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Tom Cloud wrote:
>
> looking for a town in OK by the above name (I have no
> idea how it's spelled -- that's just the way it sounded
> when my 93 year old aunt told me where her uncle John
> lived
>
> Uncle John CLOUD apparently was county clerk and county
> treasurer there (so, I guess I'll need to know what county
> it's in, how it's spelled and where it's located ???
>
> this "Uncle John" is probably the son of William Lafayette
> (my g-grandfather), son of William Jasper, son of Jeremiah
> CLOUD (1782 - 1861; GA --> AL --> TX). If so, he would
> have likely been born sometime after 1920 and may still be
> living -- would be ECSTATIC if I could find him or his siblings
> (Mary Cloud HOPGOOD or Alice Cloud SPAULDING).
>
> thanks,
> Tom Cloud
>
> They say the mind is the first thing to go ... and I can't remember the second
HI TOM~~~~~~~If info we have is right, I'm from Talitha CLOUD & Isaac
CANTRELL > Mary CANTRELL & Wm DANIEL > John DANIEL & Nancy A. GAINES >
Peter DANIEL & Mary Cantrall BETHEL > John W. DANIEL & Mary Ellen HAMPTON >
Wm. Blueford DANIEL & Artie Susan MANIS > Mary Susan DANIEL & Henry Austin
MARTIN > my parents > me
You can figure any relationship from there......if any.......
I think the place you may be looking for is "SASAKWA", & it looks like it's
in SEMINOLE CO....it's SE of OK. CITY, & almost due W of MCALESTER...hope
this helps you......I just looked it up in a huge map we have.
>this "Uncle John" is probably the son of William Lafayette
>(my g-grandfather), son of William Jasper, son of Jeremiah
>CLOUD (1782 - 1861; GA --> AL --> TX). If so, he would
>have likely been born sometime after 1920 and may still be
>living -- would be ECSTATIC if I could find him or his siblings
>(Mary Cloud HOPGOOD or Alice Cloud SPAULDING).
MISTAKE -- in my estimation of Uncle John's age, I was a generation
off !! He was probably born around 1881.
Tom Cloud
They say the mind is the first thing to go ... and I can't remember the second
looking for a town in OK by the above name (I have no
idea how it's spelled -- that's just the way it sounded
when my 93 year old aunt told me where her uncle John
lived
Uncle John CLOUD apparently was county clerk and county
treasurer there (so, I guess I'll need to know what county
it's in, how it's spelled and where it's located ???
this "Uncle John" is probably the son of William Lafayette
(my g-grandfather), son of William Jasper, son of Jeremiah
CLOUD (1782 - 1861; GA --> AL --> TX). If so, he would
have likely been born sometime after 1920 and may still be
living -- would be ECSTATIC if I could find him or his siblings
(Mary Cloud HOPGOOD or Alice Cloud SPAULDING).
thanks,
Tom Cloud
They say the mind is the first thing to go ... and I can't remember the second
NBJHENRY(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> Very Interesting:
>
> Could you check and see if there is record on CLOUD, Wiley Van Buren. B.
> 1840, and buried 11-14-1903 in Tomaha, Choctaw Nation, Oklahoma. Married
> Nancy Mills 4-29-1864.
>
> Thanks,
> NBJHENRY(a)Aol.Com (Betty)
Betty:
I did not find anything on Wiley Van Buren CLOUD on the rest of the
film. The film though was very difficult to read in many places. The ink
was faded or the words were unreadable. So he may have been there but I
did noy see his name.
For anyone who needs info I found another Cloud.
age pob yrs in Terr
CLOUD, Daniel (H) 56 IN(?) 18
America (W) 37 KY
Mary F. (D) 18 IN
Clarind(?)(D) 14 IN
Elizabeth F.(D) 12 IN
Ella (D) 9 IN
Wm H. (S) 7 IN
Archibald (S) 3 KS
Daniel C. (S) 7 mos KS
Daniel was listed as a soldier. The best I could read (and may not be
accurate) was, CO C 23rd Ind?
I have filled in a few gaps on Jesse and his daughter Louella. The ifo I
am getting from GP and GM is very sketchy so I hope someone can help.
Jesse CLOUD M. unknown JOHNSON
C. Louella (f)
C. Teet (m)
C. Jim (m)
C. Sinie (f)
C. Cindy (f)
C. Norah (f)
C. Maggie (f)
C Hudson (m)
Jim CLOUD M. unknown PERKINS
C. Barnette (m) (lived in Dallas Texas in the 1970's and 80's)
C. Burness (m)
Sinie CLOUD M. unknown JOHNSON
Hudson CLOUD M. Audie LAMBRIGHT
Everything I have checked out (Allen Parish La. and Dallas) has turned up
zip.
Any help !!greatly!! appreciated.
Tommy
Tom
Berry goot.
Ken Cloud
----------
> From: Tom Cloud <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
> To: Talitha Walter <TWALTE01(a)EDS1.nhic.slg.eds.com>; Cloud Family
discussion list <CLOUD-L(a)rootsweb.com>; Byron Cloud <BCloud1788(a)aol.com>;
chw(a)ssz.com
> Subject: Census records
> Date: Friday, August 15, 1997 10:32 AM
>
> The following is a real note sent from a census taker in the
> 1800s to the government. This may explain why a lot of us have
> variations in the spellings of our names. LOL
>
> centsus rekurds "I am a cencus taker for the city of Bufflow. Our
> city has groan very fast in resent years and now, in 1865, it has
> becum a hard and time consooming job to count all the peephill.
> Thare is not meny that can do this werk, as it is necesarie to
> have a ejucashun, which a lot of pursons still do not have. Another
> atribeart needed for this job is good speling, for meny of the
> peephill to be caounted can hardle speek inglish, let alone spel
> there name."
>
>
>
>
> Tom Cloud
>
The following is a real note sent from a census taker in the
1800s to the government. This may explain why a lot of us have
variations in the spellings of our names. LOL
centsus rekurds "I am a cencus taker for the city of Bufflow. Our
city has groan very fast in resent years and now, in 1865, it has
becum a hard and time consooming job to count all the peephill.
Thare is not meny that can do this werk, as it is necesarie to
have a ejucashun, which a lot of pursons still do not have. Another
atribeart needed for this job is good speling, for meny of the
peephill to be caounted can hardle speek inglish, let alone spel
there name."
Tom Cloud
>
>I don't know what good this is, but according to Jeremiah Cloud's
>probate papers in Austin Co TX @ 1863 he had a grandson. Franklin Cobb
>living in Barbour Co AL. The next time I get a chance I am going to
>look at the 1870 Barbour Co census. Perhaps there are some Cobb
>descendants who might have some kind of info, also the descendants of
>the grand daughter who married a Manning in TX. Ellen
Interesting lead ...
Jeremiah & Elizabeth
dau. Mary Cloud
married Joseph COBB (b. 1799 Washington Cty, GA
d. 1876 in GA)
children:
Jacob COBB
Jeremiah (Jerry) COBB
Franklin COBB
Elizabeth COBB
Elizabeth Cobb married John WHITTINGTON 10-22-1842 in Alabama
Tom Cloud
Cecil Stokes wrote:
>
> Tom and Diana,
>
> I have found a Barbour County reference (p47 of "Barbour County,
> Alabama, Land Grants" by Elizabeth Thomas #976.132THO) to land
> registered by Jeremiah CLOUD in Township 13 Range 27 to complement what
> you, Tom, found on CD-ROM 225; but, this is in Section 2 and was issued
> in 1835 whereas the CD reference was section 20 on 11/14/1833. These
> would be about 3 or 4 miles apart.
>
> There is a William with a 1835 land grant in section 14 of T13R26, as I
> found in the book on the Mongomery Land Office yesterday; but, it is
> William Clark -- not William CLOUD. I do not know as yet which to
> believe.
>
> I also found a marriage for J. T. CLOUD to Susan E. Gloun on 8/14/1845
> accross the line in Russell County. This was performed by B. F. CLOUD
> (no relationship or residence stated). J. T. CLOUD is listed as
> officiating at numerous marriages in Russell County during 1845. The
> record of one on 10/11/1845 spells out Jeremiah T. CLOUD. Sampson B.
> CLOUD married Amanda H. Swearington on 4/14/1846 and John J. CLOUD
> married Carrie H. Smith on 8/23/1864 in Russell County (all of these per
> "Marriage Records, 1833-1887, of Russell County, AL., by Eleanor Duncan
> Hobbs in 1964).
>
> The list of "Rural Land Owners of Barbour County, AL, in 1851" (by Marie
> H. Godfrey, p13) contains only one CLOUD reference. That is the
> ownership of land by J.C. Boylston (1801SC-1860), shown as the son of
> Alice Hardin Cloud Boylston and husband George. This land appears to be
> several miles south of Jeremiah's land.
>
> My tentative conclusion is that the Jeremiah T. Cloud with land near the
> Barbour County - Russell County line is not my gggGF Jeremiah CLOUD
> whereas the Jeremiah CLOUD who was granted the two parcels of land in
> Montgomery County in 1833 is my gggGF Jeremiah CLOUD, who was soon to
> move on to Texas.
>
> Diana, I think that leaves Jeremiah T. CLOUD of Barbour/Russell Counties
> obtaining land in 1835 and marrying in 1845 as a good candidate for your
> tree. More later . . .
>
> Regards,
>
> Cec
I don't know what good this is, but according to Jeremiah Cloud's
probate papers in Austin Co TX @ 1863 he had a grandson. Franklin Cobb
living in Barbour Co AL. The next time I get a chance I am going to
look at the 1870 Barbour Co census. Perhaps there are some Cobb
descendants who might have some kind of info, also the descendants of
the grand daughter who married a Manning in TX. Ellen
Tom and Diana,
I have found a Barbour County reference (p47 of "Barbour County,
Alabama, Land Grants" by Elizabeth Thomas #976.132THO) to land
registered by Jeremiah CLOUD in Township 13 Range 27 to complement what
you, Tom, found on CD-ROM 225; but, this is in Section 2 and was issued
in 1835 whereas the CD reference was section 20 on 11/14/1833. These
would be about 3 or 4 miles apart.
There is a William with a 1835 land grant in section 14 of T13R26, as I
found in the book on the Mongomery Land Office yesterday; but, it is
William Clark -- not William CLOUD. I do not know as yet which to
believe.
I also found a marriage for J. T. CLOUD to Susan E. Gloun on 8/14/1845
accross the line in Russell County. This was performed by B. F. CLOUD
(no relationship or residence stated). J. T. CLOUD is listed as
officiating at numerous marriages in Russell County during 1845. The
record of one on 10/11/1845 spells out Jeremiah T. CLOUD. Sampson B.
CLOUD married Amanda H. Swearington on 4/14/1846 and John J. CLOUD
married Carrie H. Smith on 8/23/1864 in Russell County (all of these per
"Marriage Records, 1833-1887, of Russell County, AL., by Eleanor Duncan
Hobbs in 1964).
The list of "Rural Land Owners of Barbour County, AL, in 1851" (by Marie
H. Godfrey, p13) contains only one CLOUD reference. That is the
ownership of land by J.C. Boylston (1801SC-1860), shown as the son of
Alice Hardin Cloud Boylston and husband George. This land appears to be
several miles south of Jeremiah's land.
My tentative conclusion is that the Jeremiah T. Cloud with land near the
Barbour County - Russell County line is not my gggGF Jeremiah CLOUD
whereas the Jeremiah CLOUD who was granted the two parcels of land in
Montgomery County in 1833 is my gggGF Jeremiah CLOUD, who was soon to
move on to Texas.
Diana, I think that leaves Jeremiah T. CLOUD of Barbour/Russell Counties
obtaining land in 1835 and marrying in 1845 as a good candidate for your
tree. More later . . .
Regards,
Cec
Tom,
Thanks for the info! It looks like you put in a good days work!
I think the only practical way for us to progress is to follow the
approach you have taken: dig out the Cloud data that is within your
grasp and trust that others doing the same thing have a chance of
uncovering what you are looking for. I spent several hours today and in
a couple of other sessions during the past week looking at convenient
historica/genealogical literature in hopes that I catalog something of
value to someone, although thusfar I am probably repeating what others
have done as I get my feet wet and try to get a feel for the terrain
(and maybe get my baptism of fire).
You make a good point regarding the possiblitiy of CLOUD being an
assumed name for our untraced ancestors. In looking at the various
possibilities for the origin of gggGF Jeremiah CLOUD in a somewhat
scientific manner, that possibility had also occured to me. My
hypotheses include: 1) direct migration from DE/PA families (eg., Joel
CLOUD in 1780 Columbia/Warren C. GA); 2) indirect migration via NC (like
Quaker associates of Joel CLOUD at Wrightsville, GA); 3) other indirect
migration (VA, SC, etc.); 4) alternate port of entry (Savannah,
Charleston, etc.; 5) assumed name ("gone to Texas" as you suggest); 6)
conveniently forgotten birth to unmarried CLOUD female (Joel CLOUD and
Anthony STOKES report on the horrors of this war zone in the 1776-1786
decade); 7) adoption of war orphan by CLOUD family (such as Joel in GA)
with known list of offspring; and, hold your breath, 8) that Jeremiah
was one of a thousand "untraceable ancestors" dropped from a spaceship
(like Third Rock from the Sun) in 1782. None of these possibilities
makes tracing patently impossible; some are just more challenging than
others.
I'll get my earth-based notes in order to pass along ASAP.
Cec
____________________________________
in response to what Tom Cloud wrote:
>
> August 8, 1997 trip to Cameron, TX to the Milam Cty courthouse
> searching for CLOUDs
>
> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
> To get copies of records from the Milam Cty courthouse,
> write:
> LaVerne Soefje, Milam Cty Clerk
> 100 S. Fannin
> P.O. Box 191
> Cameron, TX 76520
>
> ph: 817-697-6596
>
> costs for documents -- including mailing:
> marriage licenses $ 1.00
> birth records $ 1.00
> death certs $ 9.00
> deeds $ 1.00 / pg
> (the lady that helped me might have also told me that probate
> records were $1.00 per page, but I didn't write it down and
> don't remember)
>
> $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
>
> ** I searched from the earliest records until the early
> 1900's for school census and probate. Didn't look at any
> deed records. Searched marriage, birth and death records
> through the sixties.
>
> SCHOOL CENSUS records -- found no Cloud children in the
> earliest records (up through early 1900's)
>
> *** MARRIAGES (note that there are two listings -- female and male)
>
> Milam Cty. CLOUD female marriages:
> first name m. husband m. date book page
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> M.L. G.W. Pratt 9-26-1879 2 264
> M.J. J.W. Rowe 2-27-1879 2 208
> M.C. G.W. McGann 2- 1-1882 2 542
> Elizabeth John Wilson 10-23-1882 3 374
> Willie James Wise 10-17-1887 5 72
> **(note: Willie listed both as "CLOUT" and "CLOUD")
> **(note: could this be our "Wilhemina" ??? the dates work) ???
>
> Ettie J.F. Wofford 9- 5-1907 11 48
> Pearl Robert Diver 7-26-1908 11 223
> Maggie W.G. Martin 7-31-1910 12 111
> **(note: "W.G." listed as "Wm. Earnest" by Byron's data)
>
> Ida George Hairston 9-20-1912 13 122
> Willie Arthur P. Brannon 12-25-1912 13 203
> **(note: could this be our "Wilhemina" ??? the dates work) ???
>
> Annie J.R. Mullins 7-25-1915 14 205
> Laverta Early Cryer 1- 5-1919 15 400
> Alma J.L. Luper 4- 6-1919 15 447
> Clara J.T. Butler 8-27-1939 22 263
> Mary Elizabeth Charles Thomas Stubbs 4-18-1947 24 47
>
> Milam Cty. CLOUD male marriages:
> first name m. wife date book page
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> Thomas H. (or G.) M.J. Pratt 11-27-1879 2 290
> **(note: is this Thos. N. and Martha Jane .... if so, their
> marriage is listed in 1881 ????)
>
> D.A. Jane Webb 1-13-1883 3 52
> **(note: listed as Mary Jane by Bryon's database)
>
> Robert Ada Talbott 11- 8-1885 5 85
> **(note: I originally had 1889 written -- as in Byron's
> database, but marked through with 1885 ... now wonder
> which is correct ?? did I make a transcription error ??)
>
> Thomas N. Laura Merchant 9-13-1896 7 10
> James Mattie Bell 12-12-1899 6 499
> **(note: Byron's data shows 1896 ???)
>
> R.S. Bessie Stevens 5-15-1904 9 611
> **(note: Byron's data has her as "Bette" ???)
>
> Albert Bernice E. Frazier 6- 3-1923 17 295
> Albert Robert Mrs. Martina Kelly 8-16-1951 24 411
> **(note: apparently the same Albert)
>
> James Douglas Sharon Caraway 12-24-1959 25 409
> T.F., Sr. Mrs. Jane Bell 6-15-1960 25 458
> **(note: is this "our" Thomas Frank, Sr., because this would
> be a third wife for him, eight years before his death) ???
>
> Milam Cty. CLOUD births:
> first name dob father mother cert # vol pg
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> ------ 11-17-1904 J.E. Mrs. J.E. E.1139 1 38
> ------ 12-21-1905 T.J. Mrs. T.J. 1710 1 17
> " " " " 1 40
> Judge John Watson 7-16-1907 J.P. Mrs. J.P. 2766 1 43
> Jesse Thomas 1-13-1931 C.B. Lora Grigory 3 616
> -- (no typo on "Grigory")
> **(note: if this is our "Claude B. Cloud", then we now
> have the name of his wife .... problem is I see no child
> for him with this name)
>
> James Douglas 5- 3-1940 Albert Robert Bernice Frazier 10 350
>
> Milam Cty. CLOUD deaths:
> first name dod cert # vol pg
> -------------------------------------------------------
> Dower Alexander 12- 5-1914 1793 1 41
> (note that he is listed as "Dowing" in the data I got
> from Byron ... does this need to be corrected ???)
>
> Robert Charles 1938 5 651
> (died in Rockdale; this is R.C. CLOUD b. 1-8-1935
> of Albert CLOUD and Bernice Frazier)
>
> Robert Samuel 12- 5-1946 7 704
> (buried in Sandy Creek Cemetary; b. 9-30-1868 in Rockdale
> of William CLOUD and Jane Boyd)
> **(note: the death certificate says b. in Rockdale, but
> Byron's records say he was born in Buckhorn)
>
> Milam Cty. CLOUD probate records:
> # estate of admin. nature of proceeding book
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> 835 Pearl CLOUD R.S. CLOUD application 10 p.311-315
> 10 p.380, 384
>
> 1467 Thomas M. CLOUD Laura E. CLOUD application 15 p.366-367
> 15 p.388
> **(no typo on Thos. "M")
>
> 1471 Thomas N. CLOUD Laura E. CLOUD application 15 p.388-392
> 16 p.283-285
>
> 1593 Thomas N. " application 16 p.286-288
> 16 p.301
> 16 p.321-322
> 486-491
> 537-540
>
> 1649 Thomas N. T.F. CLOUD application 16 p.542-544
> 16 p.568-570
> 570
> 599-600
> 14 p.414-420
>
> 1686 E.J. CLOUD R.S. CLOUD application 17 p.56-58
>
> *****************************************************************
> I briefly scanned some of the above probate records, the earliest
> of which are handwritten and very difficult (for me) to read. Below
> is some notes on what I found before I gave up 8^)
>
> ========================================================
> # 835 3-24-1903 R.S. Cloud for the estate of his wife, Pearl Cloud.
>
> children of Pearl and R.S.:
> Pearl 12 years old
> Maggie 10
> Ida 8
> Willie (fem) 5
> Alma (fem) 2
> Albert (male) 2
>
> children also residing with R.S. Cloud:
> Maud Hart 13
> John Hart 10
> (these the children of Andrew Hart and his deceased
> wife .... apparently Mr. Hart was unable to care for
> his children)
>
> claimed 91-1/3 acres in Milam Cty.
> ... next document stated 54-1/3 acres in the D.A. Thompson
> Survey of Milam Cty
>
> ========================================================
> #1467 Thomas N. Cloud died 11-27-1914 in Milam Cty; filed by
> Laura Cloud, his wife. filed 12-21-1914.
>
> children by his first wife, Martha Cloud:
> T.F 32 years old
> Ettie G. Wofford (m. J.F. Wofford) 25
> **(says these children live near Rogers, TX)
>
> children by Laura Cloud:
> Claud B. 17 years old (no typo on Claud)
> Newton 15
> Tiede (male) 13
> Lavista (f) 12
> Mattie 11
> Thomas 9
> Floyd 8
> William 7
> Ray (f) 5
> Ruby 8 months
> and Eula died at age 4 years ....
> Laura and these children residing at Cameron, TX
>
> ** note that data from Byron shows "Claud" spelled
> "Claude" -- I'm supposing that there's a typo on
> the probate records
>
> ** note that data from Byron shows "Eula" spelled
> "Ula"; "Tiede" spelled "Tead"; "Lavista" spelled
> "Mary Laverta"; "Ray" spelled "Raye" ????
>
> ========================================================
> # 1649 T.F. Cloud is now administering T.N. Cloud's estate
> ~ 1918
>
> ========================================================
> # 1686 E.J. Cloud (a female) died 5-15-1918 in Milam Cty.
> R.S. Cloud administering
> **(note: this must be Robt Samuel administering
> his mother's estate -- Elizabeth Jane Boyd Cloud
> as the date of death matches)
>
> ========================================================
> ========================================================
> ========================================================
> I'd like to say I'm sorry I didn't get more, but I got
> tired and bored reading all the probate stuff (esp. since
> it had nothing to do with any of my direct ancestors). I
> hope this is of some use to someone.
>
> Tom Cloud
August 8, 1997 trip to Cameron, TX to the Milam Cty courthouse
searching for CLOUDs
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
To get copies of records from the Milam Cty courthouse,
write:
LaVerne Soefje, Milam Cty Clerk
100 S. Fannin
P.O. Box 191
Cameron, TX 76520
ph: 817-697-6596
costs for documents -- including mailing:
marriage licenses $ 1.00
birth records $ 1.00
death certs $ 9.00
deeds $ 1.00 / pg
(the lady that helped me might have also told me that probate
records were $1.00 per page, but I didn't write it down and
don't remember)
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
** I searched from the earliest records until the early
1900's for school census and probate. Didn't look at any
deed records. Searched marriage, birth and death records
through the sixties.
SCHOOL CENSUS records -- found no Cloud children in the
earliest records (up through early 1900's)
*** MARRIAGES (note that there are two listings -- female and male)
Milam Cty. CLOUD female marriages:
first name m. husband m. date book page
--------------------------------------------------------------------
M.L. G.W. Pratt 9-26-1879 2 264
M.J. J.W. Rowe 2-27-1879 2 208
M.C. G.W. McGann 2- 1-1882 2 542
Elizabeth John Wilson 10-23-1882 3 374
Willie James Wise 10-17-1887 5 72
**(note: Willie listed both as "CLOUT" and "CLOUD")
**(note: could this be our "Wilhemina" ??? the dates work) ???
Ettie J.F. Wofford 9- 5-1907 11 48
Pearl Robert Diver 7-26-1908 11 223
Maggie W.G. Martin 7-31-1910 12 111
**(note: "W.G." listed as "Wm. Earnest" by Byron's data)
Ida George Hairston 9-20-1912 13 122
Willie Arthur P. Brannon 12-25-1912 13 203
**(note: could this be our "Wilhemina" ??? the dates work) ???
Annie J.R. Mullins 7-25-1915 14 205
Laverta Early Cryer 1- 5-1919 15 400
Alma J.L. Luper 4- 6-1919 15 447
Clara J.T. Butler 8-27-1939 22 263
Mary Elizabeth Charles Thomas Stubbs 4-18-1947 24 47
Milam Cty. CLOUD male marriages:
first name m. wife date book page
--------------------------------------------------------------------
Thomas H. (or G.) M.J. Pratt 11-27-1879 2 290
**(note: is this Thos. N. and Martha Jane .... if so, their
marriage is listed in 1881 ????)
D.A. Jane Webb 1-13-1883 3 52
**(note: listed as Mary Jane by Bryon's database)
Robert Ada Talbott 11- 8-1885 5 85
**(note: I originally had 1889 written -- as in Byron's
database, but marked through with 1885 ... now wonder
which is correct ?? did I make a transcription error ??)
Thomas N. Laura Merchant 9-13-1896 7 10
James Mattie Bell 12-12-1899 6 499
**(note: Byron's data shows 1896 ???)
R.S. Bessie Stevens 5-15-1904 9 611
**(note: Byron's data has her as "Bette" ???)
Albert Bernice E. Frazier 6- 3-1923 17 295
Albert Robert Mrs. Martina Kelly 8-16-1951 24 411
**(note: apparently the same Albert)
James Douglas Sharon Caraway 12-24-1959 25 409
T.F., Sr. Mrs. Jane Bell 6-15-1960 25 458
**(note: is this "our" Thomas Frank, Sr., because this would
be a third wife for him, eight years before his death) ???
Milam Cty. CLOUD births:
first name dob father mother cert # vol pg
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
------ 11-17-1904 J.E. Mrs. J.E. E.1139 1 38
------ 12-21-1905 T.J. Mrs. T.J. 1710 1 17
" " " " 1 40
Judge John Watson 7-16-1907 J.P. Mrs. J.P. 2766 1 43
Jesse Thomas 1-13-1931 C.B. Lora Grigory 3 616
-- (no typo on "Grigory")
**(note: if this is our "Claude B. Cloud", then we now
have the name of his wife .... problem is I see no child
for him with this name)
James Douglas 5- 3-1940 Albert Robert Bernice Frazier 10 350
Milam Cty. CLOUD deaths:
first name dod cert # vol pg
-------------------------------------------------------
Dower Alexander 12- 5-1914 1793 1 41
(note that he is listed as "Dowing" in the data I got
from Byron ... does this need to be corrected ???)
Robert Charles 1938 5 651
(died in Rockdale; this is R.C. CLOUD b. 1-8-1935
of Albert CLOUD and Bernice Frazier)
Robert Samuel 12- 5-1946 7 704
(buried in Sandy Creek Cemetary; b. 9-30-1868 in Rockdale
of William CLOUD and Jane Boyd)
**(note: the death certificate says b. in Rockdale, but
Byron's records say he was born in Buckhorn)
Milam Cty. CLOUD probate records:
# estate of admin. nature of proceeding book
-------------------------------------------------------------------
835 Pearl CLOUD R.S. CLOUD application 10 p.311-315
10 p.380, 384
1467 Thomas M. CLOUD Laura E. CLOUD application 15 p.366-367
15 p.388
**(no typo on Thos. "M")
1471 Thomas N. CLOUD Laura E. CLOUD application 15 p.388-392
16 p.283-285
1593 Thomas N. " application 16 p.286-288
16 p.301
16 p.321-322
486-491
537-540
1649 Thomas N. T.F. CLOUD application 16 p.542-544
16 p.568-570
570
599-600
14 p.414-420
1686 E.J. CLOUD R.S. CLOUD application 17 p.56-58
*****************************************************************
I briefly scanned some of the above probate records, the earliest
of which are handwritten and very difficult (for me) to read. Below
is some notes on what I found before I gave up 8^)
========================================================
# 835 3-24-1903 R.S. Cloud for the estate of his wife, Pearl Cloud.
children of Pearl and R.S.:
Pearl 12 years old
Maggie 10
Ida 8
Willie (fem) 5
Alma (fem) 2
Albert (male) 2
children also residing with R.S. Cloud:
Maud Hart 13
John Hart 10
(these the children of Andrew Hart and his deceased
wife .... apparently Mr. Hart was unable to care for
his children)
claimed 91-1/3 acres in Milam Cty.
... next document stated 54-1/3 acres in the D.A. Thompson
Survey of Milam Cty
========================================================
#1467 Thomas N. Cloud died 11-27-1914 in Milam Cty; filed by
Laura Cloud, his wife. filed 12-21-1914.
children by his first wife, Martha Cloud:
T.F 32 years old
Ettie G. Wofford (m. J.F. Wofford) 25
**(says these children live near Rogers, TX)
children by Laura Cloud:
Claud B. 17 years old (no typo on Claud)
Newton 15
Tiede (male) 13
Lavista (f) 12
Mattie 11
Thomas 9
Floyd 8
William 7
Ray (f) 5
Ruby 8 months
and Eula died at age 4 years ....
Laura and these children residing at Cameron, TX
** note that data from Byron shows "Claud" spelled
"Claude" -- I'm supposing that there's a typo on
the probate records
** note that data from Byron shows "Eula" spelled
"Ula"; "Tiede" spelled "Tead"; "Lavista" spelled
"Mary Laverta"; "Ray" spelled "Raye" ????
========================================================
# 1649 T.F. Cloud is now administering T.N. Cloud's estate
~ 1918
========================================================
# 1686 E.J. Cloud (a female) died 5-15-1918 in Milam Cty.
R.S. Cloud administering
**(note: this must be Robt Samuel administering
his mother's estate -- Elizabeth Jane Boyd Cloud
as the date of death matches)
========================================================
========================================================
========================================================
I'd like to say I'm sorry I didn't get more, but I got
tired and bored reading all the probate stuff (esp. since
it had nothing to do with any of my direct ancestors). I
hope this is of some use to someone.
Tom Cloud
>I have identified all five of the land sections on my 1:250,000 maps and
>am trying to find a decent way to transmit them or merely post them for
>all to see. The more easterly ones appear to be in what is now Barbour
>County (near the intersection of three counties) and the timing seems to
>be the opening up of what had previously been Creek Indian Lands. The
>others are in the Mt. Meigs area of Montgomery County, where tradition
>tells us Jeremiah's younger children were born.
>
>One of the land purchases/grants is interesting in that it was issued to
>William Cloud, who I first assumed was Jeremiah's son William; but,
>William would have been no more than 10 or 12 years old according to the
>d.o.b. we have for him. Could it be that: 1) he was born earlier, 2) he
>was confused with an older brother - by accident or by intent, 3) he was
>a brother of Jerimiah (surely he was not an only son in that era of
>large families), 4) he was Jerimiah's father (whose name I have never
>heard even in speculation), 5) he was somebody else named William Cloud
>who just happened to claim land close to our Jeremiah's, or 6) he was
>another William Cloud claiming land adjacent to that of another Jeremiah
>Cloud.
>
>Any ideas?
Cecil, you bring to the fore a troubling thought I've put
aside for awhile .... haven't shared it with Byron or anyone
else -- 'till now.
Have you heard the expression "gone to Texas" ?? Apparently
a common way to escape whatever demons that troubled one in that
era was to disappear to Texas -- complete with a change of name ...
What if Jeremiah wasn't a Cloud? hmmmmm ? What if he changed
his last name as many others did?
Tom Cloud
Diana,
You should have received the attached message on "the Cloud list" (I am
assuming you are on that list), but you may not have recognized it as
something interesting. The 1830 Montgomery County, Alabama, 1830 Census
Index (book, 976.147THO) lists H.G.W. CLOUD (my ggGF), Jeremiah CLOWD
(presumably my gggGF with a little spelling variation), and no other
CLOUDs. H.G.W. had a son William, born in 1825 per available data (see
link in attached file for related tree), who I initially assumed was the
purchaser of the land in Barbour County some miles east of Montgomery
County.
When I went to download census indices from CDs I found the library
computer that has this software to be down, and I am now trying to help
them get it running again (waiting for a disk with a software patch). I
have not yet attacked the census tapes or the Barbour County records
(where I believe the William CLOUD land was located although recorded by
the Montgomery Land Office), but plan to do so. The land is also close
to the lines of Russell County and Macon County, so a little error in
their surveying or my mapreading could put it over one line or the
other. It is also only a few miles from Lee County, where Auburn
University is located, and we have a number of football-game trips
planned for Sep/Oct/Nov and can do Friday afternoon courthouse tours if
necessary.
I'll let you know what I find, hopefully before football season.
Cec
Tom,
Then, thanks to you and Byron both! I find it to be a handy reference,
the best I have.
I have identified all five of the land sections on my 1:250,000 maps and
am trying to find a decent way to transmit them or merely post them for
all to see. The more easterly ones appear to be in what is now Barbour
County (near the intersection of three counties) and the timing seems to
be the opening up of what had previously been Creek Indian Lands. The
others are in the Mt. Meigs area of Montgomery County, where tradition
tells us Jeremiah's younger children were born.
One of the land purchases/grants is interesting in that it was issued to
William Cloud, who I first assumed was Jeremiah's son William; but,
William would have been no more than 10 or 12 years old according to the
d.o.b. we have for him. Could it be that: 1) he was born earlier, 2) he
was confused with an older brother - by accident or by intent, 3) he was
a brother of Jerimiah (surely he was not an only son in that era of
large families), 4) he was Jerimiah's father (whose name I have never
heard even in speculation), 5) he was somebody else named William Cloud
who just happened to claim land close to our Jeremiah's, or 6) he was
another William Cloud claiming land adjacent to that of another Jeremiah
Cloud.
Any ideas?
Cec
_____________________________________
in response to what Tom Cloud wrote:
>
> At 01:42 PM 8/11/97 -0500, Cecil Stokes wrote:
>
> >
> >Tom,
> >
>
> Cecil, let me interject that, regarding the info I put on the
> Parsons Tech web page re: Jeremiah CLOUD, almost all of it,
> not directly related to my branch, came from Byron Cloud.
>
> [ http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/tcloud/Cloud.htm ]
>
> >Thanks for sharing the info! It appears that the land registered in 1833
> >(160 acres in two parcels that appear to be adjoining, recorded by the
snip
At 01:42 PM 8/11/97 -0500, Cecil Stokes wrote:
>
>Tom,
>
Cecil, let me interject that, regarding the info I put on the
Parsons Tech web page re: Jeremiah CLOUD, almost all of it,
not directly related to my branch, came from Byron Cloud.
[ http://www.parsonstech.com/genealogy/trees/tcloud/Cloud.htm ]
>Thanks for sharing the info! It appears that the land registered in 1833
>(160 acres in two parcels that appear to be adjoining, recorded by the
>Cahaba land office) and 1837 (40 acres recorded by the Montgomery land
>office) may well have been "Our Jerimiah" (1782GA-1861TX). Your tree
>shows him leaving AL in 1837, but some of his sons not moving until
>1851. If you are familiar with Alabama land surveys, you know that the
>reference to St. Stephens Meridian merely means that it is in the
>southern 60% of the state (vs. Huntsville Meridian, which is the major
>reference for land in the northern 40% of the state, just two different
I did not know that .... thank you
>starting points). Cahaba was the capitol of the state between the time
>it was in Huntsville and the time it was moved to Montgomery. Cahaba was
>then abandoned, so this is probably the same land office before and
>after relocation. I am looking at 1:250,000 maps of the several parts of
>the state (Montgomery is one of 15 total at this scale), but haven't
>located the section/township yet (may need a larger scale map).
>
>Cec
>(Cecil Stokes)
>Huntsville, AL
>
>______________________________________
>in response to what Tom Cloud wrote:
>>
>> received this reply to my query (at bottom) re: Jeremiah
>> Cloud
>>
>> >From: "Will Moneymaker" <moneymaker(a)bigfoot.com>
>> >To: "Tom Cloud" <cloud(a)peaches.ph.utexas.edu>
>> >Subject: Re: CD-225
>> >Date: Fri, 8 Aug 1997 10:35:59 -0400
>> >
>> >Hello-
>> >
>> >Here is the information that I have for:
>> >
>> >Jeremiah CLOUD
>> >
>> >that is contained on CD-ROM (CD-255).
>> >Land Records: AL, AR, FL, LA, MI, MN, OH, WI
[ snip ]
Tom Cloud
On Mon, 11 Aug 1997, Joe Farrell wrote:
> To all:
>
> While working at the library this morning I ran across the film # 227282
> from the SLC Library entitled:
> 1st. OK Territory Census 1890. I have not finished it completely but I
> found a CLOUD that I am sure belongs to someone.
>
> Page 760, Dist. 22, N4
>
> CLOUD Age POB
> Harmon B. 45 DE
>
> Elizabeth 42 NJ
>
> Andrew (S) 20 NJ
>
> Sarah E. (D) 14 NJ
>
> Luella (D) 8 (?) Could not make out birth loc but not NJ
>
> Leonida (D)? 4 "
>
> This may have been Canadian Co. but I am not sure. Hope this family fits
> one of you. Census for 1890 is hard to find.
>
> Joe Farrell
>
>
Hi Joe,
I think your Harmon B. Cloud is Harmon Bartley Cloud b.10/3/1846 DE.
He comes by way of Wm.> Robert >Joseph > Nathaniel > Joseph > Nathaniel >
Stephen > Harmon Bartley Cloud who married Elizabeth D. Westcott
(8/16/1868 in Atlantic City, NJ) b.7/14/1849 NJ d.1935 OK.
I have their children as:
Andrew Hewett Cloud b.8/18/1870 NJ m) May Pearl Beck
Sarah Elwell Cloud b.10/15/1877 NJ m) Henry Brunkhurst
Lucious S. Cloud b.ca1879 IA
Lowella Cloud b.11/1881 IA
Leonides Cloud b.12/15/1885 IA
Elizabetb D. Cloud b.8/22/1893 OK
Hope you got the snail mail I sent you last week.
Regards
--- Harley A. Cloud __________________ University of Maryland at Shady
Grove cloud(a)nova.umd.edu _________________________________ +1 301 738 6060
(V) ____________________________________________________ +1 301 738 6050
(F) Director of Programs ___________________________ Rockville, MD 20850
USA
Tom,
I find listings of land purchased by Jerimiah Cloud (Sec 2, Tshp 13,
Range 27; receipt #1665) and William Cloud (Sec 14 ,Tshp 13, Range 26;
receipt #2107) recorded by the Montgomery (AL) Land Office in 1835
(exact dates did not copy, will get them later). Both are listed as
residents of Montgomery County. The reference is "Old Montgomery Land
Office Records and Military Warrants 1834 - 1869" by Marilyn Davis
Barefield, 1991.
In my previous message I said that the Catawba Land Office was probably
moved to Montgomery when the capitol was moved; but, review of history
reveals that the capitol was moved to Tuscaloosa for a while between the
time Catawba flooded and the time when the politicians finally agreed on
Montgomery. Sorry if I misled anyone.
Cec
Hi. I am desperately trying to connect what I know into a "Cloud line".
Please if any of you can help me please email.
Here is what I have:
Thomas W. Cloud b. abt 1843 married Martha (?) b. abt 1843. They were
living in Montgomery Al in 1880, 1900, 1910. They had the following
children: Laura 1870, Mary 1873, William 1874/75, Margaret 1876, Lydia 1879
and James Wesley 1882 who was born in Montgomery. My ggrandfather was James
Wesley. In the 1910 census they had a granddaughter living with them, Laura
Cochran age 13. I think the Mary that is listed in the census is a "Aunt
Mary Pugh" that my grandmother used to mention.
My grandmother was James Wesley daughter. She was Elizabeth Lela Cloud
Schneider. She used to talk about "people" in Alabama. Not sure if she was
talking about Montgomery or Huntsville areas.
All the relative that I know of are dead now. I have no one who can answer
questions. Can some one out there please help me?
More clues: in the 1920 census there is also a William age 47 wife Gussie
30 and three children: Athias age 6, Albert age 3 yrs 8mos, and Martha age
1 year 3 mos. Mu grandmother used to talk about a Aunt Gussie. If I could
find this Albert Cloud or his relations then I might have some answers.
Thanks for any help you can give.
Diana Davis
To all:
While working at the library this morning I ran across the film # 227282
from the SLC Library entitled:
1st. OK Territory Census 1890. I have not finished it completely but I
found a CLOUD that I am sure belongs to someone.
Page 760, Dist. 22, N4
CLOUD Age POB
Harmon B. 45 DE
Elizabeth 42 NJ
Andrew (S) 20 NJ
Sarah E. (D) 14 NJ
Luella (D) 8 (?) Could not make out birth loc but not NJ
Leonida (D)? 4 "
This may have been Canadian Co. but I am not sure. Hope this family fits
one of you. Census for 1890 is hard to find.
Joe Farrell