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Hello,
I just returned home (Sunday, 3:30 p.m. EDT) from my trip to Indiana. I am packing to return to Indiana tomorrow by car.
My mother died yesterday afternoon after careful discussion with the doctor of her prognosis and bearing in mind her wishes, about an hour and a half after she was removed from the machines. Three of her four children were with her as was her surviving brother and sister, and her oldest grandson.
We said goodbye and let her rest. I'm okay with this even though it was a difficult decision; but it was one that we prayed over and we made together as a family.
God bless each of you. If you haven't told your parents you love them today and you can, do so.
Sharon
Okay, here's the situation. I am leaving home on Friday, 8/27 at about 8:30 a.m. I will return home Sunday, 8/29 at about 3:30 p.m.
I am going to Indiana to see my 82 yo mother who has been hospitalized for the second time in about a month. She is going into multiple organ failure suffering from a congestive heart condition and kidney disease (she is diabetic). Her kidneys are almost non-functional and her heart congestion is such that when she breathes she can not exhale the carbon dioxide.
I'm hoping that when I get there she is alert enough to recognize me. She and I have both charred some bridge supports and it is time to make sure the bridge is repaired. And my two youngest brothers who are co-administrators/co-trustees for her will/living trust are going to have to make some real hard decisions in accordance with her "do not resuscitate" wishes so I want to be able to lend moral support.
If you have a prayer in you make it one that asks she not suffer and that God's will be done. Thank you.
Sharon
Good morning,
Update: We have received the third panel of markers for Doug Clendenin and I will upload the updated results file today. In the next couple of days I will be removing that page from the website in order to make some significant changes in the way the data is presented. Please be patient if it is down more than 24 hours.
We should have a retested results for Guy Clendinnen by 9/11 with more results due in 9/19 and 9/25. FTDNA has been running about a week ahead of their projected results dates so maybe these will come in earlier.
1. Upgrade from 25-37 markers: Several of you have received third panels results for testing that you did not order. I realize that; I ordered them because it seems to be the third panel which is giving us the best clues for where families branched off. I have run out of money to order additional third panel upgrades so if anyone who has or is receiving those results and who did not order them would like to throw some money into the "kitty" to help out others that would be appreciated. Checks can be made out to me (to reimburse me) or to FTDNA and sent to me which will then be used to upgrade others.
My address: Sharon Bryant, 518 W Little Creek Rd, Norfolk, VA 23505-3345.
Please note that no one is obligated to reimburse me but it would be nice.
If you can afford the full 37 markers testing when you place your order, please do that.
2. There is a FTDNA "Facts & Genes" newsletter that FTDNA will send you if you sign up for it. You can find the link on the FTDNA website at http://www.familytreedna.com.
3. I have asked you all to upload your results when you have received them to the Y-search file. This data is used by others to find a connection to you and also by researchers who deal primarily with the genetics rather than the genealogy. What they are looking for is distinct haplotypes, haplogroup information, etc. The data once it is collected (only the results numbers) is used to try to determine a geographical location for your ancestors. This is considered to be "deep" ancestry searching.
Please, if you have not yet uploaded the information do so. It is so very important. You are given the option of giving your personal contact information or not doing so if you don't want to be bothered with being contacted. If all of your results have not been uploaded, or if you're not sure, just go to the email which you received from FTDNA with your results and look for the Y-search upload link. It should be on the left hand side of the webpage. Just click on upload; the numbers are automatically loaded for you and all you have to do is give some information regarding your earliest known ancestor (I would make that the one you can "prove") and give your contact information if you wish.
Ysearch: Just Click Upload
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Family Tree DNA customers simply click Upload on their Personal Page, to
automatically upload their Y DNA results to Ysearch. If you then upgrade
your Y DNA test, such as from 25 Markers to 37 Markers, the Upload
selection will reappear on your Personal Page, as a reminder to upload the
additional Markers.
4. There have been several enhancements to Ysearch and so I am including them here.
Significant enhancements have been implemented for Ysearch.org
1. Ancestral location latitude/longitude coordinates
Ysearch has been enhanced so that the location for your most distant male
ancestor can be entered using latitude and longitude coordinates.
Once the coordinates for your most distant ancestor are entered, your most
distant ancestor will become a pin on the new HaploMap, which is described
below.
It is important to update your Ysearch record with this information.
Please take a moment now and add this information. Follow the directions
in the article below, titled Ysearch: Update for Latitude/Longitude. The
directions include a link to a web site where you can look up the latitude
and longitude coordinates for your ancestral location.
2. HaploMap
Ysearch now provides a new tool called HaploMap. The HaploMap displays a
pin on a map of Europe for the location of each most distant ancestor for
a Haplogroup, as long as the latitude and longitude coordinates have been
entered.
These maps are quite interesting, and can be a useful tool for genealogists.
Make sure your ancestor is represented on the HaploMap by following the
directions in the article below to add the latitude and longitude coordinates to your Ysearch record.
The HaploMap currently shows Europe. If your most distant known ancestor
was located somewhere else, they will not appear on the map, and will
appear in the statistics shown below the map, in the category labeled
Users Off Map.
To view the HaploMap, go to www.Ysearch.org, click the tab "Statistics",
click the selection "Ysearch Haplogroup Distribution". Above the Pie
Chart on the page, after the words "Show the Haplomap for", select a
Haplogroup, and click "Go".
5. Gedcom files on Y search
Ysearch: Add Your Gedcom File
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At Ysearch.org, you can now add your Gedcom file. Gedcom is a standard
that was developed for the exchange of genealogy data between programs.
Most family tree programs will create a Gedcom file. A gedcom file has
ged at the end of the file name.
A Gedcom file can be uploaded for a record in Ysearch.org. Information on
persons born in 1900 or later is automatically hidden and not displayed,
unless you select the option to display this information. Up to 13
generations of ancestors can be added to a Ysearch record.
The information imported into Ysearch from your Gedcom file is: name,
birth date and place, death date and place, burial date and place (only if
death information is unavailable), and the relationships between
individuals.
Ysearch now includes surnames found in Gedcom files in the results for a
Surname Search, and Pedigree information can be displayed.
The first step to adding your Gedcom file is to make a current Gedcom file
using your family tree program. Make sure that the person whose Y DNA
record you will update with the Gedcom file is included in the Gedcom
file.
The next step is to make sure that your Gedcom file does not exceed 5 MB.
When your Gedcom file is ready, log into your record at Ysearch.org.
http://www.ysearch.org/edit_start.asp
6. How do I show my results in my family database
Genetic Genealogy: Documentation of DNA Results
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Documenting your research is a essential step in family history research.
Most genealogists use a family tree program to record their research. If
people in your family tree have taken a DNA test, you will want to enter
these results in your family tree program. Most programs will not have a
screen designed for DNA results, so you will have to use a miscellaneous
screen.
If your family tree program has a feature where you can attach digital
images or photographs to people in the family tree, you can scan the
certificate of DNA test results, and attach the image to the person who
tested.
If you enter into your family tree program the predicted Haplogroup for a
person, and they haven't taken a Haplogroup test, it will be important to
note that the Haplogroup is predicted.
Citing your sources is an important component of documenting your family
history research. The source for a predicted Haplogroup would be the web
page where the Haplogroup is predicted. The source for a Haplogroup, when
the Haplogroup test has been taken, would be the certificate.
The source for Y DNA test results and mtDNA test results would typically
be the certificate. If someone in your family tree took a DNA test and
they told you the results, then the source is the person providing the
information, not the certificate, unless you have a copy of the
certificate.
7. The only other thing I can think of right now is that I may need to be off-line for a while. Due to a serious medical condition I may have to make a trip to Indiana; if so, I should not be gone more than a week. If that occurs I will send out another email stating that I will be away from home.
Sharon
Hello,
William Clendenin of NC had the following sons: John, Andrew, Charles, William, Joseph, James, and Fisher.
We have tested two descendants of Joseph Clendenin. We need to test a couple more male descendants of the OTHER brothers who carry the Clendenin surname.
Anybody out there? It should be someone who would be willing to go for a full 37-markers.
Sharon
Several of you have said I see the results but what does it mean? So I have prepared an analysis of the results for those with 37 markers reported.
http://homepages.rootsweb.com/~clendin
Good morning,
I received Steve's 2nd panel results last evening late and posted them to the websites.
We're in a tropical storm warning area of Charley's path and we're battening down the hatches. And some of the rest of you may also be. Take all necessary precautions; I would rather have you around next week than wonder why I didn't get an email response.
We're moving all the loose things in the backyard and saying prayers for those things that can't be moved, i.e., my cucumber pot (cukes are growing on the fence). They're expecting wind up to 85 mph by this afternoon for this area.
Last year Isabel laid a tree from the neighbor's back property line down across my yard and the tips brushed down the side of my house. I have a very large tree standing on the corner of my property that has the potential to take out all of my electrical lines and hit my house if the wind catches it. So we're taking precautions and will be as safe as we can be.
I'm not fatalistic, just a pragmatist. God bless you all. Be safe.
Sharon
Okay I've been reading what Cathy sent and checking out the records on Ancestry and I have a question:
In Cathy's material yesterday she indicated a John Clendinen in 1799 Green Co., KY tax list. Then in 1800 a James Clendinnon and John Clendinnen, both in Green Co., KY tax list.
My questions is who are these people if James and Margaret Anderson are in Rockcastle Co. with Joseph Baldwin enumerated there also in 1810?
Rationale: Green Co., KY is in the western part of the state but the records there are 10 years earlier than the ones in Rockcastle which is in the southeast portion of the state.
Sharon
Hi,
Just got another set of third panel markers--this one is for Randal. Interesting thing though, all of those 25/25 matches we had a month ago are showing signs of mutations as the testing is taken to 37 markers.
I have posted Randal's results and he no longer matches exactly with George who is his 4C 1R--their MRCA is Joseph Webb who was born in 1764.
When you look at the chart you will see that there are three markers for each of them that are a different color. I have been using a light orange to indicate mutations but I don't think I have ever explained what I was comparing.
I have been using Ron's 37 marker results to bounce all the others off of. Just thought I should let you know.
Sharon
Please, if you have received your results upload the results into the Y-search. This database is used for statistical studies and you can now load a GEDCOM.
Please.
Thank you,
Sharon
I posted five sets of third panel marker (26-37) results this morning. Congratulations to Barney, Warren, and Alan. They used to have a 25/25 match--they now have 37/37. Your MRCA is closer than you think. You just have to rustle the bushes a little more. Go back and look at changes in state borders, county borders, etc. The one you're looking for may be right there but listed in a different county.
The rest of you are all real close and most of the mutations seem to be on fast-moving markers.
If you have not submitted a test because you think you know your lineage, don't be so sure. The DNA testing is an excellent tool for confirming your lineage.
Sharon
The rootsweb servers have been kind of bonkers lately so I didn't send out the most recent update. Thought I had better do it before I forgot.
We got two sets of first panel markers and I have posted them to the website.
I also received my mtDNA results yesterday. They placed me in Haplogroup J which began in the Fertile Crescent area and moved across Europe with a strong concentration in Germany with further dispersion to Great Britian and western Scotland. I decided to post the results to a mtDNA logbook which exists online but before I did I decided I would check and make sure I had "all my ducks in a row" as far as my maternal ancestry went.
I already knew that my oldest, to my knowledge, was a Rebecca Cox, d/o Thomas Cocks/Cox, and wife of James Fraser. Rebecca and James were married in 1740 at Warrington MM, York Co., PA. I continued to explore the Thomas Cox wife's line and when I was satisfied with that I decided to look at the Frasers.
James was the son of Alexander Fraser and Sarah Coppock. Alexander had signed as a witness to James' marriage. I thought, oh what the heck, let me see what else I can find. Imagine how my jaw dropped when I discovered that Alexander was the son of another Alexander Fraser and Catharine GLENDUNING, m 1683 Edinburgh Parish, Midlothian, SCT. I not only found Alexander & Catharine's marriage record in the IGI (complete with MF #) I also found the christening record for their son, Alexander, James' father.
I can't even make a connection with the Clendenin that I already had and now I get to try to connect a Glendenning/Glendunning to somebody, anybody?!
Well, anyway, that's been my weekend. On to the search again.
Sharon
Hi,
Can anyone tell me who the parents were of the following two Clendenins in NC, probably Alamance Co.?
Fisher Clendenin m. Rhoda Everett Cook
Melissa Jane Clendenin m 1) Staley, 2) Archibald Cook
Thanks,
Sharon
Hi,
If you have ordered DNA testing and have received your results there is another step which will help in comparing those results to others that may have the same results.
It's called Y-Search and it is located on the left-hand side of your personal page at FTDNA. Just log in with your kit number and password at the main FTDNA page. Then when you see the Y-Search information click on the button at the bottom that asks you if you want to upload. Then just follow instructions.
You will be given a new log-in and password which will work ONLY on Y-search. It wouldn't hurt to take a look around the Y-Search website. It can be very helpful.
Thanks,
Sharon
Hi,
I just posted Bill Clendenin's second panel results. All I can say is Whoa! It's time some of you started digging up your venerable ancestors and saying "okay, what's the truth here?" :>)
Haven't you ever wanted to go to the "family" cemetery and just yell "all right. All of you who are my relatives, stand up. I've got questions?"
Seriously now, Bill is descended from Adam (b 1740, probably Virginia) and Winifred Clendenin. But how does that stack up against Ron, Mike, Randal, & George? They're all one step away from Bill and that is in marker 459b.
Ron's line of descent is from James Clendennen (b 1752, PA m. Jane McCamish); Mike's is from John Glendenning (d 1839, Brown Co., OH m. Jenette Wilson), Randal & George are both descended from Joseph Clendenin (b 1764 (NC?) married Nancy Anne Webb).
I was hoping this would get easier but it just seems to open a larger can of worms. Help here, folks!
Family Tree says:
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You share the same surname (or a variant) with another male and you mismatch by only one 'point' on only one marker. For most closely related and same surnamed individuals, the mismatch markers are usually either DYS 439 or DYS 385 A, 385 B,389-1 and 389-2 from our first panel of 12 markers, and on the following from the second panel: DYS #'s 458 459 a 459b 449, 464 a-d, which have shown themselves to move most rapidly. The probability of a close relationship is very high.
Does anyone know who this William Morrow is? I ask because Wm of Quarterland's daughter, Elizabeth, married John Morrow. Did this family come to America too?
Will Book B page 126
Will in NC Archives. Dated 17 May 1790, proved Feb. 1791
JACOB DEBLEY
Wife: Margery Debley
"boys Jacob, James and John Debley, my three sons."
Daughters: Mary Debley, Fanny Debley.
The children are all minors. Sons are to be apprenticed to
trades when they reach 14 years of age.
Executors: John Steele, John Thompson.
Witnesses: WILLIAM CLENDENNIN, William Morrow.
Donna asked me this morning if I could do the same thing with William (NC) descendants that I did with Robert, William, & Alexander, s/o Charles Clendenin of VA.
I indicated that I would but have come up against what may be a problem. I have enough notes in my files which I believe could be helpful in identifying the descendants of William that it makes up a 20 page document. This is too long to go into a regular email message.
So, if you want this file, please contact me and I will send it to you as an attachment. NOTE: THIS INFORMATION HAS NOT BEEN VERIFIED. I am willing to, and want to, make appropriate corrections if you have documentation for the information you send me.
The one person that I feel to be the expert on the William (NC) line is Norm Clendenin and he has been having computer problems which will not allow him to access his database.
Sharon