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YOU KNOW YOU'RE TAKING GENEALOGY TOO SERIOUSLY IF...
You are the only person to show up at the cemetery research party with a shovel.
To put the "final touches" on your genealogical research, you've asked all of your closest relatives to provide DNA samples.
You were instrumental in having "non-genealogical use of the genealogy room copy machine" classified as a federal hate crime.
Your house leans slightly toward the side where your genealogical records are stored.
You decided to take a two-week break from genealogy, and the US Postal Office immediately laid off 1,500 employees.
Out of respect for your best friend's unquestioned reputation for honesty and integrity, you are willing to turn off that noisy surveillance camera while she reviews your 57 genealogical research notebooks in your home. The armed security guard, however, will remain.
You plod merrily along "refining" your recently published family history, blissfully unaware that the number of errata pages now far exceeds the number of pages in your original publication.
During an ice storm and power outage, you ignore the pleas of your shivering spouse and place your last quilt around that 1886 photograph of dear Uncle George.
The most recent document in your "Missing Ancestors" file is a 36-page contract between you and Johnson Billboard Advertising Company.
Ed McMahon, several t.v. cameras and an envelope from Publishers Clearing House arrive at your front door on Super Bowl Sunday, and the first thing you say is, "Are you related to the McMahons of Ohio?"
"A Loving Family" and "Financial Security" have moved up to second and third, respectively, on your list of life's goals, but still lag far behind "Owning My Own Microfilm Reader."
A magical genie appears and agrees to grant your any one wish, and you ask that the 1890 census be restored.
Yes, but that's also a paid service. If you want to email them, you have to
pay the service.
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From: Renee Hansen <hanseren(a)huntel.net>
To: <CLEVELAND-SURNAME-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 16, 1999 9:21 PM
Subject: Re: alumni registration site
> Fred another site is ClassMates.com, Some of the people there I know you
will recognize.
>
> Fred wrote:
>
> > This site was recently passed on to me by my neice and I thought it
would be a good site to pass on to all of my friends and genealogy lists.
Take a few moments and take a look at it. It is an undertaking of
astronomical proportions! It will help to find friends and relatives and
I'm sure it will stir some old memories:)
> > Fred
> >
> > www.highschoolalumni.com
> >
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Fred another site is ClassMates.com, Some of the people there I know you will recognize.
Fred wrote:
> This site was recently passed on to me by my neice and I thought it would be a good site to pass on to all of my friends and genealogy lists. Take a few moments and take a look at it. It is an undertaking of astronomical proportions! It will help to find friends and relatives and I'm sure it will stir some old memories:)
> Fred
>
> www.highschoolalumni.com
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This site was recently passed on to me by my neice and I thought it would be a good site to pass on to all of my friends and genealogy lists. Take a few moments and take a look at it. It is an undertaking of astronomical proportions! It will help to find friends and relatives and I'm sure it will stir some old memories:)
Fred
www.highschoolalumni.com
Re the note about the LDS information. You are quite correct to question EVERY single
thing on your particular tree and if money and time allow, to even work to prove the
other line names. It's costly, so my own work is limited to all direct ancestry.
What I do with LDS Ancestral Files and the IGI is use it as a guidepost. An LDS record
might, or might not be correct, depends on the submitter. Plus, what was long ago
submitted may not now be good, in light of better records access. Even DAR is looking at
old applications and having new applicants re-prove some of the lines they believe may
be imperfect. What I do is work my own tree by locating those papers or books which the
people who work on medieval genealogy, TAG, NEHGS, and the Lineage Societies have agreed
are acceptable book sources. And, where I can, I do order the record myself through the
Family History Catalog, of records or books they have microfilmed. The Cleveland and
Cleveland books are on this approved list of reliable books.
I take all LDS information, and OP Work (other people's), then do the only thing a genie
can do, prove it to myself with documents that have been listed as acceptable by
medieval research scholars. I did not mean the LDS had done or supplied any of the
information in those Cleveland books, only that they have filmed the C&C books, and we
can order them through their library, since they do lend the films. The other records
you are referring to as LDS records, I believe, are Ancestries supplied by individuals,
and therefore, totally 'fallible', meaning we have to do the follow up on those "leads".
LDS (I'm non LDS member, but am a volunteer in their genealogy library locally) does
have three separate areas of files for our use. The Family History Catalog is of films
they have of books or courthouse, or church and other records. The IGI is made up of
records submitted from gleaning information in worldwide church and courthouse records
for Marriage and Birth records. It doesn't cover deaths. It does also include those
same items submitted by Individuals, so if you look at IGI you want to pay attention to
WHAT source is being cited. If it shows a church records, you can be pretty sure it's a
good record and you can order it yourself. If it's from an individual, again, it's
"buyer beware", but we might find the submitter did good work after we check it out. And
the last thing is Ancestral Files, which is what we individuals send in and only as good
as our own work. So, again use it, but only as a lead to real records, not as infallible
fact.
I use LDS all the time, but only if I want a guide, and advise all new genealogists to
do the same. Those records might be good, but like FTW World Trees, or great granny's
say-so, it's one and same kettle. Online cousin contacts can help us find records
nowdays, but we still have to check it out for ourselves, the only way to do good
genealogy. Nothing substitutes for Do It Yourself Genealogy, and real records, all time
consuming, tiring work, but super wonderful when you find The Real Thing.
As for Moses, I have looked at 1638 tax lists in book form, and did find an Isaac there,
with a variant spelling of last name, but definitely a Cleveland man. He was the only
one in the entire county tax list, but our Moses was already here. One thing about that
bothered me, there were NO Winn family around, at all, anyplace in the county on that
1638 list. With Moses marrying Anne, you would maybe think there would be a Cleveland
and a Winn family someplace in a whole county. Not one Winn. I believe a lot of the
early church records have been destroyed and I have searched in vain so far, for the St.
Stephen's records referred to by LDS. Truth is, I haven't looked at it lately to see if
anyone actually has found a lead to the right tree for him. I have not yet gotten
around to looking for any record which might involve court proceedings listing this
Isaac, to see what I could learn of him.
One lead to Moses over in England, to me, anyway, may be the fact that another of Edward
Winn's daughters married prior to Anne, and over in England. I was looking at the
children of Edward for leads to Moses records, when I happened to think I need to check
the county the elder sister married in. Maybe Moses was there with some other
Cleveland's. Edward was a ship builder. Moses did that sort of work as apprentice. So
did the sister's new husband. Would think of proximity being a necessary ingredient to
Moses finding work with Edward. I think more search on Edward Winn will lead to Moses
records in England. That's my surmise, anyhow, until I prove myself wrong :)
I have seen some old notes at LDS connecting Moses to England, but they were done way
back when..... Being from Basic Missouri Mule stock, I want to see proof that is
acceptable to those who know, or my own eyes. I want very much for someone to locate
the right lines now that we have instant access to other cousins working the upper
branches. As for the lines I work on, I can tell you that I have found that two of those
upper Cleveland lines listed in the C& C books do indeed run back to medieval time
periods Vessey, and Joscelyn, as accepted by those who do know those old antique
genealogies. I am working in 1500's on many lines now, and earlier on some others, and
so far, so good. I refer to the Cleveland works held in repute by New England
Historical and Genealogical Society, a top drawer society for USA early New England
people. I believe anyone working with that particular set of books is going to find out
the same thing, that they are an excellent source for Cleveland work.
And, now, to retire quietly away back to my real work, retirement, and a super busy
schedule.
Billye D. Cleveland Jackson (also a Doubting Thomasina)
These following names have all passed scrutiny and helped me gain membership into CD17
(John Porter), DAR (Josiah Cleveland), DAC (Aaron Porter), and working on membership
application in another society (William Westwood), plus a lot names on supplementals
have also been approved.
Documentation for these groups was proven by following up leads provided in the C&C
books, plus more research into records.
I wonder about not being able to trace before Moses, the Immigrant, to
those over in England. Recently on LSD site it listed both Moses
grandfather and greatgrandfather. Don't know the actual documentation
used to determine this and I know a lot of lineage we see on internet is
just wishful thinking. Some of the branches on some of the wives sides
went back as far as the 1100s. But as I say, I don't necessarly believe
everything I see on the internet.
Thanks for letting me put in my two cents worth.
Patrick W. Cleveland
Billye D. Jackson wrote:
>
> The very best source for anyone hunting a Cleveland, or any of the allied lines is
> one series of books, which can be ordered on microfilm through your nearest LDS
> library. There are three rolls of microfilm, and you have to have all three to
> find your people or to get leads for them. The index is in book three, but the
> genealogies run across all three volumes. Plus, it gives the earliest Cleveland
> ancestry known,
>
> There is NO connection past Moses Cleveland, the Immigrant, to those over in
> England, but plenty of English Cleveland records and lines. Surmises, are there
> as to his ancestry, but this book was done in 1899. There are some others, too,
> which can be ordered via LDS. Moses is the Immigrant ancestor of all New England
> Cleveland families, so far as I know.
>
> I hope these will be helpful to you all. They can be ordered on Indefinite Loan
> so they will not have to be sent back to Salt Lake and you can go visit your film
> at your local LDS Family Center as much as you like, and you will have to go often
> to see it all.
>
> I don't have the Catalog number, but you could look it up on the Internet page at
> http://www.familysearch.org and get it. You will have to visit your nearest LDS
> Family Center to order it.
> short term loan is some $3.50 (but this is a HUGE work) indefinite loan is $10.00
>
> I do not have the microfilm number handy. You can find it by checking under
> Surname's
>
> The Genealogy of the Cleveland and Cleaveland Families
> Edmund Janes Cleveland and Horace Gillette Cleveland
> Published 1899, Hartford, CT
> Illustrated, three volumes.
>
> It mentions that it is
> "an attempt to trace in both the male and female lines, the posterity of Moses
> Cleveland who came from Ipswich, County Suffolk, England, about 1635, was of
> Woburn, Middlesex County, Massachusetts; of Alexander Cleveland of Prince William
> County, Virginia; and of Ancient and Other Cleveland's in England, America, and
> Elsewhere; with numerous biographical sketches; and containing Ancestries of Many
> of the Husbands and Wives. Also a Bibliography of the Cleveland Family and a
> Genealogical Account of Edward Winn of Woburn, and of other Winn Families."
>
> I can tell you in doing my lineage application work, and finding my own lines,
> MOST of it has been proven absolutely correct, with only few and very minor errors
> here and there. They have made a remarkably huge collection of some 1000 pages
> per each book, of our Cleveland's, and did not overlook our maternal lines. It is
> an accepted source for anyone doing Cleveland research, by all lineage groups.
> Very reliable. Plus, it has all those other female lines, and there is a
> multitude of hundreds of those allied lines, and all those are also proven to be
> correct, on the upper lines of ancestry. You'd never think to look here to find
> them.
>
> There are a couple of others available through LDS, too. I forget the title of
> the one on Benjamin Cleveland, southern lines, I think. I don't have lines in
> that one so don't have it. But, you can get it if you do. I do have one called
> "The Cleivelands of Leicestershire, England" and got it from LDS, also. It is a
> reprint of an article from the New England Historical and Genealogical Register
> for April 1885. (NEHGS) and was given them by H. G. Cleveland, Esq., of Cleveland,
> Ohio. One of the collaborators of that major genealogy done with Edmund.
>
> The C & C Genealogy has been a gold mine for my own work. I recommend them to
> you. I sure wish it was online for us all. Three thousand pages, though!
>
> Billye D. Cleveland Jackson
>
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> Rootsweb Donor
Sandra, I have a very large genealogy chart done by a person back in 1984, which I
picked up at a book sale at some library or other, and don't recall exactly
where. It does have the Jeremiah you are after on it, so maybe if you can find
out if this person is still alive he/she (probably a she) might have done more
research since then. This chart shows this gentleman going from Alexander (Sr.
not given, no wife listed, says b ab 1617, To Pr. Wm. Co., VA from Eng.) >
Alexander, Jr. (lists b ab 1659, d age 111, m. Milly Presby, who d. age 103) >
Jeremiah (b 1701 in VA, no other information) >Jacob (b 6 May 1739 Culpeper Co.,
VA d 1790 Elbert Co., GA, m Milly White, b 20 Mar 1739 d 1806. dau. of Col.
Jeremiah & Mary Martin White) > Jacob Cleveland (b 25 Jan 1772 VA, d 1843, Henry
Co., GA, m. Martha Rhoda Lyons) > James Madison Cleveland ( b 1812 SC, d 1880,
AR, m Elizabeth Jackson, b 1814 (no rel. to my husband's); James Rice Cleveland (b
21 May 1845, d 18 Nov 1906, m 1. Lucinda T. Gardner Dickens, m. 2. Emma Francis
Herrington, b 16 Jan 1849, d 18 Oct 1890.)
Chart is filled out by Wessie R. Davis, Rt. 2, Box 439 C, Heber Springs, AR,
72543, August 1984.
This is all I know of it. Hope the contact name might lead to other sources for
you.
Billye D. Cleveland Jackson
The very best source for anyone hunting a Cleveland, or any of the allied lines is
one series of books, which can be ordered on microfilm through your nearest LDS
library. There are three rolls of microfilm, and you have to have all three to
find your people or to get leads for them. The index is in book three, but the
genealogies run across all three volumes. Plus, it gives the earliest Cleveland
ancestry known,
There is NO connection past Moses Cleveland, the Immigrant, to those over in
England, but plenty of English Cleveland records and lines. Surmises, are there
as to his ancestry, but this book was done in 1899. There are some others, too,
which can be ordered via LDS. Moses is the Immigrant ancestor of all New England
Cleveland families, so far as I know.
I hope these will be helpful to you all. They can be ordered on Indefinite Loan
so they will not have to be sent back to Salt Lake and you can go visit your film
at your local LDS Family Center as much as you like, and you will have to go often
to see it all.
I don't have the Catalog number, but you could look it up on the Internet page at
http://www.familysearch.org and get it. You will have to visit your nearest LDS
Family Center to order it.
short term loan is some $3.50 (but this is a HUGE work) indefinite loan is $10.00
I do not have the microfilm number handy. You can find it by checking under
Surname's
The Genealogy of the Cleveland and Cleaveland Families
Edmund Janes Cleveland and Horace Gillette Cleveland
Published 1899, Hartford, CT
Illustrated, three volumes.
It mentions that it is
"an attempt to trace in both the male and female lines, the posterity of Moses
Cleveland who came from Ipswich, County Suffolk, England, about 1635, was of
Woburn, Middlesex County, Massachusetts; of Alexander Cleveland of Prince William
County, Virginia; and of Ancient and Other Cleveland's in England, America, and
Elsewhere; with numerous biographical sketches; and containing Ancestries of Many
of the Husbands and Wives. Also a Bibliography of the Cleveland Family and a
Genealogical Account of Edward Winn of Woburn, and of other Winn Families."
I can tell you in doing my lineage application work, and finding my own lines,
MOST of it has been proven absolutely correct, with only few and very minor errors
here and there. They have made a remarkably huge collection of some 1000 pages
per each book, of our Cleveland's, and did not overlook our maternal lines. It is
an accepted source for anyone doing Cleveland research, by all lineage groups.
Very reliable. Plus, it has all those other female lines, and there is a
multitude of hundreds of those allied lines, and all those are also proven to be
correct, on the upper lines of ancestry. You'd never think to look here to find
them.
There are a couple of others available through LDS, too. I forget the title of
the one on Benjamin Cleveland, southern lines, I think. I don't have lines in
that one so don't have it. But, you can get it if you do. I do have one called
"The Cleivelands of Leicestershire, England" and got it from LDS, also. It is a
reprint of an article from the New England Historical and Genealogical Register
for April 1885. (NEHGS) and was given them by H. G. Cleveland, Esq., of Cleveland,
Ohio. One of the collaborators of that major genealogy done with Edmund.
The C & C Genealogy has been a gold mine for my own work. I recommend them to
you. I sure wish it was online for us all. Three thousand pages, though!
Billye D. Cleveland Jackson
Gail, My great aunt and mother joined the DAR through the service of
Reverend John Cleveland. Most of my documentation comes from this
paperwork, mainly my direct line. I filed in some of the outer branches
from Family Tree Maker WFT vol. 7, #0784 including Jeremiah. You are
welcome to a copy of my file if you can use Family Tree Maker. Just let me
know if I can help, Terese
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From: gail barnfather <gailturner(a)webtv.net>
To: CLEVELAND-SURNAME-L(a)rootsweb.com <CLEVELAND-SURNAME-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Friday, October 08, 1999 10:44 AM
Subject: Jeremiah Cleveland
Teresa
Saw your posting of Jeremiah Cleveland which stated that he married
Sarah Mimms. Where did you find this info? Sure woud like to have it.
I am a descendant of Talitha Alin Cleveland James H. ,Rice, Jacob
Jr, Jacob Sr., Jeremiah & Alexander.
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Teresa
Saw your posting of Jeremiah Cleveland which stated that he married
Sarah Mimms. Where did you find this info? Sure woud like to have it.
I am a descendant of Talitha Alin Cleveland James H. ,Rice, Jacob
Jr, Jacob Sr., Jeremiah & Alexander.
Sandra, I am wading through old e-mail and wondered if you got replies on
the background of Roger and Dorcas? I had Alexander's parent as Alexander
Cleveland, Sr b. 1617 to 1620 in Clifflands, Yorkshire, ENgland d.1700 in
Prince William Co, VA married abt 1645 to Lady Elizabeth Axminster b.1625 in
England and died abt 1680 in Occoquan, Prince William Co, VA. Children:
Alexander Jr., John, and Elizabeth. Some of the earlier Cleveland dates
seems off so maybe Roger and Dorcas fit in. I do have Alexander and Mildred
Presley having a son Jeremiah b. abt 1711 in Bull Run, Orange Co, VA d. 1791
in Prince William Co, VA married to Sarah Simms b. 1712. THey had a son
named Reuben. Other children of Alexander and Mildred are Alexander,
Micajah, John, Grace, William, Benjamin, Jane, and Elizabeth. Have more
info on these and dates. I am descended through Lucinda Cleveland (William,
Rev. John, John, Alexander). I don't have a Wyatt Cleveland, but let me
knoe if I can help, Terese Mitchell
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From: Sandra Long <sandragl(a)avana.net>
To: CLEVELAND-SURNAME-L(a)rootsweb.com <CLEVELAND-SURNAME-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 8:52 PM
Subject: Re: Roger Cleveland
>No, sorry that is all I have on this line for Roger and Dorcas. Don't know
>when he died or where he was born other than in 1617. Know nothing on
>Dorcas not even her last name.
>
>Do you know when and where Alexander Cleveland and Mildred Presley were
>married? Do you know when and where Alexander Cleveland died? Do you know
>anything about their children? Do you know anything about their son
>Jeremiah Cleveland or their children?
>
>Do you know anything about Wyatt Cleveland? I would appreciate any help
you
>can give me.
>
>Thank you so much.
>
>Sandra Long
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: gail barnfather <gailturner(a)webtv.net>
>To: <CLEVELAND-SURNAME-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Sent: Sunday, August 22, 1999 7:47 PM
>Subject: Re: Roger Cleveland
>
>
>> Hi Sandra
>> I am of the Alexander & Mildred Cleveland line and have seen info
>> alluding to the fact that Roger may be his Father and the Immigrant
>> --but no proof posative----do you have additional info to share on
>> Roger?
>>
>>
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