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Greetings,
Does anyone have these particular CLIFFORDs in their lines? Would like to
learn more about them.
Ira CLIFFORD, farmer, b. 1802, NH
Alexander CLIFFORD, in 1840 OH census, Pike County, page 038
William CLIFFORD, in Rockingham County, VA in 1890; had son, Berry
CLIFFORD, b. 15 August 1890
Thank you.
Rose
rmcdaniel(a)erols.com
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In reply to Paul's message, the English origin of Clifford appears to be
place-name related. In the House of Clifford, Hugh Clifford (current
and 13th Lord Clifford of Chudleigh) indicates that the Marcher lord
Walter FitzRichard (1127 - 1187, great grandson of the Norman Baron
Pons) was the "first Clifford." He took the name deClifford (latter
shortened to Clifford) when he received in dowry the castle and barony
of Clifford on his marriage to Margaret de Toeni.
Castle Clifford was erected 1067 - 1070 on the River Wye by Earl William
FitzOsbern, where it left the Welsh mountains and entered the heart of
Herefordshire. As this was a prime invasion route for the Welsh, it and
its brother castles at Wigmore, Eywas Harold, Monmouth and Chepstow were
strong and important military fortresses. The castle was later
forfeited by William's son Earl Roger, for rebellion, in 1075. It was
given by the King (I think it would be William the Conquerer) to Ralf de
Toeni, whose grandaughter was Margaret.
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Hi to you all,
I am new at the geneaology game but am extremly interested in the meaning of
the name Clifford and its origins.
I am researching my Mothers family ,The Cliffords of kilkenny / Limerick
origin. Originally pronounced in a Gaelic Dialect Something like
NI_CLIUBLIN?? which is Gaelic for Clifford (or there abouts), so i am told,
any info appreciated,
regards.
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Hello Clifford list subscribers:
Dev Clifford, list keeper here. It's great to see the list activity -
don't be bashful if you haven't posted! The more we use the resources
we have assembled, the more powerful they become.
I have a housekeeping request. One of you subscribed as
scott(a)dsaco.com. This is not a good address, and has to be deleted
because the mail is undeliverable. If you are this subscriber, please
resubscribe and double check to make sure you submit your correct email
address.
Happy hunting to all.
I thought I'd mention that I have a copy of Hugh Clifford's "House of
Clifford" book wich contains lineage of the noble Clifford houses of
England, including the Cliffords of Ugbrooke (the current noble line
bearing tbe name.) If anyone is seeking reasonable lookups, let me
know.
Best regards,
Dev Clifford
I am looking for information on Anne Clifford & Colonel Joseph Beavers, b.
1728 -d. 1816, probably in Hunterdon County, NJ. She was the daughter of
George Clifford. Joseph was one of the witnesses to George Clifford's will
of 1757, Hunterdon County, NJ
Any help will be appreciated
Thank you,
Mary Lou Fournier
>From Gary CLIFFORD...on Turner's computer...
Hello, greetings to you from Indiana the Hoosierland. At present my
research is mostly
in Rush/Fayette Co.'s, Indiana and Caledonia Co., Vermont. We have found
family in IL
MI, WA, OH, KY, NY, etc...look carefully we could have a connection.
I am new in genealogy research...started in Jan '99 and have made pretty
good progress, so far. My CLIFFORDs search involves many CLIFFORDs who
migrated in
1825 to the Rush/Fayette Co., Indiana area.
Research of my GGG Grandfather, Jonathan, has taken me back to Vermont. I
have had little success in tracing the CLIFFORD Family in Caledonia Co., VT.
Here's what I have...
Jonathan Clifford, my GGG Grandfather, was 16+ in the 1790 VT census.
Jonathan Clifford and his wife, Sarah Pierce Clifford had 10
children...William b.1793, John b.1797, Ephriam b.1805?, Benjamin b.1815,
Cyrus Haymond, Mary, Esther, Issiac, Walker, and Joseph. (not sure of birth
order)
The CLIFFORDs of Caledonia Co.,Vermont as follows; Jonathan in St. Johnsbury
Town in 1790 census. John born in Barnet, 1797, and Benjamin, born in
Sheffield 1815, other dates not available to me yet.
Do not know Jonathan's parents, birth date/place, where family came from
etc., Johnathan was a farmer. William and Ephriam were also Doctors,
according to my research and John was one of the very first landowners in
Rush Co., Indiana, 8 Nov 1821...Rush is adjacent to Fayette Co..
Jonathan and Sarah moved to Fayette Co., Indiana in 1825 according to the
1885 History of Fayette Co.. And in Fayette Co., IN court records
Jonathan's estate was settled in 1836, wife and all "children" were present.
All replies welcome...Happy Hunting! TTYL, Gary B. Clifford
Rosemary and List...
The NH CLIFFORDs, and for the most part those in Maine and Vermont, are descendants of John CLIFFORD of Hampton, NH. It has been frequently stated that John was the son of George CLIFFORD of Boston, MA. Although this George did have a son named John, there is no documentary evidence suggesting that John of Hampton was that son. Walter Goodwin Davis, F.A.S.G. specifically argues against that relationship. See his 'Ancestry of Nicholas Davis' or the more recent compendium of his work, 'Massachusetts and Maine Families in the Ancestry of Walter Goodwin Davis', available from the New England Historic Genenalogical Society, http://www.nehgs.org/.
The Isaac CLIFFORD who married Sarah HEALY was of the fourth generation, John(1), Israel(2), Isaac(3), Isaac(4). However, the date 1718 is not the correct date for their marriage. You may have either Isaac's birth date or the date of his parent's marriage. I do not have the correct date handy at the moment but will get it for you. Isaac was born in Kingston, NH and Sarah in Chester, NH -- both towns in Rockingham County. This couple settled in Rumney, NH which is in Grafton County.
If you need more information, I have their children, etc.
Regards,
Clark Bagnall
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Subject: Greetings and CLIFFORD Research Interests
Greetings Fellow CLIFFORD Researchers,
I am tracing several CLIFFORD lines:
1) Descendants of George CLIFFORD who died in Hunterdon, NJ in 1757. Many
descendant lines in Westmoreland County, PA and Fayette County, PA starting
circa 1760. George's grandson, Charles CLIFFORD (1730 - 1815), served in
the Revolutionary War. Several descendants admitted to DAR by virtue of
his service.
2) Philadelphia CLIFFORDs of 1790 PA Census. Believed to be related to
George CLIFFORD mentioned above, but link has not been verified.
3) Descendants of James CLIFFORD, the only CLIFFORD found in the 1790 VA
Census. Lived in area now WV. Related to WHITE, NEWELL families of NJ
who moved to VA by 1790s. STOUT, DOWD, JOHNSON families believed to be
neighbors in NJ. Trying to link this James to George CLIFFORD of NJ who
refers to "my loving brother, James CLIFFORD" in his will dated 1757.
4) Interested in learning more about the CLIFFORDs of NH, VT, Maine, CT.
Would like to learn if they are linked to the NJ CLIFFORDs. Especially
curious about Isaac CLIFFORD who married Sarah HEALY in Rockinham County,
NH in 1718.
5) Tracing descendants of Isaac CLIFFORD (circa 1776 - 1831) of Hardy
County, VA (now WV). Married Judy LEWIS in Hardy County in 1796. Trying
to tie this Isaac to any of the lines mentioned above.
All replies welcome.
My best wishes to everyone that the exchange of information via this list
will bring new discoveries for all of us!
Rosemary Clifford McDaniel
rmcdaniel(a)erols.com
Greetings Fellow CLIFFORD Researchers,
I am tracing several CLIFFORD lines:
1) Descendants of George CLIFFORD who died in Hunterdon, NJ in 1757. Many
descendant lines in Westmoreland County, PA and Fayette County, PA starting
circa 1760. George's grandson, Charles CLIFFORD (1730 - 1815), served in
the Revolutionary War. Several descendants admitted to DAR by virtue of
his service.
2) Philadelphia CLIFFORDs of 1790 PA Census. Believed to be related to
George CLIFFORD mentioned above, but link has not been verified.
3) Descendants of James CLIFFORD, the only CLIFFORD found in the 1790 VA
Census. Lived in area now WV. Related to WHITE, NEWELL families of NJ
who moved to VA by 1790s. STOUT, DOWD, JOHNSON families believed to be
neighbors in NJ. Trying to link this James to George CLIFFORD of NJ who
refers to "my loving brother, James CLIFFORD" in his will dated 1757.
4) Interested in learning more about the CLIFFORDs of NH, VT, Maine, CT.
Would like to learn if they are linked to the NJ CLIFFORDs. Especially
curious about Isaac CLIFFORD who married Sarah HEALY in Rockinham County,
NH in 1718.
5) Tracing descendants of Isaac CLIFFORD (circa 1776 - 1831) of Hardy
County, VA (now WV). Married Judy LEWIS in Hardy County in 1796. Trying
to tie this Isaac to any of the lines mentioned above.
All replies welcome.
My best wishes to everyone that the exchange of information via this list
will bring new discoveries for all of us!
Rosemary Clifford McDaniel
rmcdaniel(a)erols.com
I am doing research on my CLIFFORD Family and because I have very little
info I am contacting anyone with info on the CLIFFORD name.
Here is what little info I have.
My G Grandfather was Richard Harry Clifford. He was born in Ireland abt.
> 1850-1852. He and his parents immigrated to the states when he was seven
> months old. He ran away from home so as to avoid becoming a priest at a
> very young age. Family folklore says that they lived in New York City.
He
also
> told his daughter that his father's name was Patrick and some say his
> mother's name was Mary and others say Delia. His mother's maiden name
was
> ST. LEDGER. Also the family has different stories one saying that his
> mother died on the ship before reaching the states and others that she
died
> soon after.
>
> Some of Richard's siblings names were supposed to be; Anna, Ellen,
> Josephine, and Patrick. I don't know if these are correct or if there
were
> anymore. They were told to my mother by Richard's daughter.
>
> It is very difficult to know anything of Richard's family since he ran
away
> from home!
>
> I know this is a long-shot but hope you can help!
>
> Thanks again,
> Penny Jo Costner, Kingsland
> mikek(a)ptsi.net
My name is Devereaux (Dev) Clifford, and I've been pursuing my family
history research for about five years. I've been very impressed with
the fit between electronic publishing and on line communities and the
needs of the amateur genealogist, and as a result of the new resources
have made many times the progress others in my family enjoyed, with I am
sure a lot less effort.
My Clifford name sort of drops out of the blue (or more accurately,
crawls ashore) in the American Colonies sometime in the mid 1700s.
Edward Clifford (see story below) came from England, but it has been my
longest standing genealogy problem to learn specifically where, and from
whom. His wife, Abigail Winslow, is a similar mystery. Trying to learn
what I could about them really set me going in this pursuit.
You might find the following history (offered verbatim, with obvious
date errors), from Abiel Caverly's "History of Pittsford [Vermont]"
amusing:
Edward was born in Maiden Lane, England, about the year 1747,
and at the age of eighteen years came to Philadelphia as a
waiter for a man by the name of Logan. How long he remained
in Logans service we are not informed; but he eventually made
his way north and came to Massachusetts, married [1761]
Abigail WINSLOW of Hardwick, a descendant of Governor WINSLOW,
and resided some years in that township, where were born to
them four sons and three daughters; the former being Samuel,
Simeon, Edward and Calvin; the latter , Anna, Amelia and
Fanny.
Mr. Clifford had a weakness too common, not only to young men
of that day, but to the same class of the present day, in his
resolution to resist the intoxicating cup. In 1780, a
recruiting party came along, gave him liquor enough to
overcome him, and got his name on the enlistment papers for
the army. When he became sober enough to know what he had
done, he was in agony of mind. What could he do? He had a
family of small children wholly dependent upon him for
support. To put himself beyond the reach of the recruiting
officers he fled from home and went on board a vessel which
soon put to sea.
He had been on the water but a short time when the vessel was
captured by a British man-of-war, and being an Englishman, the
captain tried to enlist him into the British service. But he
peremptorily refused. America was his country, here was his
family, and he would not fight against them; but he was
willing to do anything for the ship or crew, and being a
tailer [sic] by trade, he was employed in making and mending
garments.
After a time the ship in which he sailed put into the harbor
of the British island Antigua, and being desirous of getting
away, he asked and obtained leave to go ashore, and he was
soon out of sight. But he had no means of subsistence, and
after seeking employment for some time without success, he
concluded to make one bold move, and, going into the office of
a lawyer by the name of LOVELL [possibly Langford Lovell, a
prominent attorney of the age who appears in numerous places
in the three volume The History of the Island of Antigua...,
by Vere Langford Oliver, London, Mitchell and Oliver, 1894-99]
he said to him: Sir, I am a stranger in destitute condition
whom the fortune of war has cast upon this island, and you
must put me into some business whereby I can earn a living.
Mr. LOVELL made some inquiries of him about what he could do,
and told him to call again the next day, and he would let him
know what could be done for him.
He called according to appointment and was employed to take
charge of the field hands on a plantation. How long he
continued in this employment we do not know, but in due
process of time he was raised to the condition of manager of
the plantation, with higher salary, which enabled him to
accumulate some funds. He eventually invested his money in
merchandise, and, joining with others, bought or chartered a
vessel and sailed for New York. In passing Hell Gate the
vessel was stranded and , losing all their property, they
barely escaped with their lives. Thus suddenly perished the
hope Mr. Clifford had so long cherished, of putting his family
in comfortable circumstances, but he found them alive and his
return was a joyful surprise as they had long supposed him to
be dead.*
We have alluded to the habit which Edward, the father, had
when a young man, of using intoxicating drinks and of his
being under the influence of these when he signed the
enlistment papers to enter the army, which led to his flight
from home and the serious results that followed. But it is
due to him to say that after his return to his family, he made
a solemn vow that he would never again touch intoxicating
drinks, a vow which he religiously kept, thus setting an
example worthy to be imitated by all addicted to similar
habits.
* The family had worn the usual symbols of mourning and laid
them aside, and had Mr. Clifford remained away a few weeks
longer, Mrs. Clifford would have changed her name.
(This last bit is a delicate way of putting it, I think, since I found a
marriage record of Abigail to Abisha Rice in Hardwick, Massachusetts,
February 20, 1782. Ooops,... nice to have you home, honey!)
Through Edward, my line goes:
Edward, Edward Jr., Caleb, James Edward, Tully Warner, Richard,
Devereaux.
Looking forward to hearing more about your Cliffords.
Open message to Dev Clifford...
Dev,
I am new to the list (looks like everyone is), and saw from the welcome message that you are descended from Edward Clifford of Pittsford, VT. I had run across your Edward while searching for descendants of John Clifford of Hampton, NH in Vermont. I am just curious to know a little more about Edward and his children.
Regards,
Clark Bagnall
Just want to introduce my self.. I am from George CLIFFORD (b) 1585/87 (m)
1612 Elizabeth (Unknown) had son John, Senior (b) 1614 (m) 1st Sarah (Unknown)
2nd Elizabeth (WISEMAN) RICHARDSON and 3rd Bridget (?) ....I am from wife No.,
One to son Israel.....It now appears that we have connected this George to the
main stem of the CLIFFORD family back to the year 500AD....
Glad to be a part of this group. I also belong to the CLIFFORD
Association.....
Regards,
Leroy Baker #249
Midland, Michigan