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Further reading in the book mentioned below revealed a couple more
references to Dr. N.B. Cloud, primarily as an expert on agricultural
practices of the time(1850-1860. Apparently, Dr. Cloud was well known all
over the south and especially in Alabama, his state of residence.
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Sloan [mailto:fesloan@digitalexp.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2001 6:06 PM
To: CLOUD-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CLOUD-L] Dr. N. B. Cloud
Found this as a footnote to Ulrich B. Phillips' book "Life and Labor in the
Old South" page 98, Foot note 2.
"In a salutatory as editor of the American Cotton Planter (I,21) in 1853,
Dr. N.B. Cloud reminised of his boyhood in South Carolina during the
transition from tobacco to cotton. The lint was beautiful and valuable, said
the tobacco growers, but the gin would require a trained mechanic at high
wages to produce a bale per day: "and hundreds upon hundreds of tobacco
hogsheads continued to roll on to Augusta. In the meantme, however, some
public-spirited planter determined to try slaves, and very soon his
negro-ship was found to gin as sucessfully as Whitney himself."
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Join the Cloud Family Association: http://genweb.net/~cloud/
Tom Cloud sent out a list back in November, 1999, of Cloud Alabama
Marriages, 1800-1920. (Hey, I'm gradually catching up to date). I don't
remember the source of his list, but it contained the names of four
Cloud girls who married in Jackson County, AL. I have researched
Jackson County up, down, forward, backward, sideways and every which way
and those four names are new to me. Can some of you identify these
girls? All marriages were supposed to have occurred in Jackson County.
Julia Cloud married Fayette Turner 30th June, 1872.
Emma E. Cloud married Silas M. Randal 15th June, 1861.
Partinia Cloud married Thomas Allison (a prominent Jackson family) 1st
Feb., 1874.
Dorcas Cloud married Thomas Caldwell 3rd March, 1873.
All of the other Cloud girls in that list I can readily identify.
Also, in reviewing my notes from interviews with my mother and aunt, I
find that they both stated that George W., John Franklin, and Jame M.
Cloud, all living in Jackson County, had a brother named Robert. I
cannot find any trace of that Robert. One of George's sons, James Polk
Cloud, named his eldest son Robert, thus lending some credibility to the
recollections of my mother and aunt. Does anyone out there know
something about this "Robert?"
Ray Shirley
Janice, Terry and Joe ... each of you posted information to the
Milam county genweb ... I think all of it in 1998
http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tx/Milam/18http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/USA/Tx/Milam/2144
... etc
The information you posted is definitely relevant to the research I and
my CLOUD cousins are doing on our family, and it also appears to be
quite valuable in providing some clues for us. Though you posted
this almost three years ago and the trail is "cold", I've only just
seen your posts and would like to respond to them.
Would you allow me to offer some questions and perhaps some corrections
regarding what you posted? .... and would be willing to share with
me any more information on this family?
My questions are:
1 - What is the the name of the "patriarch" (see listing below).
Is his name Samuel James WISE, as Janice Bullock Williams wrote, or
George Collier WISE, as Joe Kornegay wrote ??
2 - You show the husband of Mary Frances WISE to be John David TAYLOR
(1846 AL-1937 TX), the son of Jacob Henry TAYLOR and Elizabeth BOYD.
For the "problem" with this, see number "4" below.
3 - You show that Samuel James "Jimmy" WISE married Willie CLOUD
(Apr 1871-aft 1900) on OCT 17 1889 in Milam county, Texas. The
problem here is that you show Willie's parents as Robert Samuel
CLOUD, Sr and Elizabeth Jane BOYD. Robert Samuel was Willie's
eldest brother and Elizabeth BOYD was their mother! This error
probably comes from a book -- "Milano Texas; A History, 1873-1965"
by Basil McGregor, from which comes the following quote ** (note
that the first reference to "Robert S. Cloud" is actually a reference
to William J. CLOUD and his wife Elizabeth Jane Boyd).
"Robert S. Cloud (sic -- this is William J. CLOUD) and wife Jane
were Old Settlers in the Sandy Creek Community."
4 - delayed birth certificate records of Milam county show a child,
Samuel Collier WISE, b. Dec 25 1899, father Jimmie Marvin WISE, mother
Willie Elzine CLOUD. If this is the same Willie CLOUD, then there's
a problem with the father's name somewhere -- is his name Samuel
James WISE or Jimmie Marvin WISE ????
5 - I am concerned about the Elizabeth BOYDs we're coming up with,
all during the same time frame and in the same place (see numbers
1 and 2 above).
a. -- there's the Elizabeth BOYD who m. your Jacob TAYLOR (#1 above)
and had a child in 1846. From this I deduce that this Elizabeth BOYD
was probably born before 1830.
b. -- there's Elizabeth Jane BOYD (1832 AL-1918 TX), buried next to
her husband at Sandy Creek Cemetery and my g-g-grandmother, who married
William Jasper CLOUD.
.... you can see a picture of Elizabeth with her son, Robert Samuel
(and his daughter Willie Cloud, b. 1896) at
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cloud/TX/photos/Clouds/Eliz_Boyd-grp.JPG
A photo of the graves of William J. and Elizabeth Boyd CLOUD is at
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cloud/TX/photos/Clouds/WmJC_72.JPGhttp://homepages.rootsweb.com/~cloud/TX/photos/Clouds/ElJBC-72.jpg
6 - Janice, I assume you are descended from William Thomas BULLOCK
who married Caroline Rebecca WISE?
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I would so very much appreciate having your help on this and look
forward to hearing from you.
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below is what I have on the WISE family -- mostly based upon what
you posted to Milam county genweb.
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Descendants of Samuel James / George Collier ? Wise
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1-Samuel James / George Collier ? Wise
b: abt 1830 in Pike county, Alabama
d: bet 1863 and 1870 in Pike county, Alabama
sp: Caroline L. Brunson
b: JAN 27 1832 in Pike county, Alabama
m: DEC 24 1851 in Pike county, Alabama
d: NOV 10 1883 in Milano, Milam county, Texas
. . 2-Mary Frances "Agnes" Wise
b: OCT 18 1852 in Pike county, Alabama
d: OCT 26 1937 in Somerville, Burleson county, Texas
. . sp: John David Taylor
b: JUL 8 1846 in Pike county, Alabama
m: abt 1873 in Crenshaw county, Alabama
d: NOV 5 1937 in Burleson county, Texas
. . 2-William "Jacob" Wise
b: abt 1854 in Pike county, Alabama
d: bet 1870 and 1883
. . 2-Daniel Richard "Dick" Wise
b: JAN 1856 in Pike county, Alabama
d: NOV 18 1945 in Travis county, Texas
. . sp: Ella Hardcastle
b: JAN 1864 in Texas
m: MAY 1883 in Texas
d: SEP 12 1953 in Travis county, Texas
. . . . 3-Foster Wise
b: FEB 17 1897 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . 3-Homer Ead Wise
b: APR 20 1899 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . 3-Ruby Catherine Wise
b: OCT 12 1901 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . sp: Charles Schrade Jr.
. . . . . . 4-Norma Gayle Schrade
b: APR 22 1934 in Travis county, Texas
. . 2-Samuel James "Jimmy" Wise Jr.
b: NOV 1857 in Pike county, Alabama
d: aft 1900
. . sp: Laura A. Hargrove
b: MAR 8 1866 in Alabama
m: DEC 31 1886 in Milam county, Texas
d: DEC 7 1887 in Milam county, Texas
. . sp: Wilhemina (Willie) Cloud
b: APR 9 1870 in Texas
m: OCT 17 1889 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . 3-Samuel Collier Wise
b: DEC 25 1899 in Milam county, Texas
. . 2-Venetia A. Wise
b: SEP 19 1859 in Pike county, Alabama
d: JAN 15 1915 in Milam county, Texas
. . sp: Jacob Henry "Jake" Taylor Jr.
b: MAY 22 1850 in Pike county, Alabama
m: JAN 8 1880 in Milam county, Texas
d: JAN 27 1921 in Milano, Milam county, Texas
. . 2-Caroline Rebecca "Becky" Wise
b: JUN 13 1861 in Pike county, Alabama
d: OCT 7 1928 in Milam county, Texas
. . sp: William Thomas "Tom" Bullock
b: MAR 22 1861 in Belleville, Conecuh county, Alabama
m: DEC 22 1887 in Milam county, Texas
d: JAN 18 1902 in Milam county, Texas
. . 2-George Collier "Tobe" Wise
b: SEP 25 1863 in Pike county, Alabama
d: APR 15 1945 in Milam county, Texas
. . sp: Frances Susanne "Fannie" Peoples
b: JUL 29 1874 in Milam county, Texas
m: NOV 21 1889 in Milam county, Texas
d: APR 27 1958 in Houston, Harris county, Texas
. . . . 3-George Clarence Wise
b: JUN 11 1898 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . 3-William Jasper Wise
b: JUN 11 1903 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . sp: Bernice Dodson
. . . . . . 4-Mary Helen Wise
b: JAN 31 1921 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . . . sp: Edwin McLane
. . . . . . . . 5-Roy Jo McLane
b: NOV 8 1939 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . . . . . 5-Robert Earl McLane
b: OCT 25 1945 in Brazoria county, Texas
. . . . . . . . 5-Kathryn Iola McLane
b: SEP 28 1946 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . . . 4-William Jasper Wise Jr.
b: MAY 8 1923 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . . . sp: Ruby Elizabeth Hunt
. . . . . . . . 5-Charles Cleveland Wise
b: SEP 10 1946 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . . . . . 5-Robert Russell Wise
b: APR 3 1948 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . 3-Ira Vel Wise
b: FEB 10 1905 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . sp: Oleta Glendola Modesett
. . . . . . 4-Vel Kline Wise
b: OCT 1 1929 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . . . 4-Glenn Ellis Wise
b: DEC 23 1933 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . 3-Eunice Collier Wise
b: JUN 1 1905 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . sp: T.R. Welch
. . . . . . 4-Billy Joan Welch
b: SEP 24 1932 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . 3-Charles Morris Wise
b: APR 9 1911 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . sp: Winifred Anne Poole
. . . . . . 4-Barbara Jean Wise
b: FEB 21 1946 in Harris county, Texas
. . . . 3-Ruben Dean Wise
b: JUN 19 1914 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . sp: Addie Bell Mills
. . . . . . 4-Jeral Deene Wise
b: DEC 17 1938 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . . . 4-Melvin Douglas Wise
b: MAY 13 1942 in Milam county, Texas
. . . . . . 4-Linda Ruth Wise
b: NOV 5 1947 in Milam county, Texas
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Tom Cloud <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
PLEASE CHANGE MY EMAIL ADDRESS TO CECLOUD(a)AOL.COM //// BOUGHT ANEW COMPUTER
AND BOTCHED EVERTHING (IS THIS A CLOUD TENDENCY?)
EDWIN CLOUD
WATKINSVILLE GA
some Milam county "curiousnessessss"
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below "delayed birth certificates" for Milam county microfilm (#1481527) Index to delayed birth records for Milam Co.
... who is Willie Elzine Cloud ?
Samuel Collier Wise, Dec 25 1899, father Jimmie Marvin Wise, mother Willie Elzine Cloud
This "Willie Elzine Cloud" would likely be born sometime prior to 1885
(allowing her to be as young as 14 at Samuel's birth)
Our Wilhelmina, dau of William Jasper Cloud, was born 1870 and was
in Milam county.
Willie Cloud, dau of Jas W.J. & Laura Frances Burt Cloud was b. 1878
and may have been in Milam county ???
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Tom Cloud <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
Found this as a footnote to Ulrich B. Phillips' book "Life and Labor in the
Old South" page 98, Foot note 2.
"In a salutatory as editor of the American Cotton Planter (I,21) in 1853,
Dr. N.B. Cloud reminised of his boyhood in South Carolina during the
transition from tobacco to cotton. The lint was beautiful and valuable, said
the tobacco growers, but the gin would require a trained mechanic at high
wages to produce a bale per day: "and hundreds upon hundreds of tobacco
hogsheads continued to roll on to Augusta. In the meantme, however, some
public-spirited planter determined to try slaves, and very soon his
negro-ship was found to gin as sucessfully as Whitney himself."
Posted on: Cloud Queries
Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Cloud/10122
Surname: Jett, Cloud
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Found this entry looking for info on the Jetts'. Im searching herritage
for my husband Newton Jett and Elizabeth
are his great, great, great, grand parents. Would like to recieve any info
that you may have.
Laura
The CD includes all newletters and journals since the beginning of the CFA.
Also thanks for you kind words.
Ken
----- Original Message -----
From: "Joe & Laura Schmidt" <digmypast(a)msn.com>
To: "Cloud Mail List" <Cloud-L(a)rootsweb.com>; <kec(a)home.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 11, 2001 12:27 PM
Subject: The Cloud Family Journal CD
> Hi
> Would you believe I just got my CD. My parents, Hamilton & June Cloud,
> bought it for me as a gift. I can't tell you what a wealth of information
> it is! Ken, you did a fantastic job! For those of you who have not
ordered
> your own copy, let me tell you what you are missing! I will be reading
for
> hours! The indexes are easy to use as are the search feature! It is
> indexed three ways, by CLOUD, by non-Cloud, and by Collected Listings. I
> have been going through Cloud by Cloud on my tree! Gosh, the info is
> unreal. I probably own half the copies of the journal, but to be able to
> research with an index for all is so much nicer!
>
> If you haven't ordered it, think about doing it today! Info can be found
> at http://members.home.net/kec/cfjcd.htm
>
> Do you know if anyone has considered doing the same thing with the old
Cloud
> Family News Letter?
>
> Laura
>
>
Hi
Would you believe I just got my CD. My parents, Hamilton & June Cloud,
bought it for me as a gift. I can't tell you what a wealth of information
it is! Ken, you did a fantastic job! For those of you who have not ordered
your own copy, let me tell you what you are missing! I will be reading for
hours! The indexes are easy to use as are the search feature! It is
indexed three ways, by CLOUD, by non-Cloud, and by Collected Listings. I
have been going through Cloud by Cloud on my tree! Gosh, the info is
unreal. I probably own half the copies of the journal, but to be able to
research with an index for all is so much nicer!
If you haven't ordered it, think about doing it today! Info can be found
at http://members.home.net/kec/cfjcd.htm
Do you know if anyone has considered doing the same thing with the old Cloud
Family News Letter?
Laura