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Hello everyone,
As you all can tell I haven't been making very speedy progress on getting
Clendenin information into my database and converted to the Gedcom and
on-line.
Is there anyone out there who would have the time and a database software
package such as Brother's Keeper or FTM who would be willing to enter this
information and then send me a Gedcom which I could then convert for the
website?
I hate to ask you to add to your already full schedules but I have decided
that I need to set some priorities and the completion of my mother's Baker
family information into a book form should go right at the top of the list.
Neither she (78) nor I are getting any younger.
Any takers?
Sharon
LETTERS TO THE EDITORS
The experience reported by Glenn Gibb (or Glendinning) [ML 5:34]
is less unusual than he might have thought. The idea that non-
armigerous people in Scotland inherit their surnames is a 20th-
century innovation. In Scots law a surname is a description or
identification, not an admission of paternity. Of course, it is
usually the task of the father of a child (as its legal
guardian, not directly as its parent) to "take unto it" a
surname with which to start life, and this is today usually the
father's surname, but there is nothing in Scots law to insist
that, for the non-armigerous, it must be the father's surname.
Accordingly, it is possible in ancestral searches to be misled
by finding siblings with different surnames, and the farther
back in history ancestor hunters venture, the greater the
possibility of experiencing this.
However, surnames recorded in the Registers of the Lord Lyon
descend with the arms, just as do peerage titles. The name in
which arms are granted or matriculated or confirmed is a "name
of dignity," and to change it requires from the Lord Lyon a
"Certificate regarding Change of Name." Such changes are usually
a result of a "name and arms" clause in a will that requires a
legatee to change name and arms with the approval of the Lord
Lyon in order to benefit from an inheritance. Such changes have
not been uncommon in Scotland's history, and even today one can
immediately call to mind full brothers with different surnames.
I hope this will act as a useful caveat for those researching
Scots ancestry.
Frederick Hogarth, The Baronage Press
http://www.baronage.co.uk
Hi everybody,
I am exceptionally glad to be sending you this message this morning. Thank
you everyone who offered prayers and good thoughts.
Yes, I think God pointed a finger and said "hey you! Slow down!"
I went through a heart catherization on Monday and had two stents implanted
in the right coronary artery on Tuesday afternoon. Came home this morning.
Feel good; have not been in pain since my admission through the ER early
last Friday morning. In fact, I've been bugging them to let me go home since
I woke up Friday morning.
The cardiologists assure me there was no damage to the heart muscle. There
is a family history of atherosclerosis and this was, I am sure, my official
notice that I am not immortal. So I will take it easier than I have been.
Glad to be back with you,
Sharon
Sharon,
I have recently made a research trip researching a Sinclair family (for an
attorney) that came to America in the decades prior to 1850. In one of
these families three children were given the middle name of Clendenning. and
one of the Rickey girls married a Clendenning. Apparently the Rickey,
Sinclair, and Clendenning families migrated to America together. I know
that one of the Sinclair boys came in through New York but as they came at
different times I have not been able to prove the port of entry for the
others as yet. The William Clendenning who married Annie Lee Rickey was
born in Montreal, Canada. However, Annie Lee's sister's middle name is
Clendenning so I know the name goes back in the family prior to William's
birth in the 1850s.
I have contact with a Clendenning family in Georgia but their branch settled
in Pennsylvania and married into a Ritchie family. I do know if it is the
same branch and a corruption of the Rickey/Ritchie name or not.
I wish I had more to give you but this is all I have as my research has not
included the Clendenning name until now.
Thank you so much for your attention.
Jean Grigsby
http://www.eggertweb.com/grigsby
This family settled in Missouri after spending some time in Louisiana.
If you have anything that could help me it would be appreciated. I do know
that they came from County Monaghans, Ireland. I do know know how long they
were in Ireland but believe they originally came from
Lanark in Scotland. Strangely enough that is where my own St. Clairs and
Douglas lines came from.
----- Original Message -----
From: <CLENDINEN-D-request(a)rootsweb.com>
To: <CLENDINEN-D(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 4:00 AM
Subject: CLENDINEN-D Digest V00 #118
Sharon, What a shock Please don't come back to soon, we miss you but your
health is more important. A daughter has only one mother and yours need you.
You are in our Prayers. God Bless, Mable
What unexpected news! Please send my regards and let Sharon know that
everyone, I am sure, on the list is pulling for her. Get well soon,
Sharon.
Betty in Idaho
May your mother recover quickly and may you both enjoy each other for years to come. Marilee Stephenson Russell Gr. Gr. Gr. Grandaughter of Lucinda Clendenin and Charles Arthur
I am so very sorry. After the list of activities she does and the illnesses
she lives with and her recent to trip overseas, I have had her on my mind
alot. Now, I know why. Prayers are going up for her, from here in GA.
Cece
----- Original Message -----
From: Sharon Bryant <SharonBryant(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: <CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, August 25, 2000 7:30 AM
Subject: [CLENDINEN] Sharon
> Hello, I'm Sharon's daughter. She asked me to send a message to both of
> these lists. She wants everyone to know that she suffered a heart attack
> early this morning, and she will be back on line when they release her
from
> the hospital. Probably a few days.
> Thank you.
> Jennifer
>
Tell Sharon I hope she recovers soon!!!!!!!!
So sorry to hear this.....
Rachael
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sharon Bryant" <SharonBryant(a)worldnet.att.net>
To: <CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, 25 August 2000 6:30
Subject: [CLENDINEN] Sharon
> Hello, I'm Sharon's daughter. She asked me to send a message to both of
> these lists. She wants everyone to know that she suffered a heart attack
> early this morning, and she will be back on line when they release her
from
> the hospital. Probably a few days.
> Thank you.
> Jennifer
>
>
Hello, I'm Sharon's daughter. She asked me to send a message to both of
these lists. She wants everyone to know that she suffered a heart attack
early this morning, and she will be back on line when they release her from
the hospital. Probably a few days.
Thank you.
Jennifer
Hi everyone,
I found this this morning in the latest issues of Missing Links (v. 5, no.
34). The email address popped out like a burst of sunlight.
Enjoy.
SUCCESSFUL LINKS: CHANGING OF THE CLAN
by Glen Gibb glendinning(a)post.com
My search began from a point where I could reliably account for
18 family members, half of whom were recently deceased. These
roots were all firmly established in Scotland and the Glasgow
and West of the country. As the trail was followed back, it
became evident that my great-grandfather had gradually, over
his lifetime, changed his name. Christened Peter Gibb
GLENDINNING, he died and was recorded as Peter Glendinning GIBB
"known as . . ." The effect of his action was peculiar -- of the
two sons and two daughters he sired, all were given the name
GLENDINNING on their birth certificates, but all from birth were
referred to as GIBB. They in turn, I discovered from all points
of the globe, recorded their offspring as GIBB. Some, as myself,
carried GLENDINNING as a second name. Only by a fortuitous link
was the founding family discovered in the 1851 census. The
forward tracing then burgeoning to blood line relatives that I
followed only as far as their next generations -- my 18
relatives list -- has now exceeded 120. One, a woman from
Montreal, Canada, age 92, was ecstatic when I sent her an
extract of her father's birth lines. Her wondering about his
GLENDINNING name and a long held understanding that GIBB was not
really the family name was at last resolved.
I published a comprehensive family tree -- complete with as much
detail from the "true" family name as possible. And here, I came
upon a fact that might distress all those on similar quests.
My irritation at my great-grandfather making the change (and I
am all but complete in defining how and the why of it) was so
great that I made inquiries to establish what laws may have been
broken. Scottish law is different in many aspects from English
law, "English" often being erroneously used as a term for
"British." As the old man had not "legally" changed his name by
Deed Poll, I was confident that in -- eventually, his own son had
(inexplicably) recorded his son as GIBB and signifying himself
the father also as such. Was this a falsification and illegal?
Could it be reversed? Were all the worldwide GIBB names required
to be changed to their correct lineage, at least in Scottish
law? The answer is no.
Under Scottish law, there is no obligation for the offspring of a
legal marriage to be named after the father. Astonishingly, the
child can be named -- well, anything -- bound only it appears,
by the rules of names liable to confuse (as with royalty) or
fraudulent intent. (This, I did not wander into.) An examination
on some Web sites of Scottish births support this. They are
rare, but clearly the practice was undertaken. The only link to
the father in checking the family lineage is via the birth
certificate. In most cases, that detail will only become evident
by spending money to see an extract (or by visiting the
Edinburgh Record Office).
We were fortunate -- and the assumed signpost, showing us to be
GIBB, a sept of the BUCHANAN clan with all its historical
anchors -- were false. It really only matters as much as the
person wishes it to. For our lot -- some are now looking at
their tartan artifacts -- proudly displayed, and know that they
have absolutely no entitlement to that history. They took
comfort by reviewing the true pedigree of their ancestors. As a
sept of the clan DOUGLAS, the attributes in Scotland's support
of the King Robert the Bruce, is a magnificent one. It well
compensates the disillusionment of having had taken away a
lifetime of what we thought our heritage was, all because one
man had an argument with his father's family in the mid-1800s.
So, the bottom line is a sobering one. Just because you have
traced your family name back to the early Victorians and beyond,
it is no guarantee that it is your name.
* * *
In a message dated 8/20/00 1:46:28 AM Eastern Daylight Time, hamrick(a)home.com
writes:
> The David McSwain you refer to in your data was born 1734 in PA and his
> mother
> was Elizabeth and not Sergent.
> My data is listed under jrm There may be a relationship between David
> and Ann
> but at most they would be cousins and probably not siblings. I have
> supporting data.
> I will be happy to share with you.
I have his mother as Margaret, wife of Mister McSwain? We are always looking
for proof about David and not the fairy tale concocted by one of his
descendants, would love to know what your sources and proof are, I don't have
time to research these distant cousin, maybe when I retire in 2010! thanks
Sandy in Florida
Descendants of Margaret Sargent
1 Margaret Sargent Number of children: 9
. +Father McSwain b: 1700 d: Abt. 1739 Number of children: 4
Father: Mother:
.... 2 David McSwain b: 1725
.... 2 Charles McSwain b: 1728
.... 2 William McSwain b: 1730
.... 2 Ann McSwain b: 30 March 1738 in Lancaster Co., PA
Number of children: 6
........ +Archibald Clendenin, Jr. b: Abt. 1730 in Cumberland Co.,
PA m: Abt. 1755 d: 27 June 1763 in Levels, Augusta Co., VA Alt. date: 15
July 1763 Death Number of children: 3 Father: Archibald CLENDENIN, Sr.
Mother: Nancy EWING
.... *2nd Husband of Ann McSwain:
........ +John Rodgers b: 1740 m: 1767 Number of children: 3
Father: Mother:
*2nd Husband of Margaret Sargent:
. +James Ewing b: 1720 in Londonderry, Ireland m: 1741 in
Stoverstown, VA Number of children: 5 Father: Mother:
.... 2 Jennie Ewing
.... 2 William "Swago" Ewing
.... 2 Elizabeth Ewing
.... 2 Susan Ewing
.... 2 John Ewing b: 27 December 1747 in Orange Co, VA d: 23
December 1824 in Gallia Co., OH
........ +Ann Smith b: 1754 in Tyrone, Ireland d: 11 May 1808 in
Gallia Co., OH Father: Mother:
Another book.
Ownbey, Evelyn J.: What does America mean to you?
History and
genealogy. Part I, Rankin, Clendenin, Huston &
genealogical material on the
Eckles & Creighs. Part II, Massie, Hart, Dabney, Barret,
Lee & genealogical
material on the allied families of Winston and Chiswell ;
(Chicago: no publisher,
1942). ca. 450 pp. in two volumes, (various pagination),
softbound. Offered for sale
by Linda Kacmarcik at US$40.00
Any one searching Penn. Clendenins?
Here is an interesting sounding book if so.
Betty in Idaho
Robinson, Mary E.G. & McCreesh, Carolyn D.: ADA
CLENDENIN
WILLIAMSON, 1880-1958. ; Glimpses of the artist through
her diaries, letters and
scrapbooks. 80pp. 19 plates (3 color). 4to. Wraps. West
Chester, Pennsylvania
Chester County Historical Society 1982 ADA CLENDENIN
WILLIAMSON,
1880-1958.Glimpses of the artist through her diaries,
letters and scrapbooks. Art,
American Robinson, Mary E.G. Williamson, Ada Clendenin,
1880-1958. B15980-1
Offered for sale by Ars Libri, Ltd. at US$22.50
Today i found out who my clendenins were. O ther than just rosa blanche Clendenin McAdoo from Henry county tn..
her dad was James Clendinen. Her mom was Harriet Toombs-Clendenin. In alot of these old papers i have seen Clendinen spelt soo many ways i couldnt believe it. And this was the same immediate family!
James children were:
Nancy Clendinen who married RN Clendinen in 1896 i think it says. Says he was a relative to her also.
Growman (James Robert) Clendinen who married Edna Fitch 1902 Growman died in 1962 and Edna in 1969
HUrley Clendinen married Blanche Parker and they moved to CA in the 1930s.
Winnie Clendinen married Cuterill Hicks. winnie lived from 18980- 1964
children were named: James and Harriet
JOhn Jackson Clendinen who married Alice Cleve Wilett in 1902
Jerry Clendinen died 1972
married Charlette Moyers/Meyers in Fayettesville TN. Had no children
Grace Clendinen who died in 1928 at 29 or 30 yrs. she married Loyd Russell
had 3 children
Ferol Russell McClain alive
twin boys who died Paul and Frank
Rosa Blanche Clendenin who married Bert McAdoo- my great grand parents;
they had:
Bertie Toombs McAdoo HUtson
Robbie McAdoo Greer
Rosalie McAdoo
Clayton McAdoo
Rosa was born jan5 1884 she was 82 when she died
Bert her husband was only 59 when he died in 1940.
James Clendinens siblings were;
John Clendinen and wife Mattie ?
Frank Clendinen- wife? children were: Philip
Maggie
Lille
Poca Clendinen Barnes
children were:
1?
2?
3 Soukie
This is what i found out today.
Does anyone know James parents?
Thanks
Lisa
HAVE A NICE DAY
ABANDONED CEMETERIES
Many rural cemeteries that were abandoned long ago have become overrun
with weeds. Stones are broken, wind ravaged, and difficult to read.
Often, stones were simply jagged pieces of rock to mark the grave and
contained no writing on them. Although it may seem impossible to find
out who occupies the graves, it's not.
The first step is figuring out the name of the cemetery. Some
cemeteries had several names. Check land records to find out who owned
the cemetery property; the cemetery could have been known by the
owner's name.
The next step is to search through county death records and local
newspapers to find all entries of people who were buried in the
cemetery, by whichever name it might have been known. Family members
who disappear from census records in the immediate area may be buried
there. You may soon discover that you have more names than stones.
Hello,
I will be away from home and the US on a business trip between 05 Aug and 20
August.
Please hold any requests for information or other action until my return.
Thank you,
Sharon