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>From Malcolm Pim's family archives I have started to make a list of Clibborns of Ireland who went to North America. More information about other travellers are welcome.
Joshua Clibborn born 1769 son of Barclay Clibborn and Sarah Cooper
America. Never married
Samuel Clibborn born 1794 son of William Cooper Clibborn and Alice Simmons
America
Abraham Clibborn born 1810, son of ?
Farmer of Queens, Ireland
Fort Shannon, Florida in the 2nd Dragoons, D Company, Buffalo Barracks 1837-1840
Frederick Clibborn born 1846 son of Barclay Clbborn and Elizabeth Cherry
Pennsylvania with his wife and had two children there but then the family returned to England
Alfred Ernest Clibborn born 1852 son of James Clibborn and Margaret Murray
Canada with his family
Percy James Clibborn born 1853 son of James Clibborn and Margaret Murray
America with his two sons, later married there
August Edouart was a well-known silhouette maker (before the invention of photographs). He made silhouettes in America of the following Clibborns - Josiah, Adele B, and Joshua.
Celia
Hi David,
That would be a wonderful contribution to our group.
Have you got Optical Character Reader software?
Please note my new e-mail address.
My old e-mail supplier has gone bust, and all I can do now is retrieve
incoming mail at the server
using a great programme called E-Remove from
http://tucows.pacific.net.hk/spam95.html
If you're fed up with spam and virus attachments - check it out.
Cheers Ron
From: David Leverton <David_Leverton(a)telus.net>
To: Ron Clibborn-Dyer <roncd(a)asiaonline.net>
Subject: Re: "Aunt Darrah's Story" [1796-1803]
Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:16:10 -0800
Hi Ron,
Yes, I have thought for some time that Aunt Darrah's story would be very
interesting
reading for the group. It talks about the family defending the home in
Ireland during the
time of the uprising of 1798.
I will try to get Wendy's permission to make it available. Currently, I
don't have the
document in electronic form. I'll have to scan it then convert to text and
hope there
aren't too many corrections to make.
David.
Hello,
I have a Major Thomas Clibborn, 1st Bombay Grenadiers, who d. 05-May-1844. His great
grandfather was Robert Clibborn (1701-1786) of Whelan Grove who married Ann Martin.
Robert is a brother to James Clibborn (1709-1783) who married Experience Barclay. Do we
have a reference point now?
Robert and Ann had two sons John of Newtown who married Sarah Bewley and Joshua who
married Lydia Cooper.
John and Sarah had Henry, Anne, Hannah and Charlotte.
Henry of Lysinisky (or Linanisky) m. Isabella Nicholson of Stramore
Anne m. JJ Darrah
Hannah m. Ed Dalton
Charlotte m. Capt. Tom Jennings of the Dragoon Guards
Henry & Isabella had Christiana, Sarah, Lydia, Thomas and John of Bath
Sarah m. Joseph Reed of Bath
Lydia (1803-1879) m Rev. William Henry Edward Dalzel Shaw (1802-1886)
Thomas d. 05-May-1844
John m 1. Eliza Todd 2. Louisa Collins
All of the above was given to me by Wendy Shaw of Australia in October of 1993.
Wendy also sent me a transcript of "Aunt Darrrah's Story" a 60 odd page journal written by
Aunt Darrah in March 1803, covering their experiences in Ireland from 1796.
David_Leverton(a)telus.net
On Sun, 20 Jan 2002 15:17:29 -0500 (EST), you wrote:
>Ron
>
>Thanks for doing some research into Clibborns mentioned in on-line archives.
>
>There must be lots of places to access India Army records besides the British Museum, which limits free access to academic researchers and the like. I will try the Society of Genealogist when I visit there this summer. The Public Record Office in Kew is another alternative plus various Army archives.
>
>Probably the John Clibborn of the Bengal Staff Corp is Colonel John Clibborn whose 4 children were born in India (1882-1886) and who lost his two sons, Cuthbert and Cecil, in the first World War. The Times newspaper has the marriage of a Col Clibborn on 9 Feb 1887 (page 5 column e). I have not looked up this reference yet. This may be a second marriage of the above.
>
>I don’t have a Thomas Clibborn who died 1844 on my database.
>
>Referring to the Edward Clibborn in the Royal Geographical Society records I only have three Edwards on the database and from their dates any could be a possibility.
>
>Celia
>
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Ron
Thanks for doing some research into Clibborns mentioned in on-line archives.
There must be lots of places to access India Army records besides the British Museum, which limits free access to academic researchers and the like. I will try the Society of Genealogist when I visit there this summer. The Public Record Office in Kew is another alternative plus various Army archives.
Probably the John Clibborn of the Bengal Staff Corp is Colonel John Clibborn whose 4 children were born in India (1882-1886) and who lost his two sons, Cuthbert and Cecil, in the first World War. The Times newspaper has the marriage of a Col Clibborn on 9 Feb 1887 (page 5 column e). I have not looked up this reference yet. This may be a second marriage of the above.
I don’t have a Thomas Clibborn who died 1844 on my database.
Referring to the Edward Clibborn in the Royal Geographical Society records I only have three Edwards on the database and from their dates any could be a possibility.
Celia
Hello CLIBBORN researchers,
Would anybody care to check these records out at the British Library or
wherever the original documents are held?
A general search of the British Library A2A archives on-line produced these
CLIBBORN hits from the Indian Army records:
Thomas Clibborn, Cadet, East India Company's Army 1815-1817
Thomas Clibborn, Bombay Service Army List, 1st NI d 1844
John Clibborn, Bengal Staff Corps, Bengal Army 1878-1879
and these from the Royal Geographic Society Records:
Edward Clibborn 1837-38
British Library, India Office Records: Military Department Records
[IOR/L/MIL/09/125 - IOR/L/MIL/09/149] [1708-1957] 1 hit(s)
Records of the Military Department
Entry to the military, medical and nursing services of the
East India Company's Army (1753-1861) and the Indian Army (1861-1940)
Cadet Papers (1789-1860) and Cadet Registers (1775-1860)
FILE - Cadet Papers - ref. IOR/L/MIL/9/128 - date: 1815-1817
item: Clibborn, Thomas - ref. IOR/L/MIL/9/128/298-301 [n.d.]
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British Library, India Office Records: Military Department Records
[IOR/L/MIL/10/085 - IOR/L/MIL/10/094] [1708-1957] 1 hit(s)
Records of the Military Department
Bengal Army
Bengal Services
FILE - Bengal Officers' Services - ref. IOR/L/MIL/10/89 - date: 1878-1879
item: Clibborn, John Bengal Staff Corps - ref. IOR/L/MIL/10/89 ff.100-01
[n.d.]
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British Library, India Office Records: Military Department Records
[IOR/L/MIL/12/067 - IOR/L/MIL/12/075] [1708-1957] 1 hit(s)
Records of the Military Department
Bombay Army
Bombay Service Army Lists
Bombay Service Army Lists
FILE - Bombay Service Army List - ref. IOR/L/MIL/12/68 - date: 1770-1852
item: Clibborn, Thomas 1st NI d 1844 - ref. IOR/L/MIL/12/68/157 [n.d.]
____________________________________________________________________________
Royal Geographical Society: Correspondence Collection
[RGS/CB1 - RGS/CB3] [1798-1981] 2 hit(s)
Correspondence
RGS CORRESPONDENCE
FILE [no title] - ref. RGS/CB2/125 - date: 1838
[from Scope and Content] Clibborn E. Oct 15 1838 On hand inscriptions.
(SEE ALSO Clibborn's Jour. Mss.Misc. 1837,on same subject)
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Royal Geographical Society: RGS Journal Manuscripts Collection
[JMS/9/1 - JMS/21/121] [1607-1997] 1 hit(s)
Journal Mss Miscellaneous
FILE [no title] - ref. JMS/21/4 - date: 1837
[from Scope and Content] Clibborn Edward
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There is a site giving detail of the 1901 Census situation at
http://www.1901census.co.uk/.
It contains the following statement by the PRO on the situation.
1901 Census Shut Down
IN AN embarrassing U-turn, the Public Record Office has admitted that the
1901
Census site has been closed down because it was not capable of meeting demand.
And it is believed that British Telecom advised the PRO and its partners in
the venture that if they did not shut down, the entire British telephone
network could
be paralysed.
The site was designed to handle up to a million visitors a day, spread
throughout
each 24-hour period. But when it was officially thrown open in a welter of
publicity on January 2, it was deluged with up to 1.2 million users each
trying to search simultaneously - up to 40 times capacity.
The overload meant that very few of the genealogists trying to research their
family trees actually managed to complete a search of the census.
Online access has now been restricted to a handful of terminals at the Family
Records Centre, which cannot be pre-booked, and which researchers can use
for a maximum of one hour at a time.
The site has been shut off to the rest of the world while Qinetiq and the
PRO's
other partners attempt to find a way to provide enough capacity to meet
demand.
An official statement, posted on the PRO's home page at 11.35 am on January
8,
reads:
"The site remains unable to meet continuing levels of demand. The PRO has
agreed
with Qinetiq's technical team to close Internet access to the site for one
week
for enhancements to take place. Meanwhile the normal 1901 Census microform
services continue to be available at the PRO Kew and local record offices
and public
libraries across the country.
"The 1901 On-Line service is available at the Family Records Centre. Access
is
limited to one hour per user by ticket. Tickets are available on a first come
first served basis at the FRC and no advance bookings can be taken. For
further information regarding the FRC service please telephone 020-8392-5300."
Microfiche copies of the census do not provide access to the surname index
which
would have been available online.
We'll keep you updated on the PRO's progress in getting the site back up,
and see
if they can manage it withing the seven days promised.
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______
CLIBBORN researchers may be interested to read this correspondence on the
subject
of the Quaker Act 1662, the Conventicle Act 1664, the Five Mile Act 1665,
and the Second Conventicle Act 1670.
A Google search using Conventicle Act will produce a lot more information
about
the difficulties that some of our ancestors experienced.
Best wishes, Ron in Hong Kong, China
____________________________________________________________________________
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CORNISH-GEN-D Digest V02 #11____X-Message: #3
Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2002 18:03
From: "Rick Parsons" <rickparsons(a)blueyonder.co.uk>
To: CORNISH-GEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: 1696 Association Oath Rolls
I have been spending this weekend transcribing and posting online some
extracts from the "Sufferings of the Quakers 1655-86" (a little earlier than
the Association Oath) and have come to realise what a complicated period of
history this is. [follow "Quaker Records" from the website below to find two
pages done so far - very hard work]
For instance - in the earlier (commonwealth) section we have parish priests
and their wardens and lay impropriators sending the Friends to the fiercely
parliamentarian Justice (Peter Ceeley) for refusing to pay tithes. Now there
is Angels dealing with Devils whichever way you look at it.
Later in the Charles II period you get the Friends being tried under laws
designed to suppress Catholicism when the King himself was (secretly) a
Catholic.
When they appeared before Judge Jeffreys, he bent over backwards to let them
off and took their petition to the King - unfortunately the King died before
anything was done about it.
If we are to understand our ancestors from this period then we need to study
the history of the period in some depth because, unlike at other times, the
history of kings and ministers really did affect the lives of the common
people, especially if they cam up against authority at all.
p.s. Does any legal bod out there know what "praemunired" means?
Cheers,
Rick Parsons
OPC: St. Ives & Towednack
R E N O W D E N One Name Study
West Penwith Resources http://west-penwith.cornwall.eu.org/
EMail: mailto:rick.parsons@bigfoot.com
Web Site: http://www.parsons1998.freeserve.co.uk/
Mail: 18, Brighton Road, Redland, Bristol BS6 6NT, England.
Tel: +(44) 117 974 1288
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As Rick say, The Quaker issue in the period 1655-86 is a most interesting
subject.
It seems that the sentence of Praemunire involves imprisonment for not
swearing
an oath of allegiance to the King during the period [1662-1665]
"A praemunired person" is one who has incurred the penalty of being put out
of
the protection of the crown, of having his lands, goods and chattels
forfeited
to the crown and of remaining in prison during the sovereign's pleasure.
Most of the Quakers who suffered in prison during the reign of Charles were
imprisoned for refusing to take the oath.
Conventicle Act
This was an act passed in 1662, "for preventing mischiefs and dangers that
may
arise by certain persons called Quakers, and others refusing to take oaths."
The act declared it "altogether unlawful and contrary to the word of God" to
refuse to take an oath, or to persuade another person to refuse to do so.
It further made it an offense for more than five persons, "commonly called
Quakers," "to assemble in any place under pretense of joining in a religious
worship not authorized by the laws of this realm."
[In 1670 the so-called Conventicle Act, originally passed in 1664, was
renewed
with increased vigor. The Act limited religious gatherings, other than
those of
the Established Church, to five persons, and brought all who refused to
take an
oath under the penalties of the Act. ]
1664-1729 AD
1664: THE CONVENTICLE ACT
www.britannia.com/celtic/wales/timeline/tl07.html
The Conventicle Act prohibited groups of more than five persons from
assembling
for religious worship other than that prescribed by the Established Church.
It had the effect of furthering emigration to North America, where Welshmen
became prominent in municipal government and the universities (both of which
had been excluded by the Conventicle Act even after the passing of the
so-called Toleration Act of 1689).
1660 was the year that the English not only restored their monarchy, but also
restored the old Church of England to power. And Parliament and the King
also
began enforcing the laws against the sectarians more harshly, as well as
instituting new, even harsher laws -- the Quaker Act 1662, the Conventicle Act
1664, the Five Mile Act 1665, and the Second Conventicle Act 1670.
http://www.strecorsoc.org/docs/mbrshp3.html
It was the Conventicle Act that first made religious activities more
difficult.
Here perhaps one needs to explain what the Conventicle Act was. As the
Nordic encyclopedia says, "The Conventicle Act was written by the
leadership of the
Nordic churches as a way to obstruct the growth of the separatistic movements
that could have destroyed the Lutheran unity of the respective countries."
Conventicle means edifying meeting without leadership from the pastor.
In Sweden the Conventicle Act of 1726 forbade all revival meetings, which
were popular, and were, for the most part, pietistic. In Denmark/Norway
private meetings were illegal from 1741. Those who broke the law were fined
and sent to prison. The Conventicle Act stood as law until far into the
19th century.
In Norway it was overturned in 1842.
www.augsburg.edu/now/archives/fall_1997/word.html
For more on this subject see this extract from the Life of George Fox at :
http://www.ccel.org/f/fox_g/autobio/htm/xx.htm
and A short history of the concept of membership among Friends #3
by Marshall Massey at:
http://www.strecorsoc.org/docs/mbrshp3.html
Best wishes,
Ron in Hong Kong, China
[With Quaker ancestors from the Irish CLIBBORN family]
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1901 Census - update
Another item from the Cornish GEN list.
As of 16:30 GMT 4th January BT 'pulled the plug' on its server as it was
causing major problems with some of their other server farms. It appears
the 1901 site received 34 million hits on Jan 3rd which was well over their
anticipated target and the server went into overload. By lunchtime the
server was on target for receiving even more and BT felt it had no choice
but to stop the service for now. At the moment they are trying to get it
back online but had no information as to when or for how long.
Other than that the only other information is that QinetiQ and the PRO dont
anticipate demand dropping for the next two weeks. They suggested that
people have a go at logging on every couple of days but not to expect
anything fantastic for quite a while.
Incidentally the helpdesk is run by QinetiQ not the PRO. They have no
control over the contents of the PRO website but can only pass on comments.
____________________________________________________________________________
An article on the front page of the UK Times on Thursday 3rd Jan, said that a
record 20 million (unique) people had tried to access the site on the first
day! Apparently they are trying to get more servers in place but in the
meantime people will have to be patient. Only about 1 million of those 20
million people were able to complete their search.
_____________________________________________________________________________
Hello again CLIBBORN researchers,
As Celia has kindly informed us,
the URL for the 1901 census is:
www.census.pro.gov.uk
However there are considerable problems at present
due to the enormous demand.
I Suggest we wait a few weeks before trying it,
after all the dead aren't going anywhere!
Here is another useful tip from the Cornish General List.
Best wishes, Ron
CORNISH-GEN-D Digest V02 #3____X-Message: #4
Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2002 14:24
From: "Hugh Wallis" <hugh(a)our-own-home.com>
To: CORNISH-GEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CON-GEN] Sharing a neat 1901 census trick
to reduce the likelihood of abject poverty
I just figured out this neat trick to help you figure out which family is
yours from the 1901 census (if you can ever get your search to complete!)
before you actually risk life, limb and your children's school lunch money
and order the image files.
I searched for my Philip PETTITT family, first by finding the one person I
was certain of - the father - since I knew his birth place and date.
I found him in Bristol so I searched for every PETTITT in Bristol and came
up with what was obviously more than one family.
I then noticed that, if you hover your mouse over the icon that takes you
down the slippery slope into abject poverty (a.k.a getting the census page
image), in Internet Exploder it displays a message like "Shortcut to
ChargeableServlet?rType=image&pageType=PAGE&pageId=847185" in the status bar
at the bottom left of the IE window. I speculate that the number after
pageId is the identifier for the actual image to be retrieved. So, hovering
over all the buttons in turn you can see which ones have the same pageId and
thus are the same family. In my case there were clearly 4 distinct PETTITT
families in Bristol and I was able to separate them out easily.
It's not 100% of course - you don't get other people at the same address for
example, however you can see if your family is on one page or two (I imagine
that the pages are going to have sequential pageIDs)
Hope this helps someone
Cheers, Hugh Wallis
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I found this interesting description of William Cooper Clibborn's wedding at
http://www.offalyhistory.com/robert_goodbody_clara.htm
Memoirs of Robert Goodbody, 1781-1860
In the spring of 1794 there was two weddings at my father’s house. The first was Lucy Wyly a beautiful young woman, 1st cousin of my mother, to Joseph Malone, an ordinary pock-marked man. She died a few years after. She got acquainted with him at Clonmel. She left children after her, but it turned out a foolish match.
The other was the marriage of Cooper Clibborn to Alice Simmons. There was a very large wedding company. Sally Cooper, his Aunt, acted as a mother to him, and James Clibborn then a very handsome man acted as his father. James Clibborn was then a minister in good esteem, and a very plain dressed friend, which he never departed from afterwards. My grandmother acted as Alice Simmons’ mother and perhaps my uncle Joshua Pim as father, but I am not certain whether he was there or not. Sally Clibborn afterwards Metcalf, was then a most beautiful young woman and I presume it was there Francis Metcalf first got acquainted with her. They were married the next year. There was great grief the morning after when Alice Simmons was leaving us with the whole family. She was of a most amiable disposition. I sometimes think what a job there must have been to get up a large dinner in two rooms, and also a large supper. The tea was taken in a room upstairs, or rather two rooms, both which !
ar!
e still standing, the bedstead being taken down and it converted into what is called a drawing room, but how such a thing would now appear. But still everything was of the best, both of eating and drinking, and also variety of dishes, but at that day the sweets, some of them, were laid on the table with the meat.
Celia