
(The Cloud Family Association was formed in 1978 by members of the Cloud
family.
It is our family organization and it is not affiliated with any commercial
enterprise, or with rootsweb or Ancestry in any way.)"
.... but I really think it could be worded better, especially the phrase "It
is our family organization..." I cannot say it is a non-profit organization
(even though that is true) because it does not yet have that official
designation with the IRS.
I would appreciate any suggestions you might offer for what should be in the
tag line.
sincerely,
Tom Cloud
Cloud email list administrator
------------------------------
To contact the CLOUD list administrator, send an email to
CLOUD-admin(a)rootsweb.com.
To post a message to the CLOUD mailing list, send an email to
CLOUD(a)rootsweb.com.
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CLOUD-request(a)rootsweb.com
with the word "unsubscribe" without the quotes in the subject and the body
of the
email with no additional text.
End of CLOUD Digest, Vol 1, Issue 16
************************************
Dear list members,
Please take a minute to read this.
Most of you are aware that we have undergone a change in the server software for our list. The effect of this has been minimal -- at least to you. As administrator, the changes are a little more noticeable and some things still need to be worked out (in the administration interface).
One thing that has changed is the address you use to send messages to the list. You used to have to include the letter "L" in the address, but no more:
old address: cloud-L(a)rootsweb.com
new address: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
Another thing that has changed -- we used to have the option of having up to ten "tag" lines that were placed at the bottom of each email. Those tag lines rotated with each new email. Now we can only have one.
Please help me with the tag line -- and please tell me when I make a mistrake on it (as a misspelled word -- affilited -- was just there).
Not everyone on this list is a member of the Cloud Family Association -- and they don't need to be to participate in any rootsweb service.
I was not a member of CFA when I undertook the duties of this list, but I added a notice about the Association anyway. I felt that it was a very worthwhile group to be associated with, and I still do.
Regarding the tag line -- I want for current list members, and for those who join in the future, to not be turned away due to the CFA being mentioned in the tag line. I also don't want for people to get the false impression that CFA and rootsweb are connected in any manner.
This issue arises because I have had some (few) people object to the list (and to the rootsweb bulletin board) because they had heard that their genealogical information was being taken and then sold for profit. They also apparently felt that the CFA was part of this. (Please note that rootsweb has always been a volunteer organization and has never sold any genealogical information ... it became too big for volunteers to run and was sold to ancestry.com .... but many of its features have remained free, such as this list and the bulletin board ... and no genealogical information submitted here is harvested by either rootsweb or ancestry and resold for profit.)
I apologize for causing any confusion to anyone in that regard.
Since we only have one tag line available, the message there becomes more precious. I don't want it to be lengthy, and I want it to be useful. (The bottom message about how to unsubscribe is added by rootsweb and I have no control over it.)
The tag line, as I now have it, reads:
"===========================================
Share your Cloud family history here.
Join the Cloud Family Association
http://mykindred.com/cloud/
(The Cloud Family Association was formed in 1978 by members of the Cloud family.
It is our family organization and it is not affiliated with any commercial enterprise, or with rootsweb or Ancestry in any way.)"
.... but I really think it could be worded better, especially the phrase "It is our family organization..." I cannot say it is a non-profit organization (even though that is true) because it does not yet have that official designation with the IRS.
I would appreciate any suggestions you might offer for what should be in the tag line.
sincerely,
Tom Cloud
Cloud email list administrator
> Date: Sun, 10 Sep 2006 6:29:17 -0700
> From: <bulla>
> To: cloud(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [CLOUD] New e-mail address
>
> Please note--a new e-mail address as our server has changed.
>
> appliginn(a)newwavecomm.net
>
> We really want to stay on your list.
>
> Thanks
>
> ===========================================
> Share your Cloud family history here.
> Join the Cloud Family Association
> http://mykindred.com/cloud/
> (the Cloud Family Association was formed in 1978 by members of the Cloud family.
> It is our family's organization and it is not affilited with any commercial enterprise, or with rootsweb or Ancestry in any way)
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLOUD-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
Harry,
If I understand you correctly, I agree. I held in my hand and made a copy of
the marriage record of Benjamin F. Cloud b. 1926 married to Nancy
[Middleton]. I will have to get out the record but I believe the clerk of Clairborne
County, TN at the time was Benjamin F. Cloud b. 1810.
Ron Wilson
Ray-- I didn't recall that, but after sending the post yesterday, I pondered
over that CFJ excerpt from the G. A. Directory and came to the same
conclusion that I think you are suggesting. This directory was apparently
compiled by a commission established in the 1965-1975 range, and the people
who did it were working from the sources indicated. I think they got just
as comfused as many Cloud researchers have over all the Benjamins and Benj.
F. Clouds in Claiborne Co. at that time. Going back to the family history
written by Alexander Moore Cloud for the Tazewell newspaper (when was it?
in the 1920s?), I find that he makes no mention whatever of his father's
having a second wife or that Carrick and Mary E. were only half-siblings.
He may have written a lot of nonsense about his early Cloud ancestors, but I
think we can rely on what he had to say about his own iommediate family.
Further, Jan compiled census data from 1850 to 1900 on the Benj. F. Cloud
who was born in 1826 and whose wife was without doubt named "Nancy."
This directory, which on its face would appear to most people to be in
unimpeachable source, is clearly wrong on this entry, for my money. They
found that marriage record of May 1850 and just jumped to the conclusion
that it referred to the same Benj. F. Then, they assigned those children
born after that date to the new wife. Researchers be wary! Harry
----- Original Message -----
From: "RAYMOND SHIRLEY SR." <rshirley(a)icx.net>
To: <cloud(a)rootsweb.com>; <CLOUD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 07, 2006 5:01 PM
Subject: Re: [CLOUD] Benj. F. Cloud (1802-1880)
> Harry,
>
> You may not remember, but I sent a copy of the Tennessee General Assembly
> biography to you several years ago. I have the book in my library. The
> book was published in 1975 by the Tennessee State Library and Archives and
> the Tennessee Historical Commission. The sources for Benjamin's biography
> are: Goodspeed, "History of Claiborne County"; Moore, "Records of
> Commissions of Officers"; Claiborne County Cemetery Records; Claiborne
> County Marriage Records, Vol. II, 1838-1850 and U.S. Census, 1850 & 1870,
> Claiborne County.
>
> Ray Shirley
> rshirley(a)icx.net
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: Harry Hogan <hogahl(a)starpower.net>
>> To: <CLOUD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Date: 9/7/2006 11:45:53 AM
>> Subject: [CLOUD] Benj. F. Cloud (1802-1880)
>>
>> Imogene, Ron, et al. --- while looking for something else in Ken's disk
> of the Cloud Family Journal, I ran across an item that stumps me. It's an
> excerpt from the "Biographical Directory of the Tennessee General Assemby,
> Vol I, 1796 - 1861," showing the entry for this Benj. J. Cloud (CFJ, XIV,
> no. 4, p. 100). Acc. to it, he was married (1st) in 1845 to Elizabeth M.
> Schultz. by whom he had two children: Alexander Moore and Benjamin F.,
> Jr.; and (2nd) -- on May 14, 1852 -- to Nancy Middleton, by whom he had
> children named Mary E. and Carrick C.
>>
>> This certainly contradicts my data on this chap (whom we recently
> discussed in several posts). All the info. I have on Elizabeth Mahulda
> indicates that she didn't die until 1913 and fiurther that the census
> entries for B. F. up through 1880 list his wife as "Elizabeth," along with
> children Alexander, Mary E., and Carrick. If the Directory entry is
> valid, it has to mean that he divorced Elizabeth Mahulda, married Nancy
> and
> had two children by her, and then went back to the still-living Elizabeth
> to give her the privilege of rearing those kids by the second wife.
> Somehow, this doesn't sound like the Tazewell I thought I knew. Am I
> missing something here? Harry
>>
>> ===========================================
>> Share your Cloud family history here.
>> Join the Cloud Family Association
>> http://mykindred.com/cloud/
>> (the Cloud Family Association was formed in 1978 by members of the Cloud
> family.
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Harry,
You may not remember, but I sent a copy of the Tennessee General Assembly
biography to you several years ago. I have the book in my library. The
book was published in 1975 by the Tennessee State Library and Archives and
the Tennessee Historical Commission. The sources for Benjamin's biography
are: Goodspeed, "History of Claiborne County"; Moore, "Records of
Commissions of Officers"; Claiborne County Cemetery Records; Claiborne
County Marriage Records, Vol. II, 1838-1850 and U.S. Census, 1850 & 1870,
Claiborne County.
Ray Shirley
rshirley(a)icx.net
> [Original Message]
> From: Harry Hogan <hogahl(a)starpower.net>
> To: <CLOUD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: 9/7/2006 11:45:53 AM
> Subject: [CLOUD] Benj. F. Cloud (1802-1880)
>
> Imogene, Ron, et al. --- while looking for something else in Ken's disk
of the Cloud Family Journal, I ran across an item that stumps me. It's an
excerpt from the "Biographical Directory of the Tennessee General Assemby,
Vol I, 1796 - 1861," showing the entry for this Benj. J. Cloud (CFJ, XIV,
no. 4, p. 100). Acc. to it, he was married (1st) in 1845 to Elizabeth M.
Schultz. by whom he had two children: Alexander Moore and Benjamin F.,
Jr.; and (2nd) -- on May 14, 1852 -- to Nancy Middleton, by whom he had
children named Mary E. and Carrick C.
>
> This certainly contradicts my data on this chap (whom we recently
discussed in several posts). All the info. I have on Elizabeth Mahulda
indicates that she didn't die until 1913 and fiurther that the census
entries for B. F. up through 1880 list his wife as "Elizabeth," along with
children Alexander, Mary E., and Carrick. If the Directory entry is
valid, it has to mean that he divorced Elizabeth Mahulda, married Nancy and
had two children by her, and then went back to the still-living Elizabeth
to give her the privilege of rearing those kids by the second wife.
Somehow, this doesn't sound like the Tazewell I thought I knew. Am I
missing something here? Harry
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Imogene, Ron, et al. --- while looking for something else in Ken's disk of the Cloud Family Journal, I ran across an item that stumps me. It's an excerpt from the "Biographical Directory of the Tennessee General Assemby, Vol I, 1796 - 1861," showing the entry for this Benj. J. Cloud (CFJ, XIV, no. 4, p. 100). Acc. to it, he was married (1st) in 1845 to Elizabeth M. Schultz. by whom he had two children: Alexander Moore and Benjamin F., Jr.; and (2nd) -- on May 14, 1852 -- to Nancy Middleton, by whom he had children named Mary E. and Carrick C.
This certainly contradicts my data on this chap (whom we recently discussed in several posts). All the info. I have on Elizabeth Mahulda indicates that she didn't die until 1913 and fiurther that the census entries for B. F. up through 1880 list his wife as "Elizabeth," along with children Alexander, Mary E., and Carrick. If the Directory entry is valid, it has to mean that he divorced Elizabeth Mahulda, married Nancy and had two children by her, and then went back to the still-living Elizabeth to give her the privilege of rearing those kids by the second wife. Somehow, this doesn't sound like the Tazewell I thought I knew. Am I missing something here? Harry