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Harry,
I searched for "Carra" in Rootsweb archives for 1999-2000 at
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/CLOUD-L/ and my own files for 1997-2000
(missing only a few day's messages) and do not get a hit other than your
message today. "Sullivan" and "Henderson" produce too many hits for a quick
distillation.
Cec
Harry Hogan wrote:
> A recent post concerned several (three?) of Henderson Cloud's sons
> (Sullivan Co. TN) who served in the WBTS. Unfortunately, I seem to have
> deleted the message, but I recall that the poster referred to the 1850
> census and specif. to the listing for Joseph Cloud (wife: Mary) as
> another son of Henderson who lived close to his father. That particular
> entry shows a Carra Cloud (age 18) as Head of Household (unless I'm
> misreading it). Would the poster, or anyone else, have any information
> on this? Who was Carra?
>
> ==== CLOUD Mailing List ====
> ................................................................
> Check out the Cloud Family web site: http://genweb.net/~cloud/
A recent post concerned several (three?) of Henderson Cloud's sons
(Sullivan Co. TN) who served in the WBTS. Unfortunately, I seem to have
deleted the message, but I recall that the poster referred to the 1850
census and specif. to the listing for Joseph Cloud (wife: Mary) as
another son of Henderson who lived close to his father. That particular
entry shows a Carra Cloud (age 18) as Head of Household (unless I'm
misreading it). Would the poster, or anyone else, have any information
on this? Who was Carra?
What a great idea!
"The year 2000 is a Census Year. most of the census will be taken by
mail,
> so
> after you have filled out your census form why not make a copy of it and
> file
> with your important papers. Then your family will not have to wait 70
years
> to learn about you."
> >>
>
> ==== CLOUD Mailing List ====
> ..................................................................
> Have you submitted your Cloud lineage to the List?
> If you're new, please submit a brief description of your ancestry.
>
Hi List Members,
I am new to the list so here is my ancestry.
Thomas Cloude/Jane Nycholas
William Cloude/Joanne
William Cloud/Susan James
Jeremiah Cloud/Elizabeth Bailey
William Cloud/Elizabeth Hayes
Henry Cloud/Eleanor Williams
William Cloud/Jane Jones
Rev. James Cloud/Sarah Ramey
Melinda (Malinda?) Cloud/Nicholas Johnson
My direct line migrated to Dearborn County, Indiana . Since I am living in
Texas, I decided to research John Wurts Cloud and his father Adam Cloud
because they settled in an area not too far from where I live. Does anyone
have any definitive information on where John Wurts Cloud is buried. I have
some comflicting information. I have a book that says he is buried in
Washington-on-the-Brazos. I checked the cemetery inventory for Washington
Cemetery and he is not listed. I also visited Buckhorn Cemetery where there
are other Clouds buried but he is not there either. Any ideas?
Rhonda
----- Original Message -----
From: "iceman70" <iceman70(a)hal-pc.org>
To: "Joe & Laura Schmidt" <schmidtm(a)3-cities.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 4:10 PM
Subject: Re: Roll Call
> Laura,
> Thank you for forwarding my query to the Cloud mailing list. My Cloud
> lineage is from Dearborn Co., IN. My gggg-grandmother was Malinda Cloud
who
> married Nicholas Johnson.
> Rhonda
===== Original Message from CLOUD-L(a)rootsweb.com at 1/26/00 7:32 am
>Geraldine,
>
>First, I'm missing pages 52 and 122. If you have them, I'd
>much appreciate getting them from you.
>
>Did you see the information I recently posted to the Cloud
>list regarding the traveling patterns and companions of the
>Youngbloods? Also, I finally saw the relationship between
>the authors, Florence Ellen (Floelle) and Frances Youngblood,
>to our line. Their mother was Frances "Fannie" Armstrong,
>their grandmother, Frances McDade. One of their uncles,
>James Francis Armstrong, Jr. married Nancy Frizzle.
>
>Their great-grandmother was Edna Adeline Fields who m.
>Charles Alexander McDade. Charles and Edna's eldest,
>Mary Adeline "Polly" McDade m. H.G.W. Cloud, son of
>our Jeremiah. Mary (McDade) Cloud was their grand-aunt,
>making them cousins to the people in the lineage of
>H.G.W. and Mary (McDade) Cloud.
>
> .... also, numerous of their people went to Texas,
>so it's not like her grandaunt departed to some region
>foreign to their family.
>
>
>Tom Cloud <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
>
>
>==== CLOUD Mailing List ====
> ..................................................................
> Have you submitted your Cloud lineage to the List?
> If you're new, please submit a brief description of your ancestry.
===== Comments by GERALDINE(a)TALLEYCOMP.COM (GERALDINE) at 1/26/00 4:50 pm
Tom,
As I said, I would bet if you did not have pp. 52 and 122 neither would I.
I looked in my book and they are missing, but this next week I will go to
the library and get them and send a copy to you.
Yes, I did the see the post you made of the traveling patterns and
companions of the Youngbloods and I thought it was exceptionally well done.
I need to study it more carefully.
I used the information in the Youngblood book to get into the NDAR. I found
the name of a distant McDade cousin and also a descendant of James McDade,
Revolutionary War Soldier from Spartanburg, South Carolina. While in
Montgomery Ala., moving toward the Raleigh CF meeting, I got as many
documents as I could of the McDades there. The documents I have do not show
Mary "Polly" McDade Cloud as an Adeline. What I did find was a will of an
Adeline McDade but she was not our "Polly.' Nor did I find my
ggggrandfather referred to as Charles Alexander, it was always
Alexander,even so in the court records in Bellville referring to his death
and Jane Elizabeth Calvert and their five children and in his grandfather's
will.
I also found the court records showing Charles Alexander McDade, son of
James, truly giving his daughters a slave each, just as as the fact was
stated in the Youngblood book.
The book is a treasure for our family and I thnk that you have shown that
there are possibly more clues than we have so far discovered e. g. your
analysis of the traveling patterns and companions.
Will let you know as soon as I get the two pages. Could there be other
pages missing?
GFT
Marie,
I am forwarding your query to the Cloud-L(a)Rootsweb.com mailing list. Maybe
someone there can help you.
Laura CLOUD Schmidt
----- Original Message -----
From: <DOOGWOOD(a)aol.com>
To: <schmidtm(a)3-cities.com>
>Robinson,Hess,Johnson,Peck,Cloud or McCloud
>
>
> Is anyone out there that is searching for Robinson, Hess, Johnson, Peck,
> Cloud or McCloud. I have a Benjamin or Berry Robinson that may be from
> Rowan, in the late 1700's or early 1800's and then moved to Russell Co, Va
> Thanks Marie Robinson
>
Rhonda,
Gather from your query your Cloud lineage is from Dearborn Co, IN. I am
forwarding your query to the Cloud-L(a)Rootsweb.com mailing list. Maybe
someone there can help you.
Laura CLOUD Schmidt
----- Original Message -----
From: "iceman70" <iceman70(a)hal-pc.org>
To: <schmidtm(a)3-cities.com>
Sent: Wednesday, January 26, 2000 5:32 AM
> Source: INDEARBO-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: [INDEARBO] Roll Call
>
>
> I am researching the following:
> JOHNSON
> HARGITT
> CLOUD
> RAMEY
> MASON
>
>
> Rhonda
Geraldine,
First, I'm missing pages 52 and 122. If you have them, I'd
much appreciate getting them from you.
Did you see the information I recently posted to the Cloud
list regarding the traveling patterns and companions of the
Youngbloods? Also, I finally saw the relationship between
the authors, Florence Ellen (Floelle) and Frances Youngblood,
to our line. Their mother was Frances "Fannie" Armstrong,
their grandmother, Frances McDade. One of their uncles,
James Francis Armstrong, Jr. married Nancy Frizzle.
Their great-grandmother was Edna Adeline Fields who m.
Charles Alexander McDade. Charles and Edna's eldest,
Mary Adeline "Polly" McDade m. H.G.W. Cloud, son of
our Jeremiah. Mary (McDade) Cloud was their grand-aunt,
making them cousins to the people in the lineage of
H.G.W. and Mary (McDade) Cloud.
.... also, numerous of their people went to Texas,
so it's not like her grandaunt departed to some region
foreign to their family.
Tom Cloud <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
Looking for Virginia Cloud that Married Augustus Branson in 1862 in the state of Virginia. I don't know where in Virginia and I'm not sure if this is the Virginia Cloud I'm looking for. The Virginia Cloud I'm looking for is a native Indian and she is believed to have lived over a 100 years. She was described to me that she had long dark hair and a dark complexion. If this is the Virginia Cloud I'm looking for she would of been somewhere around Berkeley County Virginia/West Virginia or Frederick County Virginia. this is the only Virginia I found born around that time so I'm hoping this is her.
Any help would be appreciated.
This is my first time to this discussion group so am not yet familiar with
your norms.
I will begin by saying that I am a direct decendent of Mary Cloud Elliott who
died in 1840. She remains an almost mythic figure in the 8 generations of
Elliotts that have live and died on the land around her grave in Henry
County,GA. I am trying to find out more about her family and predecessors.
I have considerable information about her brother Ezekiel and a little about
her brother Noah and her father Jeremiah who was is described as "a
Revolutionary War soldier from Georgia". In reviewing the websites devoted to
the Cloud genealogy I have been unable to link this Jeremiah and children
with earlier Clouds from Pennsylvania (althought there seem to be several
other Jeremiahs) Do you any of you have any information conderning this link?
Some relevant info on this Jeremiah follows.
Most of this information comes from the book "Henry County, Georgia: Mother
of Counties" by Vessie Thrasher Rainer
Mary Cloud Elliott is buried in our family cemetary in Henry County, Georgia.
On page 47 the privately published book "Henry County Georgia, Mother of
Counties", it states "Mary Cloud Elliott, the daughter of Revolutionary
soldier, Jeremiah Cloud, of Georgia, widow of George Elliott, Jr., a
Revolutionary War soldier, and the sister of Ezekiel Cloud, a Revolutionary
War soldier.....Mary cloud Elliott died Feb. 10, 1840 and was the first to be
buried in the family graveyard of her son, John Elliott. She is the mother
of the large Elliott family of Henry County."
On page 42 it states that her brother "Ezekiel Cloud was born March 14,
1762" It goes on to say that he was a resident of Wilkes County, Georgia
when he enlisted in 1778 (that would mean at age 16). There is more
information in that book about where he served and under whom.
At a couple of Cloud websites I have seen Pennsylvania Jeremiahs that pre
date this Jeremiah and one born after him. If this information is of
interest I would be glad to share more informatin from the book mentioned
above. This includes a court record where Ezekiel seeks restitution resulting
from an Indian attack on him and his father and brother Noah.
Any help you can give me regarding the ancestors of Ezekiel's father
Jeremiah will be greatly appreciated
Joe Paul
Aspen Family Business Group
10490 SW Eastridge, Suite 120
Portland, OR 97225
503-297-0750
Fax 503-210-0310
www.aspenfamilybusiness.com
familyfirm(a)aol.com
For those of you who received this message, I need to unconfuse anyone who
may have gotten confused with my initial message at the bottom. I hate to
spread false rumors...lol, they tend to stand in posterity. Ron seemed to
figure out what I acually meant but I may have confused others. In my
email, at the bottom of Ron's response, I meant William Boyd vice William
Cloud in the 1830 census of Montgomery Alabama.
For RON: I think if you look at the actual census that has been indexed as
William Lloyd, I think you will see that it is actually Boyd. At least, it
looks more like Boyd than Lloyd, to me. I have a copy of it.
Unfortunately, I didn't bring it to work with me this morning to do another
double look. I remember seeing it indexed as Lloyd, but I really think it
is Boyd. Anyway, if you or anyone else get a chance to see the original
would sure be interested in your interpretation.
Lura
-----Original Message-----
From: Ron Head [mailto:ronhead@knology.net]
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 10:43 PM
To: Black, Lura
Cc: Cloud, Tom; GRay101534(a)aol.com
Subject: Re: William Boyd
Hi Lura, and Happy New Year (not new millenium, new century, or even
new decade--those come NEXT January 1!)
Lura asked:
********************
Ron, do you have the 1830 census for William Boyd? I don't know which
one he is, but he was polled 5 people after Jeremiah Cloud (the
Jeremiah that Tom and I are trying to pin down).
********************
We seem to be looking at different census records! I show Jeremiah
CLOUD on p. 181 in Montgomery Co., but the only BOYD households I've
found in that year in Montgomery Co. are those of Thomas BOYD (p. 202)
and Walter BOYD (p. 215). My index does show a William LLOYD on the
same page with Jeremiah CLOUD--could that be indexed incorrectly? In
any case, I don't think that individual was "our" William BOYD,
because he, his wife, and children were still living in Pike Co., AL
at the taking of the 1830 census near his older sons Richard, Samuel,
and Henry (all on. p. 31 in their own households).
1830 Pike Co., AL
p. 30
William BOYD age 50-60 (b. 1770-80)
female age 20-30 (b. 1800-10)
[she was prob. a few yrs. older, b. ca 1796!]
male age 5-10 (b. 1820-25) William, Jr?
male age 5-10 (b. 1820-25) Jackson J.?
female age 5-10 (b. 1820-25)
male age 0-5 (b. 1825-30) Michael?
female age 0-5 (b. 1825-30)
female age 0-5 (b. 1825-30)
There were two William BOYD's in the 1850 Montgomery Co. census,
"ours" and another, who was a member of what I call the SW Mntgy Co.
group, who came from SC:
#619
William BOYD 65 SC
Nancy 44 VA
Both this William and his presumed brother Thomas BOYD were living in
Montgomery by November 1830, when they both purchased land in SW
Montgomery Co. [A third presumed brother, Walter, is in the 1830
Mntgy Co. census, but I don't have him buying land until 1834.]
Lura continued:
********************
Ron....am looking at your Descendents of William Boyd that you passed
a while back. One of the questions you ask is under Michael Boyd.
You show living next door to him is a family headed by Wash Boyd and
you were wondering just who is Wash? Just some thoughts. My great,
great
grandfather was Henry George Washington Cloud. In his obituary, he
was referred to as Uncle Wash. I noticed that Wash Boyd named his
first son George.
I also notice that your Henry Boyd married Elizabeth Reeves (guess
that is still in question) abt 1827. Also notice that you are showing
a son of this union born about 1830. Don't know what documentation
you have for this guess. But is it possible that this son could have
been born just a couple of years earlier and was named Henry George
Washington Boyd? Or merely, George Washington Boyd and he could be
Michael's cousin?
********************
I think you might be right about Wash belonging to Henry & Elizabeth
(REEVES) BOYD. The 1840 Pike Co., AL census shows them with a boy and
two girls born 1830-35, and two more boys born 1835-40 (I guess that's
how I estimated the 1830 date for Henry's oldest child). But if you
go back to the 1830 Pike Co. census, you see that in 1830, Henry
already had two children, a boy and a girl, both born 1825-30
(probably the two oldest in the 1840 census, when their ages may have
been underestimated by the census taker). As Wash was born ca 1826
(from the 1860 census), he could easily have been the male born
1825-30 with Henry in 1830. But there is still a major question:
Where was Wash in 1850? At age 24 or so, was he already out on his
own somewhere?
If Wash was indeed Henry's son, then he would've been Michael's
half-nephew (the son of Michael's half-brother, Henry).
Thanks, Lura, for the BOYD entries from the 1870 and 1880 indices to
Coryell and Milam Co., TX--a valuable addition to my files! Can
anyone compare the "George" BOYD family on p. 306 in 1870 Coryell to
the "Wash" BOYD family ten years earlier (1860 Coryell, p. 292)? If
they seem to be the same, we could at least confirm that his name was
"George Washington," even if we don't have a positive ID on his
father.
Are there any estate settlements in Coryell Co. from 1850-1900? Some
of these questions might be answered if we could locate probate papers
for Henry, Wash, and maybe even old William (since he has NO estate
papers in Montgomery or Pike Co., AL, I still believe it's possible
that he moved with the family to TX and died there shortly after
arriving).
Best regards,
Ron Head (Montgomery, AL)
ronhead(a)knology.net
Volunteer for Random Acts of Genealogical Kindness at
http://raogk.rootsweb.com/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: Black, Lura <lblack(a)scndetsd.massopac.navy.mil>
To: <ronhead(a)knology.net>
Sent: Friday, January 14, 2000 9:09 AM
Subject: William Boyd
Just in case you don't, here is the info
> contained on that census:
>
> William Cloud
>
> Boys: under 5 = 1
> over 15 and under 20 = 1
> over 40 and under 50 = 1
>
> Girls: under 5 = 1
> over 10 and under 15 = 1
> over 40 and under 50 = 1
>
> So which one is this William? If census is correct, this WIlliam
was born
> between 1780 and 1790 - too young for your WIlliam whom you indicate
was
> born in abt 1772; and too old for William's son WIlliam whom you
indicate
> was born abt 1797. So, who is he? How did you arrive at 1772 for
William
> Sr? He didn't have his first child until 1797? So, couldn't he
have been
> born, more like, 1780? Married at age 17 and 50 years old during
the 1830
> census.
>
> If this is William Sr, then what children are we talking about?
>
> boy under 5 = with your dates, the only one who fits is Michael
> boy over 15 under 20 = Suspect this would have to be Richard if I
look at
> the dates of his and Samuel's children. Samuel's first child was
born in
> Oct 1830, so during the census, Samuel probably had his own family.
Will
> have to look for his census, I guess - or more William's. You
indicate that
> Richard's first child was born around 1831, so he may not have
married until
> late 1830 or early 1831 vice the 1828 you show (unless you have more
proof,
> vice theory). Or, this could be James and maybe James J. was born
to
> Rebecca and William earlier since I don't believe they waited 7
years to
> have children - like around 1815.
> boy over 40 under 50 = would be William Sr
>
> girl under 5 = based on your dates, would have to be Susan Rebecca
born in
> 1827.
> girl over 10 under 15 = I see no one who would fit here. The only
possible
> one would be Martha Elizabeth, but you are showing her born about
1822. If
> William married Rebecca about 1813, you seem to indicate that they
waited 7
> years before they had any children. Are you sure that Martha
couldn't have
> been born more like 1818, shortly after William' remarriage? Sure
would
> make sense that they would have a child that fits this category.
> girl over 40 under 50 = this would be Rebecca.
>
> Remaining children either haven't been born or have left the nest to
have
> their own families.
>
>
> Well, just thinking out loud......interested in your thoughts.
>
> Lura
>
>
>
>
1502 ENGLAND WILLIAM CLOUD D ?
1530 ENGLAND WILLIAM D 1583
1575 ENGLAND THOMAS D 1626
1605 ENGLAND WILLIAM
1621 ENGLAND WILLIAM D1700 AMERICA
----- Original Message -----
From: <KarenKayeC(a)aol.com>
To: <CLOUD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 18, 2000 1:29 PM
Subject: Re: [CLOUD-L] Jones, Payne, & Cloud of Virginia & North Carolina
> Dear Laura,
>
> I think it is very generous of you to offer to do some look-ups from the
book
> you have that discusses the Cloud family of Virginia and North Carolina.
>
> However, I am perplexed to see that your book places its Clouds in
Virginia
> (or anywhere in the U.S.) in the 1500s. The first English colony in the
U.S.
> was in Jamestown, Virginia, in the early 1600s.
>
> In addition, most information that I have seen about the earliest Clouds
in
> the U.S. strongly suggests that the first Clouds were Quakers who settled
in
> southeastern Pennsylvania (and in what was then Pennsylvania but is now
> northern Delaware). If that is true, then the dates that Pennsylvania
colony
> was formed by William Penn should be considered (as well as the dates of
the
> first Virginia colonies) when trying to determine whether the dates in
your
> book about Clouds in VA and NC could be correct. You might especially
want
> to ponder the accuracy of any dates between1502 and 1677 (when Penn first
> travelled to the U.S.) or between 1502 and 1681 (when he acquired the
charter
> for Pennsylvania) and 1682 (when he acquired Delaware from James, Duke of
> York). There were some earlier Quaker communities in the U.S., but all
were
> north and east of PA (e.g., in NJ), but the largest incursion of Quakers
came
> with William Penn. (Our family oral history placed the Cloud arrival in
the
> U.S. "with William Penn." I don't know if they actually travelled with
> William Penn, but I did find them listed on passenger lists of William
Penn's
> ships.)
>
> Following are some simple historical websites that would suggest that your
> book's dates for the Quaker Clouds (and some that would suggest that your
> dates for any Clouds) are somewhat early.
>
> The Chronology of Colonial America: 1498-1763:
> http://www7.bcity.com/history/timeline.htm
>
> Introduction: William Penn Proprietor and Brief Narrative History, with
> Dates: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~CAP/PENN/pnintro.html
>
> Religious Freedom: So What Was Quakerism Anyway?:
> http://www7.bcity.com/history/quakereligion.htm
>
>
> It is also interesting that you find your Clouds in North Carolina in the
> 1750s. They must have been among the first settlers in continuing
> communities. If you have somehow corraborrated the accuracy of the North
> Carolina dates, you might find some information on the settling of North
> Carolina and the lifestyle of NC (actually the Colony of Carolina) in its
> early days.
>
> I found the following websites with brief information about the settling
of
> the Carolinas that you might find interesting.
>
> A History of Agriculture in North Carolina:
> http://www.oldekinstongazette.com/agricult.htm
>
> Moments in North Carolina's Indian Heritage:
> http://www.trailblazermagazine.com/november/html/moments.htm
>
> North Carolina in the 17th Century:
> http://mx10.xoom.com/philnorf/north_carolina_in_the_17th_century.htm
>
> Brunswick County was Site of First Settlement in the Colony of Carolina:
> http://starnews.wilmington.net/bfact/16647.htm
>
> ____________________
> Message I am responding to:
>
>
> Subj: [CLOUD-L] Jones, Payne, & Cloud of Virginia & North Carolina
> Date: 12/28/99 2:56:02 PM Central Standard Time
> From: schmidtm(a)3-cities.com (Joe & Laura Schmidt)
> Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com">CLOUD-L(a)rootsweb.com</A>
> To: CLOUD-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
> I have failed to mention that I own the above book and will do lookups.
The
> Cloud lineage it looks like it covers is
> William ca 1502
> William ca 1530
> Thomas ca 1575/80
> William ca 1605
> William ca 1648, Joseph 1651, Susan 1653, Susannah 1655,
> Robert 1656, Jeremiah 1658,
>
> Then skips to
> William 1750 in Rowan Co, NC
> his children
> Elizabeth
> William Morgan
> Benjamin Franklin
> Greenbury
> Joseph
> Jeremiah (1790)
> John A.
> Mary
> Martin
> Lucinda
> George Washington
>
> If any of you want a lookup, just let me know
>
> Laura
> schmidtm(a)3-cities.com
> ____________________________________________
>
>
> ==== CLOUD Mailing List ====
> ................................................................
> Check out the Cloud Family web site: http://genweb.net/~cloud/
>
Dear Laura,
I think it is very generous of you to offer to do some look-ups from the book
you have that discusses the Cloud family of Virginia and North Carolina.
However, I am perplexed to see that your book places its Clouds in Virginia
(or anywhere in the U.S.) in the 1500s. The first English colony in the U.S.
was in Jamestown, Virginia, in the early 1600s.
In addition, most information that I have seen about the earliest Clouds in
the U.S. strongly suggests that the first Clouds were Quakers who settled in
southeastern Pennsylvania (and in what was then Pennsylvania but is now
northern Delaware). If that is true, then the dates that Pennsylvania colony
was formed by William Penn should be considered (as well as the dates of the
first Virginia colonies) when trying to determine whether the dates in your
book about Clouds in VA and NC could be correct. You might especially want
to ponder the accuracy of any dates between1502 and 1677 (when Penn first
travelled to the U.S.) or between 1502 and 1681 (when he acquired the charter
for Pennsylvania) and 1682 (when he acquired Delaware from James, Duke of
York). There were some earlier Quaker communities in the U.S., but all were
north and east of PA (e.g., in NJ), but the largest incursion of Quakers came
with William Penn. (Our family oral history placed the Cloud arrival in the
U.S. "with William Penn." I don't know if they actually travelled with
William Penn, but I did find them listed on passenger lists of William Penn's
ships.)
Following are some simple historical websites that would suggest that your
book's dates for the Quaker Clouds (and some that would suggest that your
dates for any Clouds) are somewhat early.
The Chronology of Colonial America: 1498-1763:
http://www7.bcity.com/history/timeline.htm
Introduction: William Penn Proprietor and Brief Narrative History, with
Dates: http://xroads.virginia.edu/~CAP/PENN/pnintro.html
Religious Freedom: So What Was Quakerism Anyway?:
http://www7.bcity.com/history/quakereligion.htm
It is also interesting that you find your Clouds in North Carolina in the
1750s. They must have been among the first settlers in continuing
communities. If you have somehow corraborrated the accuracy of the North
Carolina dates, you might find some information on the settling of North
Carolina and the lifestyle of NC (actually the Colony of Carolina) in its
early days.
I found the following websites with brief information about the settling of
the Carolinas that you might find interesting.
A History of Agriculture in North Carolina:
http://www.oldekinstongazette.com/agricult.htm
Moments in North Carolina's Indian Heritage:
http://www.trailblazermagazine.com/november/html/moments.htm
North Carolina in the 17th Century:
http://mx10.xoom.com/philnorf/north_carolina_in_the_17th_century.htm
Brunswick County was Site of First Settlement in the Colony of Carolina:
http://starnews.wilmington.net/bfact/16647.htm
____________________
Message I am responding to:
Subj: [CLOUD-L] Jones, Payne, & Cloud of Virginia & North Carolina
Date: 12/28/99 2:56:02 PM Central Standard Time
From: schmidtm(a)3-cities.com (Joe & Laura Schmidt)
Reply-to: <A HREF="mailto:CLOUD-L@rootsweb.com">CLOUD-L(a)rootsweb.com</A>
To: CLOUD-L(a)rootsweb.com
I have failed to mention that I own the above book and will do lookups. The
Cloud lineage it looks like it covers is
William ca 1502
William ca 1530
Thomas ca 1575/80
William ca 1605
William ca 1648, Joseph 1651, Susan 1653, Susannah 1655,
Robert 1656, Jeremiah 1658,
Then skips to
William 1750 in Rowan Co, NC
his children
Elizabeth
William Morgan
Benjamin Franklin
Greenbury
Joseph
Jeremiah (1790)
John A.
Mary
Martin
Lucinda
George Washington
If any of you want a lookup, just let me know
Laura
schmidtm(a)3-cities.com
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Whilst perusing the the book YOUNGBLOOD-ARMSTRONG & ALLIED FAMILIES
by Frances Youngblood and Floelle Youngblood Bonner, I ran across
several things I think of interest to Cloud researchers. (Note
that while this book has only a few references to Clouds, it
lists many of the "collateral families" the Clouds traveled
with.)
I'm specifically looking for clues from the routes that were
taken, the places visited, the families who traveled together, etc.
(For example, the "Texas Jeremiah" researchers find that he
apparently spent some time in Georgia .... the notes below
show that the Youngblood caravan did also .... apparently to
either replenish their provisions or perhaps to see if they
wanted to live there ???).
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Notes / Quotes from
YOUNGBLOOD-ARMSTRONG & ALLIED FAMILIES by Frances Youngblood and
Floelle Youngblood Bonner; Frank R. Parkhurst and Son, Pensacola,
Florida, 1962
... (note that this book has been accepted as evidence by DAR)
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On pp. 25-26: "History tells us that the migration of new settlers into Alabama followed a rather well defined pattern. As a rule, the Tennesseans crossed over the broad Tennessee River into the Northern section and gradually pushed down towards the center of the state. The Georgians stayed as close to their old homes as possible by taking up lands in the eastern section. The Virginians and Carolinians, who had already left their old homes far behind them, pressed on deeper into the new state. They took possession of the bottom lands near the great rivers or the fine agricultural regions in the west and southwest."
" . Following this pattern, Thomas Youngblood, coming from South Carolina in 1834 selected for his new home a site on on Chunnenuggee Ridge in Pike County, now Bullock. This land was located about ten miles southwest of Union Springs, near the little town of Orion. Bughall and Mountain Creeks flowed through his property, thereby insuring sufficient water for his live stock.
"It was here that William Youngblood, his first grandson, was born on December 5, 1839.
"On the way to Alabama from Edgefield District, South Carolina, Thomas Youngblood and his wife, Jane (Head) Youngblood, with all ten of their children stopped for about a year in Harris County, Georgia, probably to make a crop to feed them for the rest of the journey. He was accompanied by other members of his family, brothers, sisters, nephews, nieces and their families, who also settled in Pike County and established the little town of Youngblood, Alabama, which is still on the map of the state.
"Farmer's History of Pike County states as follows: 'The small town of Youngblood is located about ten miles northwest of Troy in the direction of Montgomery. It was settled in 1834 by James Youngblood, David Youngblood, Jacob Youngblood and John B. Youngblood. They migrated from Edgefield District, South Carolina. In the early days the Youngbloods had a mill. The mill rock was brought from Edgefield, South Carolina, by James Youngblood and for many years it was the only mill in the section "
"Thomas Youngblood was a wealthy man when he came to Alabama "
....
Regarding Thomas and Jane Youngblood's son, John Waters Youngblood, the book says, pp. 36-37: "It is certain that the Johns Family lived in close proximity to the Youngblooks in South Carolina as shown by deeds for lands purchased by Robert Johns and later sold when he began to make his plans to move to Alabama. It is somewhat intriguing that the Johns and Youngbloods were friends before moving to Alabama and that they were all in the same caravan making the journey from South Carolina. It can be assumed that Frances Johns and John Waters Youngblood were sentimentally interested in each other, if not before leaving South Carolina, an interest must have developed en route. Upon reaching the state border, near Fort Mitchell, the Johns family pushed on to Chambers County while the Youngbloods followed the trail to Pike County."
They were members of the Missionary Baptist Church, Frances being a charter member.
One of Robert and Frances (Clarke) Johns daughters, Eliza (Johns) Hart, told her daughter, Ann (Hart) Buckalew of the perils her family faced on the trip to Alabama. (pp. 37-38 YOUNGBLOOD-ARMSTRONG & ALLIED FAMILIES). Mrs Buckalew wrote what her mother told her and the story was printed in the "LaFayette Sun" in 1902 and re-printed on October 15, 1930. She wrote:
"My parents moved from Edgefield, S.C. with the family of my grandfather, Col. Robert Johns in the fall of 1834. They moved in wagons, camping out at night, landing at Cusseta, Alabama on Dec. 25, 1834.
"When the trouble arose between the whites and the Indians almost every man carried his family over the river to West Point, seeming to think they would be safe. Mr. Daniel carried his family over and my parents moved into the hotel and took charge during his absence. In a short time a family in Russell County was massacred. The husband and father was not dead when found; he was carried to La Fayette and died at the hotel. My mother was the only white woman in town for a long while so great was the excitement and rumors reaching town almost daily that the Indians were crossing the river. My mother preferred to stay with my father and share his fate rather than suffer the uneasiness she knew would be hers away from him. The people had many frights even agter their return. At one time the Indians were expected and the women and children were put in the Court House at night while the men stood guard. My mother has often told me that she sat on the floor two nights and!
held me in her arms with my older sister asleep by her side. After that, for some time, wagons were loaded with the inhabitants most valuable possessions, the women and children, one man with each wagon, going into the most dense forest they could find, having no fire or light and afraid to speak above a whisper. My mother went out one night and the grass was nearly as tall as a man. She said she was more afraid of snakes than of Indians."
p. 197 ref to "Hist of S.C. Baptists - Townsend" WRT James Head, Baptist minister 1796 through 1802 and later.
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Tom Cloud <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
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You may not know you have this worm as worms send themselves to others when
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I am going to send this to "My Son The Programmer" to see if it IS a
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Has anyone else checked out the site Illinois State Wide Marriage Index?
the address http://www2.sos.state.il.us/cgi-bin/marriage
It is quite helpful. I typed in Cloud as the surname of the groom and came up with a little better than 3 pages and then I tried Cloud for the brides surname and came up with a little more than 3 pages more. Some of the names are familiar but I haven't as yet been able to fit the names into my database. Perhaps someone else will have more luck. If you have any Illinois ancestors it might be worth a look.I have found some on my Flint line on the list.
Joyce
Joyce
Well I sure dont have the time to track down the info so i guess I'll not
use it, but I sure do hate to miss all that is good. You may or maynot have
seen my web page, but what started out to just list my line has turned into
a general Cloud page. Folks from all over have sent me the results of their
research for posting, but I can see that there is a lot in the Ponds book
that no one has voluteered to me, so I kinda wanted to see if any of it fit
up with what i have now, but I really dont want to put known inacuracy in
there, so i guess just best keep going the way I have been. Thanks for the
your advise, but I really dont want to expend the time and energy to try and
sift thru it all. Thanks again
Ken Cloud
www.hom.net/~kennyc
----- Original Message -----
From: Joyce Daniels <jdaniels(a)concentric.net>
To: <CLOUD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2000 3:50 PM
Subject: [CLOUD-L] Pond Book
> Ken and any one else interested;
> As to what can be trusted in the Pond book, I have found it of much value
as a source of reference. It has given me many clues as to where to look.
I have found many mistakes some of which I am sure are typographical errors,
such as recording my husbands birth as 1920 instead of 1930. Must have
been a typo since I did send her the correct information. I have used the
works and have added information to my data base from the book but am trying
to verify all that I can. Living close to the Family History Library in
Salt Lake I am able to go quite often but I am finding it a monumental task
just checking the census records to see if people are in the places that
Ponds have placed them. Quite often I find that they were right in many
things but quite wrong in others. I would suggest going ahead and using
their information as a source for further research and then verify, verify
verify.
>
> Joyce
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