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I, for one, am inclined to agree with your conclusion; but, although it looks
like a very low probability, I don't see sufficient evidence to eliminate it as
a possibility for lower-priority attention. What we need is a hot lead to
follow.
I'm really not difficult to reach. My CStokes(a)Traveller.com address is being
phased out, but it should still be working (same account as CStokes(a)hiwaay.net).
Is there a "mailto" somewhere that is malfunctioning?
Cec
_____________________________________
in response to what GERALDINE wrote:
> First of all a big THANK YOU for giving me the tips for access to the Cloud
> web site. I cannot seem to communicate with Cecil Stokes--perhaps I don't
> have the right address.
> Secondly, <<snip>> ...
>
> What I believe I found was that "our Jeremiah" was not a descendant of Noah
> the RS from Edgefield, SC., but possibly one of the other brothers, or what
> about Martin Cloud who was in the vicinity? Anyone have anything to add or
> disagree with in these statements? I welcome any commentary.
>
> ==== CLOUD Mailing List ====
> ..............................................................
> Join the Cloud Family Association: http://genweb.net/~cloud/
First of all a big THANK YOU for giving me the tips for access to the Cloud
web site. I cannot seem to communicate with Cecil Stokes--perhaps I don't
have the right address.
Secondly, the ccs above were very thought provoking. In Everton's HANDY
BOOK FOR GENEALOGISTS it was written that the old 96th District in SC was
divided into 5 counties in 1795 among them were Edgefield and Spartanburg.
Also, earlier : 1729-Carolina was divided into both North and South Carolina
and in 1732 part of SC became a part of Georgia. These dates may important
in learning what Clouds lived where and when.
Carol wrote: "In the history of the Sweetwater Baptist Church
Sesquicentenial March 1832-March 1982" the list of charter members
included--John Cloud, Margaret Cloud, Jeremiah Cloud, Noah Cloud, Carrol
Cloud,Unity Cloud and Caroline Cloud. If I may hazard a guess, I would bet
that Margaret and John were the parents of some, if not all, of the rest."
After about 2 days more or less of research I found Carol to be right! The
only child I could not find, if she is their child is Caroline Cloud, but
there was another son born, not mentioned, Samuel B. Cloud, b 2 April
1820.(Joe and Laura Schmidt, e-mail, 12 March 1999)
What intrigued me was the name "Jeremiah." John is mentioned in his father's
will,( Noah the RS, thanks to Gail Manac, e-mail 11 March 1999) John and
Peggy have 6 children, if you count Caroline Cloud as their child. Among
his children are sons Jeremiah T, Noah Bartlett, Carrol, and Samuel B.( the
Schmidt's e-mail 12 March 1999)
Gail Manac (e-mail, 10 March 1999) wrote referring to Noah Cloud's will: "If
I have this figured out right, Reuben of Decatur Co. Ga, Jeremiah who went
to Texas, and John B of Alabama were brothers. Can anyone prove or disprove
this?"
Well, I wanted to prove this Jeremiah went to Texas. In the CFN, Vol. VII
No.2 p 16 there is an article on SOUTHERN CLAIMS COMMISSION, Washington, D.
C. The claims of Jerry T. Cloud, BROTHER OF DR. NOAH BARTLETT CLOUD,
therefore son of John, son of Noah the RS, did as he stated " I just
acquiesced after adoption of (the) ordinance of secession....I always felt
that secession was one of the worst things that could take place and would
produce civil war and that I had no confidence in it--that we could never
have two governments on this continent." He was a resident of La Place,
Macon Co., Ala. and died there in March, 1880. His claim was disallowed.
John B. Cloud of Alabama (according to the CFJ there are John B Clouds found
in Ohio, Ky, and Tn.) was the son of Noah mentioned in his will. Also, CFJ
historian, Jan Cloud and husband, Preston, wrote in the CFJ IX No 2, p.8
that ". . .Noah B. and father, John, with families and slaves, are reported
to have been farming Alabama properties. . . .Brothers Jeremiah T. and
Sampson B. followed. In the late 1830s . . . Noah B. secured land in
Macon Co. Ala." Since Jerry T. died in Macon Co. Ala. he must have gone
along with Noah.
Reuben may have been a brother of Noah the RS. The Edgefield Dist. SC 1810
Census lists a Peter, Noah, John and Reuben Cloud. Linda Oatman (e-mail, 10
February 1999) wrote from her Ancestral File that Ezekial Cloud the RS had
8 brothers--Jeremiah Jr., Elijah, Peter, Joel, Reuben, Aaron, Noah the RS
and believe there is another brother, John who along with Peter and Noah
sign an affidavit of character for Ezekiel (GA. Dept. of Archives and
History) There is AN AFFIDAVIT CONCERNING A CLAIM TO FEDERAL GOVERNMENT
stated and signed by Ezekial Cloud of Henry County, Ga. in which he refers
to his father, Jeremiah, his brother Noah and two other brothers whom he
does not name. It is interesting that in 40,000 EARLY GEORGIA MARRIAGES,by
Maddox and Cater, 1977 a Reuben Cloud is shown to have married Lotty
Giddens, 11 October, 1830.
What I believe I found was that "our Jeremiah" was not a descendant of Noah
the RS from Edgefield, SC., but possibly one of the other brothers, or what
about Martin Cloud who was in the vicinity? Anyone have anything to add or
disagree with in these statements? I welcome any commentary.
Tom,
Yes! I'm anxious to join efforts to gather our clues!
Cec
in response to what cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu wrote:
> Cecil, Lura, Geraldine, Byron, et al ..... I'm planning to put a
> link on our "Jeremiah" page entitled something like "CLUES" or ??
> I'd like to put what we know and/or suspect in some sort of cohesive,
> understandable format so that we can all refer to it quickly ... and
> not get lost in all the details.
>
> It's looking more and more to me like our evidence will come from
> either probate or church records in GA ??? From what I can deduce,
> Jeremiah may have been in SC, but it was apparently for a short time,
> and deeds don't normally have the relationship of people spelled out
> in them (i.e. he may have bought/sold land in SC, but what would that
> tell us ??).
>
> So, Cecil, Lura, Geraldine, Byron, et al .... are you up to helping
> me make a "CLUES" page ??
>
> At 02:04 PM 3/29/99 -0600, you wrote:
> >Some of the current discussion reminds me of earlier discussions (shown
> below),
> >which may be of interest to those who were not on board at that time or
> others
> >(like me) who could use a refresher without going back to the library.
> >
> >Has anyone looked for the Wilkes County CLOUD land records (or successor
> county
>
> ......... snippooo
>
> Tom Cloud <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
>
> ==== CLOUD Mailing List ====
> ..............................................................
> Join the Cloud Family Association: http://genweb.net/~cloud/
-----Original Message-----
From: TXJean(a)aol.com <TXJean(a)aol.com>
To: legs(a)jps.net <legs(a)jps.net>
Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 10:29 PM
Subject: Re: Kingsland Gen Soc
>Okay, Ralph will seek out the address for their society...Barbara Burk of
>Marble Falls, TX is a member and several others I know...will find
out...and
>give to you..TXJEAN
>
At 12:42 PM 3/30/99, Carol Hardy Bryan <HARDYBRYAN1(a)aikenelectric.net> wrote:
>Dear Tom,
>
>The Georgia Baptist History Depository is located in Special collections,
>Mercer University Main Library, 1300 Edgewood Avenue, Macon, GA 31207,
>912-752-2968.
>
>We were happy to have you visit Tompkins Library and would love to have you
>as a member of our society. Our members live all over the United States
>and the QUILL goes out to over 500 places every two months. This gives us
>a lot of coverage for queries.
>
>Best of luck as you pursue your ancesters!
>
>Carol Hardy Bryan
>QUILL Editor
>Old Edgefield District Genealogical Society
Carol, thank you so much for the information on the Baptist History
Depository in Georgia. I will contact them ..... do you know if they
do research for people far away ??
How much is membership in your organization ? ..... as you probably
surmise, I am already "membershipped out", but I will pass the
information along.
Tom Cloud <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
>
>Dear Group,
> I am new to the group and need your help. Our Clouds, we Dickerson
>researchers think, came from Wilkes or later Franklin Co. Ga. through Adams
>Co. Miss. ca 1791, Jefferson Co. Mississsippi (in 1820 census) to Amite Co.
>Mississippi and later settled in Ouachita Pa., Louisiana. Does anyone have
a
>similar line?
> Adam Cloud was in Franklin Co.Ga. in 1791. His heirs were John W.
>Cloud, Samuel G. and Monoah (Noah maybe) Cloud in deeds of 1816 and 1817.
>Later an Adam Cloud and his wife were in Jefferson County Missisippi.
> I'm looking specifically for Elizabeth Cloud (proven in the line)
>who was married to Robert Dickerson in Amite Co. Miss. in 1810. Their
>daughter Eleanor is proven in my line. Eleanor's brother John Dickerson
>married Mary Ann Cloud so there's another Cloud name in the family. We're
>not sure how or if she is related to Elizabeth Cloud. There is an Elizabeth
>Cloyd who served as a witness for Daniel Burnett in Clairborne Co., Miss.
in
>a Miss. land claim in 1805.
> To make things more interesting, I have a John Cloud Rogers married
>to Elizabeth Allenthorpe both born Georgia in the same generation in
another
>line in the same parish in Louisiana. There was a mention in the Sweetwater
>Baptist Sesquicentennial message of a Mrs. Mary Rogers who had an interview
>with a Comanche chief. She is a descendant of Jeremiah Cloud. Does anyone
>know anything about her Roger's and Cloud's? Can someone help make sense of
>this? I appreciate very much your time and consideration. Thank you.
> Kathy King
>
Tom...you wrote on 29 Mar....
**********snip*****
So, Cecil, Lura, Geraldine, Byron, et al .... are you up to helping
me make a "CLUES" page ??
Will be more than happy to do what I can.....time is limited until I
finish my taxes. Have finished my mom's, and my roommates. Hope to
have mine finished by this weekend. Am not much of an early bird.
Especially while preparing for our Easter Cantata. This year I have
a whole song to sing by myself..so, IOT to not have to hold
microphone and turn pages...worked on memorizing it.
Let me know what you would like from me.....You do sooooo much, would
like to help.
Lura
Hi, Cloud researchers. Wilkes County GA was called St. Paul Parish before
it was made a county. beth l. austin
-----Original Message-----
From: cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
To: CLOUD-L(a)rootsweb.com <CLOUD-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Monday, March 29, 1999 9:01 AM
Subject: [CLOUD-L] Sweetwater Baptist Sesquicentennial, SC
>
>Carol -- and my fellow researchers on the Cloud discussion list
>
>Carol wrote me snail mail, part of which I transcribe below for the
>list: (Carol works with the "Old Edgefield District Genealogical
>Society" in SC and is the editor of "The Quill" which, I suppose,
>is the publication of that society ???).
>
>Carol Hardy Bryan <hardybryan1(a)aikenelectric.net> wrote:
>============================================================
>============================================================
>"In the "History of the Sweetwater Baptist Church Sesquicentennial
>March 1832 - March 1982" the list of charter members included the
>following"
>
>"John Cloud, Margaret Cloud, Jeremiah Cloud, Noah Cloud, Carrol Cloud,
>Unity Cloud and Caroline Cloud. If I may hazard a guess, I would bet
>that Margaret and John were the parents of some, if not all, of the rest.
>John Cloud and John Curry were chosen as delegates to the Edgefield
>in August 1832. You didn't memtion to me what part of Georgia you
>had found your Cloud family in. Have you searched church records
>there?"
>============================================================
>============================================================
>
>Carol, thank you so much for writing. The information you provide is
>probably very significant -- I just wish I knew how. To answer your
>question re Georgia ... no, I haven't checked any church records there,
>and that is a very good idea. Do you know how I can do that from here
>in Texas ??
>
>It is my intent to write something up to submit for your "Cloud"
>folder in your Tompkins Library and that would have more information
>than I dare send here.
>
>"My" Jeremiah is said to have been born in Wilkes County GA 1782-1786,
>but Wilkes County didn't exist at that time.
>
>There is a book in your library: "YOUNGBLOOD-ARMSTRONG AND ALLIED
>FAMILIES" by Frances Youngblood and Foelle Youngblood Bonner. On
>p. 301, next-to-last paragraph: "Mary McDade ... married ...
>H.G.W. Cloud, son of Jeremiah and Elizabeth Cloud, FORMERLY
>OF SOUTH CAROLINA. (Mar. Bk C, p. 311, Montgy, Ala.)
> ..... (CAPS above, mine)
>
>The McDades lived in Edgefield county (and Spartanburg), hence
>our theory that my Jeremiah may have lived there also. I erred
>in my search while I was in your library .... I was looking
>for his family to have lived there _before his birth_. I
>should have been more careful ... the above quote lists his
>children and his wife, hence he was already born! So, if
>he lived in Edgefield, it would have probably been between
>1812 and 1836. But, we know he was in Alabama in 1816 and
>is on the 1830 census there. So, he would have had to
>be in SC prior to 1816 ??? Speculation: Jeremiah b. ca 1784
>Wilkes GA, married Elizabeth ca 1801, moved to SC ca 1812,
>moved to AL ca 1816 and then to TX 1837.
>
>Below notes on "my" Jeremiah:
>
>Jeremiah (Jerry) W. CLOUD Sr.
>------------------------------
>
>1. Jeremiah (Jerry) W. CLOUD Sr.1,2,3,4 was born between 1782 and 1786 in
>Wilkes County, Georgia. He died on MAR 14 1861 in Austin County, Texas.
>He was buried in Austin County, Texas.
>
>He was married to Elizabeth UNKNOWN about 1801. (Marriage date deduced
>from his obituary of March, 1861 which says he was married to Elizabeth for
>60 years.) Jeremiah was a farmer and, it is believed, was born in what is
>now Twiggs County, GA (or Wilkes or Wilkinson County??), Twiggs county not
>yet being formed. He is listed on the 1830, Montgomery AL, census as
>between 40 and 49 years. The ages he gave on the 1850 and 1860 censuses
>from Austin County, TX indicate he was born in 1786 though the year of 1784
>is specified in his obituary. Moved from GA to Alabama about 1816 and is
>listed on the 1830 Montgomery County Alabama census.
>
>On October 21, 1998, Geraldine Talley wrote:
> "I discovered a book, "YOUNGBLOOD-ARMSTRONG AND ALLIED FAMILIES", by
>Frances Youngblood and Floelle Youngblood Bonner (her sister) ... The
>authors state several times the names of Jeremiah and Elizabeth Cloud as
>being FORMERLY OF SOUTH CAROLINA. I learned that many living in Georgia at
>the beginning of the 1812 War fled to other states. Could it be we have
>been looking in the wrong place for "our" Texas Jeremiah? How about
>Spartanburg Co.-- that's where the McDades came from and they appear to
>have been close friends."
>
> He must have moved to the Republic of Texas prior to October of 1837,
>as he received a 2nd class Headright grand from the Republic and he was in
>Austin Colony by 1838. In a newspaper interview, his granddaughter, Mary
>Rogers, at 95 years of age, said that he brought thirty slaves with him and
>was awarded land for each child and each slave he brought.
> He acquired 155 acres of land in Austin County 4-26-1838 (deed #95) and
>19 acres of land in Austin County 4-2-1838 (deed #117) from James
>Stephenson in the James Stephenson Survey. He received one section (640
>acres) of "Headright" land from the Republic of Texas in Bosque County,
>Texas. This was a third class grant for married men who arrived in the
>Republic after 10-1-1837.
>
>He was on the 1840 tax rolls of Austin County and the 1850 & 1860 Austin
>County Texas census (pg. 89).
>
>His obituary appeared in the April 6, 1861 Hempstead Courier and reads as
>follows:
>
>" Died, On Caney creek in this county, on the
>14th ult., MR. JEREMIAH CLOUD, Sr., In the
>77th year of his age.
>
>" Mr. C. was born in Twiggs Co.,
>Georgia, in 1784; emigrated to Mont-
>gomery Co. Alabama in 1816, when he
>removed to this State, in which he
>lived up to the time of his death, shar-
>ing her joys and sorrows.
>
>" He leaves behind him what the best
>of us aspire to, an unsullied reputation;
>besides a numerous family, consisting
>of his first and only wife, who was the
>partner of his days for sixty years,
>six children, thirty four grand-children,
>and twenty-six great grand children;
>all of whom must be often reminded
>of his absence, and feel the want of
>his experienced counsel."
>
>Jeremiah (Jerry) W. CLOUD Sr. and Elizabeth UNKNOWN had the following
>children:
> +2 i. Mary Elizabeth CLOUD.
> +3 ii. Henry George Washington (H.G.W.) CLOUD.
> +4 iii. James M. CLOUD.
> +5 iv. John Clark (J.C.) CLOUD Sr..
> +6 v. Andrew Jackson (Alex / A.J.) CLOUD.
> +7 vi. Elcena L. (E.L.) CLOUD.
> +8 vii. William J. CLOUD.
> +9 viii. Elizabeth CLOUD.
> +10 ix. Francis Marion (F.M. or Frank) CLOUD.
>SOURCES
>
>1. Newspaper of Hempstead, Austin County, TX. April 6, 1861.
>2. Interview in The Comanche Chief of August 2, 1929 of Mrs. Mary Rogers,
>daughter of John Clark Cloud and granddaughter of Jeremiah Cloud.
>3. Rachel Adams (Cloud) Pond and Chaplain (Col.) Clifton Ray Pond. CLOUD
>FAMILY; Compiled by Rachel Adams (Cloud) Pond; Regent, Pierre Van Cortlandt
>Chapter, D.A.R., Peekskill, New York, and by Chaplain (Col.) Clifton Ray
>Pond, D.D.; Member, Empire State Society, S.A.R.; New York, 1961. 1961.
>4. Frances Youngblood and (her sister) Foelle Youngblood Bonne.
>YOUNGBLOOD-ARMSTRONG AND ALLIED FAMILIES. Frank R. Parkhurst and Son,
>Pensacola, Florida, 1962.
>
>==========================================================
>==========================================================
>
>Tom Cloud <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
>
>
>==== CLOUD Mailing List ====
> ..................................................................
> Have you submitted your Cloud lineage to the List?
> If you're new, please submit a brief description of your ancestry.
>
Tom...you wrote on 29 Mar....
**********snip*****
So, Cecil, Lura, Geraldine, Byron, et al .... are you up to helping
me make a "CLUES" page ??
Will be more than happy to do what I can.....time is limited until I
finish my taxes. Have finished my mom's, and my roommates. Hope to
have mine finished by this weekend. Am not much of an early bird.
Especially while preparing for our Easter Cantata. This year I have
a whole song to sing by myself..so, IOT to not have to hold
microphone and turn pages...worked on memorizing it.
Let me know what you would like from me.....You do sooooo much, would
like to help.
Lura
RE: the LDS site
==============================================
From: ImaBR(a)aol.com
To: BELL-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [BELL-L] UPDATE ON LDS RECORDS SEARCH
Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 2:52 PM
This Should Answer Question About LDS SEARCH
Hello Fellow Researchers,
I have been bombarded with questions on the Family Search Website and
would like to pass on to you the information I received when I spoke to
an "Official" Church spokesperson at Family Search.
He advised me of the following: The OFFICIAL LDS Church website is
LDS.ORG Go to media resources and find News update. The church is
posting updates as they come in as to the status of the family search.
Within 3 or 4 minutes of the NEWS UPDATE ANNOUNCING the FAMILY SEARCH
is online. They will post it THERE! SO Keep checking. Should be a couple
of days. It will be a MASSIVE SITE. They are prepared to test this site
using anyone who wishes to go to it and use it. THERE WILL BE NO
PASSWORD TO ACCESS IT. The rumor about the password was incorrect.
When the site was put up it was restricted to a few....about 100 people
who designed it and are putting the finishing touches on it, someone
there LEAKED, YES LEAKED, (AN EMPLOYEE) and that is why some of you
got in. When the masses bombarded the site it crashed cause it was not
finished. They have now given each worker an INDIVIDUAL PASSWORD, SO IF
it gets leaked again they will know who did it. It has been postponed
being put online a few days because of the crash.
There are now about 12 popular stories going around about Family Search.
I ASSURE YOU MINE CAME FROM A CHURCH SPOKESMAN.
IF you pass information about the site on to others please just send them
this message I have sent you. The whole message. Now please remember
this.
1. Go to LDS.org
2. Find Media Resources
3. Check News Updates
That will inform you when it is going online. Please notify everyone you
know who will be interested. I hope this helps you all. You have my
permission to pass this note on to any Genealogy Lists you wish. Again,
Please pass the whole note not just sections of it or we will have more
rumors.
Thanks, Karen Gaughan in Pa. Pahendrsht(a)aol.com:
============================================================
Tom Cloud <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
Cecil, Lura, Geraldine, Byron, et al ..... I'm planning to put a
link on our "Jeremiah" page entitled something like "CLUES" or ??
I'd like to put what we know and/or suspect in some sort of cohesive,
understandable format so that we can all refer to it quickly ... and
not get lost in all the details.
It's looking more and more to me like our evidence will come from
either probate or church records in GA ??? From what I can deduce,
Jeremiah may have been in SC, but it was apparently for a short time,
and deeds don't normally have the relationship of people spelled out
in them (i.e. he may have bought/sold land in SC, but what would that
tell us ??).
So, Cecil, Lura, Geraldine, Byron, et al .... are you up to helping
me make a "CLUES" page ??
At 02:04 PM 3/29/99 -0600, you wrote:
>Some of the current discussion reminds me of earlier discussions (shown
below),
>which may be of interest to those who were not on board at that time or
others
>(like me) who could use a refresher without going back to the library.
>
>Has anyone looked for the Wilkes County CLOUD land records (or successor
county
......... snippooo
Tom Cloud <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
Some of the current discussion reminds me of earlier discussions (shown below),
which may be of interest to those who were not on board at that time or others
(like me) who could use a refresher without going back to the library.
Has anyone looked for the Wilkes County CLOUD land records (or successor county
records) that might reveal what happened to the land (sold, distributed to heirs,
etc.)? How about SC records? I know that many GA records are listed as "lost", but
I do not
remember hearing about these specific records and have not had occasion to dig for
them myself.
Cec
____________________________________________________________
earlier messages:
Cecil Stokes wrote:
> BCloud1788(a)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > I received a packet of information from Wayne and Diann Cloud in Georgia.
> > There was a copy of the will of Noah Cloud which was written in 1834. The
> > will was probated in 1838. Noah left his estate to his wife Unity, with the
> > heirs of his son John Cloud, the heirs of his daughter Mary Swearingin and
> > the heirs of his son Jeremiah, to share equally 1/3rd upon his wife's death
> > or remarriage. The executors were son John and grandson Henry Swearingin. He
> > gave the heirs of William Cloud, the heirs of Reuben Cloud, and the heirs of
> > James Cloud, the sum of $2. upon his wife's death or remarriage.
> > This could very well be our Jeremiah. Noah was in the District of Edgefield
> > in South Carolina at the time the will was written. This could very well be
> > the same Noah who was in Wilkes County during and after the Revolution along
> > with William, James and Rueben.
> > It would appear we need to concentrate our efforts to see who these people
> > were. Perhaps if we look into the Swearingen family, John, James, Rueben,
> > and William Cloud's lines, someone may have done some research we can use.
> > Any ideas?
>
> It appears to me that we should follow the lines of research you
> suggest, but I immediately find some cause to dampen my optimism in the
> Wilkes County, Georgia, Tax Records of 1785-1805; (Compiled and
> Published by Frank Parker Hudson; 975.8172Hu Vol 1):
>
> 1785 R, Captain Pope's District:
> No. 018 John CLOUD, Wilkes Cty., 700 acres 2nd class land
> No. 035 Noah CLOUD, Wilkes Cty., 200 acres 1st class land & 200 a. 2nd
> class land
> No. 042 Jeremiah CLOUD, Wilkes Cty., 450 acres. 2nd class land
> 1787 LL, Capt. Pulliam's District:
> No. 013 George CLOUD(?), Wilkes Cty., 200 acres. 3rd class land
>
> This indicates that a Noah CLOUD, a John CLOUD, and a Jeremiah CLOUD
> were owners of neighboring Wilkes County lands in 1785. This could very
> well be the family grouping established by the Noah CLOUD will quoted in
> your message. This Jeremiah would then have been born before 1765 and
> would probably not be OUR Jeremiah; however, OUR Jeremiah could well be
> the son (or nephew) of this Jeremiah and the grandson of the Noah CLOUD
> whose will you cited. Or, of course, the grouping could be coincidental.
>
> So much for my initial follow-up.
>
> Cec
Some place I read about a Richard Cloud cooming to the US aboard the ship
Unicorn. It stated that he had a land grant from Wm Penn. Does any one know
how this times into the line of Wm Cloud that also came to the US about the
same time?
Ralph Corbett
legs(a)jps.net
Carol -- and my fellow researchers on the Cloud discussion list
Carol wrote me snail mail, part of which I transcribe below for the
list: (Carol works with the "Old Edgefield District Genealogical
Society" in SC and is the editor of "The Quill" which, I suppose,
is the publication of that society ???).
Carol Hardy Bryan <hardybryan1(a)aikenelectric.net> wrote:
============================================================
============================================================
"In the "History of the Sweetwater Baptist Church Sesquicentennial
March 1832 - March 1982" the list of charter members included the
following"
"John Cloud, Margaret Cloud, Jeremiah Cloud, Noah Cloud, Carrol Cloud,
Unity Cloud and Caroline Cloud. If I may hazard a guess, I would bet
that Margaret and John were the parents of some, if not all, of the rest.
John Cloud and John Curry were chosen as delegates to the Edgefield
in August 1832. You didn't memtion to me what part of Georgia you
had found your Cloud family in. Have you searched church records
there?"
============================================================
============================================================
Carol, thank you so much for writing. The information you provide is
probably very significant -- I just wish I knew how. To answer your
question re Georgia ... no, I haven't checked any church records there,
and that is a very good idea. Do you know how I can do that from here
in Texas ??
It is my intent to write something up to submit for your "Cloud"
folder in your Tompkins Library and that would have more information
than I dare send here.
"My" Jeremiah is said to have been born in Wilkes County GA 1782-1786,
but Wilkes County didn't exist at that time.
There is a book in your library: "YOUNGBLOOD-ARMSTRONG AND ALLIED
FAMILIES" by Frances Youngblood and Foelle Youngblood Bonner. On
p. 301, next-to-last paragraph: "Mary McDade ... married ...
H.G.W. Cloud, son of Jeremiah and Elizabeth Cloud, FORMERLY
OF SOUTH CAROLINA. (Mar. Bk C, p. 311, Montgy, Ala.)
..... (CAPS above, mine)
The McDades lived in Edgefield county (and Spartanburg), hence
our theory that my Jeremiah may have lived there also. I erred
in my search while I was in your library .... I was looking
for his family to have lived there _before his birth_. I
should have been more careful ... the above quote lists his
children and his wife, hence he was already born! So, if
he lived in Edgefield, it would have probably been between
1812 and 1836. But, we know he was in Alabama in 1816 and
is on the 1830 census there. So, he would have had to
be in SC prior to 1816 ??? Speculation: Jeremiah b. ca 1784
Wilkes GA, married Elizabeth ca 1801, moved to SC ca 1812,
moved to AL ca 1816 and then to TX 1837.
Below notes on "my" Jeremiah:
Jeremiah (Jerry) W. CLOUD Sr.
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1. Jeremiah (Jerry) W. CLOUD Sr.1,2,3,4 was born between 1782 and 1786 in
Wilkes County, Georgia. He died on MAR 14 1861 in Austin County, Texas.
He was buried in Austin County, Texas.
He was married to Elizabeth UNKNOWN about 1801. (Marriage date deduced
from his obituary of March, 1861 which says he was married to Elizabeth for
60 years.) Jeremiah was a farmer and, it is believed, was born in what is
now Twiggs County, GA (or Wilkes or Wilkinson County??), Twiggs county not
yet being formed. He is listed on the 1830, Montgomery AL, census as
between 40 and 49 years. The ages he gave on the 1850 and 1860 censuses
from Austin County, TX indicate he was born in 1786 though the year of 1784
is specified in his obituary. Moved from GA to Alabama about 1816 and is
listed on the 1830 Montgomery County Alabama census.
On October 21, 1998, Geraldine Talley wrote:
"I discovered a book, "YOUNGBLOOD-ARMSTRONG AND ALLIED FAMILIES", by
Frances Youngblood and Floelle Youngblood Bonner (her sister) ... The
authors state several times the names of Jeremiah and Elizabeth Cloud as
being FORMERLY OF SOUTH CAROLINA. I learned that many living in Georgia at
the beginning of the 1812 War fled to other states. Could it be we have
been looking in the wrong place for "our" Texas Jeremiah? How about
Spartanburg Co.-- that's where the McDades came from and they appear to
have been close friends."
He must have moved to the Republic of Texas prior to October of 1837,
as he received a 2nd class Headright grand from the Republic and he was in
Austin Colony by 1838. In a newspaper interview, his granddaughter, Mary
Rogers, at 95 years of age, said that he brought thirty slaves with him and
was awarded land for each child and each slave he brought.
He acquired 155 acres of land in Austin County 4-26-1838 (deed #95) and
19 acres of land in Austin County 4-2-1838 (deed #117) from James
Stephenson in the James Stephenson Survey. He received one section (640
acres) of "Headright" land from the Republic of Texas in Bosque County,
Texas. This was a third class grant for married men who arrived in the
Republic after 10-1-1837.
He was on the 1840 tax rolls of Austin County and the 1850 & 1860 Austin
County Texas census (pg. 89).
His obituary appeared in the April 6, 1861 Hempstead Courier and reads as
follows:
" Died, On Caney creek in this county, on the
14th ult., MR. JEREMIAH CLOUD, Sr., In the
77th year of his age.
" Mr. C. was born in Twiggs Co.,
Georgia, in 1784; emigrated to Mont-
gomery Co. Alabama in 1816, when he
removed to this State, in which he
lived up to the time of his death, shar-
ing her joys and sorrows.
" He leaves behind him what the best
of us aspire to, an unsullied reputation;
besides a numerous family, consisting
of his first and only wife, who was the
partner of his days for sixty years,
six children, thirty four grand-children,
and twenty-six great grand children;
all of whom must be often reminded
of his absence, and feel the want of
his experienced counsel."
Jeremiah (Jerry) W. CLOUD Sr. and Elizabeth UNKNOWN had the following
children:
+2 i. Mary Elizabeth CLOUD.
+3 ii. Henry George Washington (H.G.W.) CLOUD.
+4 iii. James M. CLOUD.
+5 iv. John Clark (J.C.) CLOUD Sr..
+6 v. Andrew Jackson (Alex / A.J.) CLOUD.
+7 vi. Elcena L. (E.L.) CLOUD.
+8 vii. William J. CLOUD.
+9 viii. Elizabeth CLOUD.
+10 ix. Francis Marion (F.M. or Frank) CLOUD.
SOURCES
1. Newspaper of Hempstead, Austin County, TX. April 6, 1861.
2. Interview in The Comanche Chief of August 2, 1929 of Mrs. Mary Rogers,
daughter of John Clark Cloud and granddaughter of Jeremiah Cloud.
3. Rachel Adams (Cloud) Pond and Chaplain (Col.) Clifton Ray Pond. CLOUD
FAMILY; Compiled by Rachel Adams (Cloud) Pond; Regent, Pierre Van Cortlandt
Chapter, D.A.R., Peekskill, New York, and by Chaplain (Col.) Clifton Ray
Pond, D.D.; Member, Empire State Society, S.A.R.; New York, 1961. 1961.
4. Frances Youngblood and (her sister) Foelle Youngblood Bonne.
YOUNGBLOOD-ARMSTRONG AND ALLIED FAMILIES. Frank R. Parkhurst and Son,
Pensacola, Florida, 1962.
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Tom Cloud <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
oops, sorry, Linda .... I didn't cc the Cloud list !
At 04:35 PM 3/28/99, "Linda Knight" <linkni(a)bellsouth.net> wrote:
>>>>
Hi..................We are seeking information linking James Berry Cloud
born Dec. 23, 1847 died Jan.18, 1919, with Elizabeth Jane(Jennie)Cloud,
Biaz, Wimmer.Elizabeth was the daughter of Polly and Martin Cloud of
Lumpkin County, Ga. Jennie married Peter L. Wimmer in Lexinton, Mo.,in 1845
after the deaths of thier respective spouses, Obadiah Biaz and Polly Harlan
Wimmer.They traveled to Sutters Fort, Ca., arriving on Nov. 15, 1846, and
was employed by John Sutter in the building of a saw mill. Jennie found the
first gold nugget that began the gold rush.Reference North Georgia Journal,
winter 1996. We think he may be a younger brother. Any information would be
greatly appreciated. Linda Knight
<<<<
Linda, this is truly an interesting story ..... I'm cc'ing it to the
Cloud Family Discussion Group (are you a member ??). I do not recognize
any of these names, but I'm sure someone on the discussion group will.
group .... please (cc the group) and write Linda directly
"Linda Knight" <linkni(a)bellsouth.net>
thanks,
Tom Cloud <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
Tom,
Found something you might be interested in. Or you may already have it.
Jeremiah Cloud is listed as having taxable property in Madison Co. Ala.,
which at the time was Ms. Territory.(1810)
Found here:
http://members.aol.com/GenWebLisa/1810madison.htm
Gail
...... FYI, this just sent to me
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These are some of my handwritten notes that I came across while looking
for something else. Thought someone might could use them.
Texas Adjutant General Service Records 1836-1935
name organization call no.
A.L. Cloud RRR 401-113
A.L. Cloud SR 401-72
J.C. Cloud LR 401-127
John E. Cloud USV 401-225
L.E. Cloud RRR 401-113
William G. Cloud USV 401-225
Abbreviations:
RRR--Railroad Rangers 1922-1935
SR---Special Rangers 1916-1934
LR---Loyalty Rangers 1918
USV--United States Volunteers--Spanish American War 1898
I hope this will be of help to someone.
Gail
Annette, the "peaches" comes from the sick mind of one of my dearest
friends who is the admin for that particular computer (you can also
substitute "hagar" for the peaches and I will get the mail .... I
suspect he'll name a computer "dilbert" before long ????) ..... if
you ever get to administering large networks, finding names for each
of the "confuzers" becomes a challenge .... sorta like naming a dozen
kids !
..... and thank you for the continued tutelage on Cloud Creek in SC.
At 08:23 AM 3/25/99 -0500, you wrote:
>Tom, I am fascinated by your E-Mail address! PEACHES? As you know, our
>section of SC (the RIDGE), is famous for its peaches. Our farm has 71/2
>acres of peaches. I haven't figured out what section of Cloud's Creek that
>Martin Cloud settled on. The creek flows from here, across this part of
>Saluda County, into Batesburg-Leesville (Lexington County), and then flows
>on toward Lake Murray or the Big Saluda River, on the other side of Saluda
>County. I taught at the Piedmont Tech extension in Newberry, SC last
>semester. I travelled through Batesburg-Leesville, and took the
>Prosperity-Newberry Highway. I was in and out of Saluda County three times
>on the trip! Our little county has a very weird shape. I believe Cloud's
>settlement was on the other side--out of Leesville, about where the Cloud's
>Creek Massacre is supposed to have taken place. I am not a history major, so
>please don't be angry if it turns out to be different! I have an
>acquaintance in the state department of archives and history--an
>archeologist--who tells me I use my ESP rather than accepted clues--but the
>Lord has protected me, and I'm not usually far wrong! Annette
>
>
>
Tom Cloud <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>