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I am gradually getting ready for my visit to Dublin and the archives there in May. The Clibborn Rootsweb family tree now has 338 Clibborns on it.
I suspect that the Quaker records have been well and truly trawled and that I need to look to other sources to find other branches. On my visit I am going to focus on the 1901 and 1910 census (earlier ones were destroyed) so I need fairly accurate addresses for Clibborns living in Ireland on those dates. Obviously I will check trade directories in Dublin, Cork etc, and will check the Dublin address where James died in 1893 to see if Edith was still living there and of course Moate Castle and Moate View.
I am also trying to identify which Church of Ireland (Anglian) registers exist as I suspect that those who left the Society of Friends will have used the Anglian church for baptisms, weddings and funerals.
Any ideas about finding our lost Clibborns are gratefully received.
The Quaker Archives in Dublin is going to let me view their photographs of Clibborns. However the photos are in books and cannot be copied except by digital camera.
Celia
For information on Monarchs of England and Rulers and Monarchs of Great
Britain, Clibborn researchers may wish to visit the following website which
offers a Regnal Calendar calculator plus much more:
http://britannia.com/history/h6f.html
Clicking on any underlined name on the page will bring up a page concerning
that individual.
Clicking on the Genealogy subheading for the Royal will bring up a
standard, browsable, genealogy of the family line.
With respect to Regnal dates, the dates in parentheses are the dates of the
reign of the individual.
So, to figure a comparative Julian date, start with the first year of reign.
As an example, a date written as 6 Ri. 2, (Richard II who reigned
(1377-99)), would be 1377 +6-1=1382 Julian.
Best wishes, Ron in Hong Kong, China
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With thanks to 'Gene Hubbard on the DYER list for sharing this.
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I am taking a day off work to go to the Wellcome Medical Library to find out about Clibborns who were doctors - some of whom I have not yet linked to the Clibborn family tree. Please let me know if you know of other Clibborns who were in the medical profession. My list is:
Joseph about 1790 whose son William attended Dublin University
Cuthbert born 1846 of Moate and Belfast
James Barclay - surgeon in Royal Navy died 1888 aged 36
William 1854-1909 qualified in Ireland, living in Warwickshire in 1881
Celia
Hello CLIBBORN researchers,
There is considerable debate under-way over the white paper on:
"Civil Registration:Vital Change Birth, Marriage and Death Registration in
the 21st Century"
A member of the Cornish Gen e-list has put together a summary of the
proposed changes
at the following web-site:
http://www.montypython.cwc.net/whitepaper.htm
This should be of interest to us all as it will affect our research and our
offspring.
Best wishes, Ron in Hong Kong, China
__________________________________________________________________________
With acknowledgements to Geoff, the compiler of the web-site
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Hello Clibborn researchers, below is a New facility that
you may find very very helpful in your family research.
Best wishes, Ron in Hong Kong, China
Subject: IGI Batch Numbers - a new facility
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#P...
Dear listers
Have you been frustrated searching the IGI for your rellies when you have
only the surname
but got tired of figuring out batch numbers and typing them into the LDS
search screen
(since you can't do a last name search unless you know a batch number)?
I have been - so I decided to do something about it. I have made an
exhaustive search of the
likely ranges of batch numbers for the British Isles and created a database
of those numbers
and the source records that they apply to. I have searched all the possible
numbers in the
ranges shown on my website. For each batch I extracted the church or chapel
(if specified),
town, county and country names of the first record that appears when it is
called up in my
browser. I then organised them by country and county and created a website.
A very powerful
feature that I have included is a hotlink from each batch number to the
actual search engine
provided at http://www.familysearch.org, including the ability to enter the
surname you are
looking for. This makes it very easy to search all the batches for a
particular geographic
location using just the last name you are searching for - something that is
not possible
directly from the LDS site without doing a lot of typing. It also connects
towns that are listed
in more than one county in the IGI which can sometimes be a problem causing
you to lose a
relly because you are looking across a county border!!
I hope you will like it - please let me know if you have any suggestions
for improvements,
enhancements, or new features that I might be able to implement.
(oh yes - where is the site? - I wondered if you would ask that. - take a
look at my signature line)
Thanks
Hugh Wallis
Ontario, Canada
Formerly of Surrey, UK
IGI Batch numbers -
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm#P...
_____________________________________________________________________________
With thanks to Hugh Wallace for sharing this wondeful new facility.
In the words of one grateful New Zealand researcher:
"Your blood should be bottled and sold for gold"
______________________________________________________________________________
Chris and I will be going to Clibborn/Claiborne reunion for a week in May. This includes a visit to Cork to meet the Cleburne descendants.
I have written to the Quaker Library in Dublin about my visit. I think it is open for two hours a week so I will let them know what I want to view so the archives will be ready when I get there. Does anyone want to suggest the highest priority of archives that I should check? We do have a great deal of information gained from Quaker records already so I will be visiting other archives in Dublin to find out more about Clibborns who were no longer members of the Society of Friends.
Celia
Hello again fellow Clibborn researchers.
Here is a most interesting and informative letter from Deborah [Debbie],
our most recent member.
Can anyone answer her questions on the family tree ?
It sounds very much like the one the Malcolm Pim has kindly shared with us
for viewing on the MSN Clibborn Community site.
Best wishes,
Ron Hong Kong, China - amidst green hills echoing to sound of Chinese
firecrackers chasing away the ghosts and welcoming the Lunar New Year
of the Horse.
There is an ancient Chinese saying about the Horse flying on the back of
a Swallow - Well on Chinese New Year's eve - two swallows begain nesting
here at the temple - a most auspicious sign.
Letter From Deborah:
I don't know where to begin. I was helping my elderly father-in-law try to
find more information on his Polish roots, when we came across
Rootsweb.com. Since we hit dead ends there with the his line, I started
typing in some of my family stuff, and I was hooked. I have always had an
interest in family history, and really have quite a bit of information from
all sides of my family, with a few areas that need buffing up. I typed in
Booth-Clibborn because I knew anyone with that name was definitely related,
and that's how this all began, and I got connected with Celia and Eleanor..
My mother, Vicki, is 81 now, and not computer savvy. I have called her at
least 20 times in the last 24 hours, trying to explain to her what is
happening, but it is hard. She is excited, of course, and so are my sisters
Mary (in Texas) and Tori (Victoria) in Australia.
I am 48, a non-working audiologist, with three children. My husband, John,
is a professor at West Virginia University in Morgantown, WV. Krista, our
oldest child, is 21, and majoring in mechanical engineering at WVU. Our
second child Anna, is 18, and majoring in Physics at WVU. Lee, our
youngest, is 15, and a delightful teenage boy, who loves reading,
computers, and playing computer games.
I was born in 1953 in Houston, Texas, the youngest of four children. C.M.,
my father, was an Episcopal priest who passed away in 1991. My father was
called to an Episcopal Church from New York in 1950. So all of my siblings
were actually born in Nyack, NY, so I am the only TRUE Texan in the family.
Mother now resides in Austin, Texas. She is fairly frail, but still on her
own. She has some family pictures and books. The main picture she has that
seems important is a glass photograph of the General on her living room
wall. But she does have other pictures of Arthur Booth-Clibborn, and other
members of the family.
I have fond memories of my grandmother Victoria. When I was a child, she
would come for long visits in Houston. She was so talented, she would sit
at the piano and play and sing for hours. I especially remember her
playing and singing "How Great Thou Art." She preached at us a lot, and I
remember her telling us about growing up in France. She seemed to speak
more in French when she got excited. She was difficult at times as she got
elderly, but she always seemed like royalty to me, because she had that air
about her. My aunt Evangeline lived with her until her (Victoria's) death
in St. Petersburg, Florida. Aunt Evangeline passed away maybe 20 years ago,
sort of suddenly, of undiagnosed cancer. Grandmother had quite a biography,
which I believe most of you are probably familiar with. If not, I can
provide more details about her remarkable life.
My mother had the following siblings: Arthur, still living, he has two
grown children. :David Demarest, who died in WWII: Evangeline, who died in
Florida after grandmother. Evangeling never married or had children. There
was another brother Eric who died at about 2 days, and another brother
Danny, who died of encephalitis (I believe) at about 2 years of age. Mom
also had two half brothers, sons of Agnew Demarest, who grandmother
married. They were Cornelius Demarest ( who died about a year ago), and
John Demarest, who died many years ago.
My mother married C.M. of Revolutionary War, Lexington MA genealogy lines.
They were married in New York City, and my father's first church was in
Nyack. There my sister Victoria was born in 1946. My sister, Mary, was
born in 1949, and then my brother David in 1950. They then moved to
Houston, and I was born Deborah there in 1953.
I remember Uncle Willy (William), as he was called. The memories are mostly
vague, except for a few. Uncle Willy would, on rare occasions, come visit
us in Houston when I was a child. I will never forget one Sunday afternoon
at the dinner table, we were having a lively discussion about something,
and he stood up stiffly at the table, threw the napkin down, and yelled
"That is BLASPHEMY!!" I don't remember what got him so excited! Also, I
remember hearing family stories about his mischievous childhood. The two
that come to mind are the ones about him lighting candles all over an
attic, so the house almost caught on fire. The other one is about him
putting a baby into a kite, and floating into the air!! I always wondered
if that was really possible, and if true, why the baby (whoever it was)
didn't die. Anyway, that pretty much sums up my memories of Uncle Willie.
It seems he had quite a colorful personality!
My siblings and I have 10 children all together. My sister, Tori, in
Australia, gave her only child up for adoption at birth twenty four years
ago. His name is Michael R, and we have just become united with him over
the past year, and Tori got to meet him for the first time over the
holidays. It has been a very exciting event for our family, because we
always wondered about him, and he is truly a delightful, talented young
man. I put together a family scrapbook for him when we first met, which he
finds very interesting. He is anxious to know more about his biological
roots. He was so surprised and excited to hear about his heritage. I spoke
with him today, and he and his wife Leah would love to be able to see the
MSN website.
My sister Mary has two boys. Sutton is 24, and in the US Army in Georgia,
and will be getting out in May. Scott, 21, is in Washington DC at the
Pentagon. He is in special secret communications, computer stuff, and yes,
we were worried on September 11. He was ok, but has some harrowing tales
to tell. We did not find out for several hours whether he was ok or not,
so as you can imagine, that was an ordeal.
My brother David, lives in Houston Texas. He has four biological
children. Tracy is in the Army in Germany, and she is 25 years
old. Michelle is a paramedic, firefighter in Houston, about 21 years
old. Christine is 18, and a freshman in college. His youngest is William,
age 15.
I have one more story I feel I have to tell you all. It is one of those
Bermuda Trianglish kind of stories that happen sometimes that is hard to
believe. When my father passed away in Sept of 1991, we decided, more or
less at random, what weekend to fly to Boston from Texas to have his ashes
interred at the family plot in a church yard in Andover, Mass. We decided
on November 9. My mother called the priest of the church, who she had
never met, and asked if he would be available on November 9 to do a short
graveside service. He paused and said no, he was sorry he would not
be. Then he said, "Mrs. M, I feel I need to tell you why I will not be
available that day. You see, the wife of the Bishop of Manchester will be
here doing a presentation for the women of the church, and it is my job to
keep him entertained that day." My mother, startled, paused and said, "Do
you mean Stanley Booth-Clibborn?" Reverend Diamond paused again, and said
"yes." My mother said," Stanley Booth-Clibborn is my first cousin!!" It
was so weird because if Reverend Diamond had not said anything, we would
never had known, and we might not have gone that weekend!! My mother
called Stanley on the phone that day, and talked to him, and not only was
he coming, but he agreed to actually perform the service for my father. It
took place as planned. We had a wonderful luncheon after the service, and
we were so thrilled to meet such a wonderful member of the family. Mother
had never met him, but they had communicated some through letters over the
years. I believe that is a wonderful story, I hope you all find it so, as
well.
I do want to ask one question, hope it is not silly. I have a "genealogy"
sheet that was Grandmother Victoria's. She always seemed very proud of her
Clibborn heritage. This page has names going back to the sureties of the
Magna Carta, a Richard De Clare. Do you all know how accurate this sheet
is? I would love to know for our children's sake. If anyone look like a
copy, I can send a copy of the scanned image.
I am also interested in finding out more about the reunion. If anyone could
provide more details on that, I would greatly appreciate it. If at all
possible, I would come, and bring Mother. I am putting on the web site a
photograph of Grandmother Victoria with my mother Victoria, taken about
1921, when my mother was about one year
Well, enough of an introduction. I look forward to hearing from any or all
of you. I also look forward to learning more about the family, and having
fun with it all. I created a new photo album at the MSN site, to which I
have added a picture of Grandmother Victoria with my mother when she was
about 1 year old.
With Warmest Regards,
Deborah
________________________________________________________________
Hello fellow CLIBBORN researchers, We welcome Debbie Zaniewski who
writes this to our CLIBBORN Community site on MSN.
Ron in Hong Kong, China
From: Debbie Z
Debbie Z <jpz(a)labyrinth.net>
Message 1 in Discussion
Dear Everyone,
I don't know where to begin. I was helping my elderly father-in-law try
to find more information on his Zaniewski roots, when we came across
Rootsweb.com. Since we hit dead ends there with the Zaniewski line, I
started typing in some of my family stuff, and I was hooked. I have always
had an interest in family history, and really have quite a bit of information
from all sides of my family, with a few areas that need buffing up. I typed
in Booth-Clibborn because I knew anyone with that name was definitely
related, and that's how this all began, and I got connected with Celia and
Eleanor..
My mother, Vicki, is 81 now, and not computer savvy. I have called her at
least 20 times in the last 24 hours, trying to explain to her what is
happening,
but it is hard. She is excited, of course, and so are my sisters Mary (in
Texas)
and Tori (Victoria) in Australia.
I am 48, a non-working audiologist, with three children. My husband, John
Zaniewski, is a professor of civil engineering at West Virginia University
in Morgantown, WV. Krista, our oldest child, is 21, and majoring in
mechanical engineering at WVU. Our second child Anna, is 18, and majoring
in Physics at WVU. Lee, our youngest, is 15, and a delightful teenage boy,
who loves reading, computers, and playing computer games.
I was born in Sept. 1953 in Houston, Texas, the youngest of four children.
Claxton Monro, my father, was an Episcopal priest who passed away in 1991.
My father was called to St. Stephens Episcopal Church from New York in
1950. So all of my siblings were actually born in Nyack, NY, so I am the
only TRUE Texan in the family. Mother now resides in Austin, Texas. She is
fairly frail, but still on her own. She has some family pictures and books.
The main picture she has that seems important is a glass photograph of the
General on her living room wall. But she does have other pictures of Arthur
Booth-Clibborn, and other members of the family.
I have fond memories of my grandmother Victoria. When I was a child, she
would come for long visits in Houston. She was so talented, she would sit
at the piano and play and sing for hours. I especially remember her playing
and singing "How Great Thou Art." She preached at us a lot, and I remember
her telling us about growing up in France. She seemed to speak more in French
when she got excited. She was difficult at times as she got elderly, but she
always seemed like royalty to me, because she had that air about her.
My aunt Evangeline lived with her until her (Victoria's) death in St.
Petersburg,
Florida. Aunt Evangeline passed away maybe 20 years ago, sort of suddenly,
of undiagnosed cancer. Grandmother had quite a biography, which I believe
most of you are probably familiar with. If not, I can provide more details
about
her remarkable life.
My mother had the following siblings: Arthur Demarest, still living, in
Flushing,
NY. Arthur has two children, David Demarest, and Diane Demarest, both in NY.
David has one teenaged son, and Diane has no children. :David Demarest, who
died in WWII: Evangeline, who died in Florida after grandmother. Evangeling
never married or had children. There was another brother Eric who died at
about
2 days, and another brother Danny, who died of encephalitis (I believe)
Hello fellow CLIBBORN researchers, I have received this further
correspondence on the DNA research project into the male CLIBBORN line [and
the spelling variations].
If anyobody is interested in participating please make contact direct and
let us know how it goes.
Best wishes, Ron in Hong Kong, China
Happy Lunar New Year - there are firecrackers going off everywhere!
It is just after midnight on the first day of the Year of the Horse.
From: "Alex Waldrop" <awaldrop(a)maine.rr.com>
To: "Ron Clibborn-Dyer" <roncd(a)despammed.com>
Subject: Re: Posting on CLIBBORN-L
Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:52
Hello Ron,
I am directing a Y-DNA study to determine if there is a genetic connection
between 4 families with surnames related to Cliburn: Claiborne, Cliborn,
Clibborn and Cleburne. All four lines believe that they are descendants of
the family that owned Cliburn Hall near Penrith in Westmorland now Cumbria
County, UK.
The Cleburne line has a documented paper trail to the Westmorland family.
The American Cleburnes came to America from Ireland.
Two famous members of this line are the Confederate General Patrick
Cleburne and his cousin, US Admiral Dr. Christopher J. Cleborne.
Your Clibborn line, as I understand it, also has a documented paper trail
to Westmorland, if John Clibborn of Cockfield Parish in Durham is identical
to John the brother of Richard Cliburn of Cliburn Hall and Killerby. I
would be delighted to receive information from you on well-known Clibborns
or to sites with information on Clibborns. The Cliborn family members in
America are descendants of John Cliborn of Dale Parish in Henrico County,
Virginia. The pianist, Van Cliburn, is in this family. The descendants of
William Claiborne of Virginia constitute the fourth family. Many of them
have held various political offices in America.
The Claiborne Society would welcome participation in this study from males
with a surname related to Claiborne, Clibborn, Cleyborne, Cliborn, Cliburn,
Cleborne, Cleburne, etc. I requsted the URL of your site to review the
portion of your site that apparently includes my e-mail address to be
certain all of the information was accurate.
Will you be listing with either Ann Turner's DNACousins list or with Chris
Pomery's list?
All the best,
Alex
_________________________________________________________________
I have received the following message from Ann Turner, the List
Administrator of:
GENEALOGY-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com
for anyone who is interested.
Cheers Ron in Hong Kong, China
From: DNACousins(a)aol.com
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 04:30:31 EST
Subject: Re: DNA testing
To: roncd(a)despammed.com, awaldrop(a)maine.rr.com
Hello --
I recently started a mailing list at RootsWeb for people interested in the
potential of DNA testing for genealogy research. I monitor other web sites
and mailing lists for mentions of this topic, and I saw your post on
CLIBBORN-L. If you're interested in the general topic of genealogy and DNA,
I'd like to invite you to join our list and/or bring our mailing list to
the attention of subscribers to your list. We're always interested in
hearing about new projects, too.
You can browse past messages and sign up for the list at
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Miscellaneous/GENEALOGY-DNA.html
Also, one of our list members, Chris Pomery, maintains a list of surname
projects at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~allpoms/genetics1a.html. It's a
good starting point for seeing what many other projects have done. He
doesn't have a link or contact for Claiborne yet. I'm sure he'd be glad to
publicize your project as well.
Ann Turner DNACousins(a)aol.com
List Administrator
GENEALOGY-DNA-L(a)rootsweb.com
_____________________________________________________________________________________
The following mail has been passed on by Celia Strachan for information of
the CLIBBORN research
group. To understand what is is all about visit the web-site indicated <
http://www.familytreedna.com/ >
It is very interesting. One can trace from both the male and female lines
it seems. Anyone interested?
Best wishes and a Happy, Healthy and Prosperous Lunar New Year of the Horse
[Feb 14th 2002]
Ron in Hong Kong, China
_______________________________________________________________________________
The Claiborne Society is funding a research study of the y-DNA of the four
lines:
Claiborne, Cliborn, Clibborn and Cleburne.
At this time we have the funds to pay for two descendants of each line to
be tested.
Alex Waldrop and I are asking for your help in identifying a second donor
from the Clibborn y-DNA line. Information on the test and the logic
behind it can be found on the web site of the compay doing the
test: < http://www.familytreedna.com/ > . Links to pages
describing other family y-DNA studies are there also.
These pages illustrate the importance of having at least two donors from
each line.
We have the results back on six samples. The two Claibornes matched 12 out
of 12. The two Cliborns matched 12 out of 12. However, the Claiborne line
and the Cliborn line only had one match out of twelve - meaning they were
from two different tribes.
A fifth individual paid for his own test ($217) and was identified 12 out
of 12 with the Cliborn line.
He can now clean up the documentation on his ancestors.
The first donor from the Clibborn branch came back with 8 out of 12 matches
with the Cliborn line and with 3 out of 12 matches with the Claiborne
line. All three lines have one match in common. This Clibborn donor is
a close cousin to Charles Booth-Clibborn. We would be delighted for
Charles to donate DNA if he is willing to pay for the test, but would
prefer that the pre-paid donor be a more distant cousin to our first donor.
There appear to be quite a few males in the Clibborn line that might have
had descendants when I look at the Irish families. Your husband and Ron
Clibborn-Dyer are out as donors because their descent is through the female
line. Are there any Irish Clibborns you are in contact with?
This week we have found a potential DNA donor directly descended from the
Cleburne line of Cliburn, Westmorland. If he donates his DNA soon, it will
probably be at least the end of March before we have that result back, it
should tell us if your Clibborn line is definitely related to that
branch. A second sample of each
of those lines serves as a double check.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
For more information contact -
Sue Cliborn Forbes
<JohnWForbes(a)aol.com> / 913 - 631 - 4481
5703 Oakview / Shawnee, Kansas / 66216
Alex Waldrop - Research Chairman, Claiborne Society / Director of DNA Study
<awaldrop(a)maine.rr.com> / 207 - 773 - 6450
260 Westbrook Street #10 / South Portland, Maine / 04106
___________________________________________________________________
I have updated the Clibborn rootsweb family tree and there are now 337 Clibborns listed.
I used research done by Malcolm Pim's father and grandfather which was commenced about 100 years ago. This archive contains a number of letters and replies about family history memories from Clibborns who were alive then. For example there is a brief note from Susannah Clibborn from Anner House, Clonmel written in 1905. She was the last Clibborn to live in Anner House.
Where there is a difference of dates between the Pim archive and information I had from David Leverton I have left these unchanged as I don't know which is more accurate. With differences in spelling I have often put one in brackets e.g. Elizabeth (Beale) Bailey.
Many thanks to Malcolm for giving me access to his family archives.
Celia