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In a message dated 12/17/00 6:36:05 AM, SharonBryant(a)worldnet.att.net writes:
<< Dear List Members,
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Dear List Members,
It is that time of year again when we suddenly will have an influx of
new online genealogy enthusiasts with their holiday gift computers that
are usually newer and faster than what many of the rest of us have.
For a great many of them, it will be their first time online. Some of
them will make mistakes and some may (will) unintentionally do things
and write things that may be irritating to us and against what we have
set up as our list rules. Please take this into consideration in advance
and be helpful to them. If things get out of hand, know that I am
behind the scenes taking care of the problems. Just remember, one of
these new members might hold the clue you have been searching for. Let
us not discourage them before they have a chance to learn how this
works.
I would like also to take this time to wish each of you and yours a
wonderful and safe Holiday Season.
Sharon
Can anyone help Paul?
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Dill
To: SharonBryant(a)worldnet.att.net
Cc: pauld(a)frognet.net
Sent: Sunday, December 17, 2000 8:32 AM
Subject: ruthann glendenning
I am loolking for a Ruthann Glendenning .Had children Susannah,Rebecca,and Hen(male Im sure this is a nickname) Cant find her parents or a spouse. I think this family lived in mountains of west virgina in mid 1850. unable to find birh dates but believe Susanaah was born in 1855. In or near Phillipi West VIirginia. please help .
While this website does not have all the quarterlies it is at least a
starting point for those who have roots in Virginia
http://www.rootsweb.com/~usgenweb/special/wmmaryqtr/index.htm
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matters not how brilliant his capacity."
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Bud <West Virginia>
Hello listers,
Some recent revelations from Scottish records, libraries, etc. APPEAR to
confirm that the William bap. at Langholm in 1680 is not the same William
who died at Quarterland in 1764.
Will have more information after Christmas and will update you on what has
been found at that time.
Sharon
Hi Tom Thatcher,
I was just looking at your website for the first time the other day and
theres some data I collected about Jonathan Houston Clendennan that might
interest you, and others of your line. Am having trouble with my service
at the moment, so this e-mail is going to <CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com> for
now, as I forgot to make note of your e-mail address and can't seem to open
my server at this time.
At one time I thought Jonathan might belong to my UEL Clendinning family of
the same area. He married Leny Magdalena Beamer and this couple is likely
the Jonathan Clendenin married Laura Bauer that you name that went to
Canada, son of James Clendenin and Isabella Huston.
Obituary:
DIED,
On Friday evening the 22nd ult. At his house in St. Catharines, Mr.
Jonathan Huston Clendennan, Teacher, after a short illness, aged 51 years
and 2 months. Mr. C. was a native of Pennsylvania, and has resided in this
vicinity but principally in St. Catharines, since 1806; during which time
he was actively engaged for 25 years in conducting an english School. The
successful issue of his indefatigable exersions in his vocation, is
apparent in the advancement of many of his pupils to the Magistry of this
district, and other offices under Government, and in their otherwise
becoming influential members of the community. His industry, together with
the late rapid growth of the place in which he had become an edxtensive
land proprietor, placed him in independent circumstances [as] his purse and
services were ever ready in the cause of charity. As a worthy Mason, an
active friend of humanity, and a useful member of society, he will long be
remembered by his neighbors, who cannot fail to appreciate his worth. His
remains were followed to his grave in the Presbyterian burial ground of
this place, by an unusually large concession of his neighbors and others,
on Sunday afternoon, the 24th ult. When a funeral discourse was delivered
by the Rev. Mr. McGill, of Niagara. His lose is severely felt by his
bereaved family and sympathising friends.
--St. Catharines Journal, Apr 28 1836, p3, c5 (AO/N-28 r1)
Jonathan Huston Clendennan died intestate. However, his wife had a will:
PROBATE WILL: LENY CLENDENNAN, St, Widow, 1851, St. Catharines, RG 22,
6-I-A (AO/MS 638 r44)
Excerpts:
* * * *
Inventory of goods and property belonging to the Estate of the late Leny
Clendennan, at her decease
Stock of Groceries & Grocery furniture 200.0.0
One Silver Watch 3.0.0
One pair Gold Spectacles 2.0.0
Side Board £6.0.0 1 Dinning Table £2.0.0 8.0.0
2 Half Round and one Sofa Table 2.10.0
1 Sofa £5.0.0 1 Rocking chair £1.0.0 6.0.0
8 Windsor chairs £1.0/ one brass Clock
£1.5 2.5.0 223.15.
1 Looking glass 10.0
1 Pair of Brass Candlesticks 5.0
Knives forks Spoons 1.0.0
1 Coat Stand 5.0
Kitchen furniture 5.0.0
Lot of Books & small portable Desk 6.10.0
2 Beds, Bedding & Bedsteads 10.0.0 23.10
1 Dressing Bureau 5.0.0
1 Bureau Mahogandy front 3.0.0
1 Chest & Wash stand 1.10.0
1 Promisory note Deborah Beamer due 26th March
1851 25.0.0
1 do Philip Beamer due 21 Sept 1851 20.0.0
4 Shares of Stock in Comml Bank UD 100.0.0
Unpaid Dividend therein No 35 3.0.0
Bal due on Doctor Goodmans Mortgage 8.10.0 166.
£413.5.
Geo Rykert )
Philip Beamer ) Executors
St Catharines March 1851
* * * *
In the Name of God Amen I Leny Clendennan of Saint Catharines in
the District of Niagara and Province of Canada Widow of the late Jonathan
Houston Clendennan of Saint Catharines aforesaid Schoolmaster, deceased,
Being of sound and perfect mind and memory, praised be Almighty God for the
same. And being desirous to settle all my worldly affairs whilse I have
strength and capacity to do so. Do make and Publish this my Last Will and
Testament. And first and principally I commit my soul into the hands of my
Creator who gave it and my Body to the Earth be be interred at the
direction of my Executors inafter named and appointed. And as to such
worldly Estate wherewith it hath pleased God to intrust me, I dispose of
the same as follows To Wit
First It is my will and request that all my just debits and
funeral charges be paid out of my personal property as soon after my
decease as may be convenient and practicable and should my personal
property be found insufficient to pay all my said just debts then and in
such case it is my will and request that the balance shall be paid out of
such part of my personal Estate as my said Executors or the survivor of
survivors of them shall deem proper to dispose of for that purpose
Secondly I give and bequeath unto my son James Beamer Clendennan
and my daughter Sidney Ermina Clendennan their heirs and assigns all my
household furniture Beds Bedsteads and beddings and all my other personal
property whatsoever that may be left after paying all my just debts as
aforesaid to be equally divided between them by my said Executors.
Thirdly I give unto my Executors hereinafter named, in Trust all
my real Estate whatsoever that I now own or may own at my decease in St.
Catharines or elswhere for the benefit maintenance and support of my said
son James Beamer Clendennan and my said daughter Sidney Ermina Clendennan
or the survivor of them during their natural lives hereby giving to my said
Executors or any two or the survivor or survivors of them full power and
Authority to Sell and Convey, Lease, Let or otherwise to dispose of my real
Estate as they or any two or the survivor of them shall consider just and
proper And in case of any sale being made, the proceeds or money arising
from such sale to be invested, and the interest or actual profits, of such
investment, and the rents and profits arising out of any Lease or other
disposal of said estate ir any part thereof, only or such proportions
thereof as my said Executors or any two of them, or the survivor of them as
aforesaid shall from time to time deem proper, shall be
* * * *
be given as aforesaid for the benefit, maintenance and support of my said
son and daughter or the survivors of them during the natural lives of both
or the natural life of either of them and should any balance of such
interest, rents, or profits at any time remain in the hands of my said
Executors or Executor, such balance or balances to be also invested from
time to time to be disposed of after the decease of my said son and
daughter as hereinafter provided.
Fourthly should my said son James and my said daughter Sidney or
either of them at their demise leave any lawful child or children, I give
devise and bequeath all my real Estate and all inheretments made by said
Executors out of my Estate as aforesaid which shall remain or exist at the
decease of my said son and daughter. Unto such child or children lawfully
begotten and to his her or their heirs and assigns forever and should there
be more than one such child as aforesaid then the whole of the said
property to be equally divided among all, share and share alike, each one
to have his or her share or proportion when he or she attains the age of
twenty one years to be alloted to them by my said Executors or the survivor
or survivors of them, or by such person or persons as my said Executors or
the survivor or survivors of them shall lawfully appoint for that purpose.
Fifthly In the event on the demise or death of my said son James
Beamer Clendennan and my said daughter Sidney Ermina Clendennan without any
lawful child or children, then and on such case I give devise and bequeath
all my real Estate whatsoever, all investments made by my Executors as
aforesaid, all monies, Mortgages, Bonds, Notes, Accounts, and all other
property of my Said Estate at the decease of my said son and daughter Unto
the then surviving children of my three Executors hereinafter named and
appointed and to their and each of their heirs and assigns forever as
tenants in common, to be equally divided share and share alike among all
the children of my said three Executors The respective shares or portions
to be divided or allotted by my said Executors, or the survivor or
survivors of them, or by such other person or persons as they or the
survivor or survivors of them shall lawfully appoint.
Sixthly I give unto my said son James Beamer Clendennan and my
daughter Sidney Ermina Clendennan during their natural lives the one half
of Pew number Twenty five which I now own in the Presbyterian Church in
Saint Catharines, and after the decease of both my said son and daughter I
give and bequeath the said half
* * * *
half of Pew number twenty five to my two brothers Philip and Daniel Beamer
and to their and each of them heirs and assigns forever.
Seventhly and Lastly I do hereby nominate and appoint my Brothers
Philip Beamer and Daniel Beamer both of the Township of Louth District and
Province aforesaid yeomen, and my esteemed friend George Rykert of Saint
Catharines, District and Province aforesaid Esquire, jointly and severally
Executors of this my said Last Will and Testament and in case of the death
of either then the survivor or survivors of them as aforesaid, Hereby
revoking and making void all former Wills by me at any time heretofor made.
In Witness whereof I have to this my Last Will and Testament, set
my hand and seal this First day of April In the year of Our Lord one
thousand eight hundred and Forty-five
Leny Clendennan
Signed, Sealed, Published and )
Declared, by the said Testatrix, Leny )
Clendennan to be her Last Will and )
Testament I presence of us who in )
presence of each other have hereunto )
subscribed our names as witnesses )
Jno Mittleberger
Thomas Burns
In a message dated 12/10/00 1:53:21 PM Eastern Standard Time, CraigH9557
writes:
> I am looking for information on the Clendenen family that attended Second
> Presbyterian church of baltimore city between 1803 and 1830. Their names
> are: Dr. Clendenen(Clendening), A. Clendenen, William H. Clendenen. The
> Craigs in the same church record are: Mrs. Craggs, ----Craggs, Mr. Craig,
> J. Craig, John Craig, John D. Craig.
>
>
I can't help on these, maybe someone on the clendinen list can help
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I DIDN'T VOTE FOR HIS DADDY EITHER
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> 1711, and four children: Verena, born March 16, 1727, Adelheid,
> born February 10, 1732, Heinrich, born September 13, 1733, and
> Anna, born May 11, 1738; to Pennsylvania.
>
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> IMMIGRANTS INTO PENNSYLVANIA: Volume 1
> Name: Joh. Conrad Fromm.
> Ship: SHIP LYDIA.
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> LIST OF FOREIGNERS IMPORTED IN THE SHIP LYDIA.
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> Hans Jacob Houser, 23, Rodick Frick, 30, Johannes Frick, 19,
> Andreas Crook, 45, Hans Jacob Frie, 30, Ulrick Spinder, 23,
> Hendrick Seeds, 28, Hendrick Seeds, junr., 28,
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> [p.59] Pfister, a master butcher in the city of Reading, she
> wishes to take her inheritance in this country over to America.
> Anna Barbara is a daughter of Conrad Kunzli, who died in America
> in 1769, by his first wife who bore him 2 children. He had three
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> told about his circumstances. Since it is not known where the
> other children are, or whether they are still living, the
> government only allows one-fifth of the property of 937 gulden
> to be withdrawn. The emigration tax of 10 percent is deducted.
> Among the documents there is a statement made out by Pastor A.
> Helffenstein on December 10, 1773, in Germantown, saying that
> the Schmidt-Kunzli couple are members of the Reformed Church;
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> Dec. 9, 1773, for Joh. Jak. Pfister. A form printed in the
> German language was used for this warrant. Peter Miller,
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> Captain: DANIEL MONTPELIER
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> Name: Henry Gimper,
> Ship: EDINBURG
> Place: ROTTERDAM
> Date: OCT. 2, 1753
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Found this on another list. Worth the time to go take a look at it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "April" <pab(a)cfw.com>
To: <Scotch-Irish-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, December 08, 2000 10:56 PM
Subject: [Scotch-Irish] Another line in Augusta County VA...
> http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/quarrybank/194/patton.htm
>
> this might be of interest to some of the Patton line...
>
Hear! Hear!! We are nothing, if not proud!
----- Original Message -----
From: "betty rossow" <blrossow(a)qwest.net>
To: <CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2000 11:00 AM
Subject: [CLENDINEN] Re: this is in today's Povidence Journal
> Folks, I think that is Providence Journal. Never the less it's an
> interesting read. Sent from the Clendenning Horse Thieves.
> Betty in Idaho
>
>
>
> 12.5.2000 00:05
> The Scots' sturdy sense of nationhood
> EDINBURGH
>
> WHY AM I HERE? It's 35 degrees, raining, and dark by 3 p.m. In spite of
> my
> love for the tropics, I decided to spend a semester here studying
> philosophy at Edinburgh University.
>
> I remind myself that I didn't come to Edinburgh for the weather, the
> food,
> or even the philosophy; I came to learn about my ancestry. I am
> searching
> for a part of my identity that I have known only through stories and
> family trees. I come to Scotland to look for the ghosts of my
> ancestors, to
> understand why some gave their lives for this country and some then
> fled
> to America. I hope they will help me answer the question, "What is it
> to be
> Scottish?"
>
> Scotland is in limbo. At first, it was a loosely connected group of
> clans,
> joined only in their determination to remain independent of the
> English.
> Since then, it has become a kingdom united with its former enemy under
> one
> monarch, in a status that has led it to join with the English, the
> Welsh
> and the Northern Irish in fighting off foreign threats to the British
> Isles
> from time to time. And now, Scotland is an ambivalent player in the
> new
> European Union that still seeks to protect its distinct qualities.
>
> Categorizing Scotland is perplexing. Is it an independent country or
> just
> a part of Britain? Only a Scot would answer this complicated political
>
> question in terms of sports: "Well, we have a football team in the
> World
> Cup, eh?" In spite of increasing pressure to hop on the European
> bandwagon
> (British Prime Minister Tony Blair just committed the United Kingdom to
>
> the new European Army, an alliance that could mean the end of NATO),
> Scotland
> is determined to strengthen its identity. While Mel Gibson battled the
>
> English across movie screens in Braveheart , political actors were
> engaged in a
> new battle for Scottish independence.
>
> In the 1997 British general elections, the Labor Party won a huge
> victory
> over the Conservatives. Almost immediately, plans for Scottish
> devolution
> were debated in the British Parliament. In a 1998 general referendum,
> Scots voted "yes" for devolution by an astonishing 75 percent.
>
> Thus, Scotland's own parliament was convened for the first time since
> the
> Treaty of the Act of Union united the parliaments of England and
> Scotland,
> in 1707. The vote was welcomed not only in Scotland but in England,
> too.
> Tony Blair commented, "The devolution of Scotland and Wales will be the
>
> U.K.'s salvation."
>
> At the opening of the Scottish Parliament, in July 1999, Queen
> Elizabeth
> added, "The strong sense of identity of the Scottish people is a
> quality
> which contributes so much to life in the United KIngdom."
>
> Most Scots do not want complete independence from Britain. Instead,
> they
> see devolution as a general strengthening of democracy in the U.K.
> However,
> there are some in Scotland, especially within the Scottish National
> Party,
> who fight for complete independence from the rest of Britain. Their
> dreams
> seem to echo those of their ancestors who cried, in the Declaration of
> Arbroath, in 1320, "As long as one hundred of us remain alive we will
> never on any conditions be brought under English rule."
>
> I asked one guy if he felt more allegiance to Scotland or to Britain.
> He
> just stared at me incredulously. "Bloody hell, mate, I hate the
> English."
> Strangely enough, the strongest sources of Scottish nationalism spring
> from their most common stereotypes. The Scots are proud of their
> history, one
> of the darkest yet most inspiring the world has witnessed. As the
> movie
> Braveheart exemplifies, the history of Scotland hinges on myths,
> legends
> and local heroes. This is appropriate for a country that, in its own
> words,
> "has often been invaded, but never been conquered." (I haven't dared
> to openly
> question the historical accuracy of this statement.) Even the
> atrocities
> of religious persecutions and famous witchhunts do not shame the
> Scots.
>
> On Halloween, I took a tour of the recently discovered underground city
> in
> Edinburgh. I walked past giant vaults where hundreds of people had died
> of
> starvation or were burned alive in one of several great fires that used
> to
> plague Edinburgh. Our tour guide proudly pointed out these facts: "In
> the
> Middle Ages, Edinburgh was the worst city in all of Europe. If the
> plague
> didn't get you, starvation or pneumonia would!"
>
> Scots are just as eager to embrace their kilts and bagpipes. Men of all
>
> ages wear kilts, mostly to special occasions, although it is not
> uncommon to
> see a kilted man in a pub or sitting in the library. Scottish soldiers
> until
> World War II even wore kilts along with their machine-guns and radios
> into
> battle.
>
> A student at the University of Edinburgh remarked, "Kilts mean
> different
> things for different people. For me it is a sign of differentiation
> from
> the rest of the U.K. I am British but more importantly I am Scottish."
> He went on to explain why the kilt and bagpipe customs have
> prevailed. "Any country
> that has been marginalized by the rest of the world will fight harder
> to
> preserve what symbolizes it as a nation." Just don't call it a skirt.
>
> After three months, I feel that I can start to say what it is to be
> Scottish. Above all, pride links the Scots together. It is pride in the
>
> way they speak. Naturally, they assert that their accent is more
> beautiful
> than the gutter accents of the English. It is pride in the quantity of
> beer
> they drink. Scots often brag that Edinburgh has more pubs per capita
> than any
> other city. My philosophy professor proudly acknowledges that Scotland
> is
> a country of professional alcoholics. It is pride in their national
> football
> team in spite of repeated defeats by the English. It is pride in their
> ancestry and their determination to never give up on sovereignty. And
> it
> is pride in their weather, which often seems to me to be the worst on
> the
> planet.
>
> As boundaries fall and traditions mix in the rest of Europe, it is
> unclear
> how much change Scotland will accept. It is clear, however, that the
> pressure of globalization will never make Scotland forget the sense of
> nationality that it has fought almost a thousand years to preserve. The
>
> Scots are too proud a people to forget.
>
> Charles P. Trumbull IV is a junior at Dartmouth College majoring in
> philosophy.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
Folks, I think that is Providence Journal. Never the less it's an
interesting read. Sent from the Clendenning Horse Thieves.
Betty in Idaho
12.5.2000 00:05
The Scots' sturdy sense of nationhood
EDINBURGH
WHY AM I HERE? It's 35 degrees, raining, and dark by 3 p.m. In spite of
my
love for the tropics, I decided to spend a semester here studying
philosophy at Edinburgh University.
I remind myself that I didn't come to Edinburgh for the weather, the
food,
or even the philosophy; I came to learn about my ancestry. I am
searching
for a part of my identity that I have known only through stories and
family trees. I come to Scotland to look for the ghosts of my
ancestors, to
understand why some gave their lives for this country and some then
fled
to America. I hope they will help me answer the question, "What is it
to be
Scottish?"
Scotland is in limbo. At first, it was a loosely connected group of
clans,
joined only in their determination to remain independent of the
English.
Since then, it has become a kingdom united with its former enemy under
one
monarch, in a status that has led it to join with the English, the
Welsh
and the Northern Irish in fighting off foreign threats to the British
Isles
from time to time. And now, Scotland is an ambivalent player in the
new
European Union that still seeks to protect its distinct qualities.
Categorizing Scotland is perplexing. Is it an independent country or
just
a part of Britain? Only a Scot would answer this complicated political
question in terms of sports: "Well, we have a football team in the
World
Cup, eh?" In spite of increasing pressure to hop on the European
bandwagon
(British Prime Minister Tony Blair just committed the United Kingdom to
the new European Army, an alliance that could mean the end of NATO),
Scotland
is determined to strengthen its identity. While Mel Gibson battled the
English across movie screens in Braveheart , political actors were
engaged in a
new battle for Scottish independence.
In the 1997 British general elections, the Labor Party won a huge
victory
over the Conservatives. Almost immediately, plans for Scottish
devolution
were debated in the British Parliament. In a 1998 general referendum,
Scots voted "yes" for devolution by an astonishing 75 percent.
Thus, Scotland's own parliament was convened for the first time since
the
Treaty of the Act of Union united the parliaments of England and
Scotland,
in 1707. The vote was welcomed not only in Scotland but in England,
too.
Tony Blair commented, "The devolution of Scotland and Wales will be the
U.K.'s salvation."
At the opening of the Scottish Parliament, in July 1999, Queen
Elizabeth
added, "The strong sense of identity of the Scottish people is a
quality
which contributes so much to life in the United KIngdom."
Most Scots do not want complete independence from Britain. Instead,
they
see devolution as a general strengthening of democracy in the U.K.
However,
there are some in Scotland, especially within the Scottish National
Party,
who fight for complete independence from the rest of Britain. Their
dreams
seem to echo those of their ancestors who cried, in the Declaration of
Arbroath, in 1320, "As long as one hundred of us remain alive we will
never on any conditions be brought under English rule."
I asked one guy if he felt more allegiance to Scotland or to Britain.
He
just stared at me incredulously. "Bloody hell, mate, I hate the
English."
Strangely enough, the strongest sources of Scottish nationalism spring
from their most common stereotypes. The Scots are proud of their
history, one
of the darkest yet most inspiring the world has witnessed. As the
movie
Braveheart exemplifies, the history of Scotland hinges on myths,
legends
and local heroes. This is appropriate for a country that, in its own
words,
"has often been invaded, but never been conquered." (I haven't dared
to openly
question the historical accuracy of this statement.) Even the
atrocities
of religious persecutions and famous witchhunts do not shame the
Scots.
On Halloween, I took a tour of the recently discovered underground city
in
Edinburgh. I walked past giant vaults where hundreds of people had died
of
starvation or were burned alive in one of several great fires that used
to
plague Edinburgh. Our tour guide proudly pointed out these facts: "In
the
Middle Ages, Edinburgh was the worst city in all of Europe. If the
plague
didn't get you, starvation or pneumonia would!"
Scots are just as eager to embrace their kilts and bagpipes. Men of all
ages wear kilts, mostly to special occasions, although it is not
uncommon to
see a kilted man in a pub or sitting in the library. Scottish soldiers
until
World War II even wore kilts along with their machine-guns and radios
into
battle.
A student at the University of Edinburgh remarked, "Kilts mean
different
things for different people. For me it is a sign of differentiation
from
the rest of the U.K. I am British but more importantly I am Scottish."
He went on to explain why the kilt and bagpipe customs have
prevailed. "Any country
that has been marginalized by the rest of the world will fight harder
to
preserve what symbolizes it as a nation." Just don't call it a skirt.
After three months, I feel that I can start to say what it is to be
Scottish. Above all, pride links the Scots together. It is pride in the
way they speak. Naturally, they assert that their accent is more
beautiful
than the gutter accents of the English. It is pride in the quantity of
beer
they drink. Scots often brag that Edinburgh has more pubs per capita
than any
other city. My philosophy professor proudly acknowledges that Scotland
is
a country of professional alcoholics. It is pride in their national
football
team in spite of repeated defeats by the English. It is pride in their
ancestry and their determination to never give up on sovereignty. And
it
is pride in their weather, which often seems to me to be the worst on
the
planet.
As boundaries fall and traditions mix in the rest of Europe, it is
unclear
how much change Scotland will accept. It is clear, however, that the
pressure of globalization will never make Scotland forget the sense of
nationality that it has fought almost a thousand years to preserve. The
Scots are too proud a people to forget.
Charles P. Trumbull IV is a junior at Dartmouth College majoring in
philosophy.
Received this from a list. Looks very helpful and has an Idaho
connection for all you tater toes out there.
Betty
SORRY, SENIOR MOMENT!!!!
I have found lots of interesting info at the following website. Hope
you find something interesting...
http://www.uwec.edu/Admin/Library/spcoll/archweb.html
HI,
I had surgery on Thursday morning and it has taken more out of me than I
expected. Removed my gallbladder (stone the size of the first digit of my
thumb if not bigger). And repaired a hernia (third time--seems the abdominal
wall muscles are tissue-paper thin).
You all are going to have to take care of yourselves for a while. I'll be
back on line when I can sit upright without getting dizzy.
I'll talk to you later.
Sharon