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Greetings to all.
I'm a newcomer to the list... and very new to genealogical excursions.
I'm a sixth-great grandson of Charles Clendinen (nay, Clendenin).
My father: William Stewart Clendinen (b.1937, Evansville IN).
Grandfather: Stewart Archer Clendinen (b.1899, Gallipolis, OH; d.1962, Ft.
Lauderdale, FL).
Great-grandfather: John William ("J. Will") Clendinen (unkown to me).
Great-great grandfather: Charles Augustus Clendinen (unknown to me).
Part of what sparked my interest and moved me to weigh in today was the
recent discussion about the Covenanters in Scotland. I am an Associate
Reformed Presbyterian minister in SC. The ARP's are the American
descendants of the Scottish Covenanters (as well as the Seceders). I, too,
am interested in discovering any Seceder or Covenanter roots.
I look forward to learning from all of you.
Charles Clendinen
Redeemer Presbyterian Church
843.293.8399
redeemer(a)mindspring.com
http://redeemer.jcnet.net
Sandy and others: James and Margaret (Anderson) Clendenin and their son,
John were in Sullivan Co., Tenn. in 1774. See: Sullivan Co., TN deed book #
1, page 154, Summer's "History of Southwest Virginia." Draper MS 15DD38,
2XX33, Anderson MS and "Skillern Family History" by Ethylmae Carter and
Darlene Appell.
Don
In a message dated 1/31/00 9:47:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
CLENDINEN-D-request(a)rootsweb.com writes:
<< In a message dated 1/30/00 11:05:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,
Gclenden(a)cs.com
writes:
> more than one James Clendennen alive in the late 1700's and we aren't sure
> if our James who married Margaret Anderson is the son of William
Glendening
> of Scotland who had a James, >>
Who is the son of William, named James? I have a James b in 1752, lived in
PA. My James' eldest son was named William.
Lori
The following information has been posted many times, and I am interested in
knowing if anyone has descendants of John Clendenin below. There is a John
Clendenen on the 1840 Clay County, Missouri census, and I am wondering if
this was his son? Thanks, Linda
<< Descendants of Margaret Anderson
1 Margaret Anderson b: 10 April 1743 in Augusta Co., VA d: 1805
in Kentucky
. +James Clendenin b: 1736 in Lancaster Co., PA m: 1758 in
Augusta Co., VA d: 1810-1811 in Rockcastle Co., KY Father: Charles
CLENDENIN Mother: Mary Ann PATTERSON
.... 2 Hannah Anderson Clendenin b: 1759 in Augusta Co., VA
.... 2 John Clendenin b: 1760 in Augusta Co., VA d: 1827 in
Randolph Co., IL
........ +Mary Sympson m: 1781 d: 1813 in Randolph Co., IL
Father: Henry SIMPSON Mother:
.... 2 Mary Clendenin b: 1761 in Augusta Co., VA d: 1853 in
Reedy,
Roane Co., WV
........ +Charles Francis Boggs b: 1754 in Chester Co., PA m: 1776
in Greenbrier Co., VA d: 1837 in Braxton Co., VA Father: James
Charles
BOGGS Mother: Margaret Jane SHARP
.... 2 Rebecca Clendenin b: 1762-1769 in Augusta Co., VA d: 26
April 1836 in Green Co., KY
........ +William Sympson m: 01 January 1789 in Washington
Co.,
PA Father: Henry SIMPSON Mother:
.... 2 Elizabeth "Betsy" Clendenin b: 1767-1770 in Augusta Co., VA
d: Aft. 1830 in Greenbrier Co., VA
........ +Caleb Knapp b: 1763-1767 in Connecticut m: 16 August
1787
in Greenbrier Co., VA d: 1829-1830 in Greenbrier Co., VA Father:
Titus
Justus KNAPP Mother: Althea MARSHALL
.... 2 William Clendenin b: 1773 in Augusta Co., VA d: 30
January
1844 in Cole, MO
........ +Helen Fowler m: 09 October 1797 in Washington Co., VA
Father: Mother:
.... 2 Josiah Clendenin b: 1775 in Augusta Co., VA
........ +Esther Livingstone m: 20 June 1797 in Madison Co., KY
Father: Mother:
.... 2 Martha "Patsy" Clendenin b: 1780 in Greenbrier Co., VA
d: 1840-1850 in Knox Co., IN
........ +Joseph Baldwin m: 09 March 1800 in Garrard Co., KY
Father: Mother:
>>
In a message dated 1/30/00 11:05:15 PM Eastern Standard Time, Gclenden(a)cs.com
writes:
> more than one James Clendennen alive in the late 1700's and we aren't sure
> if our James who married Margaret Anderson is the son of William Glendening
> of Scotland who had a James, or maybe the son of Charles
Mine is prob. the son of Charles, see below, but I don't have them in Tenn,
are you on the Clendenin list?
Sandy in Florida
Descendants of Margaret Anderson
1 Margaret Anderson b: 10 April 1743 in Augusta Co., VA d: 1805
in Kentucky
. +James Clendenin b: 1736 in Lancaster Co., PA m: 1758 in
Augusta Co., VA d: 1810-1811 in Rockcastle Co., KY Father: Charles
CLENDENIN Mother: Mary Ann PATTERSON
.... 2 Hannah Anderson Clendenin b: 1759 in Augusta Co., VA
.... 2 John Clendenin b: 1760 in Augusta Co., VA d: 1827 in
Randolph Co., IL
........ +Mary Sympson m: 1781 d: 1813 in Randolph Co., IL
Father: Henry SIMPSON Mother:
.... 2 Mary Clendenin b: 1761 in Augusta Co., VA d: 1853 in Reedy,
Roane Co., WV
........ +Charles Francis Boggs b: 1754 in Chester Co., PA m: 1776
in Greenbrier Co., VA d: 1837 in Braxton Co., VA Father: James Charles
BOGGS Mother: Margaret Jane SHARP
.... 2 Rebecca Clendenin b: 1762-1769 in Augusta Co., VA d: 26
April 1836 in Green Co., KY
........ +William Sympson m: 01 January 1789 in Washington Co.,
PA Father: Henry SIMPSON Mother:
.... 2 Elizabeth "Betsy" Clendenin b: 1767-1770 in Augusta Co., VA
d: Aft. 1830 in Greenbrier Co., VA
........ +Caleb Knapp b: 1763-1767 in Connecticut m: 16 August 1787
in Greenbrier Co., VA d: 1829-1830 in Greenbrier Co., VA Father: Titus
Justus KNAPP Mother: Althea MARSHALL
.... 2 William Clendenin b: 1773 in Augusta Co., VA d: 30 January
1844 in Cole, MO
........ +Helen Fowler m: 09 October 1797 in Washington Co., VA
Father: Mother:
.... 2 Josiah Clendenin b: 1775 in Augusta Co., VA
........ +Esther Livingstone m: 20 June 1797 in Madison Co., KY
Father: Mother:
.... 2 Martha "Patsy" Clendenin b: 1780 in Greenbrier Co., VA
d: 1840-1850 in Knox Co., IN
........ +Joseph Baldwin m: 09 March 1800 in Garrard Co., KY
Father: Mother:
Cindy & Sharon have mentioned a web site by G. T. Clindening. Is that the
Gerald Talbot Clindening who is the author of "The House of Glendonning"? Or
could it be a near relative of the author? The original G. T. Clindening
would be a very, very old man. WHAT IS THE WEB SITE ADDRESS?
Don
Date forwarded: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 06:36:54 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: "Sharon Bryant" <SharonBryant(a)worldnet.att.net>
From: "Sharon Bryant" <SharonBryant(a)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [CLENDINEN] Baptisms in UK including Scotland
Date sent: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 09:30:29 -0500
To: CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Forwarded by: CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Cyndy,
I assume that by G. T. Clindening you are referring to G. T. Clindening. If
so, where did you find this information?
The names and dates are correct as I have verified that with a photostatic
copy of the microfilmed entry(-ies).
There is additional information which you may not have due to your recent
involvement. The researcher I hired in Scotland was at a loss to find these
baptisms/christenings in the Scots records until he did a search for any
possible variant.
The names are listed in the Staplegorton Parish as "Glendunning". Which does
not surprise me as I found that spelling and many others in the Scots Parish
Records. ALSO important is the fact that these men were not listed in
chronological order with all of the other baptisms/christenings of the same
time period. They were listed out of order. He explained that prominent
families sometimes did this (after the fact) to establish their parentage
and lineage.
ALSO, extremely important is the fact that this branch of the Glendinning
family was CATHOLIC in origin.
Now I know that does not clarify or verify the birth dates but I think we
should consider that if William was born in 1668 instead of 1680 we are
MISSING a generation.
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: <CROBIN5008(a)aol.com>
To: <CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 10:04 AM
Subject: [CLENDINEN] Baptisms in UK including Scotland
> Group,
> After reading a web site by G. T. Clindening, I thought I would give you a
> little information on the Church of England that may explain the Baptism
age.
> I was raised in the Anglican Church which is Episcopalian in US. This is
the
> same as the Church of England. Baptisms were not done as a infant. It was
> called Christenings. Baptisms were done when the child was 12 years old
> instead.
>
Hi Sharon,
Thank you for your response. This is an area of which I and my
wife have done considerable research and thinking about. We have
concluded through discussion with other researchers and people
who are knowlegeable about Scottish research that there is
definitely at least one and possibly two missing generations. Our
reasons for this conclusion are the dates, time frames and
activities of the principals are not consistent to biological rhythms.
On a second note we recently purchased through the Scottish
Historical Society two CD-ROMS called "RETOURS OF
SERVICES OF HEIRS" which covers the period 1544-1699
Volumes I-III and "Decennial Indexes to the SERVICES OF HEIRS
IN SCOTLAND" which covers the period of 1700-1859 Volumes I -
IV. The cost for these two CD's is 69 pounds sterling (approximate
U.S. $125). For further reading a suggestion is "CATHOLIC
FAMILY HISTORY: A BIBLIOGRAPHY FOR SCOTLAND" by
Michael Gandy. If we find anything else we'll keep you posted.
Steve in Toronto, Canada
Date forwarded: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 07:57:31 -0800 (PST)
Date sent: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:57:57 -0500
From: Mary Louise Townsend <mloutown(a)loudoun.com>
Organization: Townsend Clan
Subject: [CLENDINEN] Catholic Glendunning
To: CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Forwarded by: CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Dear Sharon,
My John Clendinen (c 1704 Scotland, died 1797 in Cumberland Co, PA) is
supposed to be a son of the Wm. Glendunning you are talking about.
I have two questions--how was the Staplegorton Wm. G. identified as
Catholic? Is it a Catholic Church parish now?
>From info I have in PA, my John Clendinen (also Glendinning) had three
of his children baptised by a Presbyterian (Covenanter) minister who was
sent from Scotland to PA (Rev. Cuthbertson). To find out more about the
Covenanters, I joined the rootsweb Presbyterian mailing list, since my
Clendenins were Presbyterian until 1892. (One ancestor married into a
German Catholic family and this line of Ohio Clendenins became
Catholic.)
I queried the Presbyterian mailing list to find out which parishes in
Scotland would be of the "Covernanter" persuasion, hoping to find a
parish in the Dumfries area. The answer I got back from a Presbyterian
minister near Edinburgh, Scotland was that there were none that could be
so indentified. People had their children baptised/recorded in the
local parish whether they were Anglican or Presbyterian. Since all
these parishes started out as Catholic (before the 1500s Reformation)
could the Staplegorton parish have switched back and forth like the
politics of the time and is presently Catholic again?
Mary Louise
Hi Mary Louise,
In answer to your question, the publication which I quoted in my e-
mail to Sharon stated that "the reformation came to Scotland in
1560 and most Catholic structures were displaced almost
immediately. In those areas where Presbyterianism could be
energetic, Catholicism was totally uprooted and in the late 15
hundreds only the loyalty of the Gordons and Maxwells kept it alive
in their domains." Many of the Gordons and Maxwells married into
the Glendonwyn family during the time period of 1500 to 1800. The
area you need to research surrounds Langholm as this village was
part of Staplegorton. The book "A Topographical Dictionary of
Scotland" by Samuel Lewis published in 1846 mentions there are
places of worship for members of the Free Church and United
Presbyterian Church. It also mentions the decayed church of
Staplegorton which has a cemetery. Has anyone checked this?
My research indicates that Ninian's first wife Katherine Maxwell
was Catholic and his second wife Janet Dunbar was Protestant.
Janet's descendants remained protestants.
Steve in Toronto, Canada
Date forwarded: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 10:19:00 -0800 (PST)
Send reply to: "Sharon Bryant" <SharonBryant(a)worldnet.att.net>
From: "Sharon Bryant" <SharonBryant(a)worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [CLENDINEN] Catholic Glendunning
Date sent: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 13:12:49 -0500
To: CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Forwarded by: CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Mary Louise,
Hi. According to what I have read, from various sources, the Glendinnings
were like other families in Scotland who for what ever reasons went from
Catholic to the Protestant religions.
In order to determine what religion as specific branch of the family
practiced you'd have to look at the history of that particular parish
church.
I hated to muddy the waters but I don't want anyone to pass up a research
opportunity just because "my family has always been Presbyterian." Remember
we are talking about the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries here.
All Christian churches were Catholic in the beginning and it was not until
Martin Luther posted his protests on the church door that there were
Protestants.
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Louise Townsend <mloutown(a)loudoun.com>
To: <CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 10:57 AM
Subject: [CLENDINEN] Catholic Glendunning
> Dear Sharon,
>
> My John Clendinen (c 1704 Scotland, died 1797 in Cumberland Co, PA) is
> supposed to be a son of the Wm. Glendunning you are talking about.
>
> I have two questions--how was the Staplegorton Wm. G. identified as
> Catholic? Is it a Catholic Church parish now?
>
> >From info I have in PA, my John Clendinen (also Glendinning) had three
> of his children baptised by a Presbyterian (Covenanter) minister who was
> sent from Scotland to PA (Rev. Cuthbertson). To find out more about the
> Covenanters, I joined the rootsweb Presbyterian mailing list, since my
> Clendenins were Presbyterian until 1892. (One ancestor married into a
> German Catholic family and this line of Ohio Clendenins became
> Catholic.)
>
> I queried the Presbyterian mailing list to find out which parishes in
> Scotland would be of the "Covernanter" persuasion, hoping to find a
> parish in the Dumfries area. The answer I got back from a Presbyterian
> minister near Edinburgh, Scotland was that there were none that could be
> so indentified. People had their children baptised/recorded in the
> local parish whether they were Anglican or Presbyterian. Since all
> these parishes started out as Catholic (before the 1500s Reformation)
> could the Staplegorton parish have switched back and forth like the
> politics of the time and is presently Catholic again?
>
> Mary Louise
>
Hi Sharon,
A new thought occurred to me being that William Glendonwyn and
Agnes Gordon who married in 1781 had three daughters of whom
the eldest was Mary Lucia Elizabeth married 6 July 1801 in
Edinburgh at the Roman Catholic cathedral to Sir James Gordon.
She is buried, according to MONUMENTS AND MONUMENTAL
INSCRIPTIONS IN SCOTLAND VOLUME 2 by Charles Rogers, at
the Catholic chapel in Buckie in Banffshire. Her sister Ismene
Magdalene was also married in Edinburgh Roman Catholic
cathedral.
Steve in Toronto, Canada
I don't intend to belabor the point, but would ask you to think about this.
If there were Quaker Glendinnings what could there not have been Catholic
Glendinnings before Protestanism became a recognized religion?
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: <CROBIN5008(a)aol.com>
To: <CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 11:14 AM
Subject: Re: [CLENDINEN] Catholic Glendunning
> I don't think Sharon is correct to say that there was a Catholic
> Glendunnings. It was most likely Anglican. This church was a break off
from
> the Catholic church and therefore it did have similar traditions.
> Cyndy
>
>
Mary Louise,
Hi. According to what I have read, from various sources, the Glendinnings
were like other families in Scotland who for what ever reasons went from
Catholic to the Protestant religions.
In order to determine what religion as specific branch of the family
practiced you'd have to look at the history of that particular parish
church.
I hated to muddy the waters but I don't want anyone to pass up a research
opportunity just because "my family has always been Presbyterian." Remember
we are talking about the 16th, 17th, and 18th centuries here.
All Christian churches were Catholic in the beginning and it was not until
Martin Luther posted his protests on the church door that there were
Protestants.
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: Mary Louise Townsend <mloutown(a)loudoun.com>
To: <CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 30, 2000 10:57 AM
Subject: [CLENDINEN] Catholic Glendunning
> Dear Sharon,
>
> My John Clendinen (c 1704 Scotland, died 1797 in Cumberland Co, PA) is
> supposed to be a son of the Wm. Glendunning you are talking about.
>
> I have two questions--how was the Staplegorton Wm. G. identified as
> Catholic? Is it a Catholic Church parish now?
>
> >From info I have in PA, my John Clendinen (also Glendinning) had three
> of his children baptised by a Presbyterian (Covenanter) minister who was
> sent from Scotland to PA (Rev. Cuthbertson). To find out more about the
> Covenanters, I joined the rootsweb Presbyterian mailing list, since my
> Clendenins were Presbyterian until 1892. (One ancestor married into a
> German Catholic family and this line of Ohio Clendenins became
> Catholic.)
>
> I queried the Presbyterian mailing list to find out which parishes in
> Scotland would be of the "Covernanter" persuasion, hoping to find a
> parish in the Dumfries area. The answer I got back from a Presbyterian
> minister near Edinburgh, Scotland was that there were none that could be
> so indentified. People had their children baptised/recorded in the
> local parish whether they were Anglican or Presbyterian. Since all
> these parishes started out as Catholic (before the 1500s Reformation)
> could the Staplegorton parish have switched back and forth like the
> politics of the time and is presently Catholic again?
>
> Mary Louise
>
Dear Sharon,
My John Clendinen (c 1704 Scotland, died 1797 in Cumberland Co, PA) is
supposed to be a son of the Wm. Glendunning you are talking about.
I have two questions--how was the Staplegorton Wm. G. identified as
Catholic? Is it a Catholic Church parish now?
>From info I have in PA, my John Clendinen (also Glendinning) had three
of his children baptised by a Presbyterian (Covenanter) minister who was
sent from Scotland to PA (Rev. Cuthbertson). To find out more about the
Covenanters, I joined the rootsweb Presbyterian mailing list, since my
Clendenins were Presbyterian until 1892. (One ancestor married into a
German Catholic family and this line of Ohio Clendenins became
Catholic.)
I queried the Presbyterian mailing list to find out which parishes in
Scotland would be of the "Covernanter" persuasion, hoping to find a
parish in the Dumfries area. The answer I got back from a Presbyterian
minister near Edinburgh, Scotland was that there were none that could be
so indentified. People had their children baptised/recorded in the
local parish whether they were Anglican or Presbyterian. Since all
these parishes started out as Catholic (before the 1500s Reformation)
could the Staplegorton parish have switched back and forth like the
politics of the time and is presently Catholic again?
Mary Louise
Gosh, Sandy...I'd think your pet peeve would be getting junk emails that
don't contain any information relating to the website for which they were
intended (like this one). Why so HOSTILE?
Judy
Cyndy,
I assume that by G. T. Clindening you are referring to G. T. Clindening. If
so, where did you find this information?
The names and dates are correct as I have verified that with a photostatic
copy of the microfilmed entry(-ies).
There is additional information which you may not have due to your recent
involvement. The researcher I hired in Scotland was at a loss to find these
baptisms/christenings in the Scots records until he did a search for any
possible variant.
The names are listed in the Staplegorton Parish as "Glendunning". Which does
not surprise me as I found that spelling and many others in the Scots Parish
Records. ALSO important is the fact that these men were not listed in
chronological order with all of the other baptisms/christenings of the same
time period. They were listed out of order. He explained that prominent
families sometimes did this (after the fact) to establish their parentage
and lineage.
ALSO, extremely important is the fact that this branch of the Glendinning
family was CATHOLIC in origin.
Now I know that does not clarify or verify the birth dates but I think we
should consider that if William was born in 1668 instead of 1680 we are
MISSING a generation.
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: <CROBIN5008(a)aol.com>
To: <CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 29, 2000 10:04 AM
Subject: [CLENDINEN] Baptisms in UK including Scotland
> Group,
> After reading a web site by G. T. Clindening, I thought I would give you a
> little information on the Church of England that may explain the Baptism
age.
> I was raised in the Anglican Church which is Episcopalian in US. This is
the
> same as the Church of England. Baptisms were not done as a infant. It was
> called Christenings. Baptisms were done when the child was 12 years old
> instead.
>
In a message dated 1/29/00 11:19:08 AM Eastern Standard Time,
swarren2(a)prodigy.net writes:
> Search for all of the wordsany of the wordsthe exact phrase
> Try our new Advanced Search
> >> 949768 documents found - 0.0567 seconds search time
Of course you must spell it correctly, with spaces, and 900,000+ documents is
WAY too much for me.
It is becoming my #1 pet peeve, people who do not use spaces between words,
and then put 3 or 4 periods in the middle of each sentence, and at the end.
Sandy in Florida
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~clendin/williamcastle.htm
This is the place I found this interesting!
also check out the root directory too!
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~clendin/
It gives lots of info on Clendenin in a GEDCOM format too.
I did try the GEDCOM site too and downloaded the software to create my own
file in.
I am not sure how to use it yet.. Has anyone used it yet and can tell me more
about it?
I also have Family Tree maker and saved my file with the .GED extension
already but now what do I do?
Cyndy
I don't think Sharon is correct to say that there was a Catholic
Glendunnings. It was most likely Anglican. This church was a break off from
the Catholic church and therefore it did have similar traditions.
Cyndy
Everyone,
I returned home from Honolulu this evening. Had 380 unread messages waiting
for me. I am now down to 87 unread but a lot unanswered. I am only going to
be at home for one week and then I leave for more or less four weeks.
I will answer questions, etc. as much as I can before I have to pack up and
leave again.
Sharon
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