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Published in the Munday, TX - Courier - May 25, "05
Clemmer, Helen Frances Brown
Helen Frances Brown Clemmer, of Midland, died Sunday, May 15, 2005 following a massive heart attack, one week before her 83rd birthday.
She was born May 22. 1922, to Crockett Hall Brown and Luzerna Al ice Caidwel I Brown in Baylor County, Texas, and was raised and educated in Munday, Texas. On December 26, 1940, she married Dale Clemmer in Mangum, Oklahoma, In over six decades of service to the Methodist Church, Helen served in almost every capacity possible. She has preached, visited, cared for the sick and bereaved, taught, and was the leader in most places of responsibility. Helen was in the groundbreaking first class of lay ministers to graduate from Perkins School of Theology at SMU in Dallas in 1972. She was consecrated as a lay minister in the same service of worship in which her oldest son Dick was ordained as a pastoral minister in the Methodist Church. For the next 17 years she served as director of Christian Education at St. Luke's United Methodist Church in Midland. After retirement, Helen continued her service to the church, teaching and serving faithfully until the last days of her life. Helen !
was also an accomplished painter and writer, whose oil paintings and artistic gifts were treasured by friends and family alike.
She was preceded in death by her parents, Crokett and Zerna Brown; by her sisters, Lena Owen and Louise Hamilton; by her brothers, Frank and Bill Brown; and her son, Dick L. Clemmer.
Helen is survived by her husband, Dale Clemmer of Midland, TX; three sons: Ronnie D. Clemmer of Encino, CA. Terry L. Clemmer and his wife, Bonnie, of Midland. TX, Greg D. Clemmer and his wife, Kay, of Houston, TX; seven grandchildren: Shanna Palmer of Albuquerque, NM, Grantt C. Clemmer of Pawleys Island, SC, Matthew Clemmer of Santa Monica CA. Tyson and Travis Clemmer of Midland, TX, April Jones of Conroe, T X and Casey Clemmer of Houstion, TX; two brothers: John Brown of Iowa Park, TX and Gcne Brown of Munday, Texas.
Visitation was held at Ellis Funeral Home, Tuesday, May 17 2005 between the hours of 6:00 p.m and 9:00 p.m.
Funeral services were scheduled for 11:00 a.m. Wednesday May 18, 2005 at St. Luke's United Methodist Church with Reverend Richard Edwards officiating. Interment was immediately following at Resthaven Memorial Park. Arrangements are under the direction of Ellis Funeral Home, 801 Andrews Hwy. Midland, Texas (432) 683-5555.
Pallbearers included Tyson Clemmer, Travis Clemmer, Matt Clemmer, Grantt Clemmer, Casey Clemmer and Heath Jones. Memoria1s may be directed to Methodist Children's
·Home 1111 Herring Ave., Waco, Texas 76708 or to the Alzheimer's Foundation, Mission Square, 4400 N. Big River #C, Midland, Texas 79705.
Danny Clemmer
dlcict
Published in the Kitchener, Ont. - Record Mar 2, 2006
Minerva BAUMAN, (Mrs. Irvin B) - Passed away peacefully, on March 1, 2006, at her home at RR2, Kenilworth, in her 82nd year. She was the wife of the late Irvin B. Bauman (2005). Mother of George and Lucinda Bauman of RR2, Kenilworth, Ervin and Rhoda Bauman of RR2, Kenilworth, Edward and Laura Bauman of RR1, Holstein, Frank and Erma Bauman of RR2, Drayton, Ralph and Rita Bauman of RR1, Holstein, Marvin and Erla Bauman of RR5, Mount Forest, Connie Clemmer of RR5, Mount Forest, Roselyn and Mahlon Martin of RR1, Mount Forest, Bart and Mary Clemmer of RR5, Mount Forest, and Julieanne and Oscar Brubacher of RR5, Mount Forest. Also survived by her 62 grandchildren, four great-grandchildren and two brothers. Predeceased by her parents Manasseh and Judith Clemmer and one grandchild. Friends may call at Minerva's home RR2, Kenilworth today (Thursday) from 1-7:30 p.m. and on Friday from 1-6 p.m. A funeral service will be held at the family home Saturday, March 4, 2006 at 9 a.m. Then to!
Spring Creek Mennonite Meeting House for further services and burial in the adjoining cemetery.
Danny Clemmer
clemmer.org
Published in the Wichita Fall, Tx -Times -RecordNewsN; 2007-10-31
Lila Manley Clemmer, 85, a resident of Burkburnett for 56 years, died Sunday Oct. 28, 2007 of pneumonia.
The funeral service will be conducted at 1 p.m., Friday, Nov. 2, 2007, at the First Baptist Church of Burkburnett with the Rev. Lamoin Champ of Nocona, officiating. Interment will follow at the Burkburnett Cemetery under the direction of Owens & Brumley Funeral Home of Burkburnett.
Lila was born March 3, 1922 in Devol, Okla., to Wyatt Walton (W.W.) and Octavia Manley. She grew up on a homestead east of Devol. She married Lloyd Clemmer on March 23, 1947. They moved to Burkburnett in 1951. She devoted her life to being a loving mother, supportive wife, and kind and caring friend. She was a member of the First Baptist Church, TOPS, and Eastern Star.
Survivors include her children and their families: Ron, Lorraine, Ana, and new baby Clemmer of Littleton, Colorado, Margie of Aurora, Colorado, and Rick, Danielle, and Grayson of Malibu, California. Her family also includes her niece Carolyn (Susie) Manley and her children, her nephew Neil Manley and his family, her niece Barbara Adams and her family, and her sister-in-law Peggy Lee and her family. Her whole family was precious to her, but her grandkids, Grayson and Ana were the joy of her life.
Memorials may be made to First Baptist Church or Grace Ministries in Burkburnett.
Danny Clemmer
clemmer.org
John,
The book is " Palatine origins of some Pa. pioneers" self published
by Annette K. Burgert, Myerstown, Pa.
Pages 319-320 Schotter
Pages 187-188 Clemmer
This is a great resource.
Good hunting.
Len Clemmer
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: John Awald <j_awald(a)yahoo.com>
>
> Hi Len: Please send a copy of the reference to the entire list. This is great
> stuff ! John
>
> lenclemmer(a)bellsouth.net wrote: Jeff, Dorothy is correct, as per Annette K.
> Burgert's book on
immigrants from Friedelsheim to York county, Pa. Why a wife
> would be listed by her maiden name is something worth looking into.
> Does your dad have a copy of any of Burgert's books? I can send you
> a copy of this reference for your files if you'd like.
>
> Len Clemmmer
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
> From: JJ Klemmer
> >
> > Source: http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/pa/1743sa.htm
> >
> > The ongoing Palatine ship list project site now details the St. Andrew, a ship
> > that sailed by way of Cowes, England and landed in Philadelphia on 7 Oct 1743.
> > A family from Friedelsheim, Germany, headed by Valentin Schotter, age 45,
> > included Anna Margaretha Klemmer. Other household members who made the
> > voyage were named: Johann Henrich, Andreas, Maria Magdalena, Catharina,
> > Anna Rosina, Johann Jacob, and Anna Barbara.
> >
> > Was Anna Margaretha Klemmer the wife of Valentin Schotter or just under his
> > protection during the voyage? If she was his wife, then why list her last
> name
> > as Klemmer? Perhaps she was a close relative (sister even) to the Johan
> Henrich
> > and Anreas Klemmer who made an earlier voyage on the Alexander and Anne in
> 1730.
> > This might explain why two sons in the Schotter household are also named
> Johann
> > Henrich and Andreas. A different Johann Henrich Schotter, age 22, is also
> > documented on the passenger list.
> >
> > Can any member of this list provide insight?
> >
> > Jeff Clemmer
> >
> >
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Jeff, Dorothy is correct, as per Annette K. Burgert's book on
immigrants from Friedelsheim to York county, Pa. Why a wife
would be listed by her maiden name is something worth looking into.
Does your dad have a copy of any of Burgert's books? I can send you
a copy of this reference for your files if you'd like.
Len Clemmmer
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: JJ Klemmer <clemmerkin(a)yahoo.com>
>
> Source: http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/pa/1743sa.htm
>
> The ongoing Palatine ship list project site now details the St. Andrew, a ship
> that sailed by way of Cowes, England and landed in Philadelphia on 7 Oct 1743.
> A family from Friedelsheim, Germany, headed by Valentin Schotter, age 45,
> included Anna Margaretha Klemmer. Other household members who made the
> voyage were named: Johann Henrich, Andreas, Maria Magdalena, Catharina,
> Anna Rosina, Johann Jacob, and Anna Barbara.
>
> Was Anna Margaretha Klemmer the wife of Valentin Schotter or just under his
> protection during the voyage? If she was his wife, then why list her last name
> as Klemmer? Perhaps she was a close relative (sister even) to the Johan Henrich
> and Anreas Klemmer who made an earlier voyage on the Alexander and Anne in 1730.
> This might explain why two sons in the Schotter household are also named Johann
> Henrich and Andreas. A different Johann Henrich Schotter, age 22, is also
> documented on the passenger list.
>
> Can any member of this list provide insight?
>
> Jeff Clemmer
>
>
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i have seen where johan heinrich was md to anna catharaina daughnier
shirley
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Hans Jacob married Anna Hediger. Issue all born in Affoltern
Zurich, Swit.
1. Anna, b. 1605
2. Marianna, b. 1608 (twin)
3 Jacob, b. 1608 (twin)
4. Heinrich, b. 20 Aug 1615, married Barbara Urmi Apr. 1635.
5. Hans Jacob, b. 9 Dec 1619
6. Elsbeth, b. 16 Apr 1621
Third Generation:
Heinrich Klimmer and Barbara Urmi - Issue all born in Affoltern.
Zurich Swit.
1. Jacob, b. 27 Oct. 1639
2. Hans, b 19 Nov 1640
3. Hans Caspar, b 19 Aug 1646 married Catherina Freegin 12 Nov 1672
4. Elsbetha
5. Veronica, b. 12 May 1650
6. Hans Jacob, b. 16 Aug 1652 (twin) married Anna Catherine Pfaffman
17 Sep 1678
in Friedelsheim Pfalz Germany. Died 3 Oct 1728
7. Felix (twin) b.iedelsheim Pfalz Germany
1. Johann Heinrich, b 13 Jun 1688, Reformed Church sponsors/Johann
Wingert & Anna. Married another Ann Catherine??? 16 Sep
1710 in Alsheim. D. 1791
in PA. Buried Franconia Mennonite Cemetery.
Fifth Generation:
1. Johan Heinrich married Anna Maria Beckels
Johann Henrick Klemmer, son of Jacob and Anne Catharinia was
christened in the Reformed Church of Friedelsheim, June 13, 1688.
This is 12 years before the recorded date of his birth on
his tombstone, in
the Franconia Meetinghouse Cemetery, (1700).
Jacob, his father had immigrated to the Palatinate area of
Germany from Zurich, Switzerland under the name of Hans Jacob
Klimmer. He married one of Hans Jakob Pfaffmann's daughters on the
17th of September 1678, in Friedelsheim.
Henrick married Catherina Davernier, widow of Michael
Davernier on 16 September 1710. They had a son, Johann Ludwig
Klemmer, January 24, 1720.
Johann Ludwig married Marie Elisabeth Bokel, Jan 24, 1742.
The Mechenheim church registry refers to Johann Ludwig as "legitimate
son of Johann Henrick Klemmer - former inhabitant of Gronau - then of
Philadelphia."
Henrick Klemmer sailed for the new land on the "Alexander
and Anne," on board
was Johann Andreas Klemmer. Various stories abound about the
relationship of the two men. No positive relationship has been
identified. Whether Henrick sailed with his wife or whether she
stayed in Germany with their ten year old son, Ludwig is not known.
The ship sailed from Rotterdam, Holland to Cowes, England
and landed in Philadelphia, September 5, 1730. Henrick could not sign
his name, rather he made his mark,I-H K, the British customs official
noted the name "Clemmer." Johann signed his name "Klemmer." In all
42 names of German immigrants are listed. Women and children were not
listed. Of the 147 passengers one was Hans Jacob Oberholtz, a name we
will hear of later. William Clymer was the ship master. Clymer in
many cases is an anglicized version of the German name
"Klemmer."
Ludwig Klemmer sailed to America on the Ship Neptune
September 24, 1757 with
his wife Marie.
A Johann Andres Klemmer returned to Germany and died in
Friedelsheim in 1757.
Most immigrants came to America as indentured "servants,"
with seven years
service required to pay for passage. So, there are no records of
Henry Clemmer's activities until eight years after his arrival, then
we learn Henry is in Franconia Township, Philadelphia County, now
Montgomery County.
CHRISTIAN 1697 - 1759
The most complete source of information on this ancestor
states that, the Clymer family
" was brought to this country by two brothers, one of whom was
Christian Clymer, or Klemmer. He was born In1697 In Germany and
is thought to have emigrated to America rica prior to 1730. He
settled in what Is now Milford Township and In 1734 his name
appeared on the record as a Petitioner to divide the township. His
wife was Barbara and they were the parents of seven sons and five
daughters.
Christian Clymer died in 1759 and some of his descendants
are yet living on land which he settled. His wife passed away January
14, 1776.
Most of the details of this account', which was published In 1905,
have been born out by further researched. The Pennsylvania Archives
lists Chrisian Klimmer of Bucks County as among those "divers
Protestant who immigrated between 1700 and 1718.2 This wouldPlace him
among the very earliest settlers of the Swamp area.The names of
Christian Clemmer and John
Jacob of Richland Township appear on many petitions In the 1730 s.3
On June 29, 17 41, Christian Clemmer of Lower Milford Township right
315 acres of land In Rockhill Twp. along the northeast a branch of
the Perkiomen Creek. (Bucks DB 23, 238). This street on the south
side of Sellersville remained In the family for at least three
generations, and its ownership determined the name of the present day
Clymer Ave. In 1928 parts of it were divided into building lots-
(Bucks OC 825). The are was once known as Clymersville but
has since been absorbed by residential Sellersville.
Christian died Intestate In 1759 and the appropriate documents filed
at Philadelphia (Phila. Administrations, Nov. 12,1759). These name
his widow, Barbara. and. mention the existeancw of eleven children.
including a Valentine Cleymer who eviuently died soon thereafter. On
4/3/1761 the widow and nine sons and daughters sold their shares in
the Rockhill tract
to the eldest son, Martin, This deed lists the existing children:
Christian Clymer of Springfield m. Catharina
Jacob m. Esther d. 1801
John d.1807
Henry d.1807
Magdalena m. Peter Mayer
Anna m. John Barkey
Elizabeth m. Conrad Keill
Easter
Catharina m. Isaac Rinker
Martin of Rockhill Twp., Bucks Co. (Bucks DB 22.206)
A farm house built In 1728 near the present day East Swamp Mennonite
Church (see Map) Is identified by local tradition as the Clymer
homestead. It was owned by the Clymer family well into the 20th
century and is probably the place referred to by Davis when he said
that Christian's land was still occupied by the Clymer family .
In 1853 Samuel was chosen by.lot to become an assistantminister at
Hereford as was the Mennonite custom. He succeeded Ephriam Hunsberger
who had moved to Ohio. Samuel may have been farming somewhere else at
the time for on 4/5/1854, Peter Yoder of Hereford Twp. conveyed land
"to Samuel G. Clemmer of Lower Milford Twp., Lehigh Co. and minister
of the gospel." Samuel paid $9,000 for 123 acres adjoining land of
Rev. Christian Clemmer (Berks DB 61,524). Rev. Christian had built a
house near that of his father, George.
Meanwhile, in 1865, the First Mennonite Church of Philadelphia had
been founded and; In 1868, the congregation needed a minister. Samuel
was called to be, reportedly, their first paid minister and he began
his duties on 5/5/1868. Four days previously, he sold his 123 acres
In Hereford Twp. to Nathan Hertzog of Lower Macungie Twp.. Lehigh Co.
for $12,394 (Berks DB 93,15). While In Phila., he lived at 2209
Franklin St. His church, at Diamond and Reese Sts.(near Fifth) is, as
of 1970, still standing.
"The pastorate of Brother Clemmer was crowned with success; but in
less than two years the Lord saw fit to call him to his eternal home.
Samuel reoortedly died of typhoid fever. Pastor A.B. Shelly of
Milford Square replaced him. Samuel is buried with his wife at
Hereford Church.
?
The First Mennonite Church of Philadelphia. Diamond and
Reese Sts
JUDITH CLEMMER must have been a remarkable women. After the
death
of her husband she remained in Philadelphia at the family home, 2252
N 7th Street.
She is listed in the Philadlphia Directory as “ widow of Rev Samuel
G. Clemmer
“ and her husband’s occupation was a ” Dry Goods Sales “. Judith
had no formal schooling, she was 42 when Samuel died. She raised four
distinguished Children:
Andrew George 12/11/1852, 10/5/1914 m. Mary Emily Miller. Paino and
Organ manufacturer
Catherine Ann-1/30/1854, 9/11/1944 m. Rev. Albert Funk, d.
11/3/1927, pastor of the First Mennonite Church, Phila.,1881 and from
1890 - 1915. Gen. Secretary of the Chrlstian and Missonary Alliance,
New York City; both are buried at Hereford Church.
Daughter - stillborn 7/19/1857; buried at Hereford Church..
Sarah - 7/30/1858 - 12/3/1876; buried at Hereford Church
Jonas G. - 3/01/1860 - 10/27/1935 m. Martha F. Smith - 1864-1947;
Drug salesman In Phila. He buried at Hatboro
Cemetary-
Joel G. - 8/9/1864 - 11/14/1931, accountant and Treasurer of
Lanston Metal works.
It is interesting to note that all of Judith and Sam’s children
before Sam was called to and moved to Philadelphia lived on the
family farm
On Nov 6, 2007, at 12:26 PM, DCreely103(a)aol.com wrote:
> Thanks for the immigration information. Anna Margretha Clemmer was
> the wife
> of Valentine Schotter, b. Lochen, Germany. m. 17 May 1719. Anna
> Margretha's
> father was Hans Jacob Klemmer, b. 15 Aug 1562 b. Affoltern am Alb
> der Sweiz,
> Her mother was Anna Catharina Pfaffman b. Pfalz, Germany, daughter
> of Hans
> Jacob Pfaffman. Children Johan Heinrich, b 1720, Maria Magdalena
> b. 1721,
> Cathrina b. 1724, Anna Rosina b 1727, Andreas b. 1730, Johan Jacob
> b 1733, Anna
> Barbara b 1735, Mathew b 1745, and not listed on ship's list. Anna
> Catherina
> Pfaffman died in 1742, and her husband, Hans Jacob Klemmer died
> earlier. Dorothy
> Creely
>
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Hans Jacob married Anna Hediger. Issue all born in Affoltern
Zurich, Swit.
1. Anna, b. 1605
2. Marianna, b. 1608 (twin)
3 Jacob, b. 1608 (twin)
4. Heinrich, b. 20 Aug 1615, married Barbara Urmi Apr. 1635.
5. Hans Jacob, b. 9 Dec 1619
6. Elsbeth, b. 16 Apr 1621
Third Generation:
Heinrich Klimmer and Barbara Urmi - Issue all born in Affoltern.
Zurich Swit.
1. Jacob, b. 27 Oct. 1639
2. Hans, b 19 Nov 1640
3. Hans Caspar, b 19 Aug 1646 married Catherina Freegin 12 Nov 1672
4. Elsbetha
5. Veronica, b. 12 May 1650
6. Hans Jacob, b. 16 Aug 1652 (twin) married Anna Catherine Pfaffman
17 Sep 1678
in Friedelsheim Pfalz Germany. Died 3 Oct 1728
7. Felix (twin) b.iedelsheim Pfalz Germany
1. Johann Heinrich, b 13 Jun 1688, Reformed Church sponsors/Johann
Wingert & Anna. Married another Ann Catherine??? 16 Sep
1710 in Alsheim. D. 1791
in PA. Buried Franconia Mennonite Cemetery.
Fifth Generation:
1. Johan Heinrich married Anna Maria Beckels
On Nov 6, 2007, at 12:26 PM, DCreely103(a)aol.com wrote:
> Thanks for the immigration information. Anna Margretha Clemmer was
> the wife
> of Valentine Schotter, b. Lochen, Germany. m. 17 May 1719. Anna
> Margretha's
> father was Hans Jacob Klemmer, b. 15 Aug 1562 b. Affoltern am Alb
> der Sweiz,
> Her mother was Anna Catharina Pfaffman b. Pfalz, Germany, daughter
> of Hans
> Jacob Pfaffman. Children Johan Heinrich, b 1720, Maria Magdalena
> b. 1721,
> Cathrina b. 1724, Anna Rosina b 1727, Andreas b. 1730, Johan Jacob
> b 1733, Anna
> Barbara b 1735, Mathew b 1745, and not listed on ship's list. Anna
> Catherina
> Pfaffman died in 1742, and her husband, Hans Jacob Klemmer died
> earlier. Dorothy
> Creely
>
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Hi Len: Please send a copy of the reference to the entire list. This is great stuff ! John
lenclemmer(a)bellsouth.net wrote: Jeff, Dorothy is correct, as per Annette K. Burgert's book on
immigrants from Friedelsheim to York county, Pa. Why a wife
would be listed by her maiden name is something worth looking into.
Does your dad have a copy of any of Burgert's books? I can send you
a copy of this reference for your files if you'd like.
Len Clemmmer
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: JJ Klemmer
>
> Source: http://www.progenealogists.com/palproject/pa/1743sa.htm
>
> The ongoing Palatine ship list project site now details the St. Andrew, a ship
> that sailed by way of Cowes, England and landed in Philadelphia on 7 Oct 1743.
> A family from Friedelsheim, Germany, headed by Valentin Schotter, age 45,
> included Anna Margaretha Klemmer. Other household members who made the
> voyage were named: Johann Henrich, Andreas, Maria Magdalena, Catharina,
> Anna Rosina, Johann Jacob, and Anna Barbara.
>
> Was Anna Margaretha Klemmer the wife of Valentin Schotter or just under his
> protection during the voyage? If she was his wife, then why list her last name
> as Klemmer? Perhaps she was a close relative (sister even) to the Johan Henrich
> and Anreas Klemmer who made an earlier voyage on the Alexander and Anne in 1730.
> This might explain why two sons in the Schotter household are also named Johann
> Henrich and Andreas. A different Johann Henrich Schotter, age 22, is also
> documented on the passenger list.
>
> Can any member of this list provide insight?
>
> Jeff Clemmer
>
>
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Thanks for the immigration information. Anna Margretha Clemmer was the wife
of Valentine Schotter, b. Lochen, Germany. m. 17 May 1719. Anna Margretha's
father was Hans Jacob Klemmer, b. 15 Aug 1562 b. Affoltern am Alb der Sweiz,
Her mother was Anna Catharina Pfaffman b. Pfalz, Germany, daughter of Hans
Jacob Pfaffman. Children Johan Heinrich, b 1720, Maria Magdalena b. 1721,
Cathrina b. 1724, Anna Rosina b 1727, Andreas b. 1730, Johan Jacob b 1733, Anna
Barbara b 1735, Mathew b 1745, and not listed on ship's list. Anna Catherina
Pfaffman died in 1742, and her husband, Hans Jacob Klemmer died earlier. Dorothy
Creely
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Jeff,
Good discovery. It's most unlikely that Anna Margaretha Klemmer
and Valentin Schotter were married. She would have had the surname
Schotter.
However, there was probably a connection. Perhaps her sister had
been the wife of Valentin, had died, and Valentin wished to come to
America with his children and their aunt.
It would be helpful to learn if Valentin Schotter were from the
same area as the Clemmers. Also if he lived near them in Pennsylvania.
York County Church Records of the 18th century has this entry at
Strayers Lutheran Church:
Abrham Neff, and Catherine, daughter of Jacob Schodder, married December
27, 1768.
Schodder and Schotter are probably the same family. I believe
there were Neff and Clemmer connections.
Agnes
On Sun, 4 Nov 2007 06:11:11 -0800 (PST) JJ Klemmer <clemmerkin(a)yahoo.com>
writes:
>
> The ongoing Palatine ship list project site now details the St.
> Andrew, a ship that sailed by way of Cowes, England and landed in
> Philadelphia on 7 Oct 1743. A family from Friedelsheim, Germany,
> headed by Valentin Schotter, age 45, included Anna Margaretha
> Klemmer. Other household members who made the voyage were named:
> Johann Henrich, Andreas, Maria Magdalena, Catharina, Anna Rosina,
> Johann Jacob, and Anna Barbara.
>
> Was Anna Margaretha Klemmer the wife of Valentin Schotter or just
> under his protection during the voyage? If she was his wife, then
> why list her last name as Klemmer? Perhaps she was a close relative
> (sister even) to the Johan Henrich and Anreas Klemmer who made an
> earlier voyage on the Alexander and Anne in 1730. This might
> explain why two sons in the Schotter household are also named Johann
> Henrich and Andreas. A different Johann Henrich Schotter, age 22,
> is also documented on the passenger list.
>
> Can any member of this list provide insight?
>
> Jeff Clemmer
My Steele's did not arrive in the US until 1846 and are in
Philadelphia ever since.
On Oct 13, 2007, at 8:39 PM, Hal McCawley wrote:
> You betcha, & hello to Lee.
>
> Best,
> Hal McCawley 4178 Pindar Way, Oceanside, CA 92056 760.941.4716
> <HalMac(a)Cox.net>
>
>
>
> Descendants of James Harvey Steele
>
>
>
>
> Generation No. 1
>
>
> 1. JAMES HARVEY1 STEELE was born 07 Jul 1810 in Greenbrier, VA, and
> died 06
> Nov 1859 in Edgar, IL. He married CATHERINE WILSON 03 Jul 1834,
> daughter of
> JOHN WILSON and BARBARA TUCKWILLER. She was born 19 Apr 1815 in
> Greenbrier,
> VA, and died 09 May 1847.
>
> More About JAMES STEELE and CATHERINE WILSON:
>
> Marriage: 03 Jul 1834
>
>
> Child of JAMES STEELE and CATHERINE WILSON is:
>
> i. BARBARA JANE2 STEELE, b. 04 Feb 1836, Greenbrier, VA; d. 14 May
> 1923,
> Carlyle, Allen, KS; m. JAMES WILLIAM CHRISTIAN, 14 Feb 1856,
> Grandview,
> Edgar, IL; b. 30 May 1828, Stanton, Augusta, VA; d. 14 Mar 1888,
> Carlyle,
> Allen, KS.
>
> More About JAMES CHRISTIAN and BARBARA STEELE:
>
> Marriage: 14 Feb 1856, Grandview, Edgar, IL
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roland Young" <skepglen(a)ixp.net>
> To: "Hal McCawley" <HalMac(a)Cox.net>
> Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 3:51 PM
> Subject: Fw: [CLEMMER] Of interest
>
>
>> Hal can you give Leon our Steele's. We may have a match with my
>> DNA. That
>> Delo which is a Steele and a two gen. match from my DNA.
>> Rol
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Leon Clemmer" <leonclem(a)comcast.net>
>> To: <clemmer(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 09, 2007 7:20 AM
>> Subject: Re: [CLEMMER] Of interest
>>
>>
>>> so what steele ? mine is william to joseph to maizie to me.
>>> Philadelphia ``1846 to 2007
>>> On Oct 8, 2007, at 11:28 PM, Roland Young wrote:
>>>
>>>> I did learn that I had one 2 gen. from me but he was a Steele. It
>>>> may still
>>>> be a good one www.lamont-young.com
>>>> Roland Young
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Leon Clemmer" <leonclem(a)comcast.net>
>>>> To: <clemmer(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, October 08, 2007 6:24 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [CLEMMER] Of interest
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> SO, WHAT DID YOU LEARN ?
>>>>> On Oct 8, 2007, at 8:31 PM, Roland Young wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I have seen that. I had my DNA done.
>>>>>> Roland Young
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Danny Clemmer" <dlcict(a)sbcglobal.net>
>>>>>> To: "clemmer-l" <clemmer-l(a)rootsweb.com>
>>>>>> Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2007 9:09 AM
>>>>>> Subject: [CLEMMER] Of interest
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I though this would be of interest to the group. It was
>>>>>>> posted to
>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>> list I monitor.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "On Sunday evening (7 October) " 60 Minutes" on CBS will have a
>>>>>>> segment
>>>>>>> by
>>>>>>> Leslie Stahl about genetic genealogy, and the uses of DNA in
>>>>>>> genealogy."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Danny Clemmer
>>>>>>> clemmer.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>
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