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well, the road to ___ is paved with good intentions.... i don't
mean to be inundating the list with my rainforest/hungersite post. i
just was trying to correct the addresses so you could keep them on
your new mail page and simply click on them each day. you'll see the
second capped post where i achieve the proper addresses that you can
just click and go to. this is how i keep them in my mail program so
i see them each day.
my apologies :-)
Pamela :-)
http://rainforest.care2.com/welcome?w=727865554www.hungersite.com/
The above addresses are a couple of wonderful websites for helping
the world in a tangible way by visiting the sites once a day and
simply clicking on an icon. One site is buying up land in the
rainforests to preserve forever for future generations (this is a
Nature Conservancy project) and the other site is feeding the hungry
through a United Nations project.
Your only part is to visit the sites briefly each day and click. It
costs you nothing - the rainforest land and the food is paid for by
corporate sponsors of the site (which is a tax deduction to them).
Your e-address is not used or sold.
By visiting these two sites we are building a better world for the
seven generations that come after us - the "forward ancestors" of
ours that will one day be looking us up on genealogy sites in the
technology of their time. They will be breathing air from
rainforests we saved for them. There will be more world peace and
good will because of projects like feeding the hungry. gosh, think
where the world and our ancestors will - can - be seven generations
from now!
We're doing great saving rainforest by clicking on the care2 website!
This is their second "Race to Save the Rainforest". We have saved
686.3 acres so far! this is far more acreage than we saved in the
first race and this second race is not over until august 1! we have
65 more days (65 more clicks per person) to save the rainforest.
Each day you click on the rainforest site (you may only click once
a day) it saves 25 square feet of rainforest forever for your forward
ancestors! (i'm coining this phrase "forward ancestors") this is
so great! The site is also playfully and informationally set up so
you can track the amount of land you personally are saving. Your
children will love this - well, heck, the kid in you will love it!
Each day you click on the hungersite you feed 1 1/2 - 2 1/2 cups of
staple food to a hungry person (paid for, like the rainforest site,
by corporate sponsors. a win-win for all of us) Around 400 tons of
food EACH DAY are being donated through the work of this site!
THIS IS ABSOLUTELY FREE TO YOU! your name is not sold or used for
any other purposes.
use the above addresses to join this wonderful project if you are not
already signed up :-) i just keep the sites in my new mail box so
each day i check my mail i can click. The hungersite can also be set
up as your homepage if you want.
thank you thank you thank you! it feels so wonderful to do this for
the planet today and especially for our forward ancestors! i greatly
appreciate this positive and effective use of the internet :-)
blessings to each of you,
Pamela :-)
Regarding the spelling question. Also keep in mind that much of what we
research was written by clerks in public records. I believe that many times,
they tended to copy what they heard and spell it that way.
Regards to all
Mary Winn
The persons recording the names may have spelled them the way they sounded
to them also.
----- Original Message -----
From: Marsha G. Brown <MBROW28(a)SPH.Emory.Edu>
To: <CLINGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 2:45 PM
Subject: Re: Okarche Oklahoma remind anyone of anything
>
>
> Sue Maxwell wrote:
> >
> > I guess I should have worded the message about the spelling a little
> > different than I did. From what we have found we believe the spelling
at
> > least from the early to middle 1700's in Pennsylvania started as
Clingan.
> > However in searching my own grandmother's Clingan name I found it
spelled
> > many different ways. Clingan, Clingen, Clingin & Clinging. I believe
it
> > might have been from lack of schooling and being able to read and write.
>
> Actually this casualness about spelling does not reflect a lack of
> schooling or literacy. To go back to my example of Meriwether Lewis,
> just because those details are fresh in my mind, he was a very educated
> person, and is now considered to have made a great contribution to
> American science and literature, with his journals. Precise spelling
> was apparently just not important in his era, and why this is so, is an
> interesting topic. Though I don't know for sure, I could guess that the
> talents necessary to succeed in early 19th C America were different than
> they are today, but all this is getting off-topic.
>
> > Re: the web site "The Clingan Connection"
> > who is Steve?
>
> Scott, I meant Scott...Forgive me Scott.
>
> More soon, Marsha Brown
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Sue Maxwell wrote:
>
> I guess I should have worded the message about the spelling a little
> different than I did. From what we have found we believe the spelling at
> least from the early to middle 1700's in Pennsylvania started as Clingan.
> However in searching my own grandmother's Clingan name I found it spelled
> many different ways. Clingan, Clingen, Clingin & Clinging. I believe it
> might have been from lack of schooling and being able to read and write.
Actually this casualness about spelling does not reflect a lack of
schooling or literacy. To go back to my example of Meriwether Lewis,
just because those details are fresh in my mind, he was a very educated
person, and is now considered to have made a great contribution to
American science and literature, with his journals. Precise spelling
was apparently just not important in his era, and why this is so, is an
interesting topic. Though I don't know for sure, I could guess that the
talents necessary to succeed in early 19th C America were different than
they are today, but all this is getting off-topic.
> Re: the web site "The Clingan Connection"
> who is Steve?
Scott, I meant Scott...Forgive me Scott.
More soon, Marsha Brown
I guess I should have worded the message about the spelling a little
different than I did. From what we have found we believe the spelling at
least from the early to middle 1700's in Pennsylvania started as Clingan.
However in searching my own grandmother's Clingan name I found it spelled
many different ways. Clingan, Clingen, Clingin & Clinging. I believe it
might have been from lack of schooling and being able to read and write. It
possible when we finally find our connections to Scotland/Ireland we are
going to find it different again.
Re: the web site "The Clingan Connection"
who is Steve?
The site is maintained by Scott Barnes, files are submitted thru Robert
Clingan's gedcom and approved thru the Clingan research group. Believe me
they can be quite critical before we approve a change, I think that is one
reason we have been so successful.
Sue Maxwell
Glendale, Arizona
-----Original Message-----
From: Marsha G. Brown [mailto:MBROW28@SPH.Emory.Edu]
Sent: Tuesday, May 16, 2000 11:13 AM
To: CLINGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Okarche Oklahoma remind anyone of anything
Sue Maxwell wrote:
>
> another interesting point is Alexander Adams Clingan (and it is
> Clingan not Clingen)
It is still hard for me to grasp how casual our forefathers were
about spelling. I am reading Undaunted Courage about Meriwether Lewis
(of Lewis and Clark) and he spelled his mother's name different ways in
different letters. His mother's name! But it is sinking in that Clingan
and Clingen are probably the same last name.
was sheriff of Bradley County, TN.
> Also if you ever do connect to these Clingan's please contact us
I think of you as cousins, of course I will
> the web page
> "The Clingan Connection"
> http:/www.chesco.com/~sbarnes/clingan-family/
This site is wonderful, Steve has been very kind to us.
> this is the work of our group.
> Sue Maxwell
> Glendale, Arizona
>
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Sue Maxwell wrote:
>
> another interesting point is Alexander Adams Clingan (and it is
> Clingan not Clingen)
It is still hard for me to grasp how casual our forefathers were
about spelling. I am reading Undaunted Courage about Meriwether Lewis
(of Lewis and Clark) and he spelled his mother's name different ways in
different letters. His mother's name! But it is sinking in that Clingan
and Clingen are probably the same last name.
was sheriff of Bradley County, TN.
> Also if you ever do connect to these Clingan's please contact us
I think of you as cousins, of course I will
> the web page
> "The Clingan Connection"
> http:/www.chesco.com/~sbarnes/clingan-family/
This site is wonderful, Steve has been very kind to us.
> this is the work of our group.
> Sue Maxwell
> Glendale, Arizona
>
>
Thanks, Sue :-) We should have more information soon. I am Marsha's
sister and we have found a living family member in South Carolina
that we are going to visit this weekend. We're both taking
taperecorders and lots of questions. I'll print this post and take
with me so we can jog their memories and see if your info matches
their family. One of their daughters is into geneology and although
we won't meet her this weekend, she probably also has a great deal
more information to glean. We'll be glad to share whatever we learn
with both lists. :-)
Pamela :-)
>I cannot really help you on your request but might give you some
>leads.
> Alexander Adams Clingan who was b. Tn. d. in Bradley County, Tn. had among
> others two sons who went to the Indian Territory in Oklahoma. They being
> half Cherokee. One was
> Judge Keith Clingan b. 1837 d. 1909 and had: Mary married a Bishop, Fannie
> married Ott caulk (a cherokee) and David C. b. 1881 and d. before 1906. I
> do not know if he had any children.
> the other son was:
> William David Clingan b. 1833 d. 1912 Oklahoma married twice. First wife
> unknown second was Mary Jane bumgardner. they had at least one daughter,
> Martha b. Jan 6, 1845. She could have been of an age to have married and
> had either of the two mentioned in the 1904 marriage.
> Also another interesting point is Alexander Adams Clingan (and it is
> Clingan not Clingen) was sheriff of Bradley County, TN.
> Also if you ever do connect to these Clingan's please contact us at
> Clingan(a)egroups.com however I do believe there are some of us who subscribes
> to both sites
> There is a large group of us who have been working on the Clingan family for
> about three years and have made some very interesting finds. Also check out
> the web page
> "The Clingan Connection"
> http:/www.chesco.com/~sbarnes/clingan-family/
> this is the work of our group.
> Sue Maxwell
> Glendale, Arizona
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marsha G. Brown [mailto:MBROW28@SPH.Emory.Edu]
> Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 8:09 AM
> To: CLINGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Okarche Oklahoma remind anyone of anything
>
>
> Well hello Clingen list members. Here's a bit of info, and it sure is
> nice to be talking to you again.
> Okarche is where my paternal grandparents put they were "from" when they
> got married June 21, 1904 in Wichita. That would be William
> Harrison Brown and Mary Elizabeth Howard and they both put they were
> from Okarche OT, or Oklahoma Territory. This are the folks who named a
> son Marshall Clingen Brown. Okarche was apparently on the frontier of
> indian territory. There was a William Brown who took part in the
> Oklahoma landrush, and if (if!) they are the same, then the landrush
> would possibly explain why they were in Okarche, but not shed much light
> on where they were before Okarche. Still they put "from Okarche." It
> sounds like they identified themselves with the place, though I may be
> reading too much into that. The family story about the Howards is that
> they are kin to the John Howard who rode with Jesse James. There's a
> song about the "dirty little coward that killed John Howard and shot
> Jesse James in the back." Not sure if Mary Elizabeth sang it, though.
>
> Marsha Brown
> Researching Clingen, Brown, Young, Walker, to start with.
>
>
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I cannot really help you on your request but might give you some leads.
Alexander Adams Clingan who was b. Tn. d. in Bradley County, Tn. had among
others two sons who went to the Indian Territory in Oklahoma. They being
half Cherokee. One was
Judge Keith Clingan b. 1837 d. 1909 and had: Mary married a Bishop, Fannie
married Ott caulk (a cherokee) and David C. b. 1881 and d. before 1906. I
do not know if he had any children.
the other son was:
William David Clingan b. 1833 d. 1912 Oklahoma married twice. First wife
unknown second was Mary Jane bumgardner. they had at least one daughter,
Martha b. Jan 6, 1845. She could have been of an age to have married and
had either of the two mentioned in the 1904 marriage.
Also another interesting point is Alexander Adams Clingan (and it is
Clingan not Clingen) was sheriff of Bradley County, TN.
Also if you ever do connect to these Clingan's please contact us at
Clingan(a)egroups.com however I do believe there are some of us who subscribes
to both sites
There is a large group of us who have been working on the Clingan family for
about three years and have made some very interesting finds. Also check out
the web page
"The Clingan Connection"
http:/www.chesco.com/~sbarnes/clingan-family/
this is the work of our group.
Sue Maxwell
Glendale, Arizona
-----Original Message-----
From: Marsha G. Brown [mailto:MBROW28@SPH.Emory.Edu]
Sent: Monday, May 15, 2000 8:09 AM
To: CLINGEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Okarche Oklahoma remind anyone of anything
Well hello Clingen list members. Here's a bit of info, and it sure is
nice to be talking to you again.
Okarche is where my paternal grandparents put they were "from" when they
got married June 21, 1904 in Wichita. That would be William
Harrison Brown and Mary Elizabeth Howard and they both put they were
from Okarche OT, or Oklahoma Territory. This are the folks who named a
son Marshall Clingen Brown. Okarche was apparently on the frontier of
indian territory. There was a William Brown who took part in the
Oklahoma landrush, and if (if!) they are the same, then the landrush
would possibly explain why they were in Okarche, but not shed much light
on where they were before Okarche. Still they put "from Okarche." It
sounds like they identified themselves with the place, though I may be
reading too much into that. The family story about the Howards is that
they are kin to the John Howard who rode with Jesse James. There's a
song about the "dirty little coward that killed John Howard and shot
Jesse James in the back." Not sure if Mary Elizabeth sang it, though.
Marsha Brown
Researching Clingen, Brown, Young, Walker, to start with.
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Well hello Clingen list members. Here's a bit of info, and it sure is
nice to be talking to you again.
Okarche is where my paternal grandparents put they were "from" when they
got married June 21, 1904 in Wichita. That would be William
Harrison Brown and Mary Elizabeth Howard and they both put they were
from Okarche OT, or Oklahoma Territory. This are the folks who named a
son Marshall Clingen Brown. Okarche was apparently on the frontier of
indian territory. There was a William Brown who took part in the
Oklahoma landrush, and if (if!) they are the same, then the landrush
would possibly explain why they were in Okarche, but not shed much light
on where they were before Okarche. Still they put "from Okarche." It
sounds like they identified themselves with the place, though I may be
reading too much into that. The family story about the Howards is that
they are kin to the John Howard who rode with Jesse James. There's a
song about the "dirty little coward that killed John Howard and shot
Jesse James in the back." Not sure if Mary Elizabeth sang it, though.
Marsha Brown
Researching Clingen, Brown, Young, Walker, to start with.