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New Federal Law Will Limit Access to Birth Certificates
The 108th Congress returned for a special session on December 6, 2004 to smooth opposition to Senate Bill 2845 (S. 2845), the "National Intelligence Reform Act of 2004." On December 7, the House voted 336-75 for the bill, and on December 8, the Senate approved it 89-2. The bill was signed into law by the president on December 17, without the exception for non-certified copies & certificates over 100 years old that the National Genealogical Society and Federation of Genealogical Societies had suggested..
The bill requires federal agencies to establish standards for all 50 states for the issuing of driver's licenses and birth certificates within the next 18 months. How this will effect local statutes regarding vital records access is unclear.
This came to me a few days ago. I do not have any known connection to this
line. I suggested she join the list and told her that I would forward her
email to the group. I know that we have quite a few members working on the WV
Clendenins.
Honey ( back among the genes)
In a message dated 1/17/2005 3:06:18 PM SA Pacific Standard Time, OsborneJR
writes:
Honey,
I came across your name on the Kanawha County GenWeb board. I see you are
researching the Clendenin surname. I am looking for information on Belva
Clendenin. Specific names and dates include the following:
Name: Belva Clendenin
Born: August 29, 1884 Kanawha County, West Virginia
Died: July 19, 1929 Kanawha County, West Virginia
Buried: Ward Cemetery in Cedar Grove, West Virginia
Resided: Muncie, Indiana and Glasgow, Cedar Grove (Kanawha Co.) West Virginia
Husband #1. Unknown possibly Mr. Jones?
Husband #2. Maurice Collins married 1915 in Charleston; Kanawha Co. West
Virginia
Husband #3. Alfred Taylor married after1920
Children:
1.) Lester Jones? b. 1902-1903
2.) Izora/Isora Jones ? b. 1904-1905
3.) Juanita Collins b. 1915
4.) Maurice Collins b. 1918
Let me know if you think there could be a link with your Clendenin line.
Thanks!
Vanessa
_OsborneJR(a)aol.com_ (mailto:OsborneJR@aol.com)
Larry & Honey Dodge
Correo de Chame
Apartado 1011-045
Republica de Panama
+507-671-6449 cell
Hello,
I'm about to embark on a topic which I have hesitated to bring to the mailing list(s) attention but I feel it's one we should address.
Whenever someone decides to undergo the DNA testing I ask them to send me a lineage to include on the Clendenin Family Research website. Many of them that have come in have glaring errors in them. But then I have a long list of pet peeves so here goes --
1. No proof that a William Glendinning (vs) married a Roseanne Kirkpatrick.
2. No proof that William who died at Quarterland in 1764 is the same William christened in Langholm in 1680.
3. No proof that the Charles mentioned in the will of William who died at Quarterland is Charles Clendenin who appears in Virginia records beginning as early as 1743.
4. No proof that Charles (VA) married a Mary Ann Patterson of Pennsylvania, d/o James Patterson.
5. No proof that Charles (VA) and his unnamed wife had children other than George, Robert, William, Alexander, and Eleanor (Mary Ellen/ Nellie).
6. DNA testing proves that James who married Margaret Anderson was not the son of Charles (VA). Parents unknown at this time.
7. DNA testing proves that William who married Helen Fowler was not the son of James who married Margaret Anderson.
8. DNA testing proves that Adam who married Winifred LNU was not the son of Charles and his unnamed wife.
Many people who are just starting their research are finding your website where you have given this incorrect information and they are clinging to it as though it was written as a chapter of the Bible. Please change your incorrect information or at least go in and place a notation "Not Proven".
We are doing no one a favor if they pick up incorrect information. It costs money to do this genealogical research and DNA testing. You know that because you have also researched a line (or at least I hope you did your own research).
Thank you,
Sharon
Good morning,
Just a quick update on where we stand here:
We now have 30 members, the latest to sign up is a descendant of Charles Clendenin's son, Robert. This will give us participants who are descended from two of the three eligible sons of Charles (WV).
Of the 29 previous (by 31 Dec) participants we have only one kit which is outstanding; the others are either in the lab in rerun, waiting to go to the lab, or in the mail back to the company or we already have their results.
As I told you in a previous message I have been able to establish, by the unique haplotypes, six groups. I am still trying to determine how best to present this on the website. But at the present time I have used colors to divide the haplotypes on the website comparison chart. http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~clendin/dna_results_2.htm
Anywhere you see only one participant in a color band, this is an indication that additional participants who may be related or who believe they are related to that ancestor should be tested. So if you know of anyone out there you might have been corresponding with and you think there is a possibility but yet unproven that the two of you are descended from the same ancestor, please ask them to contact me so that I might explain the project to them.
At this time it would be best if they can pay for their own testing to at least 25 markers as there is no money in our General Fund. I am officially "retiring" and the flow of discretionary dollars into my coffers is diminishing.
Sharon
Hello everyone,
I decided to see what I could find that would flesh out Carol's posting of "Stuff and Things."
See below.
----- Original Message -----
From: p_colella(a)juno.com
To: SharonBryant(a)cox.net
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 5:35 PM
Subject: Re: CEMETERY LOOKUP
Hello Sharon,
Wade and Jane are indeed in the Clendening Cemetery.
Wade Garrison b. 25 Dec. 1826 d. 3 Feb. 1865
Jane Garrison b. 13 Aug. 1830 d. 25 Sept. 1905
Glad I could help.
Peggy
On Thu, 20 Jan 2005 16:25:46 -0500 "Sharon Bryant" <SharonBryant(a)cox.net> writes:
Hello,
Could you please check the Clendening cemetery listing for a Wade Garrison and wife, Jane Clendening Webb Garrison?
I'm sorry; I have no idea when these people died.
Thank you in advance.
Sharon Bryant
SharonBryant(a)cox.net
Well, I have found a Thomas Clendenning married to a Frazor: Thomas, son of
James and Elizabeth "Betsy" Bledsoe, b 06 Apr 1800, d 10 May 1834, Sumner
Co., TN m 05 Jul 1824 Sumner Co., TN to Elizabeth Frazor, bd unk, died 01
Sep 1874.
However, I do not have a Charles Fisher, Jack (John) or William listed in my
database as Thomas' brothers.
For whatever it is worth .....
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol" <cjohn(a)tznet.com>
To: <CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 20, 2005 12:09 PM
Subject: Stuff and Things
> Haven't been on this list for a while. We are building a new (much
> smaller)
> house and after 30+ years it's time to clean out/organize all my
> genealogical paper files. Woe is me!
>
> In the piles and piles of paper, occasionally I run across some
> interesting
> tibit. Thought I would pass this one along in the hopes that someone may
> be
> familier with the writer/family.
>
> Date: Unknown
> Writer unknown. This is a part of a (poor) copy of a letter written on a
> linen type stationary recepient unknown.
>
> "John Clendening (Uncle Jack) had 2 sons and 1 daughter. John Daod"
> (sp?)",
> Butler & Jane. John Daod married Elizabeth Murray. They had 2 children
> Cora and Murray - Jane married twice first to a Mr. Webb. They had one
> daughter named Maggie who died young. The Webbs lived on the Ridge. He
> died
> and left Jane a big Ridge Farm. Her second marriage was to a Mr. Wade
> Garrison and they had 2 children. John & Sallie. Mr. Garrison died and
> left Jane a farm" (unreadable) "near Cayon" (sp?) "Gap."
>
> "Clendenin is a Scotch name Clen in Scotch means clan. In 15th or 16th
> century the name was Dening and they all lived in the same neighborhood.
> It
> was known as the Dening Clan. When some of them left for England and
> Ireland they would say they were from the Dening Clan in Scotland. The
> people in England and Ireland would call them Clen-denning."
>
> "Charles Fisher, Jack, Tom and William Clendening came from Orange County
> N.C. Greensboro County seat and settled in TN. William, Mollies grand-dad
> settled in West Tenn. Charles Fisher, Jack and Tom came to Sumner
> Co.(around Shackle Island). The three brothers married Fraziers, Jack and
> Tom married sisters and Charles Fisher a cousin. Charles Fisher is Ed's
> and
> Eva's great-grandfather."
>
> I suspect there is more to the letter, at least a greeting and ending . .
> .
> still digging. . .
>
> If anyone sorts this out please let me know.
>
> Cheers, Carol
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Dear Sharon:
Is it possible to remove KCC311(a)aol.com from the Clendenin listserve? I get
these messages at my work (clendenin(a)nasl.org), so this is redundant.
I just finished the DNA test, so those results should be available soon.
Thanks,
Peter Clendenin
We're not sure this got out to the list(s) as we intended so here goes:
----- Original Message -----
From: Linda Ponder
To: Sharon Bryant
Sent: Sunday, January 16, 2005 9:53 AM
Subject: Fw: John Clendenen, d c. 1843 MO
Sharon, thought I sent this to the list a while back, but never saw it posted. Did I do something wrong? Linda
----- Original Message -----
From: Linda Ponder
To: CLENDINEN-D-request(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Sunday, January 02, 2005 10:37 AM
Subject: John Clendenen, d c. 1843 MO
Came across this John Clendenen for some time ago and wonder if anyone knows him. He is listed on the 1830 and 1840 Jefferson (city), Clay County, MO, US Census. I found the following information also:
Wills and Administrations of Clinton County, Missouri (Clinton Co. borders Clay Co.)
Will Book A, 94-95
James Dagley Admr of John Clendenen, dec'd.
Littleton S. Roberts and Noah F. Essig sec. $400 5 oct. 1843
(Carr 1833-1870 Ben C 312 Clint MO)
Genealogical Notes from the Liberty Tribune, Clay Co. (MO) 1846-58
Dec. 26, 1846
Notice of final settlement of estate of John Clendenen, dec'd, of Clinton County.
James Dagley, admr.
Apr 7, 1845
Notice. The undersigned guardian of estate of J.W. Clendenen will apply next court to make final.
George S. McCullough
Clay County (MO) Marriages 1822-1852
Barbary Jane Clendennen to Sterling D. Carrol
10 Sept 1840 by 123
(Is this the daughter of the above?)
Linda
Has anyone had communication with Honey since, oh, September? She and her husband had moved to Panama and I have not had a word from her.
Since one of our DNA participants was a man she desperately wanted tested I am very surprised there has been no comment from her.
If you've heard from her, please let me know.
Thanks,
Sharon
Mildred Midjaas was a granddaughter of Nancy (Clendenin) Mann. She was the
DAR Historian for Southern Illinois.
----- Original Message -----
From: <SHELBYGMA(a)aol.com>
To: <CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 1:36 PM
Subject: Re: CLENDINEN-D Digest V05 #7
> Hello Clendenin group,
> It seems most of the ancestors discussed on this site are not of my
> Clendenin
> lineage but I watch diligently and print every single posting, just in
> case
> someday I find a link or connection. There are so many similarities it
> just
> must happen one of these days. It's often overwhelming reading all this.
> My
> Great Grandmother while researching our Clendinin line back in the 1930's
> and
> 40's corresponded with a couple of ladies and at the time they all thought
> they
> were connected by John Clendenin b. 1759 who married Mary Simpson, but
> after
> further research I have found this to NOT be the case. The reason I'm
> posting
> this note is: I went to the site the other day recommended by Ken and
> noticed
> a couple of surnames listed that were also mentioned by these two other
> ladies and I'm wondering if there are any descendants of these ladies who
> are part
> of this group, if so I have a couple of letters I'd like to share with
> them-
> their names were Mildred Midjaas and Mattie Baird.
> It seems there were so many Clendenin's in Lancaster County, PA in the
> 1700's- I just can't find a connection from mine to any of those you all
> have - my
> line seems to be so isolated, and we don't have any living direct male
> descendants to do the DNA test except one who my one cousin is trying to
> convince. I
> see so many surnames that are in my line also, like Patterson, Andrews,
> Hayes,
> from Lancaster County, there must be a connection somewhere. Well, I'll
> keep
> watching and hoping~ in Clendenin friendship, Linda Mesinar-Nevada
>
>
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Anyone need this:
Mifflin County PADeed Book F p 402-403Transcribed by Lorinda GreenlandCopied by the Mifflin County Historical Society
This indenture made this seventeenth day of November in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and one between JOSEPH CLENDENIN of the Borough and County of Lancaster and Commonwealth of Pennsylvania, clerk, of the one part and George Snyder of the Borrough of Lewistown and County of Mifflin and Commonwealth aforesaid tavern keeper and blacksmith of the other part. Witnesth the said Joseph Clendenin for an in consideration of the sum of one hundred and fifty seven dollars lawful money of the United States in hand will and truly paid at on before the sealing and delivering of these presents – receipt whereof he the said Joseph Clendenin doth acknowledge and thereof and there from doth ?, release, ? and forever discharge the said George Sneider his heirs, executors, administrators and every of them. Hath granted, bargained sold released and confirmed, and by these presents doth grant bargain sell release and confirm unto the said George Sneider and to his hers and!
assigns. All that tract or piece of land situate in Derry Township and County of Mifflin, bounded on the west by vacant land and land of William Robinson on the south and east by lands of Robert Buchanan and Robert Duncan and on the north by one Williamson containing eighty six acres and one hundred thirteen perches and the usual allowances of six percent for roads being the same trance of land which the commonwealth of Pennsylvania by letters patent bearing the date the eleventh day of February instant granted unto William Harris of the county of Mifflin Esq, in the fee simple enrolled in the Rolls office in the Patent Book N 30 page 220 and which the said William Harris by deed dated the 14th day of February in the year of our Lord 1801 granted and conveyed unto SAMUEL CLENDENIN ? (together with Mary his wife) by deed dated the 19th day of April in the year of our lord one thousand eight hundred and one conveyed the same unto the said Joseph Clendenin in fee simple toge!
ther with all and singular the apputenances thereto belonging or in an
y ? appertaining and all the estate right, interest and ? legal and equitable whatsoever of him the said Joseph Clendenin of in and to the said tract and premises and every ? thereof to have and to hold the above described tract and parcel of land and every part thereof with all and singular the appurtenancs thereto belonging unto the said George Sneider his heirs and assigns to the only proper use and behoof of the said George Sneider his hers and assigns forever and the said Joseph Clendenin for himself and his heirs the ? tract and premises and every part thereof (except the reserve of the commonwealth against him and his heirs and against all and everyother person or persons whatsoever to the said George Sneider his heirs assignes shall and will warrant and forever by there presents defend in witness where of the said Joseph Clendenin hath bequeathed his hand and seal the day and year first above writtenSigned, sealed and deliveredIn the presence ofGeorge WorrallSaml. C!
lendenin Joseph Clendenin (seal)
NOTE: there is also a Thomas Clendenin found in Derry township, Mifflin county tax lists.
Lori
Hello again,
Earlier today I commented that some of us don't have the ability to be as mobile as we would like when it comes to research. I just received a question about the location of the individuals who are on our mailing lists, so ....
If you have the ability to get to a research facility of some sort, i.e., county offices, library research facility, etc. would you please respond with your name, email address, and state/county you could do research in if we need help?
Thanks,
Sharon
Hi Sharon,
On the topic of James and Margaret, another thing Don and I spoke of was the possiblity of a rat in the woodpile, so to speak. Oops! That would explain a lot of things.....
You guys keep on digging. You're doing a wonderful job. I'll go back to lurking in the shadows and enjoying all of your research and conversations.
Thanks,
Darlene
Hello Clendenin group,
It seems most of the ancestors discussed on this site are not of my Clendenin
lineage but I watch diligently and print every single posting, just in case
someday I find a link or connection. There are so many similarities it just
must happen one of these days. It's often overwhelming reading all this. My
Great Grandmother while researching our Clendinin line back in the 1930's and
40's corresponded with a couple of ladies and at the time they all thought they
were connected by John Clendenin b. 1759 who married Mary Simpson, but after
further research I have found this to NOT be the case. The reason I'm posting
this note is: I went to the site the other day recommended by Ken and noticed
a couple of surnames listed that were also mentioned by these two other
ladies and I'm wondering if there are any descendants of these ladies who are part
of this group, if so I have a couple of letters I'd like to share with them-
their names were Mildred Midjaas and Mattie Baird.
It seems there were so many Clendenin's in Lancaster County, PA in the
1700's- I just can't find a connection from mine to any of those you all have - my
line seems to be so isolated, and we don't have any living direct male
descendants to do the DNA test except one who my one cousin is trying to convince. I
see so many surnames that are in my line also, like Patterson, Andrews, Hayes,
from Lancaster County, there must be a connection somewhere. Well, I'll keep
watching and hoping~ in Clendenin friendship, Linda Mesinar-Nevada
Good morning all,
Don said "I'll try to dig out Nancy Mann's papers and quote exactly what she
said reference William."
That would be great if you can find it, Don; maybe there's a little nuance
in the exact quotation that would lead us in a new direction. Don's comment
was made in response to a question from Darlene Ashcroft about the
possibility that " ...but could William be adopted?"
I had not yet answered Darlene's question but will now. I would prefer to
determine if we are talking about two different men here before we start
trying to find a non-recorded adoption event.
I realize there is a very good possibility that anything I say will anger
one or more of you, but if it makes you start to question or to dig out
information that you haven't looked at for a while I'll take the hit. As Don
also said "We are all working together on this ...."
I wish I had the answers that everyone wants but I don't; so I have to rely
on someone out there saying "oh, wait a minute .. " and then sharing the
information with the rest of us.
Have a good day, everyone.
Sharon
Hi Barbara,
I am not concerned about any information you pass on. I was only trying to explain to the group that this was not an original source. There are some points I don't agree with, one being the birth date for John, son of James and Margaret (Anderson) Clendenin. I've seen that 1758 date before, but have never seen and documentation. We are all working together on this and I have no problem with anyone using any of my data.
Good to hear from you.
----- Original Message -----
From: Barb Tissier
To: Donald E. Clendenin
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 4:31 AM
Subject: Clendenin Families
Hi Don,
Wanted to apologize if I've done something wrong. I've not meant any harm. Have gleamed much information from Mildred and you with more thanks than you'll ever know (and she never will).
We need all the help and leads we can get to confirm our information. This is one reason why I've never posted my Clendenin family to my web page, most of the information cannot be confirmed (yet).
Again, I'm sorry.
Hope you and yours are well. We're fine here. I'm spending most of my time 'working' the 1930 census, a real bear but fun. Anyway, trust your Holiday's were family packed.
Take care,
Your 5th cousin,
Barb in Waterloo, IL
http://www.Tissiers.com
Hi Sharon. I hate to be the one to mention this, but could William be
adopted? I know that makes a mess out of genetics, but it would explain all
the anecdotal references.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon Bryant" <SharonBryant(a)cox.net>
To: <CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: James Clendenin and Margaret Anderson
> Good morning,
>
> A couple of clarifying statements to begin with:
>
> 1. The purpose of this dialogue is not to "fix blame" on anyone. We have
much more information available to us now than earlier generations did.
> 2. With the repetition of names from generation to generation it is easy
to get confused regarding who was being referred to.
> 3. No one said there might not be errors in the paper trail of our Charles
descendant. That is tantamount to pointing a finger and the whole purpose
here is not to start a "flaming" contest but to figure out the truth of the
matter as best we can.
>
> Now that I have said all that let's look at what Don had to say - as I
said earlier (and I did not mention the James, son of Charles and Mary
Patterson error) the DNA has proven that there was at least one mistake in
the list of children given for James and Margaret.
>
> We have documented proof of John and Hannah as follows:
> "AUGUSTA COUNTY, VIRGINIA - CHALKLEY'S CHRONICLES; Vol 3, PP 80 - 89
> Page 81 (on-line transcription) copied 3/5/2004
>
> Page 311.--4th May, 1761. Margaret Anderson's will--Granddaughter,
> Margaret Anderson, alias Clendennin, and her daughter Hannah Anderson
> and her son John Clendennin. Executors, Jno. Francis and Jno. Poage.
> Teste: Jas. Bell, Isaac Carson, Mary Francis. Proved, 20th March, 1764,
> by Bell and Carson. Executors qualified, with James Bell, Michael Dickey."
>
> See how easy it is to make a mistake. I believe I referred to Margaret
Anderson as the grandmother of John and Hannah. Upon re-reading it appears
she was the grandmother of Margaret Anderson Clendenin and therefore, the
great-grandmother of John and Hannah.
>
> Likewise we have documentation that Margaret Anderson Clendenin's father
was a William Anderson as follows:
> "AUGUSTA COUNTY, VIRGINIA - CHALKLEY'S CHRONICLES; Vol 3, PP 200 - 209
> Page 203 (on-line transcription) copied 3/5/2004
>
> Page 114.--27th August, 1792. William Anderson's will--To wife,
> Elizabeth; to son, John, tract whereon James Black lives, 244 acres; to
son,
> George, tract known as Burnt Cabbin whereon George now lives, adjoining
> John, Robert, and Jacob Baylor; to son, Robert, 149 acres whereon Ro.
> now lives; to son, Alexander, home plantation, 290 acres; to sons-in-law
> and their wives, viz: James Clendenning and wife Margaret, Wm. Skillings
> and wife Mary, James Grigsby and wife Rebecca, Samuel Anderson and
> wife Elizabeth; to daughter, Jean Anderson. Executors, son John and
> David McNare. Teste: Edward Breadin, Sr. and Jr.; George Breaden.
> Proved, June Court, 1794, by all the witnesses."
>
> Thus, it appears that the only two children of Margaret Anderson Clendenin
s who were alive by the time of their great-grandmother's writing of her
will were John and Hannah Anderson Clendenin. Another question which can be
pursued later is the way her will was worded, i.e., her [Margaret's]
daughter, Hannah Anderson and her son, John Clendenin. Why is Hannah not
referred to as Hannah Clendenin?
>
> "Mary Rebecca born 1762 (These may be two people, my oldest reference
> mentions Mary Rebeccah, later ones mention Mary and Rebeccah. The Sympson
> Bible shows "Rebeccah" married William Sympson."
>
> There may very well be only one woman here named Mary Rebecca or there may
have been two: it appears from William Anderson's will that Margaret had
sisters named both Mary [sons-in-law and their wives, viz: James
Clendenning and wife Margaret, Wm. Skillings and wife Mary, James Grigsby
and wife Rebecca, Samuel Anderson and wife Elizabeth; to daughter, Jean
Anderson.]
>
> "Nancy didn't s[a]y William married Helen Fowler, she just said William
continued on to Missouri.' So, it may be there was a William, but not the
one who married Helen Fowler." Also Don later says "William " (in 1809)
continued on to Missouri." Questions that arise from these comments:
>
> 1. Was there anything in Nancy's notes that said when William continued on
to Missouri?
> 2. Was this move supposed to have occurred when the rest of the family
moved from Kentucky to Illinois?
> 3. Any indication what the (in 1809) refers to other than William's move
to Missouri?
>
> We know that William (m Fowler) appears in the 1830 census for Cole Co.,
MO and one of the men presumed to be his son, John, entered land in MO in
1827.
>
> "Elizabeth "Betsy" Clendenin was born 1767 [m Caleb Knapp]" I know how
Betsy Knapp ended up in this family but do we have any early documentation
which connects Caleb Knapp and his wife to James and Margaret Anderson
Clendenin? Did they follow the same migration pattern as James & Margaret?
>
> Is there any thing that puts "Patsy" firmly in this family?
>
> Is there any thing that puts Josiah firmly in this family?
>
> Sharon
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Donald E Clendenin" <donclend(a)positech.net>
> To: "Sharon Bryant" <SharonBryant(a)cox.net>; <CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Monday, January 10, 2005 12:28 AM
> Subject: Re: James Clendenin and Margaret Anderson
>
>
>> Hello,
>>
>> The site Ken referred to copied most of the information in the first
>> paragraph (including some mistakes) from my book courtesy of Barbara
Tiesser
>> who bought a copy 8 years ago. My major mistake was showing James
Clendenin
>> (1736-1810) being a son or brother of Charles. The William, mentioned as
a
>> son of James, may still be true. I got that information from a 'history'
>> left by Nancy (Clendenin) Mann (1829-1910). Nancy was a lifelong student
of
>> family history and lived near her uncle James Clendenin, son of John, son
of
>> James the 1st. Nancy didn't sy William married Helen Fowler, she just
said
>> William 'continued on to Missouri.' So, it may be there was a William,
but
>> not the one who married Helen Fowler. I doubt there is a family history
>> written without any errors. The paper trail of the Y-DNA contributor
showing
>> descent from Charles COULD be wrong.
>>
>> The children of James and Margaret (Anderson) Clendenin I got from the
>> Mrs. David Green Hayes manuscript in the Filson Cluc, Louisville, KY are:
>> John c.1759
>> Hannah (these two were living when Margaret's grandmother died in 1761,
>> and she mentioned them in her will.
>> Mary Rebecca born 1762 (These may be two people, my oldest reference
>> mentions Mary Rebeccah, later ones mention Mary and Rebeccah. The Sympson
>> Bible shows "Rebeccah" married William Sympson.
>> William " (in 1809) "continued on to Missouri."
>> Martha (Patsy) born in 1780. She married Joseph Baldwin March 9, 1800.
>>
>> There may well have been other children. Large families were common
those
>> days and I suspect, based on other histories, that many of them died
young.
>>
>> Mrs Hayes was a contributor to "The Compendium of American Genealogy
>> (1600s-1800s)
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sharon Bryant" <SharonBryant(a)cox.net>
>> To: <CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, January 09, 2005 12:27 PM
>> Subject: James Clendenin and Margaret Anderson
>>
>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> A couple of days Ken Bower referred us to a website which he had located
>>> stating that it was an interesting site. I agreed with him but told him
>>> (and you) that the information regarding the children of James and
>>> Margaret was incorrect.
>>>
>>> The website listed the following as children of James and Margaret:
>>>
>>> i. John2 Clendenin Sr. was born 15 January 1758.
>>>
>>> ii. Hannah Anderson Clendenin was born 1759. Born in the area that
became
>>> Greenbrier in 1778. <Sandy in Fla>
>>>
>>> iii. Mary Clendenin was born 1761.
>>>
>>> iv. Rebecca Clendenin was born 1762.
>>>
>>> v. Elizabeth "Betsy" Clendenin was born 1767.
>>>
>>> vi. William Clendenin was born in Augusta County, Virginia 1773. William
>>> died 30 January 1844 in Cole, Missouri. Jefferson County, Missouri. He
>>> married Helen Fowler in Washington County, Virginia, 9 October 1797.
>>> Married in Abington, Virginia. William's family moved to Kentucky and
then
>>> to Cole County, Missouri.
>>>
>>> vii. Josiah Clendenin was born in Virginia 1775.
>>>
>>> viii. Martha "Patsy" Clendenin was born 1780.
>>>
>>> The "wrong" person I was referring to is William. When a descendant of
his
>>> (a male surnamed Clendennon) was tested for the Y-DNA Surname project
not
>>> only was he not related he was in a different haplogroup. A bit of
>>> information here about Y-DNA testing:
>>>
>>> It is only passed from father to son. Women do not carry the Y
chromosome
>>> which is the precise one that makes the fetus a male rather than a
female.
>>> So only males can be tested for this project. I have yet to have anyone
of
>>> a different surname ask to be tested under this project.
>>>
>>> Yes, there are many variant spellings of the surname but that seems to
be
>>> immaterial for what we are doing.
>>>
>>> So, if we look at the previous list we have three males who it has been
>>> claimed are sons of James (and Margaret): John m Mary Sympson, moved to
>>> Kentucky and then Illinois; William m Helen Fowler (proven to not belong
>>> to this family) and a Josiah (no further information given on the
website.
>>> But in my database I have information that says Josiah m an Esther
>>> Livingstone and that descendants ended up in Indiana).
>>>
>>> Then we also have females: Mary, Hannah, Rebecca, Eliza(beth) and Martha
>>> "Patsy." The only way I know of to be certain that these women were
>>> daughters of James and Margaret (with the exception of Hannah who was
>>> mentioned along with John in the will of their grandmother) is to find
>>> primary documentation such as a will for James and/or Margaret or a deed
>>> in which property was deed to one of the women and her husband with a
>>> notation of the relationship between the grantor and the grantee.
>>>
>>> A preponderance of evidence based on primary records would be acceptable
>>> but primary documentation would be best.
>>>
>>> I think this would make a nice project to begin the new year for our
>>> mailing list so that we might determine the true relationship of these
>>> people. If you have information based on documentation please share it
>>> with the group, but be sure to reply to all which will post your message
>>> on both mailing lists.
>>>
>>> One of the men believed to be a son of Josiah and Esther is said to have
>>> died in Monroe Co., IN in 1904. Perhaps there is still a male Clendenin
of
>>> that line living out there somewhere. If you are he, or know who he is
>>> would you please let us know.
>>>
>>> Let's get some dialog started and remember to be open-minded about the
>>> whole thing.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Sharon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~clendin
>>>
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>>
>>
>>
>
Hello,
A couple of days Ken Bower referred us to a website which he had located stating that it was an interesting site. I agreed with him but told him (and you) that the information regarding the children of James and Margaret was incorrect.
The website listed the following as children of James and Margaret:
i. John2 Clendenin Sr. was born 15 January 1758.
ii. Hannah Anderson Clendenin was born 1759. Born in the area that became Greenbrier in 1778. <Sandy in Fla>
iii. Mary Clendenin was born 1761.
iv. Rebecca Clendenin was born 1762.
v. Elizabeth "Betsy" Clendenin was born 1767.
vi. William Clendenin was born in Augusta County, Virginia 1773. William died 30 January 1844 in Cole, Missouri. Jefferson County, Missouri. He married Helen Fowler in Washington County, Virginia, 9 October 1797. Married in Abington, Virginia. William's family moved to Kentucky and then to Cole County, Missouri.
vii. Josiah Clendenin was born in Virginia 1775.
viii. Martha "Patsy" Clendenin was born 1780.
The "wrong" person I was referring to is William. When a descendant of his (a male surnamed Clendennon) was tested for the Y-DNA Surname project not only was he not related he was in a different haplogroup. A bit of information here about Y-DNA testing:
It is only passed from father to son. Women do not carry the Y chromosome which is the precise one that makes the fetus a male rather than a female. So only males can be tested for this project. I have yet to have anyone of a different surname ask to be tested under this project.
Yes, there are many variant spellings of the surname but that seems to be immaterial for what we are doing.
So, if we look at the previous list we have three males who it has been claimed are sons of James (and Margaret): John m Mary Sympson, moved to Kentucky and then Illinois; William m Helen Fowler (proven to not belong to this family) and a Josiah (no further information given on the website. But in my database I have information that says Josiah m an Esther Livingstone and that descendants ended up in Indiana).
Then we also have females: Mary, Hannah, Rebecca, Eliza(beth) and Martha "Patsy." The only way I know of to be certain that these women were daughters of James and Margaret (with the exception of Hannah who was mentioned along with John in the will of their grandmother) is to find primary documentation such as a will for James and/or Margaret or a deed in which property was deed to one of the women and her husband with a notation of the relationship between the grantor and the grantee.
A preponderance of evidence based on primary records would be acceptable but primary documentation would be best.
I think this would make a nice project to begin the new year for our mailing list so that we might determine the true relationship of these people. If you have information based on documentation please share it with the group, but be sure to reply to all which will post your message on both mailing lists.
One of the men believed to be a son of Josiah and Esther is said to have died in Monroe Co., IN in 1904. Perhaps there is still a male Clendenin of that line living out there somewhere. If you are he, or know who he is would you please let us know.
Let's get some dialog started and remember to be open-minded about the whole thing.
Thanks,
Sharon
Yes, Ken, It is very interesting. However, the DNA says that the children
listed for James and Margaret is not correct.
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: <Kenbower(a)aol.com>
To: <CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 08, 2005 10:24 AM
Subject: Another Clendinen Web Site
> Intereating Clendinen Web Site:
>
> http://www.geocities.com/heartland/estates/3443/clendenin_james.html
>
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