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Welcome LL Lanza,
Spend time in the Archives - good recent msgs:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/c/cleverly.html
Barry
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From: <Lllanza(a)aol.com>
To: <CLEVERLY-L-request(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2003 7:15 PM
Subject: subscribe
> subscribe
>
Hi Vynette,
Remember this msg from 1999? I just finished reviewing many Carruthers Archives msgs - there are some great ones there. You may have seen them all - from what you say, you probably have, and you have been a steady researcher for yrs, but just searching in the Carruthers Archives for the last 5 yrs on the 'word' (term) '1798' brings up about 20 msgs, including a number of them referencing GA, some referencing Rocksolannah, and other interesting terms & references, etc. In fact, there were so many good ones, I saved to my hard drive abt 15 of them to enable a search on them all at once, instead of by the yr in the Archives. And in the event someone might need a jump start on researching various Carruthers, perhps even Rocksolannah, I would have a good database to get such a project started.
You mention the lack of evidence that there were Carruthers in PA. Christine did uncover solid evidence of Carruthers in MA,all of which led to the Jonathan Bangs/ John Carruthers/ Content /Abiah discussion. We have had some rather significant talent looking at the info, including Martha Marble, Francis Hodges, the Bangs researchers, Judy Cole, Maureen, Anne Gault; Glen Carruthers, Deborah, our own researchers Christine, Jean, Betty, Vam, Bitsy, Harold Smith, and I know I've forgotten others.
BTW, I have posted some quite extensive Carruthers msgs in just the last few days, including Carruthers results from that great new UK database. Remember, what I posted was good, but for the full span of info for each Carruthers listed, you must pay about 10 to 25 cents, see the msgs. The Federation of Family History Societies' Web site may be found at:
http://www.FamilyHistoryOnline.net.
Best of luck, and thanks for sharing!
Best,
Barry
PS: See more at the bottom, including interesting msgs from Carruthers desc Francis Hodges & others with excellent factual info.
(bw 10/22/03)
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 18:39:44 -0500
From: Barry Wetherington <cbarry(a)earthlink.net>
To: CARRUTHERS-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [Fwd: John Carruthers Will/Witherington Wills]
Hi again Vynette,
Thanks for your Line. This is our Carruthers Line. We have a Wm C b abt
1730 and a James C b abt 1696; otherwise, it looks like there should be, but
none apparent, a connect.
I am forwarding this on to the List and to David Glen Carruthers with whom
I previously communicated and who has an extensive Carruthers database, some of
which you can see at:
http://tor-pw1.netcom.ca/~gcarruth/adult.html
David Glen Carruthers <gcarruth(a)netcom.ca>
Residence: Apt. #605 600 John St N Hamilton
Province: Ontario
Country: Canada
Postal Code: L8L 4S3
Home Phone: (905) 819-4105
Perhaps this matches up with his Line(s). Let me know because there is
still much potential overlap.
Barry Wetherington
____________________________
Generation No. 1
1. NATHANIEL1 CARRUTHERS was born Abt. 1675, and died Abt. June 1745 in
Perquimans Co, NC. He married <UNNAMED>.
More About NATHANIEL CARRUTHERS:
Will: 22 June, 1745, Will
Children of NATHANIEL CARRUTHERS and are:
i. JAMES2 CARRUTHERS, b. Abt. 1696.
ii. JACOB CARRUTHERS, b. Abt. 1698.
2. iii. JOHN CARRUTHERS, b. Abt. 1700, Craven Co, NC; d. 1752, Craven Co, NC.
Generation No. 2
2. JOHN2 CARRUTHERS (NATHANIEL1) was born Abt. 1700 in Craven Co, NC, and died
1752 in Craven Co, NC. He married CONTENT in New Bern, NC.
More About JOHN CARRUTHERS:
Residence: moved to Darlington, SC
Will: 20 September, 1751, will written
Children of JOHN CARRUTHERS and CONTENT are:
3. i. ROCKSOLANAH3 CARRUTHERS, b. Abt. 1720.
ii. JOHN CARRUTHERS, JR, b. Abt. 1722; d. Aft. 1762.
More About JOHN CARRUTHERS, JR:
source: 10 April, 1745, 100 A craven
Will: 25 March, 1762, exec will of Vinyard Bond, Beauforf, NC
iii. JOSEPH CARRUTHERS, b. Abt. 1724; d. 1752; m. <UNNAMED>.
More About JOSEPH CARRUTHERS:
Deed: 07 March, 1756, 200 acres and 100 acres
4. iv. SARAH CARRUTHERS, b. Abt. 1728.
5. v. WILLIAM CARRUTHERS, b. Abt. 1730; d. Aft. 1752.
vi. FRANCES CARRUTHERS, b. Abt. 1732, NC?; m. FRANCIS HODGES.
More About FRANCES CARRUTHERS:
Name (Facts Page): Francis Hodges
Generation No. 3
3. ROCKSOLANAH3 CARRUTHERS (JOHN2, NATHANIEL1) was born Abt. 1720. She married
(1) JOHN MARTIN. She married (2) JOHN WITHERINGTON Aft. 1739, son of ROBERT
WITHERINGTON and .
More About ROCKSOLANAH CARRUTHERS:
Deed: 20 March, 1737/38, Wm brother gave 200 ac to Rockolanah-widw
source: John A Clark Collection
More About JOHN WITHERINGTON:
Deed: 1739, deed frm John Carruthers 75 A (wit Solomon)
Residence: 1742, in Craven Co, NC
source: John A Clark Collection
Children of ROCKSOLANAH CARRUTHERS and JOHN WITHERINGTON are:
i. WILLIAM4 WITHERINGTON, SR, b. 10 February, 1740/41, Craven Co, NC,
Darlington, SC? #292; d. 02 September, 1819, Tattnall Co, GA; m. (2) ELIZABETH
LEWIS, Abt. 1764.
More About WILLIAM WITHERINGTON, SR:
Census: 1790, New Bern, Dobbs Co census 1m o/16, 2 u, 3 ft
Deed: Bet. 1777 - 1779, William to Thomas Bond - Book X
Residence: 1809, moved to East Fellicians, LA
source: 16 July, 1759, born per John Clark Collection (Wm, Jr?)
Taxes: 1780, Dobbs Co Tax list - (Widon) 21, 40
War: Roster of NC Militia Am Rev New Bern p 587
More About ELIZABETH LEWIS:
Census: 1840, Richmond Co, GA census
source: 03 September, prayer book has 17?1 as birth (1781?)
ii. CLE(A)VERLY WITHERINGTON, b. Abt. 1743, Dobbs Co?? NC #1275; m. MENAH,
Bef. 1763.
More About CLE(A)VERLY WITHERINGTON:
Census: 1790, Dobbs Co, NC census
source: Elizabeth Moore Collection
Taxes: 1780, Dobbs Co tax list 20, 40
War: NC Militia, New Bern pg 408(Roster Am Rev)
iii. ROBERT WITHERINGTON, b. Bet. 1745 - 1755, NC? #1276; m. ESTHER.
More About ROBERT WITHERINGTON:
Census: 1800, Pitt Co Census
Deed: Bet. 1784 - 1789, Elizah Johnston to Robert Worthington-Bk XIII
Land grant: 1837, Georgia's Gold Lottery- Dist 19, Sec 2 Lot 1280
Misc: Is this Robt in Dobbs Co?
source: Elizabeth Moore Collection
Taxes: 1780, Dobbs Co Tax List - 20, 40
4. SARAH3 CARRUTHERS (JOHN2, NATHANIEL1) was born Abt. 1728. She married (1)
BENJAMIN? RICE. She married (2) VINYARD BOND Bef. 1749, son of BOND and .
More About SARAH CARRUTHERS:
Deed: 1765, sold lot in New Bern to Matthew Arthur
source: Mrs Bond
More About BENJAMIN? RICE:
Land: Bet. 1780 - 1789
Children of SARAH CARRUTHERS and VINYARD BOND are:
i. SARAH4 BOND, b. Abt. 1745.
ii. SWEETING BOND, b. Bef. 1750.
5. WILLIAM3 CARRUTHERS (JOHN2, NATHANIEL1) was born Abt. 1730, and died Aft.
1752.
More About WILLIAM CARRUTHERS:
Deed: Early NC records Vol VII
Will: 27 March, 1752, wit will of Sarah Bond, Craven Co, NC
Child of WILLIAM CARRUTHERS is:
i. SARAH4 CARRUTHERS, b. Abt. 1740.
____________________________
vynette sage wrote:
> Hi Barry,
> My apologies. The information on the Craven Co. Will of Eunice Carruthers
> came from FHC microfilm #0018618, pg 139. I think the marriage info was on
> the same microfilm. I don't mind the information being shared, or posted,
> anywhere. Personally, I'm grateful for similar information I find that
> others have taken the time to share.
>
> I don't know if this Carruthers information from Craven Co., North Carolina
> will tie into my Caruthers research. I certainly believe that it will. My
> interest is in Samuel Car(r)uthers who was born in 1798 in Burke Co.
> Georgia. He supposedly married Mary Jane Phillips in 1826. Their oldest
> son, Augustus Lafayette Caruthers, was my great grandfather (born March 6,
> 1829). He lived in Sumpter Co., Florida, killed a man in a saloon fight in
> abt 1878, and made a quick, unexpected, permanent move to west Texas--out
> of the reach of the long arm of the law. The family was actually quite
> respectable.
>
> Samuel Caruthers who was born in 1798 in Burke Co., Georgia was possibly
> the son of William and Nancy Caruthers. His brothers were possibly James
> (born abt 1800) and William Brinson (born 1808).
>
> I believe, but cannot prove, that the Carruthers family that resided in
> Pennsylvania in colonial times, drifted into the southern states and that
> the southern branches of the Carruthers families in America are directly
> connected to them---all from around Annandale, Scotland.
>
> I'm always pleased to find another researcher interested in some of the
> same people as I. I will happily share any, and all, information, with any
> interested. I'll keep in touch.
>
> Vynette in Arizona
>
> Here is my Caruthers genealogical line:
>
> William Caruthers, born about 1777, of Burke Co., Georgia
> Samuel Caruthers, born 1798 Burke Co., Georgia, died Florida
> Augustus Lafayette Caruthers, born 1829 Burke Co., Georgia, died 1897
> Coleman Co., Texas
> Annie Eliza Caruthers Glasscock, born 1877 Florida, died 1955 Arizona
> Olema May Glasscock Foster, born 1901 Texas, died 1979 California
> Florence Foster Sherman, born Arizona, died Arizona
> me.
>
> ----------
> > From: Barry Wetherington <cbarry(a)earthlink.net>
> > To: vynette sage <vmsage(a)netzone.com>
> > Cc: carruthers-L(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: [Fwd: John Carruthers Will/Witherington Wills]
> > Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 1:44 PM
> >
> > Hi and Thanks Vynette Sage,
> > I hope you don't mind my forwarding this to the Carruthers List.
> > Someone might want this desperately, and surely will at some point in
> > the future. I will check my own NC Carruthers, about which I have been
> > in quiescence for some period. I will try to put this on the
> > Carruthers-L Wills site.
> > Are you researching Carruthers (dumb ques - why would you have this
> > stuff otherwise?). Where did this come from? Sounds like LDS research.
> > If someone wanted to follow up, where would you suggest?
> > Thanks for the input - I hate to grill someone who has just offered
> > some potentially great info - a negative motivation for further input.
> > Again, Thanks.
> > Barry Wetherington Farmington Hills MI
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Vynette Sage" <silversage(a)cybertrails.com>
To: <CARRUTHERS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2003 6:43 PM
Subject: [Carruthers] Samuel Caruthers, born in Georgia
> I have been a member of the Carruthers genforum since 1999. Barry, I have
> followed your recent email to check the Carruthers archives. Now, I would
> like to ask the list members if they have any information on:
>
> Samuel Caruthers, born 1798 in Georgia, lived in Orange Co, Florida
> Wife: Mary Anne Phillips
> Children: Augustus, Elbert, Jefferson, Iverson, Littleton, Mary Ann and
> Joseph Phillip
>
> To my knowledge at the children stayed in Florida, with the exception of my
> gg grandfather, Augustus, who moved to Coleman Co, TX.
> Does anyone have any information on the parents or siblings of Samuel
> Caruthers, born in Georgia in 1798 and died in Florida?
>
> Is anyone researching this line? I do have the Augustus Caruthers family
> bible and good information on Augustus' family and also fairly good
> information on the other children of Samuel and Mary Anne....
>
> Vynette Sage
> Arizona
>
>
>
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interesting msg from Carruthers desc Francis Hodges: (bw 10/22/03)
From: Francis Hodges <frhodges42(a)yahoo.com>
To: cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject: Bangs/Carruthers families
Date: Sat, 23 Feb 2002 09:53:36 -0800 (PST)
Hi!
We've corresponded before. I am descended from John Carruthers (d. 1752)
through the Hodges connection (I think!)
Has Content, John's wife, been definitively proved as a Bangs?
Something else which is confusing: Abiah Bangs claims she is the sister of
John Carruthers in her 1755 will.
Yet John had been dead about three years by the time that will was
written. So why is he mentioned as her brother? I am wondering if it might
not have been a John from a different generation.
Thanks!
Francis R. Hodges
(discussed further below bw)I THINK THERE WERE AT LEAST THREE JOHN CARRUTHERS IN CRAVEN IN THE MID 18TH CENTURY--OUR JOHN, HIS SON, AND POSSIBLY A NEPHEW. FH=========John Dare m. Elizabeth______, child b. 1677 in Boston, MassW'tons in the New England Historical and Gen. Register
Vol 51 p 298 have Nicholas and Joseph Withington
Vol 75 from p. 146 on is full of Edward, Esther, Robert and Samuel
Withington
Christine================And then Betty's follow on of some more familiar CD info:Bettys January 2002 PROOFS:
On Tue, 15 Jan 2002 16:30:51 EST, BNOREM(a)aol.com wrote:
Barry,
I found the following will abstracts - don't know if you have them
already, but am sending them in case you don't.
Betty Norem
Source: Family Tree Maker CD #509 - Genealogical Records: NC Wills,
1665-1900
ABSTRACT OF NORTH CAROLINA WILLS, 1690 - 1760 p. 16
BANGS, Abiah, widow of Jonathan Craven County June 3, 1755.
Cousin: Elizabeth HOBBS ("my lot in Newbern Town").
Daughter: Betty BANGS.
Sisters: Elizabeth and Mary CARRUTHERS.
Brothers: John CARRUTHERS, William CARRUTHERS.
Executors: William CARRUTHERS (brother), Robert JONES, "oturney at law."
Witnesses: William CREEKMORE, Rubin HAMMONTREE, William CARRUTHERS, Sr.
No probate.
BANGS, Jonathan Craven Co Oct 7 1743 June 15 1744 Wife Abiah
Daughter: Betty BANGS, Sister: Thankfull COVELL.
Executors: John CARRUTHERS(uncle), Abiah BANGS(wife).
Witnesses: Francis BRINKLEY, Jno. CARRUTHERS, Jo. Rd. HICKSON.
Clerk of the Court: W. ROUTLEDGE.
Coat of Arms on seal.===========================Elkanah Bangs (3/31/1732-7/1777) + (9/16/1750) Susanna Dillingham1/23/1732-4/18/1788 - d/o Jonathan & Mehitable (Gray) Dillingham
issue: #4 John Dillingham Bangs ((12/30/1758-7/6/1814)
+
Content Smith ( ___- 9/3/1837)
Hope this is the info you were interested in.
Bitsy
=======================
Subject: Info wanted - help
Date: Sun, 24 Feb 2002 17:14:26 -0800
From: "Bitsy" <bitsy(a)pe.net>
To: <BANGS-admin(a)rootsweb.com>
Hi, Does anyone have info on Capt. Elisha Bangs (shipmaster), his wife
Sarah Foster and son Elisha Dillingham Foster c. 1880? My Mother had, in her
files, an ad from New Jersey newspaper showing picture of the Capt. and
another picture of wife and child, identifying them as
above. Don't know why child would not be Bangs, unless they mean Elisha
Dillingham Foster Bangs. ?
Thanks, Bitsy
=======================Content BangsFrom : SMTomlin(a)aol.com
To : Cbarrywether(a)hotmail.com
Subject : Bangs, Roose-Carruthers etc
Date : Sun, 24 Feb 2002 18:42:42 EST
Barry, I did make it to the Lib. today, here is what I found...sort of
disorganized but I know someone in the group will make sense of it.
Craven Co, noncup. willof William ROOSE of Boston, marienr. Sept 26 1722.
Proven by richard farrell, Jane Sparrow and Samuel Bernard.
SOLOMON REW, witn. for Carruthers will....father was Southy Rew, left will
dated Jan 1754, children were Solomon Rew , Thomas, Beverlay (male), Southy
Jr., mary and euphama, wife Mary. Charles COGDELL was a witn.
RICHARD COGDELL was witn. on will of ROBERT CARRUTHERS 14 mar 1758.
According to land grants, Cogdells and lan s. side of Neus Riber 1755, by
one John CARRUTHRS ...........Paten book 15 27 Sept 1754 30 A Craven Co for
Abijah Bangs, s. side of Nuce riber, joining Joseph CARRTHERS, Green Spring
Creek, by branch that makes William's Creek."............"John Carruthers
300 a. Craven Co, N. side of Neuse riber, upper side of Stony Town Creek".
Jonathan BANGS willof 1743 had a Francis BRINKLEY as a witn....willof John
carruthers Peerquimanus Co, 2 feb 1751 has a James BRINKELY as a witn.
NEW ENGLAND HISTORICAL JOURNAL, INDEX FOR VOL 1-50:
1)WITHERINGTONS are vol. 75 and 76, whole family group, include names of
Roxanna,[ROCKSOLANNAH!? Bw] Samuel and several Roberts.
2) Abijah Bangs: Vol 10, p 55...Content Bangs vol 8 p 368
3) ananias Dare vol 4 p 37
4) CARRUTHERS Vol 5-803, 25-81, 74,85,115, 45-93
5) Carrudders, Wm vol 49-330=============
Hello again Lists, (confined this time to those Surnames with a strong likelihood of a UK connection)
Below are some representative Surnames results from the fantastic new UK database which was the subject of my email of a few hrs ago. You can get a good idea of the possibilities by looking at the results pasted below. Keep in mind that I have brought in only a few representative results - many others were avail.
These results are Free, but only give sketchy info. For each surname, if you wish the more extensive results, you must pay - the cost seemes to average 10-25 cents per surname. You can (obviously, as I did) search for the entire sample size w/ its sketchy info for free, then order just those you wish. So if you decided to sign up w/credit card for $10, you could order the full ONLINE results for about 40-100 persons/records. If any of these extended results established a record that you wanted, you can then take the next (3d) step to order a copy of the ORIGINAL record from the Custodian. This would require you to contact the Custodian and negotiate a cost for a person to copy the record and mail/fax it to you.
If any of you do decide to go forward, pls let me know how you rate the results, so we can tell others.
Barry
WIDDRINGTON (with no variants) anywhere between 1670 and 1690.
4 results found.
Result page 1 10203050 view as table or view as text
http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/index/search/basic.pl?cl=Name_indexhttp://www.familyhistoryonline.net/index/search/process.pl?sn=widdrington...
1. Ann WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1679 1 entry £0.04
2. Eliz WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1675 1 entry £0.04
3. Frances WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1686 1 entry £0.04
4. Michaell WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1680 1 entry £0.04
Result page 1 10203050 view as table or view as text
No charge has been made for this search.
A number after a forename shows that the forename is not the first in the record, the number indicates the position.
Click on the free 'found in' database link to find out more about the database containing the records.
Click on the price link to see (and be charged for) the details of the records.
===========================
WIDDRINGTON (with no variants) anywhere between 1655 and 1705.
10 results found.
Result page 1 10203050 view as table or view as text
1680 +/- 25 yrs
1. Ann WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1679 1 entry £0.04
2. Eliz WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1675 1 entry £0.04
3. Frances WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1686 1 entry £0.04
4. Margaret WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1664 1 entry £0.04
5. Martha WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1666 1 entry £0.04
6. Mathew WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1697 1 entry £0.05
7. Michaell WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1680 1 entry £0.04
8. Ralph WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1668 1 entry £0.04
9. Robert WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1696 1 entry £0.05
10. William WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1667 1 entry £0.04
========================
1655 +/- 25 yrs
WIDDRINGTON (with no variants) anywhere between 1630 and 1680.
8 results found.
Result page 1 10203050 view as table or view as text
1. Ann WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1679 1 entry £0.04
2. Eliz WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1675 1 entry £0.04
3. Margaret WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1664 1 entry £0.04
4. Martha WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1666 1 entry £0.04
5. Mary WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1650 1 entry £0.04
6. Michaell WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1680 1 entry £0.04
7. Ralph WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1668 1 entry £0.04
8. William WIDDRINGTON found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1667 1 entry £0.04
===================
DARE (with no variants) anywhere between 1555 and 1605.
6 results found.
Result page 1 10203050 view as table or view as text
1. Henry DARE found in National Burial Index (Huntingdonshire FHS) (HUN) year 1570 1 entry £0.05
2. Jane DARE found in Berkshire Marriage Index pre-1754 (BRK) year 1604 1 entry £0.05
3. John DARE found in National Burial Index (Huntingdonshire FHS) (HUN) year 1574 1 entry £0.05
4. Mary DARE found in National Burial Index (Huntingdonshire FHS) (HUN) year 1590 1 entry £0.05
5. Robert DARE found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1563 1 entry £0.05
6. Thomas DARE found in National Burial Index (Huntingdonshire FHS) (HUN) year 1583 1 entry £0.05
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DARE (with no variants) anywhere between 1530 and 1580.
3 results found.
Result page 1 10203050 view as table or view as text
1. Henry DARE found in National Burial Index (Huntingdonshire FHS) (HUN) year 1570 1 entry £0.05
2. John DARE found in National Burial Index (Huntingdonshire FHS) (HUN) year 1574 1 entry £0.05
3. Robert DARE found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1563 1 entry £0.05
=========================
DARE (with no variants) anywhere between 1575 and 1625.
5 results found.
Result page 1 10203050 view as table or view as text
1. Jane DARE found in Berkshire Marriage Index pre-1754 (BRK) year 1604 1 entry £0.05
2. John DARE found in National Burial Index (Huntingdonshire FHS) (HUN) year 1617 1 entry £0.05
3. Marie DARE found in National Burial Index (Huntingdonshire FHS) (HUN) year 1618 1 entry £0.05
4. Mary DARE found in National Burial Index (Huntingdonshire FHS) (HUN) year 1590 1 entry £0.05
5. Thomas DARE found in National Burial Index (Huntingdonshire FHS) (HUN) year 1583 1 entry £0.05
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DARE (with variants for surname only) anywhere between 1605 and 1655.
11 results found.
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1. Anastace DARE found in Sarum Marriage Licence Bonds (WIL) year 1640 1 entry £0.07
2. D2 DARE found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1632 1 entry £0.05
3. Elizabeth DARE found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1649 1 entry £0.05
4. Johannes DARE found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1644 1 entry £0.05
5. John DARE found in National Burial Index (Huntingdonshire FHS) (HUN) year 1617 1 entry £0.05
6. John4 DARE found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1632 1 entry £0.05
7. Leonard DARE found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1641 1 entry £0.05
8. Marie DARE found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1632 1 entry £0.05
9. Marie DARE found in National Burial Index (Huntingdonshire FHS) (HUN) year 1618 1 entry £0.05
10. Mary DARE found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1647 1 entry £0.05
11. Of3 DARE found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1632 1 entry £0.05
====================
CLEVERLY (with variants for surname only) anywhere between 1675 and 1725.
118 results found.
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1. Ann CLEAVELEY found in National Burial Index (Oxfordshire FHS) (OXF) year 1694 1 entry £0.04
2. William CLEAVELEY found in National Burial Index (Oxfordshire FHS) (OXF) year 1685 1 entry £0.04
3. Edward CLEAVELY found in National Burial Index (Oxfordshire FHS) (OXF) year 1700 1 entry £0.04
4. Edward CLEAVELY found in Sarum Marriage Licence Bonds (WIL) year 1697 1 entry £0.07
5. Frances CLEAVELY found in National Burial Index (Oxfordshire FHS) (OXF) year 1681 1 entry £0.04
6. Thomas CLEAVELY found in National Burial Index (Birmingham & Midland SGH) (WOR) year 1681 1 entry £0.05
7. Wife CLEAVERLEY found in National Burial Index (Oxfordshire FHS) (OXF) year 1683 1 entry £0.04
8. Daug2 CLEAVERLY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1703 1 entry £0.05
9. Elizabeth CLEAVERLY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1703 1 entry £0.05
10. Of3 CLEAVERLY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1703 1 entry £0.05
11. William4 CLEAVERLY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1703 1 entry £0.05
12. Jonathon CLEAVLEY found in National Burial Index (Huntingdonshire FHS) (HUN) year 1692 1 entry £0.05
13. Deborah CLEAVLY found in National Burial Index (Birmingham & Midland SGH) (WOR) year 1685 1 entry £0.05
14. Elizabeth CLEEVELY found in National Burial Index (Birmingham & Midland SGH) (WOR) year 1702 1 entry £0.05
15. Henry CLEEVELY found in Sarum Marriage Licence Bonds (GLS) year 1724 1 entry £0.07
16. Henry CLEEVELY found in Sarum Marriage Licence Bonds (WIL) year 1724 1 entry £0.07
17. Joan CLEEVELY found in National Burial Index (Birmingham & Midland SGH) (WOR) year 1711 1 entry £0.05
18. Joane CLEEVLY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1676 1 entry £0.05
19. John4 CLEEVLY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1676 1 entry £0.05
20. Of3 CLEEVLY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1676 1 entry £0.05
21. Wife2 CLEEVLY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1676 1 entry £0.05
22. Ann CLEVERLEY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) years 1722-1724 2 entries £0.10
23. D2 CLEVERLEY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1717 1 entry £0.05
24. Elianor CLEVERLEY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1706 1 entry £0.05
25. Elizabet CLEVERLEY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1696 1 entry £0.05
26. Elizabeth CLEVERLEY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) years 1714-1723 5 entries £0.25
27. James CLEVERLEY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1719 1 entry £0.05
28. Jane CLEVERLEY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1723 1 entry £0.05
29. John CLEVERLEY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) years 1687-1705 3 entries £0.15
30. Kathrine CLEVERLEY found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1706 1 entry £0.05
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EASTERLING (with no variants) anywhere at any time.
6 results found.
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1. Alice EASTERLING found in Berkshire Burial Index (BRK) year 1939 1 entry £0.05
2. Ambrose EASTERLING found in Suffolk Baptism Index (part 1) (SFK) year 1776 1 entry £0.04
3. Hannah EASTERLING found in Berkshire Burial Index (BRK) year 1925 1 entry £0.05
4. Maria EASTERLING found in Bromley Kent 1891 Census (KEN) year 1891 1 entry £0.09
5. Mary EASTERLING found in Bromley Kent 1891 Census (KEN) year 1891 1 entry £0.09
6. Mary2 EASTERLING found in Berkshire Burial Index (BRK) year 1939 1 entry £0.05
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CARRUTHERS (with variants for surname only) anywhere at any time.
299 results found.
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1. John CARROTHERS found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (DUR) year 1631 1 entry £0.05
2. Sarah CARROTHERS found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1930 1 entry £0.05
3. Dorothy CARRUTHER found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (DUR) year 1769 1 entry £0.05
4. Isable CARRUTHER found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (DUR) year 1766 1 entry £0.05
5. Jacob CARRUTHER found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (DUR) year 1770 1 entry £0.05
6. Joseph CARRUTHER found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (DUR) year 1767 1 entry £0.05
7. Margaret CARRUTHER found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (NBL) year 1731 1 entry £0.05
8. William CARRUTHER found in Sarum Marriage Licence Bonds (BRK) year 1779 1 entry £0.07
9. William CARRUTHER found in Sarum Marriage Licence Bonds (WIL) year 1779 1 entry £0.07
10. A2 CARRUTHERS found in Herefordshire 1891 Census (HEF) year 1891 1 entry £0.07
11. A2 CARRUTHERS found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (DUR) year 1946 1 entry £0.05
12. A2 CARRUTHERS found in Northamptonshire 1851 Census index (NTH) year 1851 1 entry £0.05
13. A2 CARRUTHERS found in Derbyshire 1891 Census index (DBY) year 1891 1 entry £0.05
14. A2 CARRUTHERS found in Tunbridge Wells area 1891 Census index (KEN) year 1891 1 entry £0.05
15. A2 CARRUTHERS found in Cornwall 1871 census (CON) year 1871 1 entry £0.09
16. Ada CARRUTHERS found in National Burial Index (North Cheshire FHS) (CHS) year 1966 1 entry £0.05
17. Adam CARRUTHERS found in Isle of Wight 1891 Census Index (IOW) year 1891 1 entry £0.05
18. Adelaide2 CARRUTHERS found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (DUR) year 1899 1 entry £0.05
19. Adelene2 CARRUTHERS found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (DUR) year 1935 1 entry £0.05
20. Agnes CARRUTHERS found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (DUR) year 1886 1 entry £0.05
21. Agnes2 CARRUTHERS found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (DUR) year 1909 1 entry £0.05
22. Alexander CARRUTHERS found in Derbyshire 1891 Census index (DBY) year 1891 1 entry £0.05
23. Alexander2 CARRUTHERS found in Leicestershire and Rutland Burial Index (LEI) year 1906 1 entry £0.05
24. Alfred CARRUTHERS found in National Burial Index (Nottinghamshire FHS) (NTT) year 1863 1 entry £0.05
25. Amelia CARRUTHERS found in Buckinghamshire 1851 Census (BKM) year 1851 1 entry £0.09
26. Amelia CARRUTHERS found in Cornwall 1851 Census (CON) year 1851 1 entry £0.09
27. Amelia CARRUTHERS found in Cornwall 1861 census (CON) year 1861 1 entry £0.09
28. Ann CARRUTHERS found in National Burial Index (Northumberland and Durham FHS) (DUR) year 1919 1 entry £0.05
29. Ann CARRUTHERS found in Cleveland 1851 Census Index (NRY) year 1851 1 entry £0.05
30. Ann CARRUTHERS found in National Burial Index (Birmingham & Midland SGH) (WOR) years 1743-1822 2 entries £0.09
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FITCHETT (with variants for surname only) anywhere at any time.
450 results found.
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1. Ann FITCHET found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1773 1 entry £0.05
2. Ann FITCHET found in Sussex Burials (SSX) year 1638 1 entry £0.06
3. Ann FITCHET found in National Burial Index (Lincolnshire FHS) (LIN) year 1862 1 entry £0.05
4. Ann FITCHET found in National Burial Index (Birmingham & Midland SGH) (WAR) year 1824 1 entry £0.04
5. Anna FITCHET found in National Burial Index (North Cheshire FHS) (CHS) year 1720 1 entry £0.05
6. D2 FITCHET found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1773 1 entry £0.05
7. Dorothy FITCHET found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1687 1 entry £0.05
8. Edward FITCHET found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) years 1709-1761 3 entries £0.15
9. Edward FITCHET found in National Burial Index (Oxfordshire FHS) (OXF) year 1790 1 entry £0.04
10. Edward FITCHET found in National Burial Index (North Cheshire FHS) (CHS) years 1739-1753 2 entries £0.10
11. Edward3 FITCHET found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1697 1 entry £0.05
12. Eliza FITCHET found in Leicester City 1851 Census (LEI) year 1851 1 entry £0.09
13. Elizabeth FITCHET found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) years 1680-1763 4 entries £0.20
14. Elizabeth FITCHET found in National Burial Index (Oxfordshire FHS) (OXF) years 1705-1803 5 entries £0.20
15. Elizabeth2 FITCHET found in National Burial Index (Lincolnshire FHS) (LIN) year 1862 1 entry £0.05
16. Ellinor FITCHET found in National Burial Index (North Cheshire FHS) (CHS) year 1727 1 entry £0.05
17. Enoch FITCHET found in National Burial Index (North Cheshire FHS) (CHS) year 1824 1 entry £0.05
18. Frances FITCHET found in National Burial Index (Oxfordshire FHS) (OXF) year 1729 1 entry £0.04
19. Francis FITCHET found in National Burial Index (Oxfordshire FHS) (OXF) year 1756 1 entry £0.04
20. George FITCHET found in National Burial Index (Nottinghamshire FHS) (NTT) year 1874 1 entry £0.05
21. George FITCHET found in Derbyshire Registrars Marriage Index (DBY) year 1862 1 entry £0.05
22. Grace FITCHET found in National Burial Index (Birmingham & Midland SGH) (WAR) year 1818 1 entry £0.04
23. Henry FITCHET found in National Burial Index (Oxfordshire FHS) (OXF) years 1711-1779 4 entries £0.16
24. Joane FITCHET found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1693 1 entry £0.05
25. John FITCHET found in Hampshire Burial Index (HAM) year 1695 2 entries £0.10
26. John FITCHET found in Berkshire Burial Index (BRK) year 1631 1 entry £0.05
27. John FITCHET found in National Burial Index (Birmingham & Midland SGH) (WAR) year 1828 1 entry £0.04
28. John FITCHET found in National Burial Index (Oxfordshire FHS) (OXF) years 1719-1760 4 entries £0.16
29. John FITCHET found in National Burial Index (North Cheshire FHS) (CHS) year 1816 1 entry £0.05
30. Joseph FITCHET found in Berkshire Marriage Index pre-1754 (BRK) year 1730 1 entry £0.05
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Hi ALL,
One of 'our' limitations for research, particularly searching for UK
emigrants to US, is the difficulty of locating relevant UK records. Well,
thanks to Richard Eastman's (Free) Newsletter and the U.K. Federation of
Family History Societies, we now have a method to do economical online
research in UK records. For ex., this info was free, see further below for
more:
[bw comment - the list of the 5 names w/info below was free!!! - read on
further below for his article, or subscribe (see below) to read his full
interesting new NewsLetter. He eventually odered a record and paid about a
dime (10 cents) for the one record he ordered. bw 10/21/03]
Entry Forename Surname Database County From to Entries Charge & details
1 Abigail EASTMAN Sarum Marriage Licence BondsWIL 1724 17241 £0.07
2 AgathaEASTMANNational Burial Index (Wiltshire FHS)WIL159215921 £0.05
3 AnnEASTMANSarum Marriage Licence BondsWIL163416341 £0.07
4 DeborahEASTMANSarum Marriage Licence BondsWIL174117411 £0.07
5 EdithEASTMANNational Burial Index (Wiltshire FHS)WIL159215921 £0.05
Thanks to Richard Eastman for his VERY informative discussion of this
Excellent UK resource. Hope we get something similar for German research.
(There is a recent publication that determined that more of 'our' US
ancestors immigrated from Ger than fm UK)
To find this discussion and other excellent info, subscribe to his
Newsletter at:
SUBSCRIPTION INFORMATION:
To obtain a subscription to Eastman's Online Genealogy Newsletter - Plus
Edition, go to http://www.eogn.com/plus.
To receive a free e-mail notification whenever a new Standard Edition of the
newsletter becomes available, go to
http://www.eogn.com/newsletter/subscribe.
Best,
Barry Wetherington
[Mr Eastman's piece continues:]
- FamilyHistoryOnline.net
The U.K. Federation of Family History Societies has collected numerous
databases and placed them online at www.FamilyHistoryOnline.net. This
"pay-per-view" site contains data contributed by county societies around
England and Wales. This week I had a chance to use FamilyHistoryOnline.net
and was quite impressed by what I saw.
FamilyHistoryOnline.net presently contains 15.7 million records, including
indexes (and sometimes more) of baptisms, marriages, burials, monumental
inscriptions, and census returns. Unlike some other online databases, all of
the data has been transcribed by experienced genealogists, ensuring a rather
high level of accuracy. Most of the data entry was conducted under auspices
of county genealogy societies, normally the experts in the records being
transcribed.
The amount of information varies widely from county to county. However, as
an example of what you might find, here is the listing for Yorkshire:
North Yorkshire & South Durham 1851 Census Index - ongoing - 57,045+ entries
Halifax RD 1851 Census Index 120,903 entries
Halifax St John Baptism Details 1 place (1813-1838) - ongoing - 16,708
entries
Morley District Baptism Details 6 places (1743-1958)* - 11,072 entries
Elland St Mary Baptism Details 1 place - ongoing - 726 entries
Halifax St John Marriage Details 1 place (1754-1837) - ongoing - 31,724
entries
Morley District Marriage Details 6 places (1655-1975)* - 2,237 entries
Elland St Mary Marriage Details 1 place - ongoing - 726 entries
Bradford Parish Church Burial Details 1 place (1681-1837) - 36,804 entries
Halifax St John Burial Details 1 place (1813-1837) - ongoing - 11,175
entries
NBI - City of York & District FHS 143 places (1600-1921)* - 63,857 entries
NBI - Cleveland FHS 192 places (1538-1997)* - 313,662 entries
NBI - Huddersfield & District FHS 49 places (1559-1984)* - 194,359 entries
NBI - Morley & District FHG 10 places (1600-1982)* - 80,221 entries
NBI - Northumberland & Durham FHS 1 place (1753-1772) - 676 entries
NBI - Rotherham FHS 21 places (1541-1985)* - 115,783 entries
NBI - Sheffield & District FHS 13 places (1789-1993)* - 289,929 entries
NBI - Yorks. Archaeological Soc. FH Section 23 places (1764-1921)* 69,123
entries
You can find a complete listing for all counties at
http://www.familyhistoryonline.net/database/index.shtml .
The abbreviation "NBI" indicates a project that is part of the National
Burial Index. An asterisk indicates that the exact years vary from one
parish to the next. The word "ongoing" indicates that the project isn't yet
finished, but the work done-to-date is available online.
I decided to try this database to see what was available. I first had to
obtain a user ID and password. That turned out to be a rather painless
process. I then was able to search the databases without payment of any sort
of fee. The database would return the name(s) but with no significant
details. In order to view the remainder of the information, a payment is
necessary.
Searches may include any combination of the following criteria:
Surname (optionally including variants)
Forename (optionally including variants)
County or area
Year, either exact or plus/minus 1, 2, 5, 10, or 25 years
An option to include birth years, typically estimated from the other
information found in the records. For instance, a marriage record in 1724
listing the bride as being 21 years old would thereby deduce that she was
born in 1703. You can elect whether or not to use these derived birth years
in your searches.
I first did a search for my own surname in Wiltshire. This search was just
on the surname, leaving all other fields blank. The database then told me
that it contained 32 records that met my search criteria. Here is a list of
the first five:
[bw comment - the list of the 5 names w/info below was free!!! - read on.
bw]
EntryForenameSurname DatabaseCountyFromtoEntriesCharge & details
1AbigailEASTMANSarum Marriage Licence BondsWIL172417241£0.07
2AgathaEASTMANNational Burial Index (Wiltshire FHS)WIL159215921£0.05
3AnnEASTMANSarum Marriage Licence BondsWIL163416341£0.07
4DeborahEASTMANSarum Marriage Licence BondsWIL174117411£0.07
5EdithEASTMANNational Burial Index (Wiltshire FHS)WIL159215921£0.05
The first five all happened to be females; but, looking further down the
list, I saw numerous males listed as well. The price shown after each record
is the fee you must pay to view the record. The fees that I noticed in this
database varied from £0.05 to £3.60 (approximately 8 cents to $6.00 in U.S.
funds). There may be even higher fees; however, £3.60 was the highest that I
saw. Most of the fees were less than £0.20 per record.
It isn't yet practical to make a £0.05 charge anywhere on the Internet.
Therefore, you must purchase "credits" in advance. You purchase these
"credits" in blocks of £5.00, £10.00, £20.00, or £50.00 at a time. The
payment is made with a credit card on a safe and secure Web server. The
whole process required about two minutes to complete.
Armed with £5.00 in credits, I returned to the search results and clicked on
the first person shown in the above list. The next screen displayed all the
following details:
Administration WILTSHIRE
Source MLB
Date 1724 May 26
Groom Moses JOYCE
aged 25
occupation linenweaver
residing at Downton, WILTSHIRE
status bachelor
notes -
Bride Abigail EASTMAN
aged 19
residing at Downton, WILTSHIRE
status spinster
notes -
Bondsmen LOADER John, cordwainer,
Enford,Wiltshire
to be married at Downton/St Thomas Salisbury
Amount paid £0.07 [abt ten cents]
The source of MLB indicates that the original record was found in the
Marriage License Bonds for Sarum (the old name for Salisbury).
The record that I found was easily copied-and-pasted into the word processor
I use to write this newsletter. It can also be copied into most other
Windows or Macintosh programs. The information could have been printed on my
printer, had I wished to do so. As that record cost £0.07, I now had £4.93
remaining to be used in other searches.
The fee that I paid was for the index only. However, a genealogist will
always want to obtain a copy of the original record as it usually contains
more information than what can be found in the index. If I wish to obtain a
copy of any original record, that will be an off-line task. While this site
does not include original records, it does point the user in the right
direction. In the case of the above record, I clicked on "Sarum Marriage
Licence Bonds" to display information on where to obtain a copy:
Wiltshire Family History Society provide an enquiry service - their address
is: 10 Castle Lane, Devizes, Wiltshire SN10 1HJ, or email
society(a)wiltshirefhs.co.uk or via website www.wiltshirefhs.co.uk.
A CD-ROM of the marriage licence bonds and allegations in fully searchable
form is available from the Society.
The Wiltshire FHS has also produced many parish register indexes and other
publications. These can also be purchased online via FamilyHistoryBooks or
by mail order from the Society.
All in all, FamilyHistoryOnline.net is a great resource for anyone searching
for ancestry in England. The site already has more than 15 million records,
all transcribed by experienced genealogists. We can assume a low error rate
although no transcription is ever perfect.
Best of all, the money spent on these searches is sent back to the societies
that contribute the data. Only a small percentage is kept by the Federation
of Family History Societies to pay for the Web servers, networks, and other
associated overhead expenses. The bulk of the money is used to fund further
transcription efforts.
If you are researching English ancestry, you should check
www.FamilyHistoryOnline.net right now. The search for records is free. You
only have to pay for the details you want. It costs nothing to see if there
any possible "hits" in the database.
The Federation of Family History Societies' Web site may be found at:
http://www.FamilyHistoryOnline.net.
Have questions or comments or seek more information? This article is being
discussed on the newsletter's Discussion Board.
Hi Wrington Researchers,
If Historian is willing to use her time to assist you (see her recent message
reprinted at the bottom), and if you are looking for some Genealogy answers for
your family history (and why are you doing this if not?), then it is time for
you to put together whatever you have of your family group (nothing about living
people other than yourself if you wish to), go as far back in time as you feel
you have a good grasp on your family history, and send it all to Historian.
While we encourage you share w/all of us your ancestors of old, it is helpful
if you can get back to your grandparents - altho we do have much on even your
GPs to assist - Historian and our other researchers [and we have some of the
best on the Web working here with us] can assist you to find your earlier
ancestors, and perhaps learn where you fit in to the Wrington Ancestors group.
Now we do not actually know of any ancestors w/the Surname of Wrington - that is
a generic substitution to assist ALL of the MANY and VARIED spellings of our
Surnames and who join up to find their place in the discovered Wrington
Genealogy.
Please send whatever you have to Jean at jowgen(a)earthlink.net, and if you
like, but only if you wish to now, also copy to the others that have already
been sharing Gen on the RootsWeb Lists at:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/w/wetherington.htmlhttp://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/w/witherington.html
(and Dare, Easterling, Fitchett, Carruthers, Cleverly, and ALL forms of W'ton)
where you can also Browse Recent messages (or older msgs), or search the
Extensive Archives of the extended W'rington Genealogy family, or OneClick Join
(FREE) to receive msgs from Historian and other interested contributors.
Have fun learning about your long ago relatives, and Look forward to hearing
from you in the next few days.
Barry Wetherington
ListsHost
PS: To assist us in tracing Wringtons, we also look into other associated
Surnames, such as Dare, Easterling, Fitchett, Carruthers, Cleverly, and ALL
forms of W'ton.
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From: Historian
For all those who have joined in the last year would you send me your lineage so
that I might add you to our master list and possibly identify your missing
ancestors.
Historian, Jean
jowgen(a)earthlink.net
Last msg Pammy,
If you do decide to join the http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/ database (you can
search the Catalogue for free, but must join the Database (? cost) to search the
actual database itself), would you please see what it has on this single
fascinating entry:
"BURIALS (including CREMATIONS and EXHUMATIONS): Search for remains of Princess
Pocahontas. 1909-1932 "
(I also host the Poca-L RootsWeb List):
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/other/Ethnic-Native/POCAHONTAS.html
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrfly(a)comcast.net>
To: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrfly(a)comcast.net>; "Pammy"
<pjleather(a)sympatico.ca>
Cc: "Cleverly-L" <CLEVERLY-l(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: pro.gov.uk Archives George Cleverly
| Pammy, (2d msg)
|
| Just because I was interested myself, I just ran a Catalogue search on
| 'George AND Cleverly', and got these 12 hits. Use the 'Refine' function as
| necess.
|
| Barry
| ================
| Search Results
| http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/
| You ran a basic search on "George AND Cleverly".
|
| There were 12 hits within catalogue entry details. Hits 1 to 12 are shown
below
| sorted by catalogue reference.
|
| PRO ReferenceTitle/Scope and ContentCovering Dates
|
| ADM 29/1/233 Original page number: 233 Michael Rose LANGDON; Rank: Master;
Born:
| [Not Given]; Age on entry: [Not Given]; Dates served: 10 February 1797-10
| October 1815 George RAMSDEN; Rank: Master; Born: [Not Given]; Age on entry:
[Not
| Given]; Dates served: 15 February 1799-16 March 1810 Thomas PENROSE; Rank:
| Master; Born: [Not Given]; Age on entry: [Not Given]; Dates served: 30 March
| 1796-3 October 1804 James CLEVERLY; Rank: Master; Born: [Not Given]; Age on
| entry: [Not Given]; Dates served: 22 March 1800-15 December 1807 Andrew WEIR;
| Rank: Carpenter; Born: [Not Given]; Age on entry: [Not Given]; Dates served:
15
| July 1796-31 October 1812; Date and Type of Application: Admiralty 2 December
| 1813 Richard HILLS; Rank: Gunner; Born: [Not Given]; Age on entry: [Not
Given];
| Dates served: 28 March 1793-31 August 1813; Date and Type of Application:
| Admiralty 2 December 1813 George AYTON; Rank: Purser; Born: [Not Given]; Age
on
| entry: [Not Given]; Dates served: 24 August 1781-31 March 1813 1802-1814
. . . . .
Pammy, (2d msg)
Just because I was interested myself, I just ran a Catalogue search on
'George AND Cleverly', and got these 12 hits. Use the 'Refine' function as
necess.
Barry
================
Search Results
http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/
You ran a basic search on "George AND Cleverly".
There were 12 hits within catalogue entry details. Hits 1 to 12 are shown below
sorted by catalogue reference.
PRO ReferenceTitle/Scope and ContentCovering Dates
ADM 29/1/233 Original page number: 233 Michael Rose LANGDON; Rank: Master; Born:
[Not Given]; Age on entry: [Not Given]; Dates served: 10 February 1797-10
October 1815 George RAMSDEN; Rank: Master; Born: [Not Given]; Age on entry: [Not
Given]; Dates served: 15 February 1799-16 March 1810 Thomas PENROSE; Rank:
Master; Born: [Not Given]; Age on entry: [Not Given]; Dates served: 30 March
1796-3 October 1804 James CLEVERLY; Rank: Master; Born: [Not Given]; Age on
entry: [Not Given]; Dates served: 22 March 1800-15 December 1807 Andrew WEIR;
Rank: Carpenter; Born: [Not Given]; Age on entry: [Not Given]; Dates served: 15
July 1796-31 October 1812; Date and Type of Application: Admiralty 2 December
1813 Richard HILLS; Rank: Gunner; Born: [Not Given]; Age on entry: [Not Given];
Dates served: 28 March 1793-31 August 1813; Date and Type of Application:
Admiralty 2 December 1813 George AYTON; Rank: Purser; Born: [Not Given]; Age on
entry: [Not Given]; Dates served: 24 August 1781-31 March 1813 1802-1814
ADM 29/52/273Original page number: 273 George SHEPHERD; Rating; Born: [Not
Given]; Age on entry: 15; Dates served: 15 January 1842-11 November 1850 George
CLEVERLY; Rating; Born: [Not Given]; Age on entry: 15; Dates served: 15 January
1842-11 November 1850 1854 Aug - 1855 Mar
MFQ 1/445/1Hong Kong. Map of part of the Western District of Victoria from East
Point to the Albany Godowns, showing buildings, high and low water marks, hills,
roads and boundary lines. Reference table. Scale: 1 inch to 200 feet. Compass
indicator. Signed by Charles St George Cleverly, acting Surveyor General,
September 1845. 1845
MFQ 1/499/6Hong Kong. Map of Kowloon Peninsula as surveyed by S G Bird [and]
Charles St George Cleverly, Surveyor General, June 1863 showing sites reserved
for the barracks, hospital and battery. Reference table. Scale: 1 inch to 280
feet. Compass indicator. Originally enclosed in a letter dated 23 April 1864
from H S Nolloth, Captain and Senior Officer. 1863-[1864]
MFQ 1/1372/1Hong Kong: [Victoria]. 'Supreme Court House. Proposed Office for
Registrar General and Outbuildings. For Court & other servants': sheet bearing
basement and ground floor plans, elevations and sections, with dimensions.
Signed: Charles St George Cleverly, Surveyor General. 1864
MFQ 1/1372/2'Plan of Hong Kong and Kowloon and Stone Cutters Island shewing
existing Batteries & Sites to be reserved for Future Batteries'. Reference
table. Scale: 2 inches to 1 mile. Compass indicator. Signed: Charles St George
Cleverly, Surveyor General; Major General H G Brown; Captain Frederick Brine,
Royal Engineers, 28 April 1864. 1864
MFQ 1/1372/3Hong Kong. 'Southern Extremity of Kowloon Peninsula Plan showing
site of proposed barrack and W.D. reserves for batteries &c': also showing
contours. Reference notes on access, rights of way, possible reversions, and
boundary stones. Scale: 1 inch to 200 feet. 1864
MFQ 1/1372/4Hong Kong. 'Kowloon Peninsula Plan showing Areas of Cultivated
Land - to accompany Surveyor General's letter No 19 of April 20 1864': also
showing principal physical features, roads, villages, and a boundary line.
Reference table to plots of land, giving areas in acres and Chinese mows. 1864
MFQ 1/1372/5Hong Kong. 'Kowloon Peninsula - Southern Extremity Plan showing
proposed War Deparmt Boundaries Sites for Marrd Soldiers Quarters and Battery...
to accompany Surveyor General's letter No 17 of 6th April 1864': also showing
contours, roads, barracks, stores, a site reserved for a church, a naval coal
shed, and a police station. 1864
MPGG 1/118/1-5 Hong Kong. 'Central police station': 5 sheets of plans and
elevations of the proposed new building: (1) plan of the ground floor and parade
ground, and elevations of cells and privies; (2) upper-floor plan; (3)
first-floor plan and elevation of the kitchen; (4) roof plan and north
elevation; (5) ground, first and second-floor plans, roof plan, and north and
east elevations of quarters fro Superintendents and Inspectors. 1862
MPGG 1/118/6-7 Hong Kong. 2 plans. (1) 'Convict gaol for Stone-Cutters Island':
ground plan showing present and proposed work. Scale: 1 inch to 30 feet [1:360].
(2) 'Plan of Stone-Cutters Island shewing site of proposed convict gaol':
showing the present gaol, a proposed extension, and the probable lines of roads.
1862
PROB 4/20845 Cleverly, William, of Stepney, Mdx., ob. in the ship "George",
beyond the seas 1680 2 Nov. Undated
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrfly(a)comcast.net>
To: "Pammy" <pjleather(a)sympatico.ca>
Cc: "Cleverly-L" <CLEVERLY-l(a)rootsweb.com>; "BarryCast" <cbarrfly(a)comcast.net>
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 10:56 AM
Subject: Re: Cleverly-L Archives Canada
| http://www.pro.gov.uk/
| http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/
| (Nat'l Archives)
|
| Pammy,
|
| You might get near full value out of the above databases. Also, after
looking
| at our rather new Cleverly-L List Archives, spend time in the FamilySearch.org
| Archives:
| http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp
| in Canada, see excerpt below, including a few Georges (14, 24, 27, 35, 37,
42);
| although I didn't, perforce, see a Diana, there are a couple Fannies.
|
| Best of Luck.
|
| Barry
| =================
|
| You searched for: Cleverly
| , Canada
| Exact Spelling: Off
| Matches: All Sources - 60
| Ancestral File
| 1. Arthur Cecil CLEVERLY - Ancestral File
| Gender: M Birth/Christening: 30 Dec 1895 <, Ontario>
|
| 2. Earnest CLEVERLY - Ancestral File
| Gender: M Birth/Christening: < 1889 <, Ontario>
|
| 3. Frank CLEVERLY - Ancestral File
| Gender: M Birth/Christening: < 1891 <, Ontario>
|
| 4. Sidney CLEVERLY - Ancestral File
| Gender: M Birth/Christening: < 1897 <, Ontario>
|
| 5. Arthur Cecil CLEVERLY - Ancestral File
| Gender: M Death/Burial: 1967 Toronto
|
| 6. Frank Smith CLEVERLY - Ancestral File
| Gender: M Death/Burial: Toronto
|
| Matches: Ancestral File - 6
|
| --------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Census - 1880 US Census
| 7. Barbore CLEVERLY - 1880 United States Census / Massachusetts
| Wife Gender: Female Birth: <1832> NS
|
| 8. Peter CLEVERLY - 1880 United States Census / Illinois
| Self Gender: Male Birth: <1819> CAN
|
| 9. Mary A. CLEVERLY - 1880 United States Census / Illinois
| Wife Gender: Female Birth: <1819> CAN
|
| 10. Miles A. CLEVERLY - 1880 United States Census / Illinois
| Son Gender: Male Birth: <1852> CAN
|
| 11. Cynthia C. CLEVERLY - 1880 United States Census / Massachusetts
| Wife Gender: Female Birth: <1850> NOVA SCOTIA
|
| Matches: Census/1880 US Census - 5
|
| --------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Census - 1881 British Census
| 12. Elizabeth CLEVERLEY - 1881 British Census / York
| Daur Gender: Female Birth: <1874> Canada
|
| 13. Florence CLEVERLEY - 1881 British Census / York
| Daur Gender: Female Birth: <1874> Canada
|
| Matches: Census/1881 British Census - 2
|
| --------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| Census - 1881 Canadian Census
| 14. George CLEVERLEY - 1881 Canadian Census / Manitoba
| Gender: Male Birth: <1857> Ontario
|
| 15. Ellen CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Manitoba
| Gender: Female Birth: <1852> O <Ontario>
|
| 16. William G. CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Manitoba
| Gender: Male Birth: <1873> O <Ontario>
|
| 17. Arthur J. CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Manitoba
| Gender: Male Birth: <1875> O <Ontario>
|
| 18. Alberta E. CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Manitoba
| Gender: Female Birth: <1877> O <Ontario>
|
| 19. Ellen M. CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Manitoba
| Gender: Female Birth: <1880> M <Manitoba>
|
| 20. George J. CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Manitoba
| Gender: Male Birth: <1857> O <Ontario>
|
| 21. James Thomas CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Male Birth: <1870> Ontario
|
| 22. Fannie CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Female Birth: <1872> Ontario
|
| 23. Aron CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Male Birth: <1874> Ontario
|
| 24. George William CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Male Birth: <1876> Ontario
|
| 25. Eliza Ann CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Female Birth: <1877> Ontario
|
| 26. Mira CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Female Birth: <1879> Ontario
|
| 27. George CLEVERLEY - 1881 Canadian Census / Manitoba
| Gender: Male Birth: <1857> Ontario
|
| 28. James CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Male Birth: <1851> England
|
| 29. John W. CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Manitoba
| Gender: Male Birth: <1851> Angleterre
|
| 30. Ellen CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Manitoba
| Gender: Female Birth: <1852> O <Ontario>
|
| 31. William G. CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Manitoba
| Gender: Male Birth: <1873> O <Ontario>
|
| 32. Arthur J. CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Manitoba
| Gender: Male Birth: <1875> O <Ontario>
|
| 33. Alberta E. CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Manitoba
| Gender: Female Birth: <1877> O <Ontario>
|
| 34. Ellen M. CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Manitoba
| Gender: Female Birth: <1880> M <Manitoba>
|
| 35. George J. CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Manitoba
| Gender: Male Birth: <1857> O <Ontario>
|
| 36. Elizabeth CLEVERLEY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Female Birth: <1845> England
|
| 37. George CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Male Birth: <1841> England
|
| 38. Charlotte CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Female Birth: <1845> England
|
| 39. James Thomas CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Male Birth: <1870> Ontario
|
| 40. Fannie CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Female Birth: <1872> Ontario
|
| 41. Aron CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Male Birth: <1874> Ontario
|
| 42. George William CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Male Birth: <1876> Ontario
|
| 43. Eliza Ann CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Female Birth: <1877> Ontario
|
| 44. Mira CLEVERLY - 1881 Canadian Census / Ontario
| Gender: Female Birth: <1879> Ontario
|
| Matches: Census/1881 Canadian Census - over 25
|
| --------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| International Genealogical Index - North America
| 45. Howard Elvert Cleverley - International Genealogical Index / NA
| Gender: Male Birth: 19 AUG 1911 Claresholm, Alberta, Alberta
|
| 46. Howard Elvert Cleverley - International Genealogical Index / NA
| Gender: Male Death: 18 DEC 1991
|
| 47. Howard Elvert Cleverley - International Genealogical Index / NA
| Gender: Male Birth: 19 AUG 1911 Clareshome, , , Canada
|
| 48. Howard Elvert Cleverley - International Genealogical Index / NA
| Gender: Male Death: 18 DEC 1991
|
| 49. Miss. CLEVERLY - International Genealogical Index / NA
| Gender: Female Birth: 1776 Chester, Lunenburg, Nova Scotia
|
| 50. Miss Cleverly - International Genealogical Index / NA
| Gender: Female Birth: 1776 Of, , Halifax, Nova Scotia
|
| 51. Miss. CLEVERLY - International Genealogical Index / NA
| Gender: Female Birth: 1776
|
| 52. Miss Cleverly - International Genealogical Index / NA
| Gender: Female Birth: 1776 Of, , Halifax, Nova Scotia
|
| 53. Miss Cleverly - International Genealogical Index / NA
| Gender: Female Birth: , Halifax, Nova Scotia
|
| 54. Miss. CLEVERLY - International Genealogical Index / NA
| Gender: Female Death: 1868
|
| 55. Miss Cleverly - International Genealogical Index / NA
| Gender: Female Death: 1868
|
| 56. Miss Cleverly - International Genealogical Index / NA
| Gender: Female Death: 1868
|
| 57. Miss. CLEVERLY - International Genealogical Index / NA
| Gender: Female Marriage: About 1796 Chester, Lunenburg, Nova
Scotia
|
| 58. Ida May Cleverley - International Genealogical Index / NA
| Gender: Female Birth: 22 AUG 1893 Brampton, Peel, Ontario
|
| 59. Alberta Margaret Cleverly - International Genealogical Index /
NA
| Gender: Female Birth: 10 FEB 1878 Ottawa, Carleton, Ontario
|
| Matches: International Genealogical Index/North America - 15
|
| --------------------------------------------------------------------
|
| U.S. Social Security Death Index
| 60. Alma CLEVERLY - U.S. Social Security Death Index
| Birth: 1 Mar 1911 State Where Number was Issued: Michigan Death:
| Apr 1979
|
| Matches: U.S. Social Security Death Index - 1
|
| Sources Searched
| Matches were found only in the sources listed below. Click
on
| a source to see more matches for that source.
| . Ancestral File - 6
| . Census/1880 US Census - 5
| . Census/1881 British Census - 2
| . Census/1881 Canadian Census - over 25
| . IGI/North America - 15
| . U.S. Social Security Death Index - 1
|
|
|
|
|
|
| =================
| Some early UK Cleverlys
| http://catalogue.pro.gov.uk/
|
| Cleverlye v. Bridges
| 17/11/1558-24/03/1603
|
| Cleverlye v. Hamden and Cawett 6 Eliz
| Cleverlye v Wake, Tothe. 21 Eliz
| Cleverlye v. Bridges 17/11/1558-24/03/1603
|
| Cleverly, William, of Stepney, Mdx., ob. in the ship "George", beyond the seas
| 1680 2 Nov
|
| Edward Cleverly 7 Geo 1 -
| Richd. Franklin, "doctor in phisick," John Weld, Thos. Eyer, senr., Edward
| Cleverly, Robert Grossmith. v. The master and brethren of the hospital of St.
| Crosse Wm. Bennett, Esq., Edwd. Jenkins, clerk.: Vicarage and parish of
Fareham,
| in the county of Southampton.
| 7 Geo 1
|
| Edward Cleverly, John Cleverly 12 Geo 1
| Dummer Andrews, clerk. v. Sir Berkly Lucy, Bart., Richd. Booth, esquire,
| Edward Cleverly, John Cleverly.: Rectory, vicarage, and parish of Hound
| (Southampton), and the farms and lands called "Netley Grange and place
grounds"
| in the said parish, &c., &c. Tithes.
| 12 Geo 1
|
| James Cleverly of St. James 30 Sep 1762
| Parties: John Richmond Webb of Lincoln's Inn co. Middx, esq. James Cleverly
| of St. James, Westminster, gent. Place or Subject: Mortgage of messuages and
| lands in the forest of Chute and Wakeswool co. Hants, the Queens Head in
| Ladgershell and the manor, manor house and advowson of Biddesden co. 30 Sep
1762
|
| ====================
| Records created, acquired, and inherited by Chancery, and also of the
Wardrobe,
| Royal Household, Exchequer and various commissions 15
| WORecords created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate
| General, and related bodies 8
| BTRecords of the Board of Trade and of successor and related bodies 4
| STACRecords of the Court of Star Chamber and of other courts 3
| FORecords created and inherited by the Foreign Office 3
| ERecords of the Exchequer, and its related bodies, with those of the Office of
| First Fruits and Tenths, and the Court of Augmentations 3
| SPRecords assembled by the State Paper Office, including papers of the
| Secretaries of State up to 1782 1
| PROBRecords of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury 1
| PINRecords created or inherited by the Ministry of Pensions and National
| Insurance, and of related and successor bodies 1
| JRecords of the Supreme Court of Judicature and related courts 1
| HORecords created or inherited by the Home Office, Ministry of Home Security,
| and related bodies 1
| DVRecords of the Central Midwives Board 1
| ADMRecords of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and
| related bodies 1
| ===================
| C 30/730Cleverly v Troughton
| C 3/47/44Cleverlye v. Freind: Hants. A.D. 1558-1579
| C 3/398/184Cleverly v. Budd A.D. 1626-1639
| C 9/176/15Cleverly v. Woods and Cleverly 1703
| C 10/167/14Cleverly v. Kempton: Kent. 1672
| C 10/269/23Cleverly v. Sheth alias Sherth: Hants 1685
| C 10/527/19Cleverly v. Wilton: Hants 1708
| C 10/149/41Hancocke v. Hancocke, Nicholls, Roy, Cleverly: Hants 1684
| C 11/851/62Kerby v. Cleverly 1739
| C 11/2473/9Cleverly v Player 1742
| C 12/1758/8Horsenail v. Cleverly 1800
| C 22/44/20Cleverly v. Fry.
| C 22/335/37Cleverly v Dunse.
| C 22/354/37Friend v Cleverly. Car. 1st.
| C 127/15CLEVERLY v CLEVERLY
|
| This thread:
| [Cleverly] 1558-1603 1680 & earlier Cleverlys UK by cbarrfly(a)comcast.net
|
| =================
| ----- Original Message -----
| From: "Pammy" <pjleather(a)sympatico.ca>
| To: "Barry Wetherington" <cbarrfly(a)comcast.net>
| Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 8:55 AM
| Subject: Re: Welcome to Cleverly-L Pammy
|
|
| | Dear Barry,
| | My 3x gt grandmother was Diana Cleverly. She was baptized in 1804 in
| | St. John's Chapel, St. Mary's Church, Portsea, Hampshire to George
| | Cleverly and Mary Morrison. She married George Passly Hughes in
| | Portsea 1821. They moved from Portsea to Kent and had 2 daughters that
| | I know of. Charlotte and Martha Mary ., baptized 1824 in Crayford, Kent.
| | George Cleverly and Mary Morrison had a total of 6 children... George,
| | Alexander, Martha, Diana, Eleanor and Fanny.
|
Welcome to Cleverlys-L Pammy,
There aren't that many of us seeking the Cleverlys. Let me know your Line
AND, search or Browse messages in the Archives at:
http://lists.rootsweb.com/index/surname/c/cleverly.html
Barry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Pammy" <pjleather(a)sympatico.ca>
To: <CLEVERLY-L-request(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, October 07, 2003 6:38 PM
Subject: subscribe
Hi again Lists,
Following up on our earlier dna discussion, comments on an article written
by Richard Eastman in his Excellent free Genealogy Newsletter, the noted
Genealogy writer which I discussed for a few of you a week or so ago (see
comments & subsciption info at the bottom), some/a few Surnames have initiated
genealogic dna testing for surname relationships.
FYI, one such (DNA PROJECT ) study uses a planform similar to that outlined
below.
Barry
DNA PROJECT
Language and name experts have hypothesised that common surnames may have
arisen from a common ancestor or family since the commencement of the patronymic
naming system about a thousand years ago. A long term DNA testing project on
cell samples from such families would be useful to obtain evidence of genetic
relationships for genealogical purposes.
OBJECTIVES for such a project:
To test whether persons of common names are genetically related by being
descendants from one common ancestor.
To differentiate genetic families and establish a benchmark or typical haplotype
for each line.
To validate genealogy established from evidence provided by genealogical church,
state & other records of births, deaths, marriages, wills, land ownership,
military and other historical records and physical indications such as written
on burial memorials.
To test the validity of family legends of relationships.
To indicate which family lines may benefit by further collaboration in their
research.
To set up a genetic family data base format for future researchers use.
The Technology
The basis for DNA technology used for these objectives is:
The DNA of the Y chromosome, one of the 23rd chromosome pair in males, found in
the nucleus of the human cell, differs between unrelated males. It is passed
from father to son only, with little mutational change over long periods of
time. The surname in the patronymic naming system generally follows the Y
chromosome DNA.
The DNA of the mitochondria in the cell, (but outside of the nucleus,) which
control the use of sugar and oxygen to release energy, is passed from mother to
female child. It is useful for showing population movements in the past and
ancestral female relationships. It was recently used by scientists to ID a
living female's genealogic connection to her 5,000 yr old mumified female
ancestor from her village.
Mutational changes within the Y chromosome and mitochondrial DNA can be used to
estimate time back to a common ancestor.
For additional information on DNA for the layman see:
Contexo: http://www.contexo.info/DNA_Basics/
Blair101: http://blairgenealogy.com/dna/dna101.html
Participation
Such a long term project would be intended to assist genealogists of and
historians interested in a common surname and variants. It would necessitate
comparisons of Y DNA from living males of these surnames, and would define the
various surnames family lines. A few males of different and/or associated
surnames might be included when circumstances indicate that they may have had a
common descendency. As time passes it may be necessary to widen the list to
include other related names or to split off a name to form a separate group.
Such a study would have requirements:
You must be over 18 years old, male with the proper surname and other
acceptable variants.
You should provide a pedigree or known history of paternal ancestry for at
least 4 generations, without name change or adoption from outside the genetic
line.
You must have an email address for communications and delivery of test
results.
To join would require a contact followed by acceptance for association with
the project as a genuine family line, at which time you would be given the
internet address for a test order form from an approved testing group such as
FTDNA testing company in Houston, Texas, or other approved organization which
agrees to a reduced test price for group members.
The standard test for Y chromosome DNA, which is inherited by males only from
their fathers, costs about US$170. Payment can be made by credit card from most
countries. Other tests for mitochondrial DNA, inherited only from mothers, and
tests for recent ethnic origins are also supported by this project, see FTDNA
home page for further details.
A sampling kit will be sent to your mailing address. It contains two
scraper-swabs, two tiny vials, an addressed return envelope and instructions.
The sample is taken at home by rubbing the swab around the inside of the
cheeks and gums for a minute and absorbing saliva and cells. The scraper is
detached directly into the vial, to be sealed and posted off to the laboratory.
No pain or blood is involved and the process takes only a few minutes.
The test does not find health problems or genetic defects and does it
indicate the life expectancy or age at death of a person.
The tests require 4 to 8 weeks from reception at the lab. Results would be
made available on a secure web site, after notice by email.
FTDNA will also include participants in their database - if they find your
result matches any already in the database, you will be informed.
All results for this project would also be reported in the table on the
website and discussed on the website. Participants would be identified on the
site by the test kit number, and made known to each other only by mutual consent
through the group administrator. See also the website for FTDNA
Note: Unexpected results should be understood:
-An unmarried daughter in a family might have her illegimate child carry her
family name, but the son would not have the Y DNA of her father.
-A man might raise his dead sister's child in his own name, but the child would
have different genetics from the nominal father.
-A child resulting from an illicit union within a marriage may or may not have
the Y DNA of his nominal father, depending on the relationship of the real
father to the nominal father, eg a brother, paternal uncle or cousin etc.,
would have identical Y DNA to the nominal father and a false paternity record
would not be detected.
-The marriage of a man to a woman pregnant by another, is a not uncommon cause
for unrecorded lineage and unexpected DNA test results.
-It should be remembered that there are estimated to be more than 100,000
surnames in the US. Surnames are relatively rare and even though false paternity
may be proved by this project, the fact of carrying the surname would still show
a likelihood of a family association of some sort. The actual biologic history
may be different from the documentary or legendary evidence.
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Hi all Lists, [Genealogy dna discussed by Richard Eastman, Genealogist] [#2
w/indiv Lst names]
. Richard Eastman is a well respected long time writer about issues important to
Genealogists, family tree & history researchers, and to simple looker-uppers. He
has produced such a piece about dna testing, see below.
As you members of our Surname lists know, I've been discussing the 'dna'
aspect for family tree researchers for some time. I've dropped 4-5 emails to our
Lists over the last few years. This is another one of potential interest to each
of you, identifying some benefits AND some deficits of a dna project for your
family history. This quote from Richard's column teases the issue:
"The Family Tree DNA service becomes quite exciting when two, ten, or perhaps
hundreds of people with the same surname use Family Tree DNA's services as a
tool for surname projects."
Read this piece and others available in our various Lists Archives if you
might be interested.
Barry Wetherington, Lists Host
PS: Comment: I believe I've detected a negative rumble to the effect that dna
could prove a negative connection - a non family connection - where a connection
is desired, so better to not know than take a chance. This could be a factor in
the so-far relatively low participation rates. Read on for Mr Eastman's views!
bw
"Family Tree DNA
Some of the major advances in genealogy research are in the use of DNA to
prove or disprove bloodlines. DNA will not provide names, places or dates of
birth, death, or marriage. However, DNA information can prove with scientific
certainty that two people are closely related; that is, they share a common
ancestor. This week I had some personal exposure to DNA research.
Family Tree DNA is a leading company in providing DNA services to genealogists.
Quoting from the company's Web site:
The value of Family Tree DNA testing is our ability to help find "Genetic
Cousins " by comparing the results of as few as two people.
Males are able to see if another male is a descendant from their direct
paternal line. Our 12 marker Y-DNA test has become the world standard. Our
25-marker test yields the world's tightest parameters to the Most Recent Common
Ancestor (MRCA). You may order the 12 marker test and return to "refine" your
test at a later time without the need to re-submit another DNA sample!
Women can determine which Haplogroup they are part of based upon the descent
through their maternal line. Reports are compared to the Cambridge Reference
Sequence, which show your deviation from this industry standard. We identify the
lettered Haplogroup that your mtDNA is assigned to by the scientific community.
DETERMINE relatives through two of your eight great-grandparents using Y or
mtDNA testing. We search the non-recombining portion of your DNA; a CHART
explaining this concept is suggested viewing. DNA testing is a new additional
genealogical tool.
You may find some new words and phrases in the above paragraphs. I know that I
did. Luckily, the Family Tree DNA Web site provides many references to
additional material, both on the site and on other Web sites as well. Rest
assured: the terminology becomes clearer after additional reading.
A couple of months ago I submitted a DNA sample to Family Tree DNA. The process
was simple: I wiped the inside of my cheek with a special swab provided by the
company. I put the swab into a small container, sealed it, filled out some
paperwork, deposited everything in an envelope provided by the company, and
mailed the envelope. The whole process took about five minutes and was simple
and painless.
As time passed, I totally forgot about the sample that I had submitted. This
week the postman delivered a package from Family Tree DNA: my results. I tore
the envelope open and studied the certificate inside. It gave my name and a
series of numbers that seemed to me to be all mumbo- jumbo. The document might
as well been written in Swahili, as I didn't understand a bit of it.
The same envelope included a few sheets of explanatory text. That helped a bit,
but it still did not tell me "how I fit into the world." I went to Family Tree
DNA's Web site, and there I received an education.
The Family Tree DNA site contains databases of information found in previous
samples. Your own information can be added to these databases, if you give
permission. However, all information is confidential until you say otherwise.
Your data is always under your control.
I first checked my Y-DNA matches in the Family Tree DNA customer database. The Y
chromosome is passed from father to son and on to grandson, great-grandson and
so on, unaltered for generations. People who gave permission to be listed in the
Y-DNA database may match my Y chromosome exactly or possibly closely. They also
have provided their email address and have signed the proper release form.
In my case, there were no close Y-DNA matches listed in the database. Therefore,
it appears that, as of today, nobody else with my surname (or direct male line
of ancestry back to a common ancestor) has data in the Family Tree DNA database
and has given permission to share it. I must admit that I was not surprised.
Family Tree DNA states that they can "help find 'Genetic Cousins ' by comparing
the results of as few as two people." In my case, it was a one-person analysis.
I didn't expect to find any "genetic cousins."
COMMENT: If your last name is Eastman and you have had an analysis made of your
DNA, I would like to compare some numbers with you! I did give my permission for
future searchers to find my DNA information.
Next, I checked the Recent Ethnic Origins database and Haplogroup database and
received interesting results. While there aren't any others in the database with
DNA numbers close to mine, the "Two Step Mutations" did give strong clues as to
the country of origin of my direct male ancestors.
My tests obviously focused on Y-chromosome as I am a male. Women can determine
which Haplogroup they are part of based upon the descent through their maternal
line. Reports will report the mitochondrial (mtDNA) numbers assigned by the
scientific community. For the rest of this article, I will focus on Y-chromosome
testing. However, you can find a lot of information about mtDNA on Family Tree
DNA's Web site as well as at a number of other places on the Web.
In my case, the twenty-five sets of numbers on my certificate have not provided
meaningful results, simply because I am a solitary individual taking this test.
To be sure, the Family Tree DNA testing did reveal the probable country of
origin of my direct male ancestral line, and that can be helpful information for
many people.
The Family Tree DNA service becomes quite exciting when two, ten, or perhaps
hundreds of people with the same surname use Family Tree DNA's services as a
tool for surname projects. For instance, the Morse Society knows of five
immigrant men named Morse or Moss who immigrated to the U.S. in the 1600s. There
is speculation that some of these men may have been related to each other, but
no evidence has been uncovered. Many other family societies face similar
questions: were these immigrants of the same name related to each other?
If a number of Morse/Moss male descendants have DNA tests conducted by Family
Tree DNA, the speculation will end. The DNA results will prove or disprove who
is related to whom. Those with matching or nearly matching Y-DNA numbers share a
common direct male ancestor. (By direct male ancestor, I mean your father's
father's father's No females between you and the common ancestor.) If the Y-DNA
numbers are not close, then obviously these Morse/Moss descendants do not share
a common direct male ancestor and are not related, at least not through that
line of ancestry.
The Family Tree DNA Web site is the home of more than 600 Surname Projects.
Possibly one of your surnames of interest is lready participating there. If not,
you can start a new Surname Project of your own:
A minimum of 6 participants is required.
You must choose a Group Administrator who will handle the data management of
your family's Surname Project.
The Group Administrator will be Family Tree DNA's direct link to your project.
The Group Administrator will have access to a secure page where your project's
status is updated daily. Family Tree DNA will distribute legal release forms
allowing for the sharing of the test results with the Group Administrator. Test
kits and payments may be submitted individually or as a group to FTDNA for
processing.
Test results will be returned to the Group Administrator as they are received by
the office. Each participant will also receive a certificate and report
containing their personal test results. The staff of FTDNA will help you
interpret the meaning of your test results.
FTDNA will consult with you on the minimum number of test takers you will need
to reconstruct your family tree, depending upon how many branches of your family
will participate in the project.
In short, Family Tree DNA's services can provide information that you will never
discover in books, microfilm, or computer databases. It will prove or disprove
some of your relationships with others. It may prove your relationship to a
particular individual in past years if (and only if) enough relatives of that
ancestor have DNA analysis testing performed. It can solve some paperwork
roadblocks that you have encountered.
Y-chromosome DNA testing is especially good at disproving relationships and that
can be as valuable as proving a relationship. It may even disprove some of the
"accepted lineages" that have been published time and again by lineage societies
and family societies. Now THAT could cause a ruckus at the next annual meeting!
The Family Tree DNA Web site has loads of explanatory information. Even if you
do not purchase their services, anyone interested in learning about DNA in
genealogy will want to spend some time reading the material available at the
site. The same Web site also has some excellent videos that you can play
directly on your PC or Macintosh. In addition, you may order a videotape that
can be played on a normal television set and VCR.
Family Tree DNA provides a number of different tests, with prices varying from
$159 up to $567 for the "DNAWorks," a combination of several tests. Those prices
may sound a bit high at first but remember that they are a fraction of the
prices charged five years ago. They are also much cheaper than the typical
genealogy research trip, even to one only a few hundred miles away. The results
of DNA testing also have a higher probability of accuracy than most information
recorded years ago. After all, even primary records recorded at the time of an
event occasionally contain errors or even deliberate falsehoods. On the other
hand, it is difficult to fool a DNA test.
My recommendation: Do not do what I did! When one person submits a test sample
alone, DNA testing is not very fruitful. To be sure, you might get lucky and
find a match. The odds are against it, however, until these databases contain
DNA information for hundreds or thousands or even millions of people. I did not
find a match (yet), and chances are that you will not, either, if you act alone.
However, the data that you and I submitted today might match a future test
sample.
The real power of DNA testing occurs when a group of people submit data, usually
those who are trying to prove or disprove relationships. Such proof is easy to
determine when two people submit test samples. Things become much more
interesting as more and more people become involved in a one-name study. DNA
testing is an excellent tool for today's genealogist if you understand what can
and cannot be proven.
Here is another note to anyone named Eastman who is reading this article:
Do you think that you and I could find four more individuals with our
surname who would be interested in starting a surname project of our own? Most
people with our surname are descended from one person who arrived in
Massachusetts in 1638. However, there have also been a few other immigrants of
that name in later years. I have never been able to prove my ancestral line all
the way back to any of the immigrants. If a number of us take this DNA test, we
can prove whether or not we share a common ancestor, be it the 1638 immigrant or
not. I'd like to know if we are indeed all related.
This is exciting technology. I expect that, within a couple of decades, DNA
testing will become a part of every genealogist's research efforts. As the size
of the databases of collected DNA information grows, no genealogy effort will be
considered accurate until it is accompanied by DNA proof.
I placed my DNA certificate from Family Tree DNA alongside my original birth
certificate in my personal records.
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For more information about the many services of Family Tree DNA, go to:
http://www.familytreedna.com."
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