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Welcome to the first newsletter of The Gathering 2009, this
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If there is on the list a descendant of William Karl Clendenin, born 18 Dec
1891 in Iredell County, NC, who moved to Brewster, WA, please contact me. I
would like to exchange information.
William F. Clendenin
My name is Dave Hudelson, and I posted on this site several months ago concerning my 3d great grandmother, Rebecca Taggart. I now have found a different connection to the Clendenin's in Randolph County, IL.
Eliza J. MOORE, the sister of my great grandfather Francis E. MOORE, is shown in the Illinois State Marriage Index, 1763-1900 (Vol B, page 197) as marrying John S. CLENDENIN on 19 Oct 1865 in Randolph County, apparently at Sparta. Despite Rootsweb records showing this marriage, Eliza J. MOORE was born 5 Dec 1840 enroute from County Monagham, Ireland to Chester, Randolph County, IL. Eliza bore to John CLENDENIN two children, who appear in the 1970 Census as James W. CLENDENIN, age 3 and Anna J. CLENDENIN, age 2. Anna, who on 19 Sep 1888 married Albert C. CLORE in Randolph County (Ibid, Vol D, Page 152) can be traced in censuses thru at least 1910.
Mrs. Eliza T. CLENDENIN married John BEATTY (Ibid) or BEATTIE (Census records for 1880 and 1900) on 27 May 1875. I don't know what happened to John S. CLENDENIN --- when and where did he die? Or was there a divorce?
Nor can I find a record of the son, James W., except that in the 1880 census, John BEATTIE and his wife Eliza J had living with them two step-children for John, namely "William," age 13 and Anna J, age 11. In the 1900 census, Eliza is said to be the mother of two children, both still living, but they are not named; and they were not living in the BEATTIE household.
Do any CLENDENINs know who this John CLENDENIN was, and what happened to him and his son?
Dave Hudelson
Who knows what is possible with this clan.
In the guest register from my gfather's funeral (he died before I was
born) there were no less than 9 variations of the spelling of
"Clendening". And these folks were closely related and, I assume, knew
each other well.
Grady
Sharon Bryant wrote:
> [My note:] I may be the only one who is interested in this particular subject, but I have a legitimate reason - I have Alexander Fraser and his wife, Catherine Glenduning (vs) in my family tree. Alexander and Catherine were married 23 Aug 1683 in Edinburgh parish.
>
> "16LA. GEORGE GLENDINING IN EDINBURGH, youngest son of [14L] William, merchant in Greyfriar's parish, married there in 1649, Euphame Nisbet;...
> His testament was confirmed in Edinburgh 29 December 1682 his widow Euphame being sole executrix. Their issue:- ...
> i. John, merchant burgess in Greyfriars parish. member of the Edinburgh Merchant Company. He was, with his wife, Martha Weir, ...
> ii. Susanna, a resident at Blackmark in 1684, but deceased before 5 January 1687 when her brother was served her heir...."
>
> When, a few years ago, I decided to search GRO parish records I found the following baptisms/christenings recorded:
>
> 24 Jun 1652 Susanna Glenduning, d/o George and Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
>
> 25 Jul 1654 Williame Glendunning, s/o George and Euphame Nisbet, Edinburgh. [LDSMF# 1066663, Old parochial registers for Edinburgh, 1595-1860. Church of Scotland, Edinburgh]
>
> 28 Oct 1656 Johne Glendunning, s/o George and Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
>
> 24 Oct 1658 Jeane Glendunning, d/o George and Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
>
> 8 Nov 1659 Catherine Glendunning, d/o George and Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
>
> 11 Aug 1661 Eupham Glendunning, d/o George and Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
>
> 3 Feb 1663 George Glenduning, s/o George & Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
>
> I would be willing to accept Catherine, born in 1659, daughter of George and Euphame as Alexander Fraser's bride EXCEPT that in the same parish we find John and Agnes Muir having children baptized/christened:
>
> 4 Jun 1654 Johne Glendunning, s/o Johne & Agnes Moore, Edinburgh.
>
> 21 Oct 1655 James Glendunning, s/o Johne & Agnes Moore, Edinburgh [LDSMF# 1066663, Old parochial registers for Edinburgh, 1595-1860, Church of Scotland, Edinburgh]
>
> 28 Sep 1656 Helene Glendunning, d/o Johne & Agnes Moore
>
> 20 Dec 1657 Williame Glendunning, s/o Johne & Agnes Moore, Edinburgh.
>
> 18 Sep 1659 George Glendunning, s/o Johne & Agnes Moore, Edinburgh.
>
> 28 Apr 1661 John Glenduning, s/o John & Agnes Muir, Edinburgh
>
> 29 Feb 1663 Helene Glenduning, d/o John & Agnes Moore, Edinburgh
>
> 26 May 1665 Catherine Glenduning, d/o John & Agnes Muir, Edinburgh
>
> 17 Aug 1666 Catherine Glenduning, d/o John & Agnes Muir
>
> Okay, now we have two daughters listed for John & Agnes, both named Catherine. I believe the eldest died and the next girl was given the same name. I can live with this.
>
> I can't afford, at the current rate of exchange, to request marriage/baptismal/christening records willy-nilly.
>
> What are the chances that the marriage record of Alexander Fraser and Catherine Glenduning would have recorded the parents' names??????
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLENDINEN-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>
>
>
--
Grady Clendening
gac(a)austin.rr.com
Who knows what is possible with this clan.
In the guest register from my gfather's funeral (he died before I was
born) there were no less than 9 variations of the spelling of
"Clendening". And these folks were closely related and, I assume, knew
each other well.
Grady
Sharon Bryant wrote:
> [My note:] I may be the only one who is interested in this particular subject, but I have a legitimate reason - I have Alexander Fraser and his wife, Catherine Glenduning (vs) in my family tree. Alexander and Catherine were married 23 Aug 1683 in Edinburgh parish.
>
> "16LA. GEORGE GLENDINING IN EDINBURGH, youngest son of [14L] William, merchant in Greyfriar's parish, married there in 1649, Euphame Nisbet;...
> His testament was confirmed in Edinburgh 29 December 1682 his widow Euphame being sole executrix. Their issue:- ...
> i. John, merchant burgess in Greyfriars parish. member of the Edinburgh Merchant Company. He was, with his wife, Martha Weir, ...
> ii. Susanna, a resident at Blackmark in 1684, but deceased before 5 January 1687 when her brother was served her heir...."
>
> When, a few years ago, I decided to search GRO parish records I found the following baptisms/christenings recorded:
>
> 24 Jun 1652 Susanna Glenduning, d/o George and Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
>
> 25 Jul 1654 Williame Glendunning, s/o George and Euphame Nisbet, Edinburgh. [LDSMF# 1066663, Old parochial registers for Edinburgh, 1595-1860. Church of Scotland, Edinburgh]
>
> 28 Oct 1656 Johne Glendunning, s/o George and Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
>
> 24 Oct 1658 Jeane Glendunning, d/o George and Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
>
> 8 Nov 1659 Catherine Glendunning, d/o George and Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
>
> 11 Aug 1661 Eupham Glendunning, d/o George and Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
>
> 3 Feb 1663 George Glenduning, s/o George & Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
>
> I would be willing to accept Catherine, born in 1659, daughter of George and Euphame as Alexander Fraser's bride EXCEPT that in the same parish we find John and Agnes Muir having children baptized/christened:
>
> 4 Jun 1654 Johne Glendunning, s/o Johne & Agnes Moore, Edinburgh.
>
> 21 Oct 1655 James Glendunning, s/o Johne & Agnes Moore, Edinburgh [LDSMF# 1066663, Old parochial registers for Edinburgh, 1595-1860, Church of Scotland, Edinburgh]
>
> 28 Sep 1656 Helene Glendunning, d/o Johne & Agnes Moore
>
> 20 Dec 1657 Williame Glendunning, s/o Johne & Agnes Moore, Edinburgh.
>
> 18 Sep 1659 George Glendunning, s/o Johne & Agnes Moore, Edinburgh.
>
> 28 Apr 1661 John Glenduning, s/o John & Agnes Muir, Edinburgh
>
> 29 Feb 1663 Helene Glenduning, d/o John & Agnes Moore, Edinburgh
>
> 26 May 1665 Catherine Glenduning, d/o John & Agnes Muir, Edinburgh
>
> 17 Aug 1666 Catherine Glenduning, d/o John & Agnes Muir
>
> Okay, now we have two daughters listed for John & Agnes, both named Catherine. I believe the eldest died and the next girl was given the same name. I can live with this.
>
> I can't afford, at the current rate of exchange, to request marriage/baptismal/christening records willy-nilly.
>
> What are the chances that the marriage record of Alexander Fraser and Catherine Glenduning would have recorded the parents' names??????
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLENDINEN-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>
>
>
--
Grady Clendening
gac(a)austin.rr.com
[My note:] I may be the only one who is interested in this particular subject, but I have a legitimate reason - I have Alexander Fraser and his wife, Catherine Glenduning (vs) in my family tree. Alexander and Catherine were married 23 Aug 1683 in Edinburgh parish.
"16LA. GEORGE GLENDINING IN EDINBURGH, youngest son of [14L] William, merchant in Greyfriar's parish, married there in 1649, Euphame Nisbet;...
His testament was confirmed in Edinburgh 29 December 1682 his widow Euphame being sole executrix. Their issue:- ...
i. John, merchant burgess in Greyfriars parish. member of the Edinburgh Merchant Company. He was, with his wife, Martha Weir, ...
ii. Susanna, a resident at Blackmark in 1684, but deceased before 5 January 1687 when her brother was served her heir...."
When, a few years ago, I decided to search GRO parish records I found the following baptisms/christenings recorded:
24 Jun 1652 Susanna Glenduning, d/o George and Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
25 Jul 1654 Williame Glendunning, s/o George and Euphame Nisbet, Edinburgh. [LDSMF# 1066663, Old parochial registers for Edinburgh, 1595-1860. Church of Scotland, Edinburgh]
28 Oct 1656 Johne Glendunning, s/o George and Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
24 Oct 1658 Jeane Glendunning, d/o George and Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
8 Nov 1659 Catherine Glendunning, d/o George and Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
11 Aug 1661 Eupham Glendunning, d/o George and Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
3 Feb 1663 George Glenduning, s/o George & Eupham Nisbet, Edinburgh.
I would be willing to accept Catherine, born in 1659, daughter of George and Euphame as Alexander Fraser's bride EXCEPT that in the same parish we find John and Agnes Muir having children baptized/christened:
4 Jun 1654 Johne Glendunning, s/o Johne & Agnes Moore, Edinburgh.
21 Oct 1655 James Glendunning, s/o Johne & Agnes Moore, Edinburgh [LDSMF# 1066663, Old parochial registers for Edinburgh, 1595-1860, Church of Scotland, Edinburgh]
28 Sep 1656 Helene Glendunning, d/o Johne & Agnes Moore
20 Dec 1657 Williame Glendunning, s/o Johne & Agnes Moore, Edinburgh.
18 Sep 1659 George Glendunning, s/o Johne & Agnes Moore, Edinburgh.
28 Apr 1661 John Glenduning, s/o John & Agnes Muir, Edinburgh
29 Feb 1663 Helene Glenduning, d/o John & Agnes Moore, Edinburgh
26 May 1665 Catherine Glenduning, d/o John & Agnes Muir, Edinburgh
17 Aug 1666 Catherine Glenduning, d/o John & Agnes Muir
Okay, now we have two daughters listed for John & Agnes, both named Catherine. I believe the eldest died and the next girl was given the same name. I can live with this.
I can't afford, at the current rate of exchange, to request marriage/baptismal/christening records willy-nilly.
What are the chances that the marriage record of Alexander Fraser and Catherine Glenduning would have recorded the parents' names??????
Thanks, Lee. Just what I was looking for. Someday I've got to do an index for GTC. Then I have to fasten the whole thing to my wrist so I'll be able to find it when I want it.
I'm trying to figure out who the parents of Catherine Glenduning who married Alexander Fraser in 1683, Edinburgh, were. Both George & Euphame Nisbet and John and Agnes Muir named daughters Catherine and both were born within a few years of each other. Their baptismal/christening records are on the same role of microfilm.
Thanks again,
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: Lee Dickson
To: 'Sharon Bryant'
Cc: clendenin(a)rootsweb.com ; clendinen(a)rootsweb.com
Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2007 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: GTC Edinburgh
Here's reference from GTC to George m: Euphame and George m: Marion Hearing. Did not find a mention of John m: Agnes Muir/Moore, however.
Please excuse, there are probably lots of typos here, both by me and the typed transcript I copied this from. But it will give you an idea.
LAGGANE, MOCHRUM, EDINBURGH - Part XI.
16LA. GEORGE GLENDINING IN EDINBURGH, youngest son of [14L] William, merchant in Greyfriar's parish, married there in 1649, Euphame Nisbet; in 1660, as a merchant burgess of that city, witnessed an assignment by his brother [16L] William; appeared in 1662 for his brother [16M] James before the Lords in Edinburgh; and in July 1670, with the consent of his said brothers german, William (who assigned his interest therein) and James (who did not) purchased from Elizabeth, daughter of the late [15KA] William Glendoning of Gelston, the 6 merk lands of Corra, parish of Buittle. In 1671 George and his brother James were insest in Blackbellie. He died in October 1680. His testament was confirmed in Edinburgh 29 December 1682 his widow Euphame being sole executrix. Their issue:-
i. John, merchant burgess in Greyfriars parish. member of the Edinburgh Merchant Company. He was, with his wife, Martha Weir, insest in Nether Laggane, its houses yard and pertinents, 5 January 1687. In June 1694 he had sasine (and was so styled) of the lands of Corra in Buittle, Quarter in Tungland and Trostrie in Twynholm. He is believed to have sold Corra in 1696 to John Irving of Drumcoltran and John McGeorge of Cocklick, but the superiority remained with his cousin and namesake. Glendining and his wife seem to have been deceased in 1716 when their lands of Nether Laggane passed to the Coltharts. They have five children buried in Greyfriars kirkyard:- i. a child 11 February 1684, ii. a child 8 September 1684, iii. Jean in the Tod tomb 22 April 1685, iv. a child 10 January 1693, v. a halflin 15 March 1700.
ii. Susanna, a resident at Blackmark in 1684, but deceased before 5 January 1687 when her brother was served her heir. Nevertheless she appears to have been the wife of Robert Colthart of Leaths in Buittle, who in 1716 was insest in the life-rent of Nether Laggane, his son, Robert Colthart of Laggane and Susanna, daughter of the late James Cothart, being equally insest in the lands of Nether Laggane, 15 September 1716, their descendants inheriting.
MISCELLANEA - PART XII.
ESKDALEMUIR.
JOHN [11] had transactions with Kelso Abbey 1493 and held Dalgleish in Selkirk 1507, his son-ADAM Glendoning, squire to Angus, etc. (part iii) in 1546 undertook to deliver a letter to Carlisle for David Maitland and in 1554 witnessed in Selkirk documents between his relative David Hume of Wedderburn (cousin to Angus) and Robert Michelson of Blackhaugh. Of the family inheritance Adam occupied Watcarrick of Eskdalemuir, a tenandry, on the Esk above the baronial lands of Glendonwyn, including the Castlehill, Holm and Chapel of Watcarrick, all held by his ancestors as early as 1376 from Melrose Abbey (Langholm, Hyslop). In 1585 Adam Glendoning in Watcarrick shared in the crown indemnity to Lord Maxwell and his friends for all illegal acts since 1569 (Hamilton Papers ii: Letters Hy. viii: R.M.S. iv: Mss. Home: A.P.S. iii) his son-JOHN lived in England, apparently at Bishopton near Ripon in Yorkshire (possibly the family still held an interest there). He joined the English and fought (Pinkie 1547) against the Scots. Coming to Scotland in 1548 he was, at the instance of Lochinvar, forgiven by the King. He m. before 1547 dau. of George Gordon in Kirkland. John Glendoning witnessed a grant of lands in Selkirk 1561, but in 1562 his goods there were seized by the sheriff. He appears to have held Drummoir near Dumfries from Lord Maxwell in 1583, but in Dec. 1585 was resident at Castlehill of Watcarrick or Eskdalemuir and included in the crown indemnity of Maxwell and his men for their part in the capture of Stirling and for all illegal acts since 1569 (Sec. Sig. iii: R.M.S. iv: Acc. Ld. Treas. 1562: A.P.S. iii)-
i. MATTHEW in Castlehill included in above indemnity 1585 (Ibid.)-JOHN, ADAM and BERTIL in Holm of Watcarrich 1623-8 (P.C. xiv, ii).
ii. JAMES in Castlehill included in above indemnity 1585, apparently settled in Kirkgate, Dumfries, dying a merchant burgess of the town 1625 (A.P.S. iii: Com. Dumfries)- MATTHEW in Dumfries 1638 his son-JAMES in Dumfries, travelling merchant, d.v.p. 1638 (Ibid.)-JOHN Glendining in Kirkgate, Dumfries 1667 (P.C. ii).
iii. ALEXANDER of Eskdalemuir included in above indemnity 1585, witnessed at Dumfries with his father, John Glendining styled Drummoir, marriage contract of K. Glendoning below (A.P.S. iii: R.M.S. vi).
iv. BARTIL in Carruthers Park included in indemnity of 1585 (A.P.S. iii)-SIMON Glendoning there, probably the borderer executed with Gavin Glendoning at Jedburgh Oct. 1606 (Ibid.: P.C. vii).
v. GEORGE held land in Bowden, Rox. from Kelso Abbey 1567 (Ch. Keslo)-
1. GEORGE in Edinborough, merchant tailor 1605, burgess of Leith 1617, had held land in Bowden and owned tenement in Edinburgh 1631, m. there 1605 Marion Hearing (P.C. xi: R.M.S. viii: P.R.)-JAMES in Leith and his wife Helen Browne 1669 (Reg. Deeds ix)-Janet Glendining in Leith imprisoned in Dunnottar for her religion but released 1685 (P.C. xi).
2. SIMON in Kelso 1618 (P.C. xi) probable ancestor of the Glendinings in Lessudden, Melrose and Coldstream.
vi. Katherine, distinguished for staunch adherence to the Catholic faith, m. by contract 19 Feb. 1583 at Dumfries to John Maxwell of Conheath, merchant burgess of Dumfries (R.M.S. vi: P.C. xiii, ii).
Lee Dickson
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Bryant [mailto:SharonBryant@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:42 PM
To: clendenin(a)rootsweb.com; clendinen(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CLENDINEN] GTC Edinburgh
Could someone who has this publication let me know if there is a section on Edinburgh?
I'm looking for a George m Euphame Nisbet and a John m Agnes Muir/Moore. These men may be brothers, sons of George and Marion Her(r)ing.
Thanks.
Sharon
Here's reference from GTC to George m: Euphame and George m: Marion Hearing.
Did not find a mention of John m: Agnes Muir/Moore, however.
Please excuse, there are probably lots of typos here, both by me and the
typed transcript I copied this from. But it will give you an idea.
LAGGANE, MOCHRUM, EDINBURGH - Part XI.
16LA. GEORGE GLENDINING IN EDINBURGH, youngest son of [14L] William,
merchant in Greyfriar's parish, married there in 1649, Euphame Nisbet; in
1660, as a merchant burgess of that city, witnessed an assignment by his
brother [16L] William; appeared in 1662 for his brother [16M] James before
the Lords in Edinburgh; and in July 1670, with the consent of his said
brothers german, William (who assigned his interest therein) and James (who
did not) purchased from Elizabeth, daughter of the late [15KA] William
Glendoning of Gelston, the 6 merk lands of Corra, parish of Buittle. In 1671
George and his brother James were insest in Blackbellie. He died in October
1680. His testament was confirmed in Edinburgh 29 December 1682 his widow
Euphame being sole executrix. Their issue:-
i. John, merchant burgess in Greyfriars parish. member of the
Edinburgh Merchant Company. He was, with his wife, Martha Weir, insest in
Nether Laggane, its houses yard and pertinents, 5 January 1687. In June 1694
he had sasine (and was so styled) of the lands of Corra in Buittle, Quarter
in Tungland and Trostrie in Twynholm. He is believed to have sold Corra in
1696 to John Irving of Drumcoltran and John McGeorge of Cocklick, but the
superiority remained with his cousin and namesake. Glendining and his wife
seem to have been deceased in 1716 when their lands of Nether Laggane passed
to the Coltharts. They have five children buried in Greyfriars kirkyard:- i.
a child 11 February 1684, ii. a child 8 September 1684, iii. Jean in the Tod
tomb 22 April 1685, iv. a child 10 January 1693, v. a halflin 15 March 1700.
ii. Susanna, a resident at Blackmark in 1684, but deceased before 5
January 1687 when her brother was served her heir. Nevertheless she appears
to have been the wife of Robert Colthart of Leaths in Buittle, who in 1716
was insest in the life-rent of Nether Laggane, his son, Robert Colthart of
Laggane and Susanna, daughter of the late James Cothart, being equally
insest in the lands of Nether Laggane, 15 September 1716, their descendants
inheriting.
MISCELLANEA - PART XII.
ESKDALEMUIR.
JOHN [11] had transactions with Kelso Abbey 1493 and held Dalgleish in
Selkirk 1507, his son-ADAM Glendoning, squire to Angus, etc. (part iii) in
1546 undertook to deliver a letter to Carlisle for David Maitland and in
1554 witnessed in Selkirk documents between his relative David Hume of
Wedderburn (cousin to Angus) and Robert Michelson of Blackhaugh. Of the
family inheritance Adam occupied Watcarrick of Eskdalemuir, a tenandry, on
the Esk above the baronial lands of Glendonwyn, including the Castlehill,
Holm and Chapel of Watcarrick, all held by his ancestors as early as 1376
from Melrose Abbey (Langholm, Hyslop). In 1585 Adam Glendoning in Watcarrick
shared in the crown indemnity to Lord Maxwell and his friends for all
illegal acts since 1569 (Hamilton Papers ii: Letters Hy. viii: R.M.S. iv:
Mss. Home: A.P.S. iii) his son-JOHN lived in England, apparently at
Bishopton near Ripon in Yorkshire (possibly the family still held an
interest there). He joined the English and fought (Pinkie 1547) against the
Scots. Coming to Scotland in 1548 he was, at the instance of Lochinvar,
forgiven by the King. He m. before 1547 dau. of George Gordon in Kirkland.
John Glendoning witnessed a grant of lands in Selkirk 1561, but in 1562 his
goods there were seized by the sheriff. He appears to have held Drummoir
near Dumfries from Lord Maxwell in 1583, but in Dec. 1585 was resident at
Castlehill of Watcarrick or Eskdalemuir and included in the crown indemnity
of Maxwell and his men for their part in the capture of Stirling and for all
illegal acts since 1569 (Sec. Sig. iii: R.M.S. iv: Acc. Ld. Treas. 1562:
A.P.S. iii)-
i. MATTHEW in Castlehill included in above indemnity 1585
(Ibid.)-JOHN, ADAM and BERTIL in Holm of Watcarrich 1623-8 (P.C. xiv, ii).
ii. JAMES in Castlehill included in above indemnity 1585, apparently
settled in Kirkgate, Dumfries, dying a merchant burgess of the town 1625
(A.P.S. iii: Com. Dumfries)- MATTHEW in Dumfries 1638 his son-JAMES in
Dumfries, travelling merchant, d.v.p. 1638 (Ibid.)-JOHN Glendining in
Kirkgate, Dumfries 1667 (P.C. ii).
iii. ALEXANDER of Eskdalemuir included in above indemnity 1585,
witnessed at Dumfries with his father, John Glendining styled Drummoir,
marriage contract of K. Glendoning below (A.P.S. iii: R.M.S. vi).
iv. BARTIL in Carruthers Park included in indemnity of 1585 (A.P.S.
iii)-SIMON Glendoning there, probably the borderer executed with Gavin
Glendoning at Jedburgh Oct. 1606 (Ibid.: P.C. vii).
v. GEORGE held land in Bowden, Rox. from Kelso Abbey 1567 (Ch.
Keslo)-
1. GEORGE in Edinborough, merchant tailor 1605, burgess of
Leith 1617, had held land in Bowden and owned tenement in Edinburgh 1631, m.
there 1605 Marion Hearing (P.C. xi: R.M.S. viii: P.R.)-JAMES in Leith and
his wife Helen Browne 1669 (Reg. Deeds ix)-Janet Glendining in Leith
imprisoned in Dunnottar for her religion but released 1685 (P.C. xi).
2. SIMON in Kelso 1618 (P.C. xi) probable ancestor of the
Glendinings in Lessudden, Melrose and Coldstream.
vi. Katherine, distinguished for staunch adherence to the Catholic
faith, m. by contract 19 Feb. 1583 at Dumfries to John Maxwell of Conheath,
merchant burgess of Dumfries (R.M.S. vi: P.C. xiii, ii).
Lee Dickson
-----Original Message-----
From: Sharon Bryant [mailto:SharonBryant@cox.net]
Sent: Monday, August 20, 2007 1:42 PM
To: clendenin(a)rootsweb.com; clendinen(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CLENDINEN] GTC Edinburgh
Could someone who has this publication let me know if there is a section on
Edinburgh?
I'm looking for a George m Euphame Nisbet and a John m Agnes Muir/Moore.
These men may be brothers, sons of George and Marion Her(r)ing.
Thanks.
Sharon
Bill, you are correct. Charles America is born after the will was
written. Fisher is named in the Will.
William F. Clendenin wrote:
> I can't remember who provided me with the "Descendants of William
> Clendenin", but I have discovered an error in it. Fisher Clendenin's will
> lists five sons, Thomas, Joseph, William, James, Fisher, a daughter Sarah
> and an unborn child. His will was written April 19, 1811. The descendants of
> Fisher list Charles b. 7 Aug 1809 and Fisher b. 7 Aug 1811. Apparently their
> birth dates should be reversed. Can anyone clarify?
>
> Bill Clendenin
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLENDENIN-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>
>
>
I can't remember who provided me with the "Descendants of William
Clendenin", but I have discovered an error in it. Fisher Clendenin's will
lists five sons, Thomas, Joseph, William, James, Fisher, a daughter Sarah
and an unborn child. His will was written April 19, 1811. The descendants of
Fisher list Charles b. 7 Aug 1809 and Fisher b. 7 Aug 1811. Apparently their
birth dates should be reversed. Can anyone clarify?
Bill Clendenin
Could someone who has this publication let me know if there is a section on Edinburgh?
I'm looking for a George m Euphame Nisbet and a John m Agnes Muir/Moore. These men may be brothers, sons of George and Marion Her(r)ing.
Thanks.
Sharon
[I am not going to "clip" this message because the reply was sent to only
one of the two mailing lists that the original was addressed to.]
Hi Carol,
Donna beat me to it by asking which of the Orange Co., NC Clendenins was
your particular line. Okay, so your ancestor lineage goes like this:
Fisher m Anne Bradshaw
Thomas C m Rachel Woody, Mary Gallin, Melvina Dorton
George M. Dallas m Phoebe Clementine Applin
James m ??????
then to your mother
Okay, I am assuming that none of your close Clendenin male relatives have
been tested. Is that correct? And that none of the male Clendenin
descendants of Thomas C. numerous sons have been tested?
We do have a participant from the Fisher-Bradshaw lineage; William F
Clendenin is a descendant of William G. & Isabella Johnston. William G. was
a brother of Thomas C. Clendenin.
We also have descendants from two different branches of the descendants of
Joseph and Ann "Nancy" Webb, Fisher's brother..
The DNA on all three men is very close and WITH the traditional paper
lineage we were able to determine who these men were.
I don't believe that I have ever stated that traditional genealogy research
could be set aside in favor of DNA testing only. DNA testing is a "tool"
just like census.
reports, deeds, vital record certificates.
A prime example of why the traditional research MUST continue can also be
found on the Clendenin website: We have three men who, when tested, matched
37 markers out of 37 markers. These men share a common ancestor. However,
the traditional research has one being born c 1752 PA; one being born before
1748 and emigrating to Canada, and the third born over 100 years later in PA
and moving to MS where he died. ONLY traditional genealogical research is
ever going to tell us who their common ancestor was. Each man's descendants
spell their names differently.
My only responsibility is to administer the project, post the results and to
offer assistance is deciphering what the numbers mean. I do continue to
investigate clues that I am given and try to recruit others to test.
Sharon
----- Original Message -----
From: "Carol" <cjohn(a)tznet.com>
To: <clendenin(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2007 9:37 AM
Subject: [CLENDENIN] My two cents
> With 25 years of research on my Clendenin line, some solid primary and
> much more published secondary, I was delighted when the DNA studies came
> out. I watched the charts with baited breath to see who connected to
> whom. But, because of that, gggrandpa's data lay mouldering in a box in
> the corner. Disregarding all the good rules of research, "Work
> Backward." I happily skipped over to Ireland, Scotland and Wales
> finding 'stories' of my glorious "maybe" ancestors who shared my DNA.
> Letter writing, visiting Court houses, cemeteries, reading census
> records and land grants were forgotten.
>
> I am sure that at some point Sharon made us aware that a 'paper trail'
> was still the first step in a good genealogy. But, why bother putting
> together bits and pieces when someone somewhere who shares my DNA has it
> all done for me. Silly me!
>
> You would think that after this many years of research I would have
> learned the lesson. I am not ready to take my flights of fancy to IRE,
> Scotland, etc. . . I still don't have primary evidence on some of the
> most basic information from the first known direct ancestor in 1767 in
> Orange County NC.
>
> So, dear friends, I have gone back to the basics. I am haunting
> cemeteries, courthouses and primary records for information and writing
> old fashioned letters. Unless/until my research is based on solid facts
> (or as solid as they can be) I must stay on this side of the pond and
> gather all the data I can find.
>
> DNA charts are a good 'tool' but only a tool. Could that be why the
> lists are so quiet? Did others fall into the same trap that I did?
>
> Off subject. It is 53 degrees here and rain coming. Fall is in the
> air. Wonderful sleeping weather.
>
> Cheers, Carol
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In a message dated 8/18/2007 9:38:08 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
cjohn(a)tznet.com writes:
> information from the first known direct ancestor in 1767 in
> Orange County NC.
>
Can you please tell me what Clendenin in Orange Co you go back to, I go back
to Old William and Mary from orange Co. NC.
Donna Sherron in NC </HTML>
With 25 years of research on my Clendenin line, some solid primary and
much more published secondary, I was delighted when the DNA studies came
out. I watched the charts with baited breath to see who connected to
whom. But, because of that, gggrandpa's data lay mouldering in a box in
the corner. Disregarding all the good rules of research, "Work
Backward." I happily skipped over to Ireland, Scotland and Wales
finding 'stories' of my glorious "maybe" ancestors who shared my DNA.
Letter writing, visiting Court houses, cemeteries, reading census
records and land grants were forgotten.
I am sure that at some point Sharon made us aware that a 'paper trail'
was still the first step in a good genealogy. But, why bother putting
together bits and pieces when someone somewhere who shares my DNA has it
all done for me. Silly me!
You would think that after this many years of research I would have
learned the lesson. I am not ready to take my flights of fancy to IRE,
Scotland, etc. . . I still don't have primary evidence on some of the
most basic information from the first known direct ancestor in 1767 in
Orange County NC.
So, dear friends, I have gone back to the basics. I am haunting
cemeteries, courthouses and primary records for information and writing
old fashioned letters. Unless/until my research is based on solid facts
(or as solid as they can be) I must stay on this side of the pond and
gather all the data I can find.
DNA charts are a good 'tool' but only a tool. Could that be why the
lists are so quiet? Did others fall into the same trap that I did?
Off subject. It is 53 degrees here and rain coming. Fall is in the
air. Wonderful sleeping weather.
Cheers, Carol
some interest by new potential participants. The project is becoming stagnant.
The cost of testing is right now the lowest it has been since the project started. I can't guarantee anyone that FTDNA will offer gift certificates later this year.
We also have run very low on funds in the General Fund for our purposes.
Need to get cracking here. I know that some of you have suffered illnesses which have taken you from your research or your ability to fund new participants but maybe someone else you know is willing to test and pay for their own testing.
If anyone has any questions please just drop me a line. It's hot here and I'm spending as much time indoors as possible.
Probably won't spend any time out in the yard until the temps drop to the low 80s at least. School starts in a couple of weeks so won't have anything much to do except care for two cats, two kids, one grandkid, 50+ fancy-tailed guppies, my health, etc., etc.
Let us hear how you're doing and what's going on in your genealogy world.
Sharon
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