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Hello again Cousins and fellow CLIBBORN researchers,
My apologies for omitting a Subject Title in my last message.
It should have been:
Family Trees on the Internet
The Good, The Bad and The Ugly
Sorry about that oversight, I will endeavour to do better in the future!
Best wishes, Ron in Hong Kong, China.
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To Browse the CLIBBORN List messages on Rootsweb go to this URL:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/clibborn
To see photographs of the CLIBBORN family visit the CLIBBORN community
photo albums at:
http://communities.msn.com/ClibbornFamily
or
http://communities.msn.com/ClibbornFamily/_whatsnew.msnw
Scroll down on your browser to view the photographs on the right hand side.
See the list of family photo albums below the photos on the right hand side.
Click on any photo to see an enlargement.
For James Clibborn and written details of the family go to:
http://communities.msn.com/ClibbornFamily&naventryid=106
>From this URL you can get to the others by clicking on
the names in the column on the left.
For Arthur Sydney Clibborn - later Booth-Clibborn go to:
http://communities.msn.com/ClibbornFamily&naventryid=107
For Percy James Clibborn go to:
http://communities.msn.com/ClibbornFamily&naventryid=108
or
http://communities.msn.com/ClibbornFamily/percyclibborn.msnw
To view Celia's excellent CLIBBORN family Tree go to the following URL:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=Clibborn&I11.x=31&I11...
Just highlight, Copy and paste to your Browser and click return.
You must enter a CLIBBORN or related name to see the List.
Acknowledgements: Thanks must go to all who have made contributions to this
List and to the CLIBBORN Community web-site on MSN. You know who you are and
I will not list all your names here for fear of missing someone out but I do
wish to give special thanks to Bill in his 80th year and his great grandson
Brett for sharing all his valuable family photographs and to Eleanor in the
Andes who is posting them on the CLIBBORN Community web-site.
Footnote:
Eleanor and her family experienced a frightening earthquake at 5.9 on the
Richter scale at about midnight on Friday night [Colombian time] 21-9-2001.
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Hello Cousins and fellow CLIBBORN researchers,
There has been some serious debate recently on a Cornish List that I subscribe
to about the inclusion of details of Living person's on Internet Family Trees.
I now take the opportunity to share the following very useful article which
will help us all to understand the issues involved.
>From the experience on the Cornish list it is apparent that there are those who
will publish everything they can get hold of on the living as well as the dead,
and with or without permission, acknowledgement or evidence.
It is important that we are all aware of each other's views on this list, so as
to avoid any unpleasant exchanges in the future.
I am in favour of the protocol outlined below that has come to be accepted
among
all serious family genealogists.
It follows therefore that whilst many of us are happy to share personal details
of the living as a way of getting to know each other, as a matter of courtesy
these details should not be published for the world to see without the
express permission of each one of the persons named, and as a general rule
details of
the living should be omitted.
It would be helpful to all our subscribers if List members shared their views
on this subject. If you have come across any other articles on this topic that
we may all share and benefit from, then please let us have them.
This article recently appeared in Ancestry Weekly Digest, and acknowledgements
must therefore go to that Digest and to the author Juliana Smith.
Best wishes, Ron in Hong Kong, China
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Sharing Data: The Good, The Bad, and The Ugly
Juliana Smith
One of the biggest contributions the Internet has made to family history is
the ability to connect quickly with distant cousins and easily exchange
family data. While this can be a very good thing, it can also sometimes be
bad, and occasionally it gets downright ugly. So how do we protect ourselves
from the bad and the ugly and still benefit from the good?
The Good
The good is fairly obvious. Connecting and sharing with others can help us
uncover new information and explore clues in collateral lines, and keep us
from retracing lines that have already been researched. You never know what
information or stories others know, or what documents, correspondence, or
heirlooms they may know about or have in their possession, that can enrich
your family history. The information you receive can be as detailed as a
fully documented genealogy or as simple as a clue found on an engraved
heirloom.
Family history also has a way of bringing us back to a common ground that we
can share. Back in the "old days," cousins were part of the all-important
family unit, but now families tend to drift apart. Connecting with cousins
can reunite families that my have drifted apart, and in many cases these new
relationships can greatly enrich our lives.
The Bad
The first thing that comes to mind when we think about "the bad" is bad
information. When someone shares new information with you, it is important
to check original sources yourself before incorporating that information
into your carefully documented work. Wrong leads can send you off on wild
goose chases and waste valuable research time and money. Any undocumented
information you receive should be taken with the same skepticism as any
family story. It can be used as a guidepost, but should be proven first. By
applying sound research practices in cases of shared information, this
aspect of "the bad" is really not so bad.
In with the bad, we may find those who I have occasionally seen referred to
as the "gimmee all you gots." These people will press you to send everything
you have on your family, but when asked to reciprocate, they seem to clam up
or vanish. On the surface, they may seem selfish, but there may be valid
reasons for this. It may be that after looking at what you have sent, they
have determined that you are not related at all, and if so, you haven't
really lost anything. Another possibility is that they don't have anything
to add, or maybe they don't realize the significance of what they do have.
In these cases, some gentle reassurance that every little clue is important
may get them to open up. Or it could be that something has happened to them
that is prohibiting them from spending the time they would like to on their
research. If this happens, we have no choice but to be patient and hope that
eventually they will be able to return to it and resume contact with us.
There may also be times when you contact someone to whom you believe you
are related, but who might not be willing to share information with you.
If they don't know you, in this day and age, this is quite reasonable.
When contacting someone out of the blue, your message should tell how you
are related and that you are looking for clues to further research on your
shared ancestry. You can also break the ice by including any additional
information you have regarding your common ancestor(s) or even a photograph
of the ancestor, if one is available.
If you are planning to submit your family data to a Web site or collection
in an effort to connect with others, think about where you submit it.
Read the fine print and know the terms of your submission. Will you be allowed
to retain the rights to your data? Can you update the files quickly and easily
if new information comes to light?
The Ugly
When you share information with strangers, it is of the utmost importance to
protect the "live branches" of your family tree. Although proper netiquette
(and common sense) would dictate that before submitting or posting someone
else's information anywhere, prior permission is asked and granted, this
does not always happen. If you are going to send someone your GEDCOM, it is
best to be prepared in case it is submitted to a GEDCOM collection, posted
on a Web site, or otherwise published without your permission. Protect all
living individuals by removing all references to them from your files.
Most current genealogical software programs come with the ability to
privatize information on living individuals. Check the help function on your
software to
find out exactly how to do this. If your software is not equipped with this
function, there are several programs available that can "clean" your files for
you. Once you have cleaned the file, check it over before you send it on to
make sure it worked and that all references to living individuals have indeed
been removed. You might even want to e-mail it to yourself or post it on a
secure site before sending it on.
Conversely, if you are planning on submitting information you have received
from others, even if you are footnoting the source, you should make sure
that you have obtained permission first and that you have again omitted
all information on living persons.
Disputes over the rights to shared information can get extremely ugly.
In an effort to avoid this, when you are planning on sharing information
with anyone, discuss your expectations beforehand. If you don't want your
information submitted or posted anywhere, make it clear upfront.
If you are selective about where you want your data submitted or posted,
let others know that as well. By laying your cards on the table and being
forthright, you will often find that others will respect your wishes and
that an amicable agreement can be reached before things get ugly.
In the End
In the end, you can see that if common sense is used and proper precautions
observed, the good will far outweigh the bad. Online connections can turn
into life-long friends, and the camaraderie that comes from working together
toward preserving your family's history can bring years of joy to all involved.
_______________________________________________________________________________
To Browse the CLIBBORN List messages on Rootsweb go to this URL:
http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/index/clibborn
To see photographs of the CLIBBORN family visit the CLIBBORN community
photo albums at:
http://communities.msn.com/ClibbornFamily
or
http://communities.msn.com/ClibbornFamily/_whatsnew.msnw
Scroll down on your browser to view the photographs on the right hand side.
See the list of family photo albums below the photos on the right hand side.
Click on any photo to see an enlargement.
For James Clibborn and written details of the family go to:
http://communities.msn.com/ClibbornFamily&naventryid=106
>From this URL you can get to the others by clicking on
the names in the column on the left.
For Arthur Sydney Clibborn - later Booth-Clibborn go to:
http://communities.msn.com/ClibbornFamily&naventryid=107
For Percy James Clibborn go to:
http://communities.msn.com/ClibbornFamily&naventryid=108
or
http://communities.msn.com/ClibbornFamily/percyclibborn.msnw
To view Celia's excellent CLIBBORN family Tree go to the following URL:
http://worldconnect.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?db=Clibborn&I11.x=31&I11...
Just highlight, Copy and paste to your Browser and click return.
You must enter a CLIBBORN or related name to see the List.
Acknowledgements: Thanks must go to all who have made contributions to this
List and to the CLIBBORN Community web-site on MSN. You know who you are and
I will not list all your names here for fear of missing someone out but I do
wish to give special thanks to Bill in his 80th year and his great grandson
Brett for sharing all his valuable family photographs and to Eleanor in the
Andes who is posting them on the CLIBBORN Community web-site.
Footnote:
Eleanor and her family experienced a frightening earthquake at 5.9 on the
Richter scale at about midnight on Friday night [Colombian time] 21-9-2001.
______________________________________________________________________________
Hello All CLIBBORN family researchers and friends
Useful Websites for Family Researchers:
This GENDOCS site is very useful for occupations:
RANKS, PROFESSIONS, OCCUPATIONS AND TRADES
http://www.gendocs.demon.co.uk/trades.html#T
Best wishes Ron in Hong Kong, China
I photocopied the following certificated from BC Civil Registration:
1. Alfred Ernest Clibborn died 7-Apr-1937
Place of death: Sannich (near Victoria), 1020 Tattersall Drive
Length of stay a) in municipality 8 years
b) in province 27 years
c) in Canada 27 years
Residence: 1020 Tattersall Dr., Saanich, BC
Sex: Male
Nationality: Canadian
Racial origin: Irish
Marital status: Married
Birth place: Ireland
Date of Birth: Jan. 19th, 1852
Age: 85 years 2 months 19 days
Profession: Mgr. Hemp Factor.
Date deceased last work at occupation: 1907
Total years in occupation: 27 years
Wife's name: Sarah Ann
Father's name: James Clibborn birthplace: Ireland
Mother's name: Ann Murray birthplace: Ireland
Informant: E. Constance Goodwin, 1280 King's Road daughter
Place of burial: Colwood April 10, 1937
Undertaker: McCall Bros., Victoria BC
Medical Certificate of Death
date of death: April 7, 1937
doctor attended deceased from 12-Nov-1934 to 7 April 1937 and last saw him on 28-Mar-1937
Cause of death: Anemia
: Carcinoma of the stomach
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2. Sarah Ann Amelia Clibborn died 3-Jun-1954
Place of death: Vancouver, BC -- Bonnie Rest Home
Length of stay a) where death occurred - 9 months
b) in province - 44 years
c) in Canada - 44 years
Residence: RR 1, Lochside, Saanichton, Vancouver BC
Sex: female
Citizenship: Canadian
Racial origin: English
Marital status: widow
Birth place: England
Date of birth: June 22, 1863
Age: 90 years, 11 months, 12 days
Occupation: at home
Husband's name: Alfred Ernest Clibborn
Father's name: William Bowling born England
Mother's name: ??? Unsworth born England
Informant: E. Constance Goodwin Daughter
RR #1 Lochside, Saanichton, BC
burial: Victoria, BC
undertaker: Harron, Bros., Ltd, Vancouver
Medical certificate of death:
date of death: June 3, 1954
attended deceased from Sep 15 1953 to May 26, 1954.
Cause of death: Cerebral thrombosis
: Cerebral arterioscleroses
Other conditions: heart disease
: senility
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Marriage certificate for Eva Constance Clibborn 1-Sep-1916
Solemnized in district of Nelson [south east part of province]
bridegroom bride
name: Harold Stothert Goodwin Eva Constance Clibborn
Age: 30 27
Condition: bachelor spinster
Profession: Rancher ----
Residence: Crawford Bay Crawford Bay
Place of birth: Kidderminster, England Bentham(?), Yorkshire, England
Father's name: John Rowland Goodwin Alfred Ernest Clibborn
Mother's name: Edit Maria Bartrum Sarah Anne Amelia Bowling
Father's rank: Lieut-Colonel Rancher
Religious denomination: Church of England Society of Friends
Married at: Kootenay Bay, BC according to the rites and ceremonies of the Church of
England in Canada by License on 1st day of September, 1916 in the presence of Alfred
Ernest Clibborn (second signature too faint)
Kootenay Bay and Crawford Bay are on the east side of Kootenay Lake in south eastern
British Columbia.
Well done David, thank you for seeking out those pieces of the CLIBBORN
jig-saw puzzle. Our grandmother Ann Murray Clibborn is not mentioned as
a mourner as she had pre-deceased her brother on 1931-07-11. We have yet
to find an obituary for her. She is buried at Tunbridge Wells.
At 10:13 PM 9/4/01 -0700, you wrote:
Obit: Alfred Ernest Clibborn
and Sarah Ann Amelia Clibborn
From: The Daily Colonist (Victoria) Thursday April 8, 1937 Page 14
CLIBBORN - There passed away at his residence, 1020 Tattersal Drive,
on Wednesday afternoon, Alfred Ernest Clibborn aged eighty-five years.
The late Mr. Clibborn was born at Moate, Queen's County, Ireland and
was a resident of Yorkshire, England for a number of years, afterwards
returning to his former home. He had resided in British Columbia since
1910 and in Victoria for the last eight years. His only son, Lieut. J.B.
Clibborn, of Edmonton, Alberta was killed in the Great War.
He is mourned by his widow and one daughter, Mrs. H.S. Goodwin of this
city, and a daughter-in-law, Mrs. J.B. Clibborn of Medicine Hat, Alberta;
also two brothers, Percy in Portland, Ore., and Arthur Sydney Booth-Clibborn,
in Highfield, London, England; and two sisters, Miss Edith Clibborn in Dublin,
Ireland and Mrs. L. Schreiner of London, England.
The funeral will take place on Saturday afternoon from McCall Brothers'
Funeral Home at 2:30 o'clock. Rev. Daniel Walker will conduct the service,
after which interment will be made in Colwood Burial Park.
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From: The Vancouver Sun Friday June 4, 1954 page 34
Clibborn: Passed away June 3, 1954 at her late residence, 1966 W 14th Ave.,
Sarah Ann Amelia Clibborn, in her 91st year. Survived by 1 daughter,
Mrs. H.S. Goodwin, Saanichton, BC, 6 grandchildren, 5 gret-grandchildren,
2 sisters and 2 brothers in Australia. Funeral announcements later by
Harron Bros. Ltd.
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I plan on examining the the death certificates for the
above two and will post the results of what I find.
David Leverton
David_Leverton(a)telus.net
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From: The Daily Colonist (Victoria) Thursday April 8, 1937 Page 14
CLIBBORN - There passed away at his residence, 1020 Tattersal Drive, on Wednesday
afternoon, Alfred Ernest Clibborn aged eighty-five years. The late Mr. Clibborn was born
at Moate, Queen's County, Ireland and was a resident of Yorkshire, England for a number of
years, afterwards returning to his former home. He had resided in British Columbia since
1910 and in Victoria for the last eight years. His only son, Lieut. J.B. Clibborn, of
Edmonton, Alberta was killed in the Great War. He is mourned by his widow and one
daughter, Mrs. H.S. Goodwin of this city, and a daughter-in-law, Mrs. J.B. Clibborn of
Medicine Hat, Alberta; also two brothers, Percy in Portland, Ore., and Arthur Sydney
Booth-Clibborn, in Highfield, London, England; and two sisters, Miss Edith Clibborn in
Dublin, Ireland and Mrs. L. Schreiner of London, England.
The funeral will take place on Saturday afternoon from McCall Brothers' Funeral Home at
2:30 o'clock. Rev. Daniel Walker will conduct the service, after which interment will be
made in Colwood Burial Park.
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From: The Vancouver Sun Friday June 4, 1954 page 34
Clibborn: Passed away June 3, 1954 at her late residence, 1966 W 14th Ave., Sarah Ann
Amelia Clibborn, in her 91st year. Survived by 1 daughter, Mrs. H.S. Goodwin, Saanichton,
BC, 6 grandchildren, 5 gret-grandchildren, 2 sisters and 2 brothers in Australia. Funeral
announcements later by Harron Bros. Ltd.
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I plan on examining the the death certificates for the above two and will post the results
of what I find.
David Leverton
David_Leverton(a)telus.net