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Old First German Reformed Church. ... RACE ST , 145-163 N 04TH
ST,110-140 N ORIANNA ST
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-
8&q=Philadelphia+German+Reformed+Church+in+Philadelphia,&spell=1
All this is from "Google" search page and the URL above
Leon Clemmer, Architect
324 Chestnut Lane
Ambler,PA. 19002
E-Mail leonclem(a)comcast.net
Published in the Charlotte, NC - Observer February 17, 2005
Helen Robinson Clemmer
Mrs. Clemmer, 81, of Charlotte, passed away on February 15, 2005. She
was predeceased by her husband, Lander Ray Clemmer.
Helen is survived by two sons, Greg Clemmer and wife Becky of
Charlotte, and Phil Clemmer and wife Cindy of Fountain Inn, SC;
grandchildren, Greg and wife Brandy, Ashley and Rebecca; and
great-grandson Gregory Wendell.
A Graveside Service will be held on Friday, February 18, 2005 at
11:00 a.m. at Sharon Memorial Park. The family will receive friends
from 7:00-8:00 p.m. Thursday at Harry and Bryant Company, 500
Providence Rd., Charlotte.
Danny Clemmer
Clemmer.org
I would like to ask Leon Clemmer, architect from the
Philadelphia area this. Where is the location of the
Philadelphia German Refomed Church in Philadelphia,
Pennsylvania.? I understand that one of my kinsman,
Johan Andreas Klemmer was buried in the churchyard on
December 23, 1769 at the age of 58. He was the
legitimate son of Johan Heinrich Klemmer and Anna
Katerine Sauter KLemmer from Friedlesheim, Germany
before they came to Philadelphia with their son, Johan
Andreas on the Alexander and Ann in 1730.
I would appreciate any information that you could
give me about this.
Yours sincerely,
John Klemmer
jandreask(a)yahoo.com
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The Bakers of Brownsville, PA have no connection to the Baker of Springhill
Twp.
----- Original Message -----
From: <JJCMOtey(a)aol.com>
To: <CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Tidbit
> In a message dated 2/27/2005 10:30:50 AM Central Standard Time,
> ccdethro(a)aristotle.net writes:
> Gordon, my grandfather made mention of Clemmer/Baker marriages. I haven't
> come across any.
> Do you know anything about this?
> I dont know if Gordon got in contact with you, but Baker is a very common
> name in the SW part of PA. My grandfather married a Baker and there were
also
> Bakers in Brownsville (but havent found a connection)
>
> I do have this:
>
> ................................ 7 Mabel Clemmer b: Abt. 1908 d:
December
> 04, 1965
> ....................................... +UNKNOWN West
> ................................ *2nd Husband of Mabel Clemmer:
> ....................................... +Wm O. Baker b: Jun 18, 1898 m:
Abt.
> 1926 d: Mar 24, 1978
>
> Mabel is the d/o Jasper Newton Clemmer and Nora May Hayden. Jasper would
be
> my 2nd great grandfather.
>
> Christina
>
>
> ==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
> A source of many Clemmers;
> http://www.midcoast.com/~davisw/cl_0017.html"
>
Thanks Christina.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Baker" <gcbaker(a)starpower.net>
To: <CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 3:26 PM
Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Tidbit
> The Bakers of Brownsville, PA have no connection to the Baker of
> Springhill
> Twp.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JJCMOtey(a)aol.com>
> To: <CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 2:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Tidbit
>
>
>> In a message dated 2/27/2005 10:30:50 AM Central Standard Time,
>> ccdethro(a)aristotle.net writes:
>> Gordon, my grandfather made mention of Clemmer/Baker marriages. I haven't
>> come across any.
>> Do you know anything about this?
>> I dont know if Gordon got in contact with you, but Baker is a very common
>> name in the SW part of PA. My grandfather married a Baker and there were
> also
>> Bakers in Brownsville (but havent found a connection)
>>
>> I do have this:
>>
>> ................................ 7 Mabel Clemmer b: Abt. 1908 d:
> December
>> 04, 1965
>> ....................................... +UNKNOWN West
>> ................................ *2nd Husband of Mabel Clemmer:
>> ....................................... +Wm O. Baker b: Jun 18, 1898 m:
> Abt.
>> 1926 d: Mar 24, 1978
>>
>> Mabel is the d/o Jasper Newton Clemmer and Nora May Hayden. Jasper would
> be
>> my 2nd great grandfather.
>>
>> Christina
>>
>>
>> ==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
>> A source of many Clemmers;
>> http://www.midcoast.com/~davisw/cl_0017.html"
>>
>
>
> ==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
> A great Klemmer history page;
> http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/4340/
>
>
William Preston Detherow was born in Laclede Co. MO 1873. Lived in Arkansas
at his death in 1960.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Baker" <gcbaker(a)starpower.net>
To: <CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Tidbit
> Who was your grandfather and where did he live. The only marriage I have
> a
> record of is between Mabel Clemmer and William Baker (1898-1978) of
> Springhill Twp., Fayette Co., PA.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Claude C. Detherow" <ccdethro(a)aristotle.net>
> To: <CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 11:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Tidbit
>
>
>> Gordon, my grandfather made mention of Clemmer/Baker marriages. I haven't
>> come across any.
>> Do you know anything about this?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gordon Baker" <gcbaker(a)starpower.net>
>> To: <CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 6:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Tidbit
>>
>>
>> > She was married to M. Everett Clemmer of Smithfield, PA.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: <JJCMOtey(a)aol.com>
>> > To: <CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 1:30 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Tidbit
>> >
>> >
>> >> In a message dated 2/25/2005 6:05:25 AM Central Standard Time,
>> >> dlcict(a)sbcglobal.net writes:
>> >> Source: PAGREENE-L(a)rootsweb.com
>> >> From: LNMallett(a)aol.com
>> >> Subject: Smith obit's C's
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> Surnames: Smith
>> >> Classification: Query
>> >>
>> >> Message Board URL:
>> >>
>> >> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TaB.2ACE/7742
>> >>
>> >> Message Board Post:
>> >>
>> >> . . .
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mrs. Catherine Milliken Smith widow of Stockton Smith, deceased, died
>> >> at her home in Jefferson, Friday, October 11, aged 84 years, of
>> >> infirmities incident to old age. Mrs. Smith was a daughter of John and
>> >> Mary Campbell Milliken, who were pioneer settlers in Greene County,
>> >> coming here in 1800 from eastern Pennsylvania. Her grandfather, Thomas
>> >> Milliken, was a veteran of the Revolutionary war. Mrs. Smith was born
>> >> near Jefferson, August 28, 1834. She was one of a family of twelve
>> >> children. She was a life-long member of the Baptist Church and was
>> >> most highly esteemed. On November 30, 1854 she was united in marriage
>> >> with Stockton Smith whose death occurred January 25, 1876. Three
>> >> children survive, Mrs. Charles Filby and Miss Flora Smith of
>> >> Jefferson, and Mrs. M. E. Clemmer of Smithfield Pa. One brother,
>> >> Thomas Milliken of Valley Junction, Iowa, also survives. The funeral
>> >> services were held Sunday afternoon, conducted by the Rev Brush.
>> >> Interment in the Smith Cemetery.
>> >> I know this line has to connect to mine, but cant figure out who Mrs.
> M.
>> > E.
>> >> Clemmer is. I have some Millikens married into the Baker line, but not
>> > Clemmer.
>> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> >> Christina
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
>> >> Is your ancestor's obituary online? Go to http://clemmer.org to find
>> >> out.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > ==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
>> > Has your ancestor been submitted by another member? Check to make sure
> at
>> > http://clemmer.org
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
>> Has your ancestor been submitted by another member? Check to make sure
>> at
> http://clemmer.org
>>
>
>
> ==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
> Post a query to
> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Clemmer. You might
> snag a nonmember.
>
>
My grandfather was William Preston Detherow, son of David Miller Detherow.
David's parents were Jonathan Detherow & Louisa Clemmer Detherow.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Baker" <gcbaker(a)starpower.net>
To: <CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 3:22 PM
Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Tidbit
> Who was your grandfather and where did he live. The only marriage I have
> a
> record of is between Mabel Clemmer and William Baker (1898-1978) of
> Springhill Twp., Fayette Co., PA.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Claude C. Detherow" <ccdethro(a)aristotle.net>
> To: <CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2005 11:30 AM
> Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Tidbit
>
>
>> Gordon, my grandfather made mention of Clemmer/Baker marriages. I haven't
>> come across any.
>> Do you know anything about this?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Gordon Baker" <gcbaker(a)starpower.net>
>> To: <CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 6:29 PM
>> Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Tidbit
>>
>>
>> > She was married to M. Everett Clemmer of Smithfield, PA.
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: <JJCMOtey(a)aol.com>
>> > To: <CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> > Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 1:30 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Tidbit
>> >
>> >
>> >> In a message dated 2/25/2005 6:05:25 AM Central Standard Time,
>> >> dlcict(a)sbcglobal.net writes:
>> >> Source: PAGREENE-L(a)rootsweb.com
>> >> From: LNMallett(a)aol.com
>> >> Subject: Smith obit's C's
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
>> >>
>> >> Surnames: Smith
>> >> Classification: Query
>> >>
>> >> Message Board URL:
>> >>
>> >> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TaB.2ACE/7742
>> >>
>> >> Message Board Post:
>> >>
>> >> . . .
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Mrs. Catherine Milliken Smith widow of Stockton Smith, deceased, died
>> >> at her home in Jefferson, Friday, October 11, aged 84 years, of
>> >> infirmities incident to old age. Mrs. Smith was a daughter of John and
>> >> Mary Campbell Milliken, who were pioneer settlers in Greene County,
>> >> coming here in 1800 from eastern Pennsylvania. Her grandfather, Thomas
>> >> Milliken, was a veteran of the Revolutionary war. Mrs. Smith was born
>> >> near Jefferson, August 28, 1834. She was one of a family of twelve
>> >> children. She was a life-long member of the Baptist Church and was
>> >> most highly esteemed. On November 30, 1854 she was united in marriage
>> >> with Stockton Smith whose death occurred January 25, 1876. Three
>> >> children survive, Mrs. Charles Filby and Miss Flora Smith of
>> >> Jefferson, and Mrs. M. E. Clemmer of Smithfield Pa. One brother,
>> >> Thomas Milliken of Valley Junction, Iowa, also survives. The funeral
>> >> services were held Sunday afternoon, conducted by the Rev Brush.
>> >> Interment in the Smith Cemetery.
>> >> I know this line has to connect to mine, but cant figure out who Mrs.
> M.
>> > E.
>> >> Clemmer is. I have some Millikens married into the Baker line, but not
>> > Clemmer.
>> >> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> >> Christina
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
>> >> Is your ancestor's obituary online? Go to http://clemmer.org to find
>> >> out.
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>> > ==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
>> > Has your ancestor been submitted by another member? Check to make sure
> at
>> > http://clemmer.org
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>> ==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
>> Has your ancestor been submitted by another member? Check to make sure
>> at
> http://clemmer.org
>>
>
>
> ==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
> Post a query to
> http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Clemmer. You might
> snag a nonmember.
>
>
In a message dated 2/27/2005 10:30:50 AM Central Standard Time,
ccdethro(a)aristotle.net writes:
Gordon, my grandfather made mention of Clemmer/Baker marriages. I haven't
come across any.
Do you know anything about this?
I dont know if Gordon got in contact with you, but Baker is a very common
name in the SW part of PA. My grandfather married a Baker and there were also
Bakers in Brownsville (but havent found a connection)
I do have this:
................................ 7 Mabel Clemmer b: Abt. 1908 d: December
04, 1965
....................................... +UNKNOWN West
................................ *2nd Husband of Mabel Clemmer:
....................................... +Wm O. Baker b: Jun 18, 1898 m: Abt.
1926 d: Mar 24, 1978
Mabel is the d/o Jasper Newton Clemmer and Nora May Hayden. Jasper would be
my 2nd great grandfather.
Christina
Gordon, my grandfather made mention of Clemmer/Baker marriages. I haven't
come across any.
Do you know anything about this?
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gordon Baker" <gcbaker(a)starpower.net>
To: <CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Tidbit
> She was married to M. Everett Clemmer of Smithfield, PA.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <JJCMOtey(a)aol.com>
> To: <CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 1:30 PM
> Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Tidbit
>
>
>> In a message dated 2/25/2005 6:05:25 AM Central Standard Time,
>> dlcict(a)sbcglobal.net writes:
>> Source: PAGREENE-L(a)rootsweb.com
>> From: LNMallett(a)aol.com
>> Subject: Smith obit's C's
>>
>>
>> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
>>
>> Surnames: Smith
>> Classification: Query
>>
>> Message Board URL:
>>
>> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TaB.2ACE/7742
>>
>> Message Board Post:
>>
>> . . .
>>
>>
>> Mrs. Catherine Milliken Smith widow of Stockton Smith, deceased, died
>> at her home in Jefferson, Friday, October 11, aged 84 years, of
>> infirmities incident to old age. Mrs. Smith was a daughter of John and
>> Mary Campbell Milliken, who were pioneer settlers in Greene County,
>> coming here in 1800 from eastern Pennsylvania. Her grandfather, Thomas
>> Milliken, was a veteran of the Revolutionary war. Mrs. Smith was born
>> near Jefferson, August 28, 1834. She was one of a family of twelve
>> children. She was a life-long member of the Baptist Church and was
>> most highly esteemed. On November 30, 1854 she was united in marriage
>> with Stockton Smith whose death occurred January 25, 1876. Three
>> children survive, Mrs. Charles Filby and Miss Flora Smith of
>> Jefferson, and Mrs. M. E. Clemmer of Smithfield Pa. One brother,
>> Thomas Milliken of Valley Junction, Iowa, also survives. The funeral
>> services were held Sunday afternoon, conducted by the Rev Brush.
>> Interment in the Smith Cemetery.
>> I know this line has to connect to mine, but cant figure out who Mrs. M.
> E.
>> Clemmer is. I have some Millikens married into the Baker line, but not
> Clemmer.
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> Christina
>>
>>
>> ==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
>> Is your ancestor's obituary online? Go to http://clemmer.org to find
>> out.
>>
>
>
> ==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
> Has your ancestor been submitted by another member? Check to make sure at
> http://clemmer.org
>
>
An interesting story. I knew part of it from my interest in the
Clemmer's of old. Aldorfer was indeed indentured to Clemmer. Lets not
argue about dates, the "original" Clemmer in the Franconia Cemetery is
buried with his wife, not the wife he left in Germany and it is said he
arrived in 1730 on the Aleander and Ann but later info has that Clemmer
landing in Philadelphia and heading south. My gang arrived in the
Franconia area in 1680 !
Leon Clemmer
I received the following query and I am passing it on to the list
hoping someone will have some more information. This is not a
subscriber so any response should include a CC to Bobbollink(a)aol.com.
I am trying to run down some possible family members. On your website
you list a Mary Clemmer bn 3/27/1806 of Winchester OH who married a
Samuel McClure who died 2/28/1879. I am interested in any information
you might have on this Samuel McClure and any children he and Mary may
have had; plus grandchildren if any. I am trying to backtrack my
grandfather Thomas Albert McClure to a Thomas Newton S. McClure to an
S.S. McClure listed on a 1860 Census for Adams County Ohio . I am not
sure if this S. S. McClure is my gggrandfather or not but it appears
he married a Mary bn in 1806/7 and I think it may have been a Mary
Clemmer. If you have a McClure line and if it ties into mine please
let me know what you have.
I have been searching for some kind of a connection for a long time.
Danny Clemmer
clemmer.org
Gary Anderson, a biology professor at the University of Southern
Mississippi, has recently transcribed an interesting selection from
Helen
Alderfer Stanley's long out of print, "The Alderfers of America:
History and
Genealogy, published in 1972 by Schlechters, Allentown, PA. Several
references to Hans Klemmer are made.
-Jeffrey Clemmer
----------------------------------
Frederick Alderfer, pioneer settler of Lower Salford Township, then in
Philadelphia, but now in Montgomery County, in the Province of
Pennsylvania,
the ancestor of the family of this record, was born in Steinsfurt,
Germany,
(the territory of the Lutheran Knights of Kraichgow, southeast of
Heidelberg) on the 18th day of May, 1715, and christened the following
day
May 19th in the Lutheran faith, a tradition that was handed down from
earliest memory among the descendants. His family Bible, believed to
have
later belonged to his son Joseph, has not been located.
Friedrich Altörfer as the name was then spelled, was the son of
Lienhart
Hans Altörfer who was born at Kloten, Switzerland, October 8, 1674,
and
(died at Steinsfurt, Germany, March 2, 1736, and his 2nd wife Anna
Barbara.
Apparently young Frederick Alderfer left his native village of
Steinsfurt
early in 1733, just before his eighteenth birthday and traveled down
the
Rhine River, as did hundreds of others that year. The religious and
political strife, the persecution and privation suffered throughout
Germany
and Switzerland from the time of the Reformation are too well known as
history to need repeating here. The Rhine was the great highway
through
Palatinate Germany and strong oarsmen rowed the river boats loaded
with
passengers to the seaports of Holland. Refugees from Switzerland and
the
Rhine Valley crowded the quays and jostled each other seeking
transportation
aboard a ship bound for William PennÕs Colony. We know that Frederick
Alderfer was one of those who went aboard a vessel at Rotterdam and
signed
passage papers for the English colonies.
At that period and down to the time of the American Revolution when
emigration was temporarily halted non-British immigrants who arrived
at
Philadelphia, regardless of where they came from, were called
Palatines
because so many came from the Palatine Province of the old German
Empire.
Because of this great influx of foreigners the Colonial authorities in
Philadelphia in 1727 directed that immigrants be registered and
subscribe to
the Oaths of Allegiance and Abjuration to King George and the
Proprietary
Government, although these rules and regulations were not always
adhered to
by ship captains and officials of the city.
Fortunately, the names and ages of the passengers on board the ship
Samuel
of London, Commanded by Captain Hugh Percy, were carefully listed.
Frederick
Alldörfer, aged 18 years, was among the Palatines on board the Samuel
which
arrived at the port of Philadelphia on August 17, 1733. He was one of
ninety
Palatines, who with their families, made in all two hundred and
ninety-one
persons, (90 men, aged 16 and upwards) on board ship. They had
embarked from
Rotterdam and received clearance from Deal, a port on the English
coast.
Because of an incomplete search of the immigration records by earlier
historians, it was supposed that the ancestor of this family arrived
at the
port of Philadelphia on the ship Samuel, August 11, 1732, and it is so
inscribed on the tombstone erected by his descendants in 1885 at
Salford
Mennonite Cemetery.
A later and more careful comparison of the immigration records shows
that
two men with the same name arrived at the same port, and on the same
ship,
with the same captain, one year apart. Frederick Altdörfer who arrived
in
1732 was listed as 25 years of age. He settled in the vicinity of
Lebanon
Township, then in Lancaster County, Pennsylvania, and left descendants
living in that area. Thus, two men named Frederick Alderfer, came to
America
and lived out their lives and left descendants unknown to each other
until
recent times.
The voyage across the Atlantic Ocean with even the best wind and
weather
usually lasted about seven or eight weeks, frequently much longer. It
was at
best a harrowing experience, often described as a time of utmost
misery, an
ordeal of terror and a true test of spiritual strength and physical
endurance. Many did not survive, especially the aged and young
children.
An account of the arrival of these passenger ships in the harbor of
Philadelphia is given by the Rev. Henry M. Muhlenburg who came to
Pennsylvania in 1742. "Before the ship is allowed to cast anchor at
the
harbor front, the passengers are all examined according to the law in
force,
by a physician, as to whether any contagious disease exists among
them.
Leaving the women and children aboard, the men are brought in row
boats to
the wharf, (possibly at the foot of "High" Market Street). From there,
they
are marched in procession up the hill to the Court House, at 2nd and
High
Street, where they took the Oath of Allegiance to the English King
(George
II). Afterwards, they were returned to the ship."
In order to finance the voyage people literally sold themselves into
service
by first signing a contract with the ship's captain whereby it was
agreed
that he would provide daily rations and transport to Philadelphia,
where,
upon arrival they would be consigned to a Philadelphia merchant.
The merchant paid the captain a set fee for each "freight" he carried
over
and delivered alive. Children under twelve went half-fare. The
"passage
now-pay later" plan required that passengers remain on board the ship
until
arrangements were completed and the contract signed.
Our ancestor, Friederich Alldörfer who arrived in 1733, signed his
name in
German, firmly and with something of a flourish, to the oaths of
abjuration
and allegiance at the courthouse in Philadelphia.
He was alone, a youth of eighteen years, with no funds to pay for his
passage. So he signed an indenture, i.e. a contract with Hans Klemer
(now
sp. Clemmer) of Lower Salford by which he bound himself to work for an
agreed number of years to redeem the debt for passage money paid by
Mr.
Clemmer. (It was assumed by Abraham Clemmer in "Ancestry of Wilson K.
Clemmer," the Perkiomen Region, x (April 1932, p 68-69), that this
Hans
Clemmer was the Hans (Andres) Klemmer who arrived at Philadelphia on
September 5, 1730 listed among the passengers of the ship Alexander
and Ann,
Captain William Clymer, from Rotterdam. Hans (John) Clemer's name
appears on
emigration lists A. B. and C., next to that of Henry Clemmer, pioneer
settler of Franconia, b 1700, d January 13, 1791, who arrived on the
same
ship, it was presumed that the two were brothers, but there is no
proof of
this. Henry Clemer on a number of occasions acted in the interest of
Hans
Clemer's family. However, the Philadelphia German Reformed church
records
note the burial of one Andreas Klemer, age 58, on December 23, 1769.
(As
cited in the Pennsylvania Genealogical Magazine. Re: Eighteenth
Century
Emigrants to America from Palatinate Parishes, by Friedrich Krubs,
1969).
There is nothing to indicate that he was the Hans Andres Klemer who
arrived
on Sept. 5, 1730, except the similarity in names.
On the 1734 tax list of Lower Salford, Hans Clemmer is rated on 100
acres of
land. This tract was previously surveyed and sold to him by an earlier
settler, Hans Reiff, and was to have been paid for by annual
installments
according to the usual custom. However, it seems that Hans Clemmer had
very
little money and died before he had paid Hans Reiff for the land. In
addition to the tract of 100 acres, Hans Clemmer obtained a warrant on
August 12, 1734, to have surveyed 56 acres adjacent on the southeast
to the
other tract. The survey was made October 26, 1734, but no return was
made to
the land office and Hans Clemmer never received title to the land. The
tract
of 56 acres was uncleared forest land still owned by the Penns.
It appears that Frederick Alderfer had served out his time when he
witnessed
the conveyance for a tract of 59 acres which Hans Reiff sold to
Christian
Allebach, on September 14, 1737.
In that same fall of 1737, Hans Clemmer, although apparently still a
young
man, died. On December 24, 1737, letters of administration were
granted to
Anna Clemer of County of Philadelphia, widow and relict of John Clemer
of
same place. Presumably, his brother (?) Henry Clemer of Franconia, and
her
father John Debtwalter (Detwiler), signed the bond. (Note: The year
was
wrongly entered as 1738, in Phila. Adm. Book D, 16, No.53. It should
read
1737 as it appears above.)
Anna, widow of Hans Clemmer was the daughter of pioneer settler Hans
(John)
Detwiler of Skippack and his wife Susanna. Hans Detwiler with his wife
and
children arrived sometime before 1725. He was naturalized in 1730 and
acquired a large tract of land in Skippack where his occupation was
both
farmer and weaver. It is presumed that he and his wife are buried at
Lower
Skippack Mennonite Cemetery. His will was probated June 26, 1761; his
daughter was called Anna Mary in her father's will, but she was known
as
Anna to her contemporaries.
Beside his widow Anna, Hans Clemmer left two small daughters named
Susanna
and Catharine Clemmer. The elder daughter, Susanna, was born November
14,
1732, and died March 28, 1750. The other daughter, Catharine, was born
July
4, 1734, and married Christian Hunsberger of Franconia. They were the
ancestors of many of the Hunsbergers of this region. The original
Hunsberger
farm was located on part of the site of the present borough of
Souderton.
Living in a clearing deep in the woods, in a small log house, facing
the
winter alone with her two small daughters was a serious matter for the
young
widow. So it came about that Anna Detwiler Clemmer married the 23 year
old
Frederick Alderfer early in 1738. Presumably, Frederick and Anna
Alderfer
lived in the log house erected by Hans Clemmer on the 100 acre tract
in
Salford where on the 3rd of January, 1739, Hans Reiff and Ann, his
wife,
executed a bargain and sale for the 100 acre tract. The amount of the
first
yearly payment was set at 5 shillings. Then on October 6, 1739,
Frederick
Alderfer obtained a patent for the 56 acre tract on the southeast,
paying
£8, 13s, 6p for it to the Penn Agents. No doubt Frederick and Anna
worked
hard during those first lean years and continued to pay Hans Reiff for
the
land. In 1750, eleven years later, the deed for the 100 acres was
acknowledged before Justice Rowland Evans by the signature witness
Robert
Jones of Worcester. The deeds were not recorded until November 13,
1786, a
period of 47 years. (Montgy. Co. D.B. #3, p 49.) The traditional site
of the
first homestead is pointed out as being close to the stream on a
slight rise
of ground below the present house, located on Landis road about a mile
east
of the village of Lederachville and now (1970) owned by Wellington C.
Alderfer.
The law of the Province of Pennsylvania, enacted in 1740, decreed that
all
foreign born inhabitants had to be naturalized in order to devise
their
lands to their descendants.
Frederick Alderfer was naturalized at a Supreme Court held in
Philadelphia
at the sessions of April 11, 12, 13, 1743. Those whose conscience
"scrupled"
to take an oath "affirmed." A large group from Lower Salford Township
attended this session, among whom were Valentine Kratz, John Clemens,
Jacob
Oberholtzer, Hans Reiff, Henry Rosenberger, and others whose names are
familiar to the area.
In 1738, Frederick Alderfer was listed as a member of the congregation
when
land was purchased for the Salford Mennonite Meetinghouse and school.
In
1752 he served with Valentine Kratz as first overseers of the poor of
Lower
Salford Township and in that year began the "township book" so-called
by
historian James Y. Heckler. This book was kept at the local tavern on
the
old road from North Wales to Sumneytown. and the township's business
was
entered in it for a period of 56 years, from 1752 to 1808.
On March 1, 1758, Frederick Alderfer was one of twenty-seven men who
bought
two acres and eighty two perches of land with building and
improvements in
the present village of Harleysville (where in later time Dr. Henry
Keeler
lived.) The lot was owned by this group of men for twenty-three years.
According to local tradition a building described as a large shed on
the
property was used for school purposes, and it is possible that the
school
teacher lived in the house and farmed the lot. However, this is merely
a
conjecture. On April 9, 1781, Frederick Alderfer and the 16 survivors
sold
the lot with buildings to Nicholas Schwenk whose daughter Magdalena
was the
wife of Andrew Campbell (Captain of the Lower Salford Militia) who
also kept
the local tavern which afterward became Harley's.
On February 1, 1762, Frederick Alderfer and Andrew Ziegler were
appointed by
Christopher Dock, the celebrated schoolmaster, as "arbitrators" over
his
will, which was entered for probate November 22, 1771, before Benjamin
Chew.
A copy of the will is in the Christopher Dock Mennonite Historical
Library,
Christopher Dock High School, Lansdale, Pa., and also was printed in
the
Bulletin of the Historical Society of Montgomery County Fall 1961, p.
42.
In 1764 Frederick Alderfer purchased a grist mill and 150 acres with
messuage and improvements from John Clemens. Thereafter he was termed
"miller" and subsequently assessed for this property until he sold it
to his
son John. It seems doubtful that Frederick ever lived at the mill, he
probably continued to live in the homestead where his wife Anna's
death
occured January 18, 1767, at five o'clock in the afternoon, aged 55
years.
In 1774 Frederick Alderfer was tax collector for Lower Salford.
1774 Assessment List Lower Salford
Frederick Alterfer
490 acres, Land and Dwelling 45 pounds clear yearly value
4 horses, 5 cows, 8 sheep 4.14 s
a grist mill 15 pounds
Total assessment 40.14 s and 8 p
Jacob Alderfer 1 horse, 5 cows, 4 sheep rated 2.10 s, 8 p
John Alderfer 1 horse, 5 cows, 4 sheep rated 2.10 s, 8 p
Abraham Alderfer, single
Joseph Alderfer, single
FREDERICH ALTERFER Collector
Original copy, Penna. Historical and Museum Comm., Dept. Public
Records,
Room 221, Edu. Bldg., Harrisburg, Pa.
In 1776 the tax list shows Frederick Alderfer assessed for 490 acres
of
land, a dwelling and gristmill, 4 horses, 5 cows, and 8 sheep. He had
purchased the additional land (in two tracts) May 26, 1772, from
George
Shambach and wife Sabilla, for £950. In that year (1776) he
contributed 40
days boarding and lodging to the poor of the township. However,
Frederick
Alderfer was in his sixty first year and the problems of the
Revolutionary
War were becoming more acute. On July 1, 1776, he divided his property
presumably among his four sons. He sold the homestead to his youngest
son
Joseph and apparently continued to reside there or near by for the
rest of
his life. He owned no property at the time of his death on November 7,
1801,
and did not leave a will. (No records on file at the courthouse).
The Centennial Celebration of Montgomery County in 1884 inspired new
interest in the area's past. About 1885, a tombstone honoring the
memory of
Frederick Alderfer and Anna, his wife, was erected by their
descendants at
Salford Mennonite cemetery.
The inscription reads: (In Memory of Frederick Alderfer born in the
palatinate- May 18, 1715. In his 18th year he migrated on the vessel
Samuel
to America and landed in Philadelphia August 11, 1732. As far as is
known,
he was the first and only one of the name of Alderfer who immigrated
to
America. He died November 17, 1801 Aged 86 y 5 m and 29 days. Anna,
wife of
Frederick, nee Detweiler, born 1712, died January 18, 1767, aged 55
years.)
*Note by Gary Anderson <gary.anderson(a)usm.edu> - This unfortunately
perpetuates the erroneous belief that the ancestor of this family
arrived in
1732.
Published in the Staunton, VA Newsleader -- 17 Oct
2004
Herman Rudolph Clemmer, 80, husband of Betty Lee
(Mynes) Clemmer, of 1129 Walker�s Creek Road,
Middlebrook, died 8:55 a.m. Saturday, October 16, 2004
at his residence.
Mr. Clemmer was born on February 16, 1924 in
Middlebrook, a son of the late Thomas Cyrus and Bessie
Mae (Clemmer) Clemmer.
Mr. Clemmer was a farmer and was retired as a Security
Officer with the DeJarnette�s Center. He was an
honorary member of the Middlebrook Fire Department, an
U.S. Navy Veteran and a member of the Redeemer
Evangelical Lutheran Church.
In addition to his wife of 55 years, family members
include two daughters, and a son-in-law; Lynda C. Hemp
of Middlebrook and Gail C. and Maynard Brown of
Staunton; three grandchildren, April L. Welsh, Betsy
G. Hemp and Michael D. Brown; four
great-grandchildren, Cherokee Hemp, Randi Leigh
Nuckoles, Austin and Lance Cross; special
step-grandson, Jimmy Hemp; beloved niece, Mrs. Judy
Bare and her husband Tom of Rockbridge Baths; and many
cousins and special friends.
Mr. Clemmer was preceded in death by a brother, W.
Floyd Clemmer and a sister-in-law, Velma (Mizer)
Clemmer.
A graveside service will be conducted at 11:00 a.m.
Tuesday, (October 19, 2004) in the Mt. Hermon Cemetery
by the Rev. JoAnn Bunn. Honorary pallbearers will be
Lacy Balser, Raymond, Junior and Jake Jarvis, Gene and
Rodney Sensabaugh, Stanley Norris, Lewis Manhart, Coy
Brooks, Russell Spradlin, Jimmy and Ronnie Hemp, Bill
Cason, Dr. Rob Marsh, Gary Bunn, Glenn Sensabaugh,
Basil Bosserman, Dennis Conner, Dennis Clemmer and
Bill Brubeck.
The family will receive friends this evening from 7
til 8:30 p.m. in the Henry Funeral Home and other
times at the residence. It is suggested those desiring
make memorial donations to the Redeemer Evangelical
Lutheran Church, C/O Mrs. Cindy Sensabaugh, 3005
Middlebrook Road, Staunton, Virginia 24401, or the AMC
Hospice of the Shenandoah, P.O. Box 215, Fishersville,
Virginia 22939.
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Published in the Staunton, VA Newsleader -- 9 Aug 2004
George Lewis Clemmer, 85, of Dayton, VA died Saturday,
August 7, 2004, at Bridgewater Home in Bridgewater, VA
following a long illness.
He was born on Wednesday, November 27, 1918, in
Swoope, VA, and was a son of the late Harry E. and
Carrie (Peck) Clemmer.
He was a graduate of Petersburg High School,
Petersburg, VA, and then received a Diesel Engineering
certificate in 1938 from Hemphill Diesel School in
Detroit, MI.
He worked for the Rural Electrification Authority of
Rockingham County from 1939 to 1945. In 1945, he
founded the Dayton Transport Corp., and operated it
with Carr P. Coffman until the business was sold to
Hahn Transportation in 1973. From 1974 until 1983 he
founded and led the program in Diesel Shop at Blue
Ridge Community College.
He was an active member of the Dayton Presbyterian
Church, and later Bridgewater Presbyterian Church,
where he served as a Deacon and an Elder. He was a
charter member of Dayton-Bridgewater Lions Club, where
he served as president on two occasions. He was a
member of the Board of Directors of The Planter Bank
of Bridgewater, predecessor of First Virginia Bank
Blue Ridge and now BB & T. He served as Chairman of
the board of directors from 1971 to 1980. He was a
member of board of directors of Bridgewater Home for
23 years. He served as a member of the Town Council of
Dayton, VA and the town�s Treasurer.
He was an avid collector of antique vehicles and steam
and gas equipment. He was a founder and active
supporter of the Bridgewater Steam and Gas Show. He
assisted in the organization of the Shenandoah Valley
Chapter of the Antique Trucks Historical Society, and
was an active member of the National Society.
On July 11, 1942, he was united in marriage to Mary
Marguerite (Latham) Clemmer, who preceded him in death
on March 20, 2002.
He is survived by three sons Thomas H. Clemmer, George
L. Clemmer, II, and Charles L. Clemmer. He is also
survived by seven grandchildren.
A funeral service will be conducted at 2:00 PM,
Wednesday, August 11, 2004 at the Lantz Chapel with
the Rev. John Oldman officiating. Burial will follow
in the Dayton Cemetery. The family will receive
friends at Lantz Chapel from 7-8:00 PM on Tuesday.
Memorial contributions may be given to the Dayton
Bridgewater Lions Club Sight Conservation, c/o Mary
Beth Schwab, Treasurer, 102 Oak Meadow Dr.,
Bridgewater, VA 22812, or the Bridgewater Fire
Department, 304 North Main Street, Bridgewater, VA
22812. Johnson Funeral Service, Bridgewater, is in
charge of arrangements.
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Chris,
I can assure you that the name "Klemmer" does not
equate to a shoemaker, as that German word is reserved
for "Schuhmacher". Ancestry.com provides three
definitions, all of which I have heard of in one form
or another at family reunions and via discussions with
Clemmer genealogists throughout the past thirty years.
Sincerely,
Jeffrey Clemmer
1. German: nickname from an inflected form of Middle
High German klem �narrow�, �tight�, �scarce�, or a
topographic name klemme �constriction�, the suffix -er
denoting an inhabitant (see Klem 1).
2. (in northern Germany) occupational name for someone
who worked with clay (i.e someone who applied the daub
infill on timber-framed houses), Middle High German
klemer.
3. in various German dialects the word (an agent
derivative of klemmen �to pinch, squeeze, or claw�)
denotes a bird of prey and hence an uncouth young
woman or a penny pincher (Tyrol).
URL source:
http://www.ancestry.com/search/SurnamePage.aspx?ln=Klemmer&fn=&sourcecode...
--- Chris Klemmer <klemmernh(a)hotmail.com> wrote:
OK..this may be total b-s...(due to the fact that my
father was always playing little jokes on me like
telling me false infomation and then laughing when I
got back home from school with my tail between my
legs) but here goes...I heard that Klemmer was German
for shoemaker. Like I said.. 75% sure this is
B-S..but...
-Chris
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She was married to M. Everett Clemmer of Smithfield, PA.
----- Original Message -----
From: <JJCMOtey(a)aol.com>
To: <CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 26, 2005 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Tidbit
> In a message dated 2/25/2005 6:05:25 AM Central Standard Time,
> dlcict(a)sbcglobal.net writes:
> Source: PAGREENE-L(a)rootsweb.com
> From: LNMallett(a)aol.com
> Subject: Smith obit's C's
>
>
> This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
>
> Surnames: Smith
> Classification: Query
>
> Message Board URL:
>
> http://boards.ancestry.com/mbexec/msg/rw/TaB.2ACE/7742
>
> Message Board Post:
>
> . . .
>
>
> Mrs. Catherine Milliken Smith widow of Stockton Smith, deceased, died
> at her home in Jefferson, Friday, October 11, aged 84 years, of
> infirmities incident to old age. Mrs. Smith was a daughter of John and
> Mary Campbell Milliken, who were pioneer settlers in Greene County,
> coming here in 1800 from eastern Pennsylvania. Her grandfather, Thomas
> Milliken, was a veteran of the Revolutionary war. Mrs. Smith was born
> near Jefferson, August 28, 1834. She was one of a family of twelve
> children. She was a life-long member of the Baptist Church and was
> most highly esteemed. On November 30, 1854 she was united in marriage
> with Stockton Smith whose death occurred January 25, 1876. Three
> children survive, Mrs. Charles Filby and Miss Flora Smith of
> Jefferson, and Mrs. M. E. Clemmer of Smithfield Pa. One brother,
> Thomas Milliken of Valley Junction, Iowa, also survives. The funeral
> services were held Sunday afternoon, conducted by the Rev Brush.
> Interment in the Smith Cemetery.
> I know this line has to connect to mine, but cant figure out who Mrs. M.
E.
> Clemmer is. I have some Millikens married into the Baker line, but not
Clemmer.
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Christina
>
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In a message dated 2/25/2005 6:05:25 AM Central Standard Time,
dlcict(a)sbcglobal.net writes:
Source: PAGREENE-L(a)rootsweb.com
From: LNMallett(a)aol.com
Subject: Smith obit's C's
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
Surnames: Smith
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
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Message Board Post:
. . .
Mrs. Catherine Milliken Smith widow of Stockton Smith, deceased, died
at her home in Jefferson, Friday, October 11, aged 84 years, of
infirmities incident to old age. Mrs. Smith was a daughter of John and
Mary Campbell Milliken, who were pioneer settlers in Greene County,
coming here in 1800 from eastern Pennsylvania. Her grandfather, Thomas
Milliken, was a veteran of the Revolutionary war. Mrs. Smith was born
near Jefferson, August 28, 1834. She was one of a family of twelve
children. She was a life-long member of the Baptist Church and was
most highly esteemed. On November 30, 1854 she was united in marriage
with Stockton Smith whose death occurred January 25, 1876. Three
children survive, Mrs. Charles Filby and Miss Flora Smith of
Jefferson, and Mrs. M. E. Clemmer of Smithfield Pa. One brother,
Thomas Milliken of Valley Junction, Iowa, also survives. The funeral
services were held Sunday afternoon, conducted by the Rev Brush.
Interment in the Smith Cemetery.
I know this line has to connect to mine, but cant figure out who Mrs. M. E.
Clemmer is. I have some Millikens married into the Baker line, but not Clemmer.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Christina
Found on another list:
Source: PAGREENE-L(a)rootsweb.com
From: LNMallett(a)aol.com
Subject: Smith obit's C's
This is a Message Board Post that is gatewayed to this mailing list.
Surnames: Smith
Classification: Query
Message Board URL:
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Message Board Post:
. . .
Mrs. Catherine Milliken Smith widow of Stockton Smith, deceased, died
at her home in Jefferson, Friday, October 11, aged 84 years, of
infirmities incident to old age. Mrs. Smith was a daughter of John and
Mary Campbell Milliken, who were pioneer settlers in Greene County,
coming here in 1800 from eastern Pennsylvania. Her grandfather, Thomas
Milliken, was a veteran of the Revolutionary war. Mrs. Smith was born
near Jefferson, August 28, 1834. She was one of a family of twelve
children. She was a life-long member of the Baptist Church and was
most highly esteemed. On November 30, 1854 she was united in marriage
with Stockton Smith whose death occurred January 25, 1876. Three
children survive, Mrs. Charles Filby and Miss Flora Smith of
Jefferson, and Mrs. M. E. Clemmer of Smithfield Pa. One brother,
Thomas Milliken of Valley Junction, Iowa, also survives. The funeral
services were held Sunday afternoon, conducted by the Rev Brush.
Interment in the Smith Cemetery.
. . .
In a message dated 2/16/2005 10:23:56 PM Mountain Standard Time,
JJCMOtey(a)aol.com writes:
Im sure if you did a google search for the book, you can find it a lot
cheaper than $360... are there actually people willing to pay that??? Whew.
Christina
I'd sell my copy for that amount.....
Don