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GEORGE: Please read all of this message before responding.
Okay, George, that explains the title at the top of the page. If you
remember right I asked others who might have information on this line to
help you straighten it out.
There are certain types of records that are considered to be reasonably
reliable by people who do historical research. Those that are written at the
time the event occurred are considered most reliable, such as a handwritten
journal by the person involved in the event.
One step below that would be what is known as primary documents -- ie.,
deeds, marriage records, wills, estate settlements, etc.
Below that would be compilations of those primary documents.
Below that, way below that, would be county histories, etc.
For an example, in one of those documents you sent me, there was a statement
that Archibald Clendinen Jr. and "his parents" were all killed at the
massacre of Muddy Creek. We know from documents in Augusta Co., VA that
Archibald Sr. died in 1748/49. His widow, Esther Mayse Burnside,
administered his estate. Ergo, if the man died in 1748/49, the statement --
and "his parents" were all killed in 1763 -- is wrong. It makes a nice story
but apparently, it didn't happen.
Also included in the material was the statement that the child who was
killed by the Indians was named "James." I have never seen a name attached
to that child, only that "an infant child" was killed.
Also included was a statement that Archibald Sr. had a son named Charles and
that he was also killed at Muddy Creek. Again, nothing I've found indicates
that to be a fact.
>The first part, listed as author unknown, does give references from four
> historical or genealogy books at the end. The second part is " JOURNAL of
> THE GREENBRIER HISTORICAL SOCIETY vol. II, No. 2, Oct. 1970, THE CLENDENIN
> MASSACRE By Dr. Harry H. Handley". The third part is an excerpt
> from a book
> "HISTORY OF POCAHONTAS COUNTY by William Price, 1901 pages 154-159". And
> the fourth part is from "ANNALS OF AUGUSTA COUNTY pages 168-173".
>From your original message, also McSwain, DESCENDANTS OF DAVID MCSWAIN,
private printing, Macon, Ga., 1974. (Los Angeles Free Public Library).
Baird, Catchings and Torrey, CLENDENIN, MYER AND MILL FAMILIES, Atlanta,
Ga., 1923.
George, please understand. I am not trying to discourage you but this may be
one of those mysteries which are never solved. If you would like a
"reliable" account of the Massacre of Muddy Creek please see Draper's
Manuscripts. It was compiled at a time much closer to the actual event and
Draper spoke to people who were living in the area at the time.
There are kernels of truth in the documents your cousin sent you but a lot
of it is supposition without being labelled as supposition. Some of the rest
of it just makes a "good story."
I know that we have descendants of Archibald Jr. and Ann on the list with
us, and I am hoping they will step forward with information for you.
>From The Draper MS 12 CC 147, p. 55-58 "1761 Clendenin, =
> Archibald settled two miles west of Lewisburg, and Frederick Lee and =
> Felty Yocum settled on Muddy Creek. By the summer of 1763 more than 50
=
> persons were again residing in Greenbrier Valley. Lord Jeffrey Amherst
=
> wanted to exterminate the Indians with smallpox. Bouquet wanted to
hunt =
> them down with dogs...Summer of 1763 Cornstalk, with about 60 Indians
=
> invaded Greenbrier region at Clendenmins. . .killed or captured
everyone =
> except Conrad Yocum who escaped. . .Archibald Clendenin was reputed to
=
> be so scarified by past Indian fights he looked like "an old coon
dog."
My suggestion would be that you attempt to track down records which would
verify the statements made in the articles. You really should just use those
articles as a place to start your research and verify each fact that is
contained therein.
Good luck, George.
Sharon Bryant
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George McSwain [mailto:McSwain@compuserve.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 28, 1998 12:59 AM
> To: CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: RE: [CLENDINEN-L] Passenger list!
>
>
> You said:
> >16 pages of printed document which he said was the only thing he knew
> about Ann McSwain. There are several problems in this material which is
> apparently from a CD "CDatacopyClenden" is printed at the top of the first
> page.<
>
> Sharon, just for information, the file I sent you is actually four
> documents I received from a cousin in North Carolina.
>
> "C:\Data\Copy\Clenden.txt" is just the subdirectory of the file on my C:
> drive which I sent to you.
>
> The first part, listed as author unknown, does give references from four
> historical or genealogy books at the end. The second part is " JOURNAL of
> THE GREENBRIER HISTORICAL SOCIETY vol. II, No. 2, Oct. 1970, THE CLENDENIN
> MASSACRE By Dr. Harry H. Handley". The third part is an excerpt
> from a book
> "HISTORY OF POCAHONTAS COUNTY by William Price, 1901 pages 154-159". And
> the fourth part is from "ANNALS OF AUGUSTA COUNTY pages 168-173".
>
> George McSwain
> 1219 62nd St. NW
> Bradenton, FL 34209
> e-mail: mcswain(a)compuserve.com
>
>
> ==== CLENDINEN Mailing List ====
> Have you seen the Clendinen Family Research web page?
> http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~clendin
>
>
You said:
>16 pages of printed document which he said was the only thing he knew
about Ann McSwain. There are several problems in this material which is
apparently from a CD "CDatacopyClenden" is printed at the top of the first
page.<
Sharon, just for information, the file I sent you is actually four
documents I received from a cousin in North Carolina.
"C:\Data\Copy\Clenden.txt" is just the subdirectory of the file on my C:
drive which I sent to you.
The first part, listed as author unknown, does give references from four
historical or genealogy books at the end. The second part is " JOURNAL of
THE GREENBRIER HISTORICAL SOCIETY vol. II, No. 2, Oct. 1970, THE CLENDENIN
MASSACRE By Dr. Harry H. Handley". The third part is an excerpt from a book
"HISTORY OF POCAHONTAS COUNTY by William Price, 1901 pages 154-159". And
the fourth part is from "ANNALS OF AUGUSTA COUNTY pages 168-173".
George McSwain
1219 62nd St. NW
Bradenton, FL 34209
e-mail: mcswain(a)compuserve.com
Something someone may be interested in.
Typed verbatim from:
"Tennessee Cousins" Ray, Genealogical Publishing Co., Inc., Austin
Texas 1950. reprinted Baltimore 1960, 1966, 1968,
1971, 1977, 1980, 1984,
1989, 1994
Library of Congress Catalogue Card Number 68-24685
International Standard Book Number 0-8063-0289-5
Page 673
Some of the settlers who served in the "Commissioned Guard".
>From the records of Samuel Barton, the old ENTRY TAKER of the
Cumberland District, the historian is able to glean a lot of
information about
some of the first land owners in Davidson Co., (North Carolina, then)
Tennessee.
One rare bit of information is a list of names of a few members of the
"Commissioners Guard" -- those who enlisted in military
service for the
protection of the commissioners and surveyors, who were, of course,
constantly exposed to danger from the Indians, etc. The
following
persons patented lands by virtue of having so served.
William Edmundson, 320 acres on Arrington's Creek, May 5, 1784.
James Clendenen, 320 acres on Cumberland River, May 5, 1784.
James Gilkeson, 320 acres on Richland Creek. Sold to William Fork. June
30, 1784.
William Davidson, a Corporal, 480 acres on Red River, June 19, 1784.
Hugh Hogan, Sold to Daniel Carlin, Aug. 7, 1784. 320 acres on Bledsoe's
Creek.
Robert Gordon, 320 acres on Red River, October 29, 1784.
Benjamin Castleman, 320 acres on Cumberland River, assigned to Lardner
Clark, Warrant 1785.
Sampson Williams, 320 acres on Harpeth Waters adjoining Drake's
pre-emption, which the soldier had assigned to John Elliot,
June 24, 1785.
James Nolan (or Nowland), a Corporal in the guard, which he assigned in
1784 to Alexander Caveat (Cavitt). Warrant issued
to Cavitt July 24th,
1787.
The above were all members and served in the Commissioners' Guard, and
are all the names of that company that are in any
manner preserved,
so far as this compiler can discover. If there is a complete list of
these soldiers of the "Guard" extent, I have never been able to
located it.
Page 747
Brief Notes on Carroll County, Tennessee, Pioneer Families
Rev. Adam E. Cooper was born in Halifax County, North Carolina in 1805,
but lived with his parents for awhile in South Carolina. He married
Mary H. Clendenning, of York District, South Carolina, They had several
children and lived at McLemoresville in Carroll County.
Larry Robertson
Mokelumne Hill, CA
I decided to go back into Scots Origins to see if I had thought of all the
possible ways to spell the name. I had originally queries under Glend* with
the asterisk being a wild card.
I tried Glind* and got hits. So I became adventuresome and merciful heavens,
folks, they actually spelled it with a C instead of a G in Scotland.
I got hits under Clend* and Clind*
Just wanted to let you know.
In messages last week George McSwain asked for the source of information
posted regarding Margaret (Sargent?)McSwain. When I compared the complete
text from which the posting came, I have other information which may be
helpful.
...The mother of Ann McSwain (Clendenning), (Margaret Sargent? McSwain) md 2
James Ewing, son of James Ewing, born Ireland c 1720, d 1800 and had Susan,
md 1767 Moses moore; Elizabeth m 1774 George Doughery; William Ewing b 1756
m. Mary McNeill (12 children, 81 grandchildren); and a son, John Ewing b c
1747, m Ann Smith, living Gallia Co., OH 1804, d 1824, buried Glen Cemetery
near Vinton, OH (11 ch, 65 grandchildren).
John Ewing was carried away with Jane Clendenin by Cornstalk after the
massacre..."
LDS Family Group Sheet filed in 1957 by Eva L. Rodgers Christensen. Sources
cited: Compendium of American Genealogy, V. 5, p 31; The Kanawha Spectator,
pp 66, 67; Family History. Ruth Woods Dayton, Greenbrier Pioneers and the
Homes. Letters 1963 from Mrs. Cora Gaspen, Ellensburgh, Washington 98926.
At the time this exchange was going on, George sent me 16 pages of printed
document which he said was the only thing he knew about Ann McSwain. There
are several problems in this material which is apparently from a CD
"CDatacopyClenden" is printed at the top of the first page.
Please understand I am NOT criticizing George McSwain. He is using the only
thing he has to go on. Unfortunately, the sources cited in the document he
sent me (was this an FTM CD?)were tertiary at best.
I checked the index for Chalkley's 3 vol set on Augusta Co. and found NO
McSwain.
I checked it for Sargent and drew a blank.
Chalkley does give references to the death of Archibald (the elder) in
1748/49 which would indicate that he was long dead before his son was killed
in 1763. Also in this document is the assertion that Archibald's (the elder)
wife was also killed at the massacre of Muddy Creek. When Archibald died his
widow was Esther Mayze Burnsides. Also documented in Chalkley.
If anyone has any other information on this family (Honey, are you out
there?) would you please contact George and try to help him straighten this
out?
Thanks.
Sharon
> -----Original Message-----
> From: George McSwain [mailto:McSwain@compuserve.com]
>
> I can't remember if I sent you this file before or not. It is everything I
> know about Ann McSwain Clendenin. I am really trying to prove that
> Archibald Jr.'s wife Ann McSwain was a sister of my ancestor
> David McSwain,
> and thus who their parents were, where they were born, and where they came
> from. I am wondering where Arch Jr. met Ann. Did they come over
> on the same
> ship, appear on the same passenger list, live together in Pennsylvania,
> etc?
>
> That's why I wondered about the source for that statement on your
> web page.
>
>
> George McSwain
> 1219 62nd St. NW
> Bradenton, FL 34209
> e-mail: mcswain(a)compuserve.com
>
Hi everyone,
I found the following response to a query on the Houston web page. May help
some of you who have Houstons marrying Glendinnings/Clendinens.
Posted by Jim Houston on June 20, 1998 at 03:38:34:
In Reply to: ISABELLA HOUSTON / TENNESSEE posted by F. Robert Henderson on
May 24, 1998 at 01:40:58:
1.5a Isabella Houston*
Birth: 1722, Ireland
Death: 19 Oct 17813
(7) Isobella3 HOUSTON, (John2 HOUSTON, Samuel1) was born in 1722 at Ireland,
and in 1746 at Lancaster, Pennsylvania, married (23) John Geo. HENDERSON,
son of William HENDERSON
and Susan LOGAN, who was born about 1718 at Blount Co., Tn. Isobella died
after Oct 19, 1781. John Geo. died in 1769 at Augusta Co., Va.
Notes for Isobella HOUSTON:
>From the LDS Church Database and from the database of Toby M. Boring,
Florence S.C. tboring(a)clemson.edu.
Carmen Finley of Santa Rosa, CA finley(a)sonoma.edu gives the following
concerning Isabella Houston and John Henderson.
Isabella Houston. Born Abt 1734, PA?. Died Aft 19 Oct 1781. Married first,
1766/1768, August Co, VA, William Gillespy, Sr., born Abt 1734, Ulster, N.
Ireland, died Bef 25 Dec 1826, Blount Co,
TN, son of James Gillespy and Jennet. Married John Henderson, born Abt 1706.
Extended information given in Dorthy Day Gillespie, "Biref History of the
Family of William Gillespei, Sr. (1734-1826)", in Ther Heritage, 20th
Anniversary (Hot Spring County, AR: Hot Spring
Historical Society), vol. XV, 1988, p. 35-47. Isabella was the widow of John
Henderson (son of William 1699-1700). Henderson and Isabella had 3 children:
(1) William m. Susannah Gillespie,
daughter of John Gillespie who d. March 16, 1796 in Blount Co. TN; (2)
Jane/Jenny m. Matthew Russell, son of Andrew Russell; (3) Susannah/Susan m.
McCulloch. Matthew Russell bought land on
opposite side of Holston River from William Gillespie 27 May 1787 (Hawkins
Co., NC at that time). Andrew Russell of Augusta County, was on a visit to
his son, Matthew of Knox County, when he
died there. William Henderson and the Gillespies witnessed Russell's will.
Children:
24 + William4 HENDERSON b.c 1750
25 + Jane Jenny HENDERSON b.c 1755
26 + Susannah Susan HENDERSON b.c 1758
She also married about 1753 at Rockbridge, Virginia, (27) William GILLESPIE,
son of James GILLESPY and JENNET, who was born about 1734 at Ulster,
Northern Ireland. William died before
Dec 25, 1826 at Blount Co., Tn.
Notes for William GILLESPIE: Extended information given in Dorthy Day
Gillespie's "Brief History of the Family of William Gillespie, Sr.
(1734-1826)" in the Heritage.
Children:
28 + Robert4 GILLESPIE b.c 1755
Spouse: John George Henderson
Death: 1769, Augusta Co., VA3
Marr: 1746, Lancaster, PA3
Other spouses William Gillespie
1.5b Isabella Houston* (See above)
Spouse: William Gillespie
Other spouses John George Henderson
The following is found on page 47 of the above book:
pg 404. 29 Apr 1841. Inventory of the estate of James Clendenon, dec'd by
Wm. Clendenon, administrator. List of part of the estate remaining in the
hands of the widow Sarah Clendenen. [Continued on page 407]
pg 407. ...rest of the James Clendenon estate.
found on page 51 of the above book:
pg. 464. 7 Jul 1842. Settlement made with Wm. Clendenin, administrator of
James Clendenin, dec'd.
found on page 53 of the above book:
pg. 510. 7 Nov. 1842. Inventory of Griffin Clendennin, dec'd by James
Clendennin, adminstrator.
found on page 56 of the above book:
pg. 535. 27 Feb 1843. Settlement with James Clendenin, Jr. administrator of
James Clendenin, Sr., dec'd.
Hi cousins,
Here is the first installment from "Warren County, TN Will Book 1,
[1887-1858]" by Betty Moore Majors. This book was published by Mountain
Press, P.O. Box 400, Signal Mountain, TN 37377. It was published in 1992
According to Mrs. Majors, "The early will books of Warren County,
Tennessee were used to record guardianships, estate sales, inventories,
appointment of administrators or executors, and assignment of dower, as well
as will.
Found on pg. 42 of the above book:
pg. 365. 1 Aug 1837. Will of James Clendenen. I will unto my beloved wife
Sarah Clendenen all my estate, land, negroes, stock (etc) and all else that I
possess, and all my money except four dollars apiece to each of (my) children,
namely: to John William James Polly Elizabeth Samuel Davidson Griffith
Rebecca Jackson Matilda (sic). After the death of my wife all to be equally
divided between my above named children. Witnessed by James Clendenen, Jr.
and Griffith Clendenen. executors Sarah Clendenen and James Clendenen, Jr.
Found on page 145 of the above book:
pg. 215-216. (no date) Sale bill of the estate of James Clendenen, dec'd, by
J.M. Higgenbotham, administrator. Purchases made by James Clendenen, J.
Clendenin, Jackson Clenden__, and others. (my note: notice the different
spellings)
Hi cousins and fellow researchers,
I have just switched to a new computer and haven't had a chance to move
my saved mail folders to my new hard drive. Today, I received the above book
in the mail and immediately checked for Clendinens listed in it. There are
quite a few variations of Clendinen listed in various wills. I am not sure if
these wills have already been placed on the list. Would someone please let me
know if the group has already received these? If there is interest, I will be
happy to copy them for the group and send them to the list in stages. Paula
DeGraf
I am trying to catch up, is this the unknown first wife of Arch? see note from
George below.
Sandy in Fla
Descendants of Archibald Clendenin
1 Archibald Clendenin 1716 - 1749
. +Unknown
.... 2 Archibald Clendenin Abt. 1730 - 1763
........ +Ann McSwain 1738 -
.......... 3 John Clendenin - Abt. 1763
.......... 3 Jane Clendenin 1758 -
.............. +John Davis
.......... 3 Infant Clendenin Abt. 1760 - 1763
*2nd Wife of Archibald Clendenin:
. +Esther Mayse 1710-1721 - 1756
.... 2 John Clendenin 1744 - 1794-1795
........ +Mrs. Mary Clendenin maiden name unknown
.......... 3 Esther Clendenin
.............. +John McGee
.......... 3 John Clendenin 1780-1790 - 1833
.............. +Unknown
.......... *2nd Wife of John Clendenin:
.............. +Catherine Clark
.......... 3 James Clendenin 1775 - 1841
.............. +Sarah
.......... 3 Jane Clendenin
.............. +James Beard
.......... 3 Betsy Clendenin
.............. +Charles Clabaugh
.......... 3 Polly Clendenin
.......... 3 Nancy Clendenin
.... 2 Margaret Clendenin Abt. 1746 -
Sender: McSwain(a)compuserve.com (George McSwain)
To: CLENDINEN-L(a)rootsweb.com
Is there any indication on a passenger list of the immigrant Archibald
Clendenin who emigrated from Scotland to Pocahontas [sic] County, Virginia in
1729 with his pregnant wife Nancy (Ewing) Clendenin and his brother John?
They left Dumfies, Scotland and settled in the Greenbrier Valley where they
were frontiersmen and farmers.
The John to Augusta, Virginia in 1764 is interesting. Where did this citation
come from? Where did John go after arriving in Augusta, VA? I wonder if there
were any McSwain's on the ship with John.
Debbie:
I looked at the first letter from George Washington to George
Clendenin again this morning and think that I have filled in the blanks
a bit...but it is kind of fun to think about our Clendenins kind of
being in business with old George way back then...Marsha
George Clendenen Esquire
Philadelphia March 31 1791
Sir:
Since writing to you on the 21st of February by Moore,
(in which letter I gave you instructions respecting my
lands in your neighborhood) I have disposed of all very
lands on the Ohio and great Kanawa to de Barth
a French gentleman. I have therefore to request that
you will stop all measures, which you may have taken, or
may be about to take relative to the settling or otherwise
disposing of my lands agreeably to any instructions which
I may have given for that purpose. As I have engaged
to deliver them to de Barth free from all incumbrances
and should any steps have been taken in the .
I might beg you to withdraw them for as to leave the lands
entirely free . You will likewise be so good as to return
me the draughts of the land, which you received from
Colonel Lewis.
I would in the meantinme beg you to be assured,
that I have a proper of your affection (attention?)and goodwill
in the readings with which you have given me
your towards my arranging this property
and my best thanks are offered therefore.
With every great esteem and regard
Sir,
Your most obedient Servant
G.Washington
==== CLENDINEN Mailing List ====
In a message dated 9/17/98 4:11:45 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
McSwain(a)compuserve.com writes:
> Is there any indication on a passenger list of the immigrant Archibald
> Clendenin who emigrated from Scotland to Pocahontas County, Virginia in
> 1729 with his pregnant wife Nancy (Ewing) Clendenin and his brother John?
Pocahontas county did not exist until 1821, formed from Pendleton, Randolph
and Bath. Were they in Augusta?
The Immigrant book is by Coldwell, but I can't find it
I'm pedalling as fast as I can to get organized. Finished painting office
and am now trying to sort through papers. Have now downloaded Glendinning
parish info up to 1800. Will get on-line as soon as possible.
If there is anyone out there who has an Irish line or a Canadian line could
you please send me a text file.
Any Scots line that doesn't seem to fit into the information already posted
on the web site is also welcome. Of course, I would really like to hear that
you made a connection. :)
New things on the web site: I am making new "international" pages in an
attempt to help sort out the various families that are already posted or are
soon to be posted. There will also be a United States page. And a separate
page of links -- Jim Love, I was a little premature in sending you the
message. The page has not yet been uploaded.
A couple of days ago there were 106 members of the mailing list and digest.
You're a wonderful group of people and I'm proud and happy to call you all
"cousin."
Last but not least, Terrell Marshall sent a check saying "I just read your
latest post and it seems that you have enough funding for a while, but
please accept ... for other incidentals as you see fit..." Thank you
Terrell. Gratefully accepted and will be used to pay for the Scots Parish
downloads. Terrell went on to say that he was also sending money to
Rootsweb.
To all of you who have sent donations to Rootsweb -- Way to Go! Pat
yourselves on the back -- Rootsweb is, in my estimation, the best genealogy
service going.
I've also been working with the scanner and may be able to put some
graphics, ie., maps on the web site soon.
Take care and keep digging!
Sharon
Dear Debbie, I thank you so much for the tip on looking at the letters
form George Washington...I am a computer novice and was only able to
look at one letter tonight because of a lack of computer memory... I am
sure that I could have fixed the problem or whatever...but am happy to
just look at the next letter tomorrow...Here is what I think the first
letter says--and for once I would appreciate anyone's help/criticism etc
on my interpretation...
George Clendenen Squire
Philadelphia March 31 1791
Sir:
Since writing to you on the 21st of February by Moore,
(in which letter I gave you instructions respecting my
lands in your neighborhood) I have disposed (?) of all very
lands on the Ohio and great Kanawa to de Barth
a French gentleman. I have therefore to request that
you will stop all , which you may have taken, or
may be about to take relative to the (settling?) or otherwise.
of my lands agreeably to any instructions which I may have
given for that . As I have engaged
to deliver them to de Barth free from all incumbrances
and should any steps have been taken in the .
I might beg you to withdraw them for as to leave the lands
entirely free . You will likewise be so good as to return me
the draughts of the land, which you received from
Colonel Lewis.
in the beg you to be assured,
that I have a proper of your affection and goodwill
in the readings with which you have given me
your towards my arranging this property
and my best thanks are offered therefore.
With every great esteem and regard
Sir,
Your most obedient Servant
G.Washington
Is there any indication on a passenger list of the immigrant Archibald
Clendenin who emigrated from Scotland to Pocahontas County, Virginia in
1729 with his pregnant wife Nancy (Ewing) Clendenin and his brother John?
They left Dumfies, Scotland and settled in the Greenbrier Valley where they
were frontiersmen and farmers.
The John to Augusta, Virginia in 1764 is interesting. Where did this
citation come from? Where did John go after arriving in Augusta, VA? I
wonder if there were any McSwain's on the ship with John.
George McSwain
1219 62nd St. NW
Bradenton, FL 34209
e-mail: mcswain(a)compuserve.com
To George McSwain;
I will try and answer you questions, we know that there was a John Clendenin
in Augusta, Virginia from records from Chalkey's. We have never really figured
out who he is but he was in the REV. War. and recieved pay. So, we do know a
little about him.
As far as the McSwain's are concerned I have that they came over on the "H.M.S
Snow Lout" ship in 1730 coming from Isle of Skye, Scotland. Ann's brother,
William McSwain was born on that ship, I have their parents as David McSwain
and Margaret Sergeant. David born 1700 in Isle of Skye, Scotland and died 1770
in Cleveland County, NC. They also had David Jr. born 1725, Charles, born
1728.
This was sent to me from a gentleman named Ronald L. Fox, he doesn't have an
e-mail address and he didn't send any SOURCES, which really irks me to no end.
As Archibald Sr. there is in "The Complete Book of Emigrants 1607-1776,
Section VI Chapter 2, Emigrants in Bondage:
Archibald Glendenning was Sentenced to transportation in the Summer of 1728
from Northumberland of the Northern Circuit.
Could be the same Archibald, Sr. I don't know. I have not personally
researched either line.
Sharon, when I get to the library, I will get the author of the book on
Passengers. The title I gave last night is the complete and correct title.
There is another book that was there at one time, it had earlier dates on
immigration but the last time I was there, I couldn't find it, Someone had
taken it from the genealogy room, I guess.
I hope this answers some of your question, George.
Goodnite, Debby
I have seen this before, but it was printed in the Rootsweb Review this week
and I decided that I would forward it on. It is pretty long so if you've
seen it before just delete.
Most of my genealogy information would go to a fellow member on the
Clendinen list; but I've seen her genealogy room. There's no place to put
anything else and she can't find anything when she wants it. Her husband and
children would have no idea what a treasure trove she has there; and they
would be the first to throw it into the trashcan where it would be burned.
What about it, Nancy? I'll organize mine, if you'll organize yours!
>>NOW WHAT DO I DO WITH ALL OF THIS STUFF?
by Edward Henry Gaulin (Sr.) <EHGAULIN(a)worldnet.att.net>
A message on the Internet caught my eye the other day and I can't get it out
of my mind. A West Coast genealogist had been exchanging information with a
researcher in Virginia for some time. Then it happened. Her last message
bounced -- it couldn't be delivered as the address no longer existed.
Fortunately she had received a number of family group sheets from her
correspondent which listed a telephone number. When she called the number a
man answered, so she asked for her Internet friend and, after a slight
hesitation was told, "Oh, Mary Ann passed away three weeks ago." Shocked,
but ever gracious, she expressed her sympathy and commented how close this
long-distance relationship had become and how it will be missed by her. The
husband explained that he was sorry that he couldn't be of any
help because he really didn't know much about what his wife was doing with
her genealogy.
Perhaps you too have noticed at genealogical gatherings that the average age
of the participants is something in excess of 39 years, at least judging by
hair color. Most of us really don't have a lot of time to devote to our
hobby until after the kids are grown, out of school and we've retired. Then
it is no longer a hobby, it becomes an obsession. At some point in our
continuous search for dead people, our ancestors, we recognize our own
mortality and start to think about a permanent home for our research. If our
children or grandchildren appear to be interested, we have it made, but
frequently that's not the case. Then what happens to our "stuff"?
Genealogists are usually pretty smart people, until it comes to providing
for the distribution of their genealogical assets. The latter, in my case
anyway, is a room full of books, journals, magazines, pamphlets, maps,
photographs, brochures, newsletters, computer equipment and furniture (desk,
chairs, file cabinets,
tables, lamps, etc.). The files are loaded with folders bearing family and
town names, historic events, and a bunch labeled "MISC." There are miles of
computer printouts, hundreds of photocopies, and many "original" vital
records. My desk is usually loaded with correspondence awaiting an answer --
either mine or from someone else. What should my wife do with all this stuff
when I make the ultimate research trip -- a personal
meeting with my ancestors?
Some of our brighter colleagues say "My college library is getting all my
stuff" or it's going to the local public library or to the LDS Family
History Library in Salt Lake City or even to the Library of Congress. Well,
I hate to be the one to tell you this, but unless you are a celebrity or a
huge financial donor, these institutions probably won't want your
material -- they just don't have room for it. They would be grateful for a
copy of your book, but they might not want the manuscript or research notes.
The FHL would appreciate a GEDCOM disk of your genealogy database files, but
it doesn't want your paper pedigree charts or family
group sheets.
So what are your spouse and children to do with all of your stuff? They
could really do a couple of dumb things with it if you don't provide
guidance to them while you still can. It could be placed in the weekly trash
collection and don't say "They wouldn't do that" because it unfortunately
happens all the time. How about a garage sale? Now that is really scary, but
it also
happens every day. Remember all those old photos and tintypes you have seen
in flea markets? How about all those bargain genealogy books you bought
because you got to that garage sale before the dealers did? They all had to
come from someplace.
What should you do to insure the sane distribution of your genealogical
assets? Perhaps the first thing is to make a record of what you have and
then try to keep it current. Show the acquisition date and how much you paid
for each item on the inventory sheets. This is especially helpful for
artifacts, collections, and books. A photographic record of these items,
including those of rare books, could also be useful. Microfilm,
microfiche and complete photocopies of books and some records have value.
Back issues of many journals, newsletters, and magazines are also in demand
by genealogists and therefore have value. However, if you don't tell them
what is valuable, your heirs probably won't know.
Now that you have identified your assets, you need to tell someone what you
want done with them. Maybe the simplest way is to prepare a letter to your
heirs, but remember this lacks the force of law. If they want to, they can
toss everything in the trash. A better way to provide for the distribution
is in your will, particularly if you also designate sufficient funds to
carry out your wishes. Your Last Will and Testament is also where you may
make specific bequests: your copy of the 1898 edition of Burke's Peerage to
your FGS Conference roommate or your old roll-top desk to your newest
granddaughter. Your wishes can now be enforced by the courts, if necessary.
If you still want to have any of your assets given to your alma mater or a
local library or anywhere else, personally contact that agency and discuss
the possibility -- right now. It won't come as a surprise to them and they
should be able to advise you immediately of any conditions of acceptance. If
you can support
those conditions, ask for a written acknowledgment that can be placed with
your will.
Some other things that you can do right now are to distribute copies of your
research among your family, friends, and, perhaps, local or national
libraries. This is simple if you have progressed to the book-writing stage,
but don't be too concerned if you haven't. Many genealogists assemble their
pedigree charts, group sheets, pertinent vital records, selected family
photographs, and other important documents in notebook form. They write a
brief introduction, provide a table of contents, and sometimes an index
before having copies made for distribution. Afterwards, the notebook can be
kept current with a new year's letter which might include new charts and
photos. Computerized genealogical data can be distributed in the same way on
diskette. Sometimes an envelope or jacket is provided in the notebook
described above to house data disks. Another way some researchers try to
insure the safeguarding of their electronic data is to submit it to the LDS
Ancestral File (tm) or one or more of the other commercial collections. If
you don't know how to do this, consult your local genealogical society or
Family
History Center or even the public library for instructions.
Another thing you can do right now to benefit your heirs is to clean up your
files. Eliminate unnecessary correspondence and duplicate copies of records.
Toss out all those old printouts you made in 1984 on your Apple IIe
computer. Sell all the "Genealogical Helper" magazines you have saved since
1973, because you will never open one of them again and you know it. If you
get 50 cents each for them you can have a pretty good dinner.
Give away all that old computer software that is taking up room on your
bookshelves -- it's probably not worth anything anyway. Label your
photographs, and diskettes too.
I find it a bit morbid, but you may wish to write your epitaph and select
your tombstone now to insure future researchers will not encounter some of
the same problems that you've had.
If you decide to follow some of these suggestions, when you do eventually
meet your ancestors they may thank you for perpetuating their memory. They
may also show you where you made some of your mistakes and be able to fill
in a few of the blank spaces in your previous research.
Remember, do it now; there may be no tomorrow.<<
Sorry this has been so long but it was such excellent advice I just had to
pass it along. I'm 55 and while I expect to live another 45 years or so
(based on previous female members of my family) I'm not sure I have time for
everything -- where to start? hmmmmmm
Hi everyone, Sorry about my last message, I can't get used to spelling
Clendinen with the "i" first and I bounced it. Won't happen again. LOL
Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, First Edition, Vol. 1, A-G, page 339.
Clendenen, John n.a.; Philadelphia, PA 1848, [9292, page 133]
Clendening, Charles n.a.; Philadelphia, PA, 1852 [9292, page 133]
Clendening, James n.a., Philadelphia, PA, 1845 [9292, page 133]
Clendening, John n.a., Philadelphia, PA., 1856 [9292, page 133]
Clendennin, John n.a., Augusta, VA 1764, [3816, page 48]
Clendennin, John n.a., Augusta, VA 1766 [3816, page 48
Clendenning, H. n.a., Philadelphia, PA 1880 [9292, page 133]
Clendenning, Humphrey n.a., Philadelphia, PA 1880, [9292, page 133]
Clendenning, James n.a., Philadelphia, PA 1860 [9292, page 133]
Clendenning, John age 24, Savannah, GA, 1820 [9258, page 26]
Clendenning, Richard P., n.a., Philadelphia, PA 1853 [9292, page 133
Clendin, WS, n.a., San Francisco, CA 1852 [7156, page 78]
Clendining, James age 18, Philadelphia, PA 1803-1806, [102, page 111]
Clendening, James age 18, Philadelphia, PA 1803-1806, [1762, page 22]
Clendining, Richard P. n.a., Philadelphia, PA 1853 [9292, page 133]
Clendon, Charles, n.a., America 1754 [1222, page 52]
There is a John Clennending age 21, Charles Town, S.C 1767-1768.
I should have checked Clandenan, I have seen George, son of Charles spelled
like this many times and Glendenning. When I go to the library, I will checked
these spellings. The John to Augusta, Virginia in 1764 is interesting.
Debby