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THE CLYMER CLAN of Maryland, Delaware and Points West
by Anita L. Ockert 1989 book (over 300 pages) with inter-library
loan from Emporia Ks. Public Library and/or Mid-Continent
Public Library Independence, MO. Good documentation and index.
Don
To help with location << GenoClem(a)aol.com Thanks for the John Tothero info.
The birthplace and marriage location are listed as "Lincoln, NC". This is
presumably Lincoln County, wherein the city of Lincolnton is the primary
municipality.>> Gaston Co NC split from Lincoln Co NC ca 1847.
Clemmer-Tothero lived off South Fork of Catawba Riv, Long Ck, near present
Dallas NC-----
Thanks for the John Tothero info. It helps fill out my listings for the NC
area. A detail may be of interest to some: The birthplace and marriage
location are listed as "Lincoln, NC". This is presumably Lincoln County,
wherein the city of Lincolnton is the primary municipality.
Found on another list;
From: Jean Coleman <puritanpro(a)twave.net>
Subject: 3 Deterro Brothers
I found your info by going to www.google.com and entering the names you
mentioned.
John Totherow b. @ 1778 Lincoln, NC
father: John Dettero
mother: Mary Hoffman
married: Elizabeth Clemmer on nov 1803 Lincoln, NC
child: Silas Dethrow
you can find this and perhaps the person can give you more information
at: www.crcwnet.com/~wags/ferg/html/surnames.html
If that doesn't work - let me know.
Jean Coleman
Marina, I don't believe I have anything more than Dorothy Creely (who you're
already in correspondence with)) does. She is a treasure trove of info on
Jasper and Delilah Neal. I've just gotten copies of the photos she has of
them, as well as one of their pioneer home. Thanks, Dorothy (and mom)!
Vivia Boe
In a message dated 4/20/00 7:23:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, marina(a)sonic.net
writes:
> That's all I have on him or Delilah on down. I have her parents (names
only)
> and lots on his parents and siblings. Do you have more?
>
> Marina
> http://www.thelighthouseonline.com/marina
>
Thanks Marina, let's keep in mind.
Best, Hal McCawley of San Francisco
Marina Michaels wrote:
>
> Hal,
>
> My apologies for a delayed reply.
>
> My apologies also for not having the information you need. I don't have
> anything more on Elizabeth Clemmer than what I originally gave in my email.
> I wish I did! If I come across more, I will post it to this list..
>
> Marina
> http://www.thelighthouseonline.com/marina
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hal McCawley [mailto:hmccawle@ix.netcom.com]
> Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 2:06 PM
> To: CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Elizabeth Clemmer b. ca 1781 PA
>
> Thanks for responding Marina.
> Yes, I believe we are talking about the same family.
> I don't have the first name as "George" but carry him as Valentine "Felty"
> CLEMMER with wife Eliz DETTRO.
> This is the Eliz that we are chasing!
> I am not sure that bd is his either?? I carry his bd as 1750??
> And yes, to me they are the same clans and I file them as DETTROs &
> CLEMMERs!
> And I do show a dau Eliz CLEMMER for them that m John DETTRO, s/o John, the
> progenitor of the Gaston Co, NC DETTROs.
> This dau Eliz CLEMMER & young John DETTRO had a son Joel E. that I dearly
> would
> love to know more about!!!!! Like his wife's name, their mar rec including
> witnesses and her parents names. !HELP WANTED!
> Keep in mind that while I am somewhat knowledgeable on these lines in NC,
> there
> are several gurus on CLEMMER-L that are much more knowledgeable on both
> lines
> in PA and beyond.
> Best, Hal McCawley
>
> ==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
> A source of many Clemmers;
> http://www.midcoast.com/~davisw/cl_0017.html"
Dorothy,
Would it be possible to get a copy of that biography? (I have to admit I am
trying hard not to salivate!) Again, I have a toll-free fax number I can
send you if it is possible for you to fax to me. I am a direct descendant of
John Clemmer, presumed (by me) son of Jacob Clemmer who married Anna
Blosser.
Marina
http://www.thelighthouseonline.com/marina
-----Original Message-----
From: DCreely103(a)aol.com [mailto:DCreely103@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 3:58 PM
To: CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Is there a doctor in the house?
Yes, I have the four page Clemmer Biography written by JOeph Neal Clemmer,
1900 in Clarksville, Iowa, and it was told to him as a boy by his
grandfather, old Jacob Clemmer. b. 1766 d. 1850 about. The Clemmer family
has been traced by me and others back to Affoltern, Canton Zurich,
Switzerland, in 1566. Some dispute the work, but it is all we have, for
now.
I had a aprofessional genealogist read those very hard-to-read documents in
early Swiss church records. I atttempted to trace them further back to
France, cause that is where old Jacob said they had fled from in the
Bartholmew's Eve Massacre. He said they had gone to Zurich. And indeed
they
were only a mile or two away from Zurich. They were Reform Faith members.
The area of France I think they fled from is now called Dups, but then it
was
Montbeliard, and it bordered on Switzerland. Dorothy
==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
Is your ancestor's obituary online? Go to http://clemmer.org to find out.
Dorothy,
I'd love to see your information! Can you fax it or send it by email? (I
have a toll-free fax number which I can send to you privately.)
Marina
http://www.thelighthouseonline.com/marina
-----Original Message-----
From: DCreely103(a)aol.com [mailto:DCreely103@aol.com]
Sent: Friday, March 31, 2000 9:23 AM
To: CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Is there a doctor in the house?
My ancestor Jasper Clemmer, father of Joseph Neal Clemmer, M.D. , was not a
doctor but a farmer. Jasper was son of Jacob Clemmer, and left Fayette
County about 1845 or so, and moved to Green County, Wisconsin. He was
married to Delilah Neal. Delilah Neal's father was Joseph Neal/Neil/ and was
a ferry operator on the Allegheny River, crossing between Fayette and Green
County, Pa. I have maps etc., and also a run-down on the Neal/Neils if you
are interested. Dorothy.
==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
Who is the moderator?
http://clemmer.org/
Vivia,
This sounds like "my" several-times great grandfather, Jasper Clemmer, b.
June 16, 1801 in Springhill Township, Fayette County, Pennsylvania, d.
December 17, 1885 in Sylvester Township, Green County, WI. He married
Delilah Neal on October 13, 1824.
That's all I have on him or Delilah on down. I have her parents (names only)
and lots on his parents and siblings. Do you have more?
Marina
http://www.thelighthouseonline.com/marina
-----Original Message-----
From: ViviaB(a)aol.com [mailto:ViviaB@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2000 4:18 PM
To: CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Is there a doctor in the house?
My approx. ggggrandfather Jasper Clemmer (lived in PA, probl Fayette Co.
1801-1885) was a doctor. I don't know if he took boys in, but he did have a
female ward, Elizabeth Zerley, who married his son Joseph Neal (they were my
ggggrandparents). Joseph Neal was also a doctor. Hope you find what you're
looking for! Vivia Boe
==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
Send the following address to those who might want to join us;
http://clemmer.org/clemmerlist.html
Hal,
My apologies for a delayed reply.
My apologies also for not having the information you need. I don't have
anything more on Elizabeth Clemmer than what I originally gave in my email.
I wish I did! If I come across more, I will post it to this list..
Marina
http://www.thelighthouseonline.com/marina
-----Original Message-----
From: Hal McCawley [mailto:hmccawle@ix.netcom.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2000 2:06 PM
To: CLEMMER-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLEMMER-L] Elizabeth Clemmer b. ca 1781 PA
Thanks for responding Marina.
Yes, I believe we are talking about the same family.
I don't have the first name as "George" but carry him as Valentine "Felty"
CLEMMER with wife Eliz DETTRO.
This is the Eliz that we are chasing!
I am not sure that bd is his either?? I carry his bd as 1750??
And yes, to me they are the same clans and I file them as DETTROs &
CLEMMERs!
And I do show a dau Eliz CLEMMER for them that m John DETTRO, s/o John, the
progenitor of the Gaston Co, NC DETTROs.
This dau Eliz CLEMMER & young John DETTRO had a son Joel E. that I dearly
would
love to know more about!!!!! Like his wife's name, their mar rec including
witnesses and her parents names. !HELP WANTED!
Keep in mind that while I am somewhat knowledgeable on these lines in NC,
there
are several gurus on CLEMMER-L that are much more knowledgeable on both
lines
in PA and beyond.
Best, Hal McCawley
jerry williams wrote:
> John,
> My mother-in-law is eight-seven. George Valintine ( Felty) was her
> 4-great-grandfather, Lawerence's brother.
> This story was not know by any member of her family. If her
> grandfather
> Calvin A. Clemmer knew he did not pass the story on.
> It is recorded and we believe it to be true.
> Barbara
>
> ==== CLEMMER Mailing List ====
> A great Klemmer history page;
> http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/4340/
Dorothy, Thank you for your quick response. I believe the
report also because it is so well documented. As to the passing of the
events down the generations, it's almost as though the four brothers
made a pact not to discuss them. John
John,
My mother-in-law is eight-seven. George Valintine ( Felty) was her
4-great-grandfather, Lawerence's brother.
This story was not know by any member of her family. If her grandfather
Calvin A. Clemmer knew he did not pass the story on.
It is recorded and we believe it to be true.
Barbara
This was on another mailing list; I think all researchers should be
aware of this legislature:
In a message dated 4/18/00 2:12:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
zona.himmelsbach(a)juno.com writes:
<< Hello list members searching Ohio records for marriage information:
This comes from the April 2000 Mahoning County Chapter of the OGS
newsletter: "Introduced into the Ohio House of Rep. is a bill to amend
the Ohio Revised code that should have genealogists up in arms. 'It
states, in part, that upon receiving a request for records pertaining
to the issuance of marriage licenses, a probate court shall furnish
copies of the records as provided under section 149.43 of the Ohio
Revised code, except that the court shall delete or otherwise remove
any social security numbers and the maiden names of the mothers of the
parties to a marriage so that they are not available to the person
requesting the records, except for use by the department of human
services, law enforcement personnel, and if ordered by the court in a
civil or criminal trial.' If any individual genealogist feels that this
would impact their ability to do genealogical research, a letter
voicing your concern would be in order here.
The address is:
The Honorable____,
Ohio Representatives,
77 South High St.,
Columbus, Ohio
43266-0603
Or www.house.state.oh.us/voice/index. html. Representative Ron Hood from
Canfield is a co-sponsor of this bill."
Pass this on to any other lists you are subscribed to if you think
others might also be seeking marriage information in Ohio records.
Lanita Sconce Miller
This concerns generations not passing along important family events.
In recent weeks, it has become apparent that I am descended from
Lawrence Clemmer (one of my great great great grandfathers) whose
parents were slaughtered by indians in PA in 1756 and who himself was
held by the indians for several years. And yet, these events were not
passed down to my father or to me. It makes me doubt the genealogical
evidence.
Is this a common occurrence?
Is it widely known that this George Valentine Clemmer was also killed along
with his sister Anna Elizabeth, and his brother in law, Ludwig Klemmer? The
court records show that his estate was saved for his nephews after their
return in 1765. George Valentine Boeckel Sr. was an uncle to Anna Elizabeth
Boeckel, and he had been the executor of the estate of his nephew, George
Valentin Boeckel, but he died before 1765, and the executor was someone else,
who I beleive was married to the daughter of George Valentine Boeckel. So
she was Anna Belizabeth Boeckel's cousin. Augustus Scherer had kept the
youngest Klemmer son, who was not killed or captured, until the return of his
brothers. I have a bit on Augustus Scherer, if anyone is interested. He
lived in the Littlestown area, and went to the same church. Dorothy
Cheryl Lutz posted Ludwig Klemmer to America 1751 in ship Neptune. This has
always puzzled me because we know Ludwig Klemmer and the Bocle were in
Littlestown PA in 1747. So why were Bockle Clemmer listed in 1751 as
passengers to America??-----------From my book <<There is confusion in the
Atlantic crossings from Germany to Philadelphia. Here are the names and
dates of the passengers as recorded in the reference books, PASSENGER AND
IMMIGRANTS SHIP LISTS, Original &
SUPPLEMENT, 1. Ludwig Klemer(only one m) 1747, Vol. H-K, Supplement,
reference to Book "Palatine Index", by Hall, page 61. 2.Johan Bockle 1751
3.Anna Elisabeth Bockle 1751 3. Johan Ludwig Klemmer, 1751 4. Maria
Elizabeth Bockle age 10 in 1731.-------------------------We know one Ludwig
Clemmer was in Littlestown PA 4 years earlier because <<<Then in 1747 Ludwig,
Anna, and their son Jacob Klemmer sailed to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania.
Shortly after they arrived in America they went to Littlestown ,Pa . There
on 5-6
747, at Christ Reformed Church, the Reverend Michael Slatter baptized George
Valentine Klemmer born 2-10-1747. The baby's parents were listed on the
church records as Ludwig and Maria Elisabeth Bekelin(Beckel) Klemmer from
"Friedelsheim in the Pfaltz,
rmany". The sponsor of the baby ( George Valentine Klemmer) was one George
Valentine Bockle who we think was the brother of Elizabeth Bockle Klemmer.>>
Found on another list;
From: jann williams <jannwilliams(a)dwx.com>
Subject: Kate Evelyn Shawhan
Surname: Shawhan
-------------------------
Any information on Kate Evelyn Shawhan b.@ 1898/Runnels, IA; d.1981 in
Des Moines, IA; Married Charles Dickey in 1918? and widowed in 1933?
Remarried
to Staley Clemmer in 1936? Children w Charles: Olin, Gwendylen, Richard
and William. Thanks! jannwilliams(a)dwx.com
Danny L. Clemmer
Clemmer LIst Owner
http://www.clemmer.org
Found on another list;
From: Cheryl Lutz <cherylann402(a)yahoo.com>
Subject: [TSL] Ship Neptune 1751 Passenger List
Ship Neptune September 24, 1751 Philadelphia
[List 172 C]At the Court House at Philadelphia,
Tuesday the 24th September 1751.
Present: William Peters, Esqr.
The foreigners whose Names are underwritten, imported
in the Ship Neptune, John Mason, Commander, from
Rotterdam & last from Cowes, did this day take the
usual Qualifications & subscribe them. By List 144.
Whole Freights 300. Messrs Shoemaker.
. . .
Ludewig Klemmer
. . .
List copied from Pennsylvania German Pioneers Vol I by
Ralph Strassburger & Willam Hinke Picton Press Camden
maine 1992 pp467-469.
Danny L. Clemmer
Clemmer LIst Owner
http://www.clemmer.org
Found on another list;
From: Marguerite Crist Calvin <cristcalvin(a)ohiohills.com>
Subject: [MILLER-L] Fairfield county, Ohio Marriages - part 2
Fairfield County, Ohio, Marriages Volume 1 - 1800-1835 from Fairfield
county Probate Court and The Fairfield County Recorder's Office.
Codes for books is in front of abstracted book. There is more
information on records, re Patsy Kishler,compiler. not necessarily
genealogical.
DBA- Deed Book A Recorder's office.
FC Probate Court Marriage Book 1803-1835 is in 3 parts; A-part 1; B-
part 2; C- part 3; Kishler also states these have been microfilmed by
LDS
. . .
MILLER, Othias/McPherson, Polly; 23 Mar 1816; Massy Clymer; B-106
. . .
Danny L. Clemmer
Clemmer LIst Owner
http://www.clemmer.org