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Dora, In my ancestry I note a Nathaniel Lowe, farmer, (son of John Lowe,
farmer) of Moate who married Susan Castleton. age 18, of Balloughloe,
daughter of George Castleton, farmer, on 9th October 1861. George Castleton
was my G G Grandfather. Would this be your Nathaniel Lowe? Castletons, like
the Clibborns, go back in Moate to the mid 17th Century. Regards. Leslie
Mills
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From: "Dora Smith" <tiggernut24(a)yahoo.com>
To: <CLIBBORN(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 2:58 AM
Subject: [CLIBBORN] When Cuthbert John Clibborn inherited Moate castle
> The other day, I called Martina Griffin of the Moate historical society,
> about something else, and she told me that since I last talked to her, she
> found another piece of information.
>
> John Clibborn, who married Elizabeth Fetherstnoe, in 1797, left a will
> dated 1804. I didn't know if that was when he died. However, he died
> while his son Cuthbert John was a minor. During the period when Cuthbert
> JOhn Clibborn was a minor, his estates were administered by Thomas Stettel
> Clibborn. When he came of age, Cuthbert John Clibborn acceded to Moate
> Castle and whatever administrative powers went with it. This was before
> 1831, when "Sir F. Clibborn, JP" sponsored my 3X great grandfather,
> Nathaniel Lowe, for the RIC.
>
> Yours,
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
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The other day, I called Martina Griffin of the Moate historical society, about something else, and she told me that since I last talked to her, she found another piece of information.
John Clibborn, who married Elizabeth Fetherstnoe, in 1797, left a will dated 1804. I didn't know if that was when he died. However, he died while his son Cuthbert John was a minor. During the period when Cuthbert JOhn Clibborn was a minor, his estates were administered by Thomas Stettel Clibborn. When he came of age, Cuthbert John Clibborn acceded to Moate Castle and whatever administrative powers went with it. This was before 1831, when "Sir F. Clibborn, JP" sponsored my 3X great grandfather, Nathaniel Lowe, for the RIC.
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24(a)yahoo.com
When?John Clibborn became a Quaker, it was the practice of the members in and around Moate to meet at the members' houses on a rotating basis.?Clibborn built Moate Hall to provide a permanent place for these meetings.? It was used for many years, but it was constructed of wood and in later years, burned down.? It was rumored at the time that some local Catholics did the deed, but nothing was ever proven.
Sincerely. Robert Barclay Fetter (nee Clibborn)
found Moate Castle, on Main St. in the village of Moate. Google maps will
even bring up a pretty picture, and more of the village of Moate.
N
But where was Moate Hall? It was where Thomas Clibborn, the owner of a thousand
acres who was in the textile business, lived. Catholics
Or, was it Hall, Moate? Because when one googles Thomas Clibborn, Moate, you
get this snippet view of The Irish Famine: a documentary history. But
Google's review of the page includes "Thomas Clibborn, Hall, Moate". Hall was
one of the townlands where Thomas's land was.
Is that it? THere was no building called Moate Hall?
Was John Clibborn's house at Moate Grenoge the castle, or a house in
northwestern Moate, where the townland of Moate Gronoge was?
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
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Hello Dora,
Welcome to the website for the descendants of the Clibborn family of Moate,
County Westmeath.
My sister and I and our offspring are from the James Clibborn line ~ our
grandmother ~ Anne Murray Clibborn was a daughter of James Clibborn ~ she
became the second wife of the Rev George Dyer ~ a Wesleyan Minister from
Cornwall ~ their only son Fritz Clibborn Dyer [1895-1950] was our father.
I am interested to read that your ancestor was in the Royal Irish
Constabulary ~ as I have spent nearly all my working life in the Colonial
Police ~ in Central Africa and Hong Kong.
Best Wishes, Ron Clibborn-Dyer [Hong Kong]
________
2009/7/17 Dora Smith <tiggernut24(a)yahoo.com>
> Repost. I made two posts, and only the second of them went through.
>
> Sir F. Clibborn, JP, Co Westmeath, Ireland, sponsored my 3x great
> grandfather when he joined the Royal Irish Constabulary in 1831. They were
> all required to have sponsors, most often clergy or JP's.
>
> I know that the Clibborn's were a wealthy and powerful family in the part
> of Westmeath where Lowe's lived. That was a 30 mile by 15 mile stretch of
> land, and I need to narrow it down. My ancestor's sponsor should have been
> someone who lived near him.
>
> Can anyone possibly identify Sir F. Clibborn JP in 1831, some place in
> probably southern Co Westmeath?
>
> I'm not finding him in the local online genealogies.
>
> Libraries in C Westmeath seem to be finding 19th century JP's hard to look
> up. Sometimes things are unexpectedly hard in Ireland, because information
> is organized very differently than here. Here the local histories would
> contain lists of JP's. Actually, a web site on the Royal Irish
> Constabulary says to consult local lists of JP's to learn where the sponsor
> of your ancestor was located. But I guess the local library local history
> departments have no such lists.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Yours,
> Dora Smith
> Austin, TX
> tiggernut24(a)yahoo.com
>
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http://www.claibornesociety.org/research/dna.shtml
Whatever else is true, Moate Clibborn's are not of a line of aristocrats in
Yorkshire. Since the alternative histories have them from places in Durham
and Yorkshire with similar sounding names, they must really be from Durham.
The Y DNA doesn't match.
Fortunes of families changed rapidly in that period, and the Moate
Clibborn's got their start by buying an old castle the size of a small manor
house, at bargain basement sale price, from a Cromwellian soldier who
couldn't afford to keep it. Obtaining cheap land in that time could make
a resourceful family rich in a short time. Some of the land may even
have come with the castle.
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24(a)yahoo.com
I found some information at Ancestry.
I found one tree that is pretty thorough. But it doesn't give a date of
death for John Clibborn, father of Cuthbert John Clibborn. Each had Moate
Castle in turn. Cuthbert John Clibborn lived from 1803 to 1847, and
married in 1836.
He was a JP, but it seems like he would have been barely if old enough to be
a JP in 1831. There is also the matter of how his name, which begins with
C, would have morphed into the F on my ancestor's RIC record.
But if he was a JP because he owned Moate Castle, was his father a JP before
him? His father's name was John, and in old handwriting if it were written
right, the first letter could have resembled an F. John was born in 1763.
Was he living in 1831? He'd have been around 68.
I can't seem to find any more information.
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24(a)yahoo.com
I found Moate Castle, on Main St. in the village of Moate. Google maps will even bring up a pretty picture, and more of the village of Moate.
But where was Moate Hall? It was where Thomas Clibborn, the owner of a thousand acres who was in the textile business, lived.
Or, was it Hall, Moate? Because when one googles Thomas Clibborn, Moate, you get this snippet view of The Irish Famine: a documentary history. But Google's review of the page includes "Thomas Clibborn, Hall, Moate". Hall was one of the townlands where Thomas's land was.
Is that it? THere was no building called Moate Hall?
Was John Clibborn's house at Moate Grenoge the castle, or a house in northwestern Moate, where the townland of Moate Gronoge was?
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24(a)yahoo.com
http://www.claibornesociety.org/research/dna.shtml
Whatever else is true, Moate Clibborn's are not of a line of aristocrats in Yorkshire. Since the alternative histories have them from places in Durham and Yorkshire with similar sounding names, they must really be from Durham.
The Y DNA doesn't match.
Fortunes of families changed rapidly in that period, and the Moate Clibborn's got their start by buying an old castle the size of a small manor house, at bargain basement sale price, from a Cromwellian soldier who couldn't afford to keep it. Obtaining cheap land in that time could make a resourceful family rich in a short time. Some of the land may even have come with the castle.
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24(a)yahoo.com
Repost. I made two posts, and only the second of them went through.
Sir F. Clibborn, JP, Co Westmeath, Ireland, sponsored my 3x great grandfather when he joined the Royal Irish Constabulary in 1831. They were all required to have sponsors, most often clergy or JP's.
I know that the Clibborn's were a wealthy and powerful family in the part of Westmeath where Lowe's lived. That was a 30 mile by 15 mile stretch of land, and I need to narrow it down. My ancestor's sponsor should have been someone who lived near him.
Can anyone possibly identify Sir F. Clibborn JP in 1831, some place in probably southern Co Westmeath?
I'm not finding him in the local online genealogies.
Libraries in C Westmeath seem to be finding 19th century JP's hard to look up. Sometimes things are unexpectedly hard in Ireland, because information is organized very differently than here. Here the local histories would contain lists of JP's. Actually, a web site on the Royal Irish Constabulary says to consult local lists of JP's to learn where the sponsor of your ancestor was located. But I guess teh local libray local history departments have no such lists.
Thanks!
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24(a)yahoo.com
I know there are people who have posted on this family here before.
I am coincidentally descended from William Clibborn by another line. His daughter Anne married John Miller, and they founded a Quaker community in Pennsylvania. His son John bought Moate Castle, Moate, Co Westmeath, Ireland.
I've got atleast three versions of where he is from, atleast two of them from old local histories online at Google Books. I have also consulted Irish Quaker Immigrants to Pennsylvania., which usually gives exact source information but not in this case.
What is the most authoritative current info on where he was from?
Thanks!
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24(a)yahoo.com
Sir F. Clibborn, JP, Co Westmeath, Ireland, sponsored my 3x great grandfather when he joined the Royal Irish Constabulary in 1831. They were all required to have sponsors, most often clergy or JP's.
I know that the Clibborn's were a wealthy and powerful family in the part of Westmeath where Lowe's lived. That was a 30 mile by 15 mile stretch of land, and I need to narrow it down. My ancestor's sponsor should have been someone who lived near him.
Can anyone possibly identify Sir F. Clibborn JP in 1831, some place in probably southern Co Westmeath?
I'm not finding him in the local online genealogies.
Libraries in C Westmeath seem to be finding 19th century JP's hard to look up.
Thanks!
Yours,
Dora Smith
Austin, TX
tiggernut24(a)yahoo.com