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Virginia,
I am going to do something I never do.
I AM GOING TO YELL. NOT AT YOU BUT AT THESE IDIOTS WHO DO NOT STOP AND THINK
BEFORE THEY POST CRAP ON THE INTERNET.
I checked some of the submitters and at least one of the names threw me for
a loop because he was and may still be a member of the mailing list.
Nellie Clendenin Stephenson was dead before the 1830 census. She did not
give birth to anyone in 1841, including a Jane Wilson .
If you are on this list and are a guilty party take your Gedcom off of
WorldConnect.
It is well documented that she gave birth to Andrew Hamilton Jr. per his
father's will which stipulates Jr.'s mother was Nellie Clendenin Stephenson.
In another instance, she is credited with a daughter named Eleanor Jemima
Cantrell. Ellen or Eleanor Jemima Cantrell was Nellie Stephenson's
granddaughter, not her daughter. Ellen/Eleanor's parents were John Cantrell
and his wife, Mary "Polly" Clendenin, d/o of George and Jemima Clendenin and
named for her grandmothers.
Do not believe everything you read in Meigs' book. No marriage has ever been
found between Nellie Clendenin Stephenson and a Hamilton, Cantrell, or
Wilson.
Where does this crap come from?
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Virginia Rahal" <v-rahal(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: "'Sharon Bryant'" <SharonBryant(a)cox.net>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:04 PM
Subject: RE: [CLENDINEN] Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>I found several references to John Wilson and his daughter Jane Wilson at
> World Connect under Mary Eleanor (Ellen) Clendenin. In some instances Jane
> Wilson's birth date is given as 1841 which have made Nelly about ninety at
> her birth.
> http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=davidgilfilen&id=I
> 11229
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sharon Bryant [mailto:SharonBryant@cox.net]
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 5:11 PM
> To: Virginia Rahal
> Subject: Re: [CLENDINEN] Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>
> Whoa.... what other trees to be found where? That doesn't make any sense
> whatsoever.
>
> That marriage date for George Stephenson and Nellie is a definite. I have
> a
> copy of the marriage record from Greenbrier Co.
>
> I do not have a date of birth for Andrew Hamilton.
>
> George died bef Feb 1831 in Mason Co. The 1830 census for Mason Co. shows
> Benjamin tephenson (30-40), Clendinen Stephenson (20-30), George
> Stephenson
>
> (30-40), James Stephenson (30-40), Susanna Stephenson (Robert's
> widow)(30-40) next door to Clendinen, and William Stephenson (40-50). That
> accounts for all children with the exception of Charles Stephenson, my
> ancestor who is apparently dead between 1827 and 1829 in Clark Co., KY and
> Mary Stephenson Peck, w/o Jacob Peck.
>
> For kicks and giggles I checked the 1830 census for a John Wilson in Mason
> Co. and came up with zip as I had expected to.
>
> George's inventory order did not indicate that Nellie was still alive.
>
> I would really like to see the trees that gave this Jane Wilson as
> Nellie's
> daughter. Can you give me the URLs?
>
> Sharon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Virginia Rahal" <v-rahal(a)cfl.rr.com>
> To: "'Sharon Bryant'" <SharonBryant(a)cox.net>
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 4:31 PM
> Subject: RE: [CLENDINEN] Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>
>
>> Sharon,
>>
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Incredibly enough, I found the mention in other trees (no hard
>> evidence) of John Wilson as being the father of Jane Wilson born in 1804
>> with Nelly Clendenin Stephenson given as the mother. Nelly would have
>> been
>> about 53 at the time and her husband George Stephenson was presumably
>> still
>> living.
>> Let me see if I have these presumed births right: 1. Andrew
>> Hamilton- 1776 when Nelly was about 25, 2. John Cantrell-1780 when Nelly
>> was
>> 29,
>> 3. George Stephenson-married about 1782 when Nelly was about 31, several
>> children with Stevenson, and 4. Jane Wilson-1804 when Nelly was about 53.
>>
>> I don't mean to imply that this is correct especially about Wilson,
>> but I'd like find out.
>>
>> Virginia
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Sharon Bryant [mailto:SharonBryant@cox.net]
>> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 3:49 PM
>> To: Virginia Rahal
>> Subject: Fw: [CLENDINEN] Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Sharon Bryant" <SharonBryant(a)cox.net>
>> To: <clendinen(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 10:21 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CLENDINEN] Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>>
>>
>>> Virginia,
>>>
>>> You better believe we have discussed Nellie in the past. I am a
>>> Stephenson-Clendenin descendant. (Please it is spelled with a "ph" vs
>>> "v".
>>> The Scots used the ph while the English used the v. I've got so much
>>> Scots
>>> in me you can almost hear the bagpipes. :>) )
>>>
>>> Nellie and George were married 20 Dec 1782 so there is a possiblity that
>>> the
>>> second baseborn child was my ancestor, Charles Stephenson.
>>>
>>> John Cantrell is supposed to have been born 17 Sep 1780 so he would be
>>> the
>>> first one listed below.
>>>
>>> As far as Andrew Hamilton is concerned - I don't know who raised him.
>>> But
>>> he
>>> was old enough when his father died to request a specific individual as
>>> a
>>> guardian.
>>>
>>> I found this in one of my files:
>>>
>>> Stinson, Helen. Early Court Records of Greenbrier Co.
>>>
>>> p. 1: 22 Nov 1780. Grand jury made the following presentments: Elinor
>>> Clendenning for having a base born child.
>>>
>>> p. 8: 22 May 1782. Elinor Clendenen indicted for having a bastard
>>> child --
>>> to pay court wardens of Botetourt Parish 50 shillings or 500 lbs.
>>> tobacco
>>> and cash for use of the poor in that Parish.
>>>
>>> Letter from Marilyn Schuelzky, 25 Aug 1983:
>>>
>>> "Will of Andrew Hamilton (Will Book I, p 117, Greenbrier Co., WV) reads
>>> as
>>> follows (in part): 'I give and bequeath to my son Andrew Hamilton, got
>>> on
>>> the body of Nelly Clendinnen, now the wife of George Stephenson, my
>>> Negro
>>> man by the name of Manwell and My Negro woman, his wife, by the name of
>>> Freany, and her child, name Charles, and also my Negro boy by the name
>>> of
>>> George and the plantation whereon he now lives, to him, the said Andrew
>>> Hamilton, and his heirs forever; and my will is that the said Negros
>>> shall
>>> live and keep full possession of the land they now live on until my son
>>> Andrew Hamilton comes to lawful age....' Will made 14 Mar 1796,
>>> prob(ated)
>>> June court, 1796."
>>>
>>> "June 1796. Greenbrier Court Records. Andrew Hamilton, orphan of Andrew
>>> Hamilton, deceased, chose Samuel Brown, guardian and James Reid,
>>> security.
>>> [Note: These were Greenbrier people -- Reid was co-executor of Andrew,
>>> Sr.'s
>>> will with Andrew's nephew, Moses Mann.]
>>>
>>> Chalkley, Vol. II, p. 25, Apr 1799. Gamble & Grattan [merchants in Bath
>>> Co.,
>>> VA., and Staunton, Augusta Co.) vs Andrew Hamilton's estate. From Bath.
>>> Account for necessaries furnished Andrew, son of Col. Andrew Hamilton,
>>> running from 1795.
>>>
>>> "In 1800 Andrew Jr married Sarah C. Selden in Botetourt Co., VA, and, in
>>> 1806 Mrs. E Selden sold land to Andrew Hamilton 'who married my
>>> daughter,
>>> Sally.' From a genealogy of the Seldens, 'Sarah married Andrew Hamilton
>>> at
>>> the home of her sister, Mrs. James (Ann) Breckenridge of Grave Hill,
>>> Botetourt Co., ' A letter from Cary Selden, father of Sarah, said that
>>> 'Sarah married Andrew Hamilton, a very amiable young man.'
>>>
>>> page 2, 25 Aug 1983:
>>>
>>> In 1805, in Greenbrier Co., Andrew Hamilton, Jr. , sold 350 acres of the
>>> 400
>>> acres left to him by will of his father, Andrew Hamilton the Elder, on
>>> contract to Charles McClung and gave him a final deed in 1815. Sarah did
>>> not
>>> chose to journey to Greenbrier Co., to sign this, so some Botetourt men
>>> were
>>> dispatched to her home to obtain her signature. This land was on the Big
>>> Levels, around Lewisburg, evidently the same 400 acres granted to Andrew
>>> Sr., in 1795, Dyer's Index to Land Grants, Greenbrier Co., Book 3, page
>>> 410.
>>>
>>> I have never heard of an involvement between Nellie and a "Mr. Wilson."
>>>
>>> How/why did you become interested in Nellie's escapades?
>>>
>>> Sharon
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Virginia Rahal" <v-rahal(a)cfl.rr.com>
>>> To: <Clendinen-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:40 AM
>>> Subject: [CLENDINEN] Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>>>
>>>
>>>> Mary Ellen AKA Eleanor or Nelly Clendenin, a daughter of the
>>>> immigrant Charles, seems to have been involved with some other men
>>>> before
>>>> her marriage to George Stevenson. It seems she had sons, Andrew
>>>> Hamilton
>>>> and
>>>> John Cantrell, before she married and there seems to be a Mr. Wilson
>>>> mentioned as one of her lovers. It appears Cantrell was raised by her
>>>> and
>>>> her family as per later documents, but Hamilton was not. In fact,
>>>> Cantrell
>>>> married the daughter of George Clendenin. Mary Ellen's brother. I
>>>> don't
>>>> know how she fared with Wilson.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The only evidence I can find in the records about any of
>>>> this
>>>> is
>>>> a mention in Chalkey's about Hamilton. I know this topic has been
>>>> visited
>>>> on
>>>> the list in the past. Can someone tell me where I can find the
>>>> evidence?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Virginia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -------------------------------
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>>>> CLENDINEN-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
>>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
Is there a sibling, James Clendenin? I have him as a son of Charles
Clendenin.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Virginia Rahal" <v-rahal(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: <clendenin(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 3:13 PM
Subject: Re: [CLENDENIN] FW: Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
> Sharon,
>
> I didn't get your first message and I sent the second message to the
> list by mistake. The reason I'm interested in Nelly Clendenin is that she
> is
> my fourth great grandfather's (Alexander) sister and seemed to live near
> him
> and brothers, William and George, all her life. I'm sure she impacted
> their
> lives. I would appreciate any information.
>
> Virginia
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clendenin-bounces(a)rootsweb.com
> [mailto:clendenin-bounces@rootsweb.com]
> On Behalf Of Sharon Bryant
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:49 AM
> To: clendenin(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLENDENIN] FW: Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>
> Virginia,
>
> I read your original message and responded given you information. My
> question to you was how/why you became interested in Nellie's escapades.
>
> This is the second message from you since that time which has NOT
> contained
> an answer to my question.
>
> Sharon
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Virginia Rahal" <v-rahal(a)cfl.rr.com>
> To: <Clendenin(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:13 AM
> Subject: [CLENDENIN] FW: Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: Virginia Rahal [mailto:v-rahal@cfl.rr.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:34 PM
>> To: 'Clendinen-L(a)rootsweb.com'
>> Subject: FW: Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _____
>>
>> From: Virginia Rahal [mailto:v-rahal@cfl.rr.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:41 AM
>> To: 'Clendinen-L(a)rootsweb.com'
>> Subject: Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>>
>>
>>
>> Mary Ellen AKA Eleanor or Nelly Clendenin, a daughter of the
>> immigrant Charles, seems to have been involved with some other men before
>> her marriage to George Stevenson. It seems she had sons, Andrew Hamilton
>> and
>> John Cantrell, before she married and there seems to be a Mr. Wilson
>> mentioned as one of her lovers. It appears Cantrell was raised by her and
>> her family as per later documents, but Hamilton was not. In fact,
>> Cantrell
>> married the daughter of George Clendenin. Mary Ellen's brother. I don't
>> know how she fared with Wilson.
>>
>>
>>
>> The only evidence I can find in the records about any of this
>> is
>> a mention in Chalkey's about Hamilton. I know this topic has been visited
>> on
>> the list in the past. Can someone tell me where I can find the evidence?
>>
>>
>>
>> Virginia
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -------------------------------
>> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
>> CLENDENIN-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
>> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>>
>
>
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>
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>
Mobie,
I found Charles & Lavina in Monroe Co., IN as late as the 1870 Federal
Census. They did not appear in the 1880 census.
The following are names of publications available for sale by the Monroe Co.
Historical Society.
County Cemeteries of Monroe: Death Index c.1830-1998
Hill Monument Inscriptions 1851 to 1971
Pioneer Cemeteries in Bloomington Township, Monroe County. 1990. 26p. 132
early settlers born between 1767 - 1900, died between 1815 - 1947 and buried
in 27 different small cemeteries
Rose Hill Cemetery 1821-1976
Have you asked for someone to do a lookup for you? Either on the Monroe Co.,
IN mailing list or the Monroe Co., IN message board?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mobie McCammon" <m.mccammon(a)comcast.net>
To: <Clendenin(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:05 AM
Subject: [CLENDENIN] Charles Americas Clendenin
> Seeking the death date and burial place for CHARLES AMERICAS CLENDENIN (b.
> 7
> Aug 1811, Orange Co., NC) and
>
> wife LAVINA ALLEN (b. 1810, Lincoln Co., NC). Charles was the son of
> Fisher
> Clendenin. The last known residence
>
> for this couple was Monroe Co., IN.
>
>
>
> Hoping someone can help me and I will gladly share info.
> Thanks............Mobie McCammon
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
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> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>
Sharon,
I didn't get your first message and I sent the second message to the
list by mistake. The reason I'm interested in Nelly Clendenin is that she is
my fourth great grandfather's (Alexander) sister and seemed to live near him
and brothers, William and George, all her life. I'm sure she impacted their
lives. I would appreciate any information.
Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: clendenin-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clendenin-bounces@rootsweb.com]
On Behalf Of Sharon Bryant
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 10:49 AM
To: clendenin(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLENDENIN] FW: Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
Virginia,
I read your original message and responded given you information. My
question to you was how/why you became interested in Nellie's escapades.
This is the second message from you since that time which has NOT contained
an answer to my question.
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Virginia Rahal" <v-rahal(a)cfl.rr.com>
To: <Clendenin(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 9:13 AM
Subject: [CLENDENIN] FW: Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Virginia Rahal [mailto:v-rahal@cfl.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:34 PM
> To: 'Clendinen-L(a)rootsweb.com'
> Subject: FW: Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Virginia Rahal [mailto:v-rahal@cfl.rr.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:41 AM
> To: 'Clendinen-L(a)rootsweb.com'
> Subject: Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
>
>
>
> Mary Ellen AKA Eleanor or Nelly Clendenin, a daughter of the
> immigrant Charles, seems to have been involved with some other men before
> her marriage to George Stevenson. It seems she had sons, Andrew Hamilton
> and
> John Cantrell, before she married and there seems to be a Mr. Wilson
> mentioned as one of her lovers. It appears Cantrell was raised by her and
> her family as per later documents, but Hamilton was not. In fact, Cantrell
> married the daughter of George Clendenin. Mary Ellen's brother. I don't
> know how she fared with Wilson.
>
>
>
> The only evidence I can find in the records about any of this
> is
> a mention in Chalkey's about Hamilton. I know this topic has been visited
> on
> the list in the past. Can someone tell me where I can find the evidence?
>
>
>
> Virginia
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
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> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>
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_____
From: Virginia Rahal [mailto:v-rahal@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 5:34 PM
To: 'Clendinen-L(a)rootsweb.com'
Subject: FW: Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
_____
From: Virginia Rahal [mailto:v-rahal@cfl.rr.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2008 9:41 AM
To: 'Clendinen-L(a)rootsweb.com'
Subject: Mary Ellen, Eleanor, Nelly Clendenin
Mary Ellen AKA Eleanor or Nelly Clendenin, a daughter of the
immigrant Charles, seems to have been involved with some other men before
her marriage to George Stevenson. It seems she had sons, Andrew Hamilton and
John Cantrell, before she married and there seems to be a Mr. Wilson
mentioned as one of her lovers. It appears Cantrell was raised by her and
her family as per later documents, but Hamilton was not. In fact, Cantrell
married the daughter of George Clendenin. Mary Ellen's brother. I don't
know how she fared with Wilson.
The only evidence I can find in the records about any of this is
a mention in Chalkey's about Hamilton. I know this topic has been visited on
the list in the past. Can someone tell me where I can find the evidence?
Virginia
Seeking the death date and burial place for CHARLES AMERICAS CLENDENIN (b. 7
Aug 1811, Orange Co., NC) and
wife LAVINA ALLEN (b. 1810, Lincoln Co., NC). Charles was the son of Fisher
Clendenin. The last known residence
for this couple was Monroe Co., IN.
Hoping someone can help me and I will gladly share info.
Thanks............Mobie McCammon