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Thank you for your response. Everyone is entitled to their opinion and now
we all know how you feel about it.
Have a good day.
Sharon Bryant
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From: "Penny Serrato" <red5158077(a)sbcglobal.net>
To: <CLENDINEN(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:05 PM
Subject: [CLENDINEN] mis information
> You know information posted in someones family tree be it correct or not
> is their information and not for you or anyone else to tell them to
> correct it. Unless you lived at that place at that time you , me or anyone
> else does not know what is correct or not. I say if it's wrong so be it,
> if it's correct so be it, doesn't matter especially if it causes someone
> to get angry. I never get angry if some one has something in my tree
> posted on their tree incorrectly, it's not my tree it's theirs. I worry
> about my tree and my tree only because that is the one I am passing to my
> children and grand children and that's the only one that matters. Don't be
> a Genealogy Snob, share and move on.....
>
> Penny D Nordin Clendennen Serrato
> Independent Beauty Consultant
> http://www.marykay.com/pserrato1
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You know information posted in someones family tree be it correct or not is their information and not for you or anyone else to tell them to correct it. Unless you lived at that place at that time you , me or anyone else does not know what is correct or not. I say if it's wrong so be it, if it's correct so be it, doesn't matter especially if it causes someone to get angry. I never get angry if some one has something in my tree posted on their tree incorrectly, it's not my tree it's theirs. I worry about my tree and my tree only because that is the one I am passing to my children and grand children and that's the only one that matters. Don't be a Genealogy Snob, share and move on.....
Penny D Nordin Clendennen Serrato
Independent Beauty Consultant
http://www.marykay.com/pserrato1
Oh yes.
I forgot. I have another gentleman who I match 32 markers with 2 genetic
distances who's ancestor came from Holland b. 1590
which timewise, puts us about right about 1608 with a 96% probability of a
common ancestor.
Brian
Hi Betty.
Thanks for responding.
Yes, it's your brother who's a match of mine!
I used to think that the McVitties etc.. were a close relation to my family
and that it was just a variation of the name. It probably is since I have
seen it spelled different ways on the same documents....
But I find facinating is that the one McVittie that is in my DNA list of
matches is so far away and yet the Glendennings so close. Mavity could also
be a form of Beatty and I have also seen this explanation many times. This
one is from "The Fermanagh Story" by Peader Livingstone:
"BEATTY Beatty is a Scottish form of Batey. It is also an anglicisation of
the Irish name, Mac an Bhiataigh (son of the victualler). It is sometimes
written McVitty. Other forms are Beattie, Beaty, Batey. There are about
4,000 Beattys in Ireland today. In Fermanagh there were 216 Beatty voters in
1962 and 50 McVittys. There were many Beatty tenants in the early days of
the Plantation, and they were distributed all over the county : John,
Walter, Hugh, David, Alexander, William, George and Robert at Sir Gerard
Lowther's estate in Lurg; Thomas with Cole in Magheraboy; Thomas and John
with Sir Ralph Gore...."
There is a Beatty that is on a 37 marker test with 3 genetic distance.
That's way away's around the 1500's for a 94% probability of a common
ancestor.
The son named William I mentioned, was an educated lad of some kind. He was
b. 8 Nov 1747. A date I can't find written anywhere. It must of been in
some forgotten family bible somewhere. He was 18 when they came to America
and he became Sgt Major at 34 of the local militia unit during the Seige of
Yorktown in 1781. He kept a diary and records for the militia. Pretty
extensive. He also was involved witnessing other peoples wills etc... I
wouldn't think somebody that couldn't read or write would have such status
back then.
I'm guessing we were all kin back in the 1500's and 1600's and my folks went
to N Ireland when the reiver era ended. Don't know if it was willingly or
not.
Here is a site of a McVittie family in Dumfriesshire
http://www.mcvittie.co.uk/Tree.htm that have been around since the mid 17th
century.
I know we all connect, just wish I knew how.
Take care.
Brian Mavity
----- Original Message -----
From: "betty o'reilly" <bettymarg30(a)hotmail.com>
To: <clendinen(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:18 AM
Subject: Re: [CLENDINEN] Mavity/McVittie to Clendinen connection?
> Hello Brian,
>
> My name is Betty O'Reilly and I have been instrumental in setting up the
> DNA tests for my brother William Angus Glendinning whom I believe is a
> match for yours. I have to say that the names, Mavity/McVittie have not
> shown up in any of my research. As yet there is no Irish connection, I
> married into one! Our family are from the Borders and as far as I believe
> only one went up to Argyll in the 1850"s. My earliest record is of Robert
> Glendinond who married Mary Helm in CAVERS in 1744,although I do not have
> proof of this, by my GGG/grandfather Thomas Glendinning's siblings, it
> appears this is so.
>
> My father came out to Australia in 1911 and my three brothers and myself
> were born here. He went back to Scotland in 1955 for a trip and I have
> been over to visit on three occasions now. I am happy to give you any
> information I have and I am in communication with Canadian Glendinnings
> who are my relatives.
>
> I look forward to hearing from you .
>
> Bye for now
>
> Betty
>
>
>
>> From: mavityre(a)comcast.net> To: CLENDINEN(a)rootsweb.com> Date: Tue, 29 Jul
>> 2008 07:25:14 -0700> Subject: [CLENDINEN] Mavity/McVittie to Clendinen
>> connection?> > Greetigs folks.> > My name is Brian Mavity and I recently
>> had a DNA test done with the results showing matches to the Glendennings
>> and the other variations mostly from Dumfriesshire, Scotland.> > The
>> earliest I know of my Mavity family is Robert Mavity married Margaret
>> Morton, they had a son named William b 8 Nov 1747 in N. Ireland. They
>> came to America in 1765.> > The DNA results put a common ancestor between
>> my family and the Glendennings around the 1600's with a 95% probability
>> rate.> I have seen many McVitties in the same area so I'm guessing that's
>> where the connection is. I'm also guessing that my family went to
>> N.Ireland around 1690 since there is no record of any variation of the
>> name before that.> Popular family history has my ancestor fighting at the
>> Boyne for William of Orange in Ireland.> Does anybody ha!
> ve any information on the connection?> > Thank you so much in advance.> >
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Greetigs folks.
My name is Brian Mavity and I recently had a DNA test done with the results showing matches to the Glendennings and the other variations mostly from Dumfriesshire, Scotland.
The earliest I know of my Mavity family is Robert Mavity married Margaret Morton, they had a son named William b 8 Nov 1747 in N. Ireland. They came to America in 1765.
The DNA results put a common ancestor between my family and the Glendennings around the 1600's with a 95% probability rate.
I have seen many McVitties in the same area so I'm guessing that's where the connection is. I'm also guessing that my family went to N.Ireland around 1690 since there is no record of any variation of the name before that.
Popular family history has my ancestor fighting at the Boyne for William of Orange in Ireland.
Does anybody have any information on the connection?
Thank you so much in advance.
Brian Mavity
California
Sharon,
Thank you for the information. I did not take offence at your very
good answers, but when I said Nelly impacted her brothers' lives, I meant it
in a good way. After all Alexander named her son, John Cantrell, his will's
administrator and called him his nephew and friend and she lived close by
her brothers all her life.
Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: clendinen-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clendinen-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Sharon Bryant
Sent: Saturday, July 26, 2008 12:03 PM
To: clendinen(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CLENDINEN] For Virginia re Nellie Clendenin Stephenson
Virginia,
I'm going to take this public forum to post an apology to you for having
flown off the handle.
Your question was innocent enough. It was only when I attempted to access
the information at the WorldConnect website that I became angry. The gedcom
which apparently gave the original misinformation has been removed from
WorldConnect. There is no way to contact the poster to ask them to correct
it.
Then I saw, as you did, what appeared to be many other gedcoms which
perpetuated the misinformation. They were basically from two people who must
not be aware that there is a mechanism in place to remove or edit previously
posted gedcoms.
I have spent over 20 years researching the Clendenins. I was taught that if
it could not be substantiated with a public document then it was not a
"fact" but only a supposition.
I have copies of original documents -- marriage records, wills, death
records (where available), census records, deeds, parish records, etc. I
have in the past hired a researcher in Scotland to help dig out some of
those primary records. I have obtained photocopies of microfilmed records in
Scotland. I have paid for hours of on-line time to search records from the
official Scots records. I have done the same for information from England
and Ireland.
I have freely shared the information I have found with anyone who has asked.
I continue to do that with the Clendenin Family Research website and the DNA
project, and three mailing lists devoted to this surname.
I just have a hair-triggered button to seeing incorrect information posted
on the Internet. Once it is there it is "chiseled in stone" regardless of
how incorrect it is. I have seen information on other family websites about
the Clendenins that I know is incorrect. But when I write and tell the
poster it is incorrect and ask them to correct it, I never hear from them or
I hear that they don't have time, stand by the information, etc.
In regards to your statement about an impact on her brothers I don't think
it did. The Mason Co., WV records show that some of them ran for public
office and had to be bonded. George Stephenson's name shows up there as
standing surety for these men.
George Clendenin continued to speculate in large quantities of land as did
his brother, William. George died insolvent leaving his widow with zip,
zilch, not a penny. A matter of public record. Nellie's "behavior" didn't
stop George's daughter from marrying John Cantrell.
Cantrell became an attorney and was given power of attorney by the
Stephenson kids when George's estate was settled. Even by those living in
Kentucky and Indiana at the time.
Who knows why Hamilton didn't marry Nellie? At least he acknowledged Andrew
Jr. and it appears as though he raised him or someone from the Hamilton
family did. That is also a matter of public record.
And John Cantrell's father? Well, we have to stop and think about the time
and place in which they were living. At that time a fertile woman, a proven
mother, was a valuable commodity. For all we know Cantrell's father and
Nellie were planning to be married (supposition) but that in some fashion
those plans fell apart. Did he even know Nellie was pregnant? Did he know
and wasn't able to get back to her? Did he know and just didn't care? Was he
killed by Indians or died in some other fashion?
All we know for a fact is that she had a son who bore the Cantrell name, not
the Clendenin name, who was trusted by other members of the family to handle
their legal affairs and who became successful.
She gave George Stephenson a houseful of kids who lived and prospered.
Oh, by the way, when I input George and Nellie's name for a WorldConnect
search there was a Daniel Stephenson attributed to them. No information --
just his name. Another bit of misinformation? Who knows! I didn't find his
name in any of the public records.
Sharon
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Virginia,
I'm going to take this public forum to post an apology to you for having
flown off the handle.
Your question was innocent enough. It was only when I attempted to access
the information at the WorldConnect website that I became angry. The gedcom
which apparently gave the original misinformation has been removed from
WorldConnect. There is no way to contact the poster to ask them to correct
it.
Then I saw, as you did, what appeared to be many other gedcoms which
perpetuated the misinformation. They were basically from two people who must
not be aware that there is a mechanism in place to remove or edit previously
posted gedcoms.
I have spent over 20 years researching the Clendenins. I was taught that if
it could not be substantiated with a public document then it was not a
"fact" but only a supposition.
I have copies of original documents -- marriage records, wills, death
records (where available), census records, deeds, parish records, etc. I
have in the past hired a researcher in Scotland to help dig out some of
those primary records. I have obtained photocopies of microfilmed records in
Scotland. I have paid for hours of on-line time to search records from the
official Scots records. I have done the same for information from England
and Ireland.
I have freely shared the information I have found with anyone who has asked.
I continue to do that with the Clendenin Family Research website and the DNA
project, and three mailing lists devoted to this surname.
I just have a hair-triggered button to seeing incorrect information posted
on the Internet. Once it is there it is "chiseled in stone" regardless of
how incorrect it is. I have seen information on other family websites about
the Clendenins that I know is incorrect. But when I write and tell the
poster it is incorrect and ask them to correct it, I never hear from them or
I hear that they don't have time, stand by the information, etc.
In regards to your statement about an impact on her brothers I don't think
it did. The Mason Co., WV records show that some of them ran for public
office and had to be bonded. George Stephenson's name shows up there as
standing surety for these men.
George Clendenin continued to speculate in large quantities of land as did
his brother, William. George died insolvent leaving his widow with zip,
zilch, not a penny. A matter of public record. Nellie's "behavior" didn't
stop George's daughter from marrying John Cantrell.
Cantrell became an attorney and was given power of attorney by the
Stephenson kids when George's estate was settled. Even by those living in
Kentucky and Indiana at the time.
Who knows why Hamilton didn't marry Nellie? At least he acknowledged Andrew
Jr. and it appears as though he raised him or someone from the Hamilton
family did. That is also a matter of public record.
And John Cantrell's father? Well, we have to stop and think about the time
and place in which they were living. At that time a fertile woman, a proven
mother, was a valuable commodity. For all we know Cantrell's father and
Nellie were planning to be married (supposition) but that in some fashion
those plans fell apart. Did he even know Nellie was pregnant? Did he know
and wasn't able to get back to her? Did he know and just didn't care? Was he
killed by Indians or died in some other fashion?
All we know for a fact is that she had a son who bore the Cantrell name, not
the Clendenin name, who was trusted by other members of the family to handle
their legal affairs and who became successful.
She gave George Stephenson a houseful of kids who lived and prospered.
Oh, by the way, when I input George and Nellie's name for a WorldConnect
search there was a Daniel Stephenson attributed to them. No information --
just his name. Another bit of misinformation? Who knows! I didn't find his
name in any of the public records.
Sharon
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Virginia,
I am going to do something I never do.
I AM GOING TO YELL. NOT AT YOU BUT AT THESE IDIOTS WHO DO NOT STOP AND THINK
BEFORE THEY POST CRAP ON THE INTERNET.
I checked some of the submitters and at least one of the names threw me for
a loop because he was and may still be a member of the mailing list.
Nellie Clendenin Stephenson was dead before the 1830 census. She did not
give birth to anyone in 1841, including a Jane Wilson .
If you are on this list and are a guilty party take your Gedcom off of
WorldConnect.
It is well documented that she gave birth to Andrew Hamilton Jr. per his
father's will which stipulates Jr.'s mother was Nellie Clendenin Stephenson.
In another instance, she is credited with a daughter named Eleanor Jemima
Cantrell. Ellen or Eleanor Jemima Cantrell was Nellie Stephenson's
granddaughter, not her daughter. Ellen/Eleanor's parents were John Cantrell
and his wife, Mary "Polly" Clendenin, d/o of George and Jemima Clendenin and
named for her grandmothers.
Do not believe everything you read in Meigs' book. No marriage has ever been
found between Nellie Clendenin Stephenson and a Hamilton, Cantrell, or
Wilson.
Where does this crap come from?
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Virginia Rahal" <v-rahal(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: "'Sharon Bryant'" <SharonBryant(a)cox.net>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:04 PM
Subject: RE: [CLENDINEN] Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>I found several references to John Wilson and his daughter Jane Wilson at
> World Connect under Mary Eleanor (Ellen) Clendenin. In some instances Jane
> Wilson's birth date is given as 1841 which have made Nelly about ninety at
> her birth.
> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=davidgilfilen&id=I
> 11229
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sharon Bryant [mailto:SharonBryant@cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:11 PM
> To: Virginia Rahal
> Subject: Re: [CLENDINEN] Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>
> Whoa.... what other trees to be found where? That doesn't make any sense
> whatsoever.
>
> That marriage date for George Stephenson and Nellie is a definite. I have
> a
> copy of the marriage record from Greenbrier Co.
>
> I do not have a date of birth for Andrew Hamilton.
>
> George died bef Feb 1831 in Mason Co. The 1830 census for Mason Co. shows
> Benjamin tephenson (30-40), Clendinen Stephenson (20-30), George
> Stephenson
>
> (30-40), James Stephenson (30-40), Susanna Stephenson (Robert's
> widow)(30-40) next door to Clendinen, and William Stephenson (40-50). That
> accounts for all children with the exception of Charles Stephenson, my
> ancestor who is apparently dead between 1827 and 1829 in Clark Co., KY and
> Mary Stephenson Peck, w/o Jacob Peck.
>
> For kicks and giggles I checked the 1830 census for a John Wilson in Mason
> Co. and came up with zip as I had expected to.
>
> George's inventory order did not indicate that Nellie was still alive.
>
> I would really like to see the trees that gave this Jane Wilson as
> Nellie's
> daughter. Can you give me the URLs?
>
> Sharon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Virginia Rahal" <v-rahal(a)cfl.rr.com>
> To: "'Sharon Bryant'" <SharonBryant(a)cox.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 4:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [CLENDINEN] Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>
>
>> Sharon,
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Incredibly enough, I found the mention in other trees (no hard
>> evidence) of John Wilson as being the father of Jane Wilson born in 1804
>> with Nelly Clendenin Stephenson given as the mother. Nelly would have
>> been
>> about 53 at the time and her husband George Stephenson was presumably
>> still
>> living.
>> Let me see if I have these presumed births right: 1. Andrew
>> Hamilton- 1776 when Nelly was about 25, 2. John Cantrell-1780 when Nelly
>> was
>> 29,
>> 3. George Stephenson-married about 1782 when Nelly was about 31, several
>> children with Stevenson, and 4. Jane Wilson-1804 when Nelly was about 53.
>>
>> I don't mean to imply that this is correct especially about Wilson,
>> but I'd like find out.
>>
>> Virginia
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sharon Bryant [mailto:SharonBryant@cox.net]
>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 3:49 PM
>> To: Virginia Rahal
>> Subject: Fw: [CLENDINEN] Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sharon Bryant" <SharonBryant(a)cox.net>
>> To: <clendinen(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CLENDINEN] Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>>
>>
>>> Virginia,
>>>
>>> You better believe we have discussed Nellie in the past. I am a
>>> Stephenson-Clendenin descendant. (Please it is spelled with a "ph" vs
>>> "v".
>>> The Scots used the ph while the English used the v. I've got so much
>>> Scots
>>> in me you can almost hear the bagpipes. :>) )
>>>
>>> Nellie and George were married 20 Dec 1782 so there is a possiblity that
>>> the
>>> second baseborn child was my ancestor, Charles Stephenson.
>>>
>>> John Cantrell is supposed to have been born 17 Sep 1780 so he would be
>>> the
>>> first one listed below.
>>>
>>> As far as Andrew Hamilton is concerned - I don't know who raised him.
>>> But
>>> he
>>> was old enough when his father died to request a specific individual as
>>> a
>>> guardian.
>>>
>>> I found this in one of my files:
>>>
>>> Stinson, Helen. Early Court Records of Greenbrier Co.
>>>
>>> p. 1: 22 Nov 1780. Grand jury made the following presentments: Elinor
>>> Clendenning for having a base born child.
>>>
>>> p. 8: 22 May 1782. Elinor Clendenen indicted for having a bastard
>>> child --
>>> to pay court wardens of Botetourt Parish 50 shillings or 500 lbs.
>>> tobacco
>>> and cash for use of the poor in that Parish.
>>>
>>> Letter from Marilyn Schuelzky, 25 Aug 1983:
>>>
>>> "Will of Andrew Hamilton (Will Book I, p 117, Greenbrier Co., WV) reads
>>> as
>>> follows (in part): 'I give and bequeath to my son Andrew Hamilton, got
>>> on
>>> the body of Nelly Clendinnen, now the wife of George Stephenson, my
>>> Negro
>>> man by the name of Manwell and My Negro woman, his wife, by the name of
>>> Freany, and her child, name Charles, and also my Negro boy by the name
>>> of
>>> George and the plantation whereon he now lives, to him, the said Andrew
>>> Hamilton, and his heirs forever; and my will is that the said Negros
>>> shall
>>> live and keep full possession of the land they now live on until my son
>>> Andrew Hamilton comes to lawful age....' Will made 14 Mar 1796,
>>> prob(ated)
>>> June court, 1796."
>>>
>>> "June 1796. Greenbrier Court Records. Andrew Hamilton, orphan of Andrew
>>> Hamilton, deceased, chose Samuel Brown, guardian and James Reid,
>>> security.
>>> [Note: These were Greenbrier people -- Reid was co-executor of Andrew,
>>> Sr.'s
>>> will with Andrew's nephew, Moses Mann.]
>>>
>>> Chalkley, Vol. II, p. 25, Apr 1799. Gamble & Grattan [merchants in Bath
>>> Co.,
>>> VA., and Staunton, Augusta Co.) vs Andrew Hamilton's estate. From Bath.
>>> Account for necessaries furnished Andrew, son of Col. Andrew Hamilton,
>>> running from 1795.
>>>
>>> "In 1800 Andrew Jr married Sarah C. Selden in Botetourt Co., VA, and, in
>>> 1806 Mrs. E Selden sold land to Andrew Hamilton 'who married my
>>> daughter,
>>> Sally.' From a genealogy of the Seldens, 'Sarah married Andrew Hamilton
>>> at
>>> the home of her sister, Mrs. James (Ann) Breckenridge of Grave Hill,
>>> Botetourt Co., ' A letter from Cary Selden, father of Sarah, said that
>>> 'Sarah married Andrew Hamilton, a very amiable young man.'
>>>
>>> page 2, 25 Aug 1983:
>>>
>>> In 1805, in Greenbrier Co., Andrew Hamilton, Jr. , sold 350 acres of the
>>> 400
>>> acres left to him by will of his father, Andrew Hamilton the Elder, on
>>> contract to Charles McClung and gave him a final deed in 1815. Sarah did
>>> not
>>> chose to journey to Greenbrier Co., to sign this, so some Botetourt men
>>> were
>>> dispatched to her home to obtain her signature. This land was on the Big
>>> Levels, around Lewisburg, evidently the same 400 acres granted to Andrew
>>> Sr., in 1795, Dyer's Index to Land Grants, Greenbrier Co., Book 3, page
>>> 410.
>>>
>>> I have never heard of an involvement between Nellie and a "Mr. Wilson."
>>>
>>> How/why did you become interested in Nellie's escapades?
>>>
>>> Sharon
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Virginia Rahal" <v-rahal(a)cfl.rr.com>
>>> To: <Clendinen-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:40 AM
>>> Subject: [CLENDINEN] Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mary Ellen AKA Eleanor or Nelly Clendenin, a daughter of the
>>>> immigrant Charles, seems to have been involved with some other men
>>>> before
>>>> her marriage to George Stevenson. It seems she had sons, Andrew
>>>> Hamilton
>>>> and
>>>> John Cantrell, before she married and there seems to be a Mr. Wilson
>>>> mentioned as one of her lovers. It appears Cantrell was raised by her
>>>> and
>>>> her family as per later documents, but Hamilton was not. In fact,
>>>> Cantrell
>>>> married the daughter of George Clendenin. Mary Ellen's brother. I
>>>> don't
>>>> know how she fared with Wilson.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The only evidence I can find in the records about any of
>>>> this
>>>> is
>>>> a mention in Chalkey's about Hamilton. I know this topic has been
>>>> visited
>>>> on
>>>> the list in the past. Can someone tell me where I can find the
>>>> evidence?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virginia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
_____
From: Virginia Rahal [mailto:v-rahal@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:41 AM
To: 'Clendinen-L(a)rootsweb.com'
Subject: Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
Mary Ellen AKA Eleanor or Nelly Clendenin, a daughter of the
immigrant Charles, seems to have been involved with some other men before
her marriage to George Stevenson. It seems she had sons, Andrew Hamilton and
John Cantrell, before she married and there seems to be a Mr. Wilson
mentioned as one of her lovers. It appears Cantrell was raised by her and
her family as per later documents, but Hamilton was not. In fact, Cantrell
married the daughter of George Clendenin. Mary Ellen's brother. I don't
know how she fared with Wilson.
The only evidence I can find in the records about any of this is
a mention in Chalkey's about Hamilton. I know this topic has been visited on
the list in the past. Can someone tell me where I can find the evidence?
Virginia
Virginia,
You better believe we have discussed Nellie in the past. I am a
Stephenson-Clendenin descendant. (Please it is spelled with a "ph" vs "v".
The Scots used the ph while the English used the v. I've got so much Scots
in me you can almost hear the bagpipes. :>) )
Nellie and George were married 20 Dec 1782 so there is a possiblity that the
second baseborn child was my ancestor, Charles Stephenson.
John Cantrell is supposed to have been born 17 Sep 1780 so he would be the
first one listed below.
As far as Andrew Hamilton is concerned - I don't know who raised him. But he
was old enough when his father died to request a specific individual as a
guardian.
I found this in one of my files:
Stinson, Helen. Early Court Records of Greenbrier Co.
p. 1: 22 Nov 1780. Grand jury made the following presentments: Elinor
Clendenning for having a base born child.
p. 8: 22 May 1782. Elinor Clendenen indicted for having a bastard child --
to pay court wardens of Botetourt Parish 50 shillings or 500 lbs. tobacco
and cash for use of the poor in that Parish.
Letter from Marilyn Schuelzky, 25 Aug 1983:
"Will of Andrew Hamilton (Will Book I, p 117, Greenbrier Co., WV) reads as
follows (in part): 'I give and bequeath to my son Andrew Hamilton, got on
the body of Nelly Clendinnen, now the wife of George Stephenson, my Negro
man by the name of Manwell and My Negro woman, his wife, by the name of
Freany, and her child, name Charles, and also my Negro boy by the name of
George and the plantation whereon he now lives, to him, the said Andrew
Hamilton, and his heirs forever; and my will is that the said Negros shall
live and keep full possession of the land they now live on until my son
Andrew Hamilton comes to lawful age....' Will made 14 Mar 1796, prob(ated)
June court, 1796."
"June 1796. Greenbrier Court Records. Andrew Hamilton, orphan of Andrew
Hamilton, deceased, chose Samuel Brown, guardian and James Reid, security.
[Note: These were Greenbrier people -- Reid was co-executor of Andrew, Sr.'s
will with Andrew's nephew, Moses Mann.]
Chalkley, Vol. II, p. 25, Apr 1799. Gamble & Grattan [merchants in Bath Co.,
VA., and Staunton, Augusta Co.) vs Andrew Hamilton's estate. From Bath.
Account for necessaries furnished Andrew, son of Col. Andrew Hamilton,
running from 1795.
"In 1800 Andrew Jr married Sarah C. Selden in Botetourt Co., VA, and, in
1806 Mrs. E Selden sold land to Andrew Hamilton 'who married my daughter,
Sally.' From a genealogy of the Seldens, 'Sarah married Andrew Hamilton at
the home of her sister, Mrs. James (Ann) Breckenridge of Grave Hill,
Botetourt Co., ' A letter from Cary Selden, father of Sarah, said that
'Sarah married Andrew Hamilton, a very amiable young man.'
page 2, 25 Aug 1983:
In 1805, in Greenbrier Co., Andrew Hamilton, Jr. , sold 350 acres of the 400
acres left to him by will of his father, Andrew Hamilton the Elder, on
contract to Charles McClung and gave him a final deed in 1815. Sarah did not
chose to journey to Greenbrier Co., to sign this, so some Botetourt men were
dispatched to her home to obtain her signature. This land was on the Big
Levels, around Lewisburg, evidently the same 400 acres granted to Andrew
Sr., in 1795, Dyer's Index to Land Grants, Greenbrier Co., Book 3, page 410.
I have never heard of an involvement between Nellie and a "Mr. Wilson."
How/why did you become interested in Nellie's escapades?
Sharon
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Subject: [CLENDINEN] Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
> Mary Ellen AKA Eleanor or Nelly Clendenin, a daughter of the
> immigrant Charles, seems to have been involved with some other men before
> her marriage to George Stevenson. It seems she had sons, Andrew Hamilton
> and
> John Cantrell, before she married and there seems to be a Mr. Wilson
> mentioned as one of her lovers. It appears Cantrell was raised by her and
> her family as per later documents, but Hamilton was not. In fact, Cantrell
> married the daughter of George Clendenin. Mary Ellen's brother. I don't
> know how she fared with Wilson.
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> The only evidence I can find in the records about any of this
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> a mention in Chalkey's about Hamilton. I know this topic has been visited
> on
> the list in the past. Can someone tell me where I can find the evidence?
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> Virginia
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Mary Ellen AKA Eleanor or Nelly Clendenin, a daughter of the
immigrant Charles, seems to have been involved with some other men before
her marriage to George Stevenson. It seems she had sons, Andrew Hamilton and
John Cantrell, before she married and there seems to be a Mr. Wilson
mentioned as one of her lovers. It appears Cantrell was raised by her and
her family as per later documents, but Hamilton was not. In fact, Cantrell
married the daughter of George Clendenin. Mary Ellen's brother. I don't
know how she fared with Wilson.
The only evidence I can find in the records about any of this is
a mention in Chalkey's about Hamilton. I know this topic has been visited on
the list in the past. Can someone tell me where I can find the evidence?
Virginia