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>I have the following names but not much about them.
>Gabriel Clements married to Charlotte Richardson. He was found in SC ,
>Ala/ Ga/ and Ms.
>Clement Clements father of Gabriel . Clement was married to Barbar Griffin.
>He lived in Va and Ga.
>Andrew Clements father of Clement. He was married to Rebecca Haig. He was
>found in SC.
>Would appreciate any help with these names.
>
>
>
I have the following names but not much about them.
Gabriel Clements married to Charlotte Richardson. He was found in SC ,
Ala/ Ga/ and Ms.
Clement Clements father of Gabriel . Clement was married to Barbar Griffin.
He lived in Va and Ga.
Andrew Clements father of Clement. He was married to Rebecca Haig. He was
found in SC.
Would appreciate any help with these names.
John CLEMENTS b: 1900 d: 1986 in Williamson County, Illinois. He
married Flossie Elizabeth REYNOLDS. Who was John's parents and did he
have siblings? Please help me.
Barbara
John CLEMENTS b: 1900 d: 1986 in Williamson County, Illinois. He
married Flossie Elizabeth REYNOLDS. Who was John's parents and did he
have siblings? Please help me.
Barbara
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Does anyone have any information on my gt. gt. grandfather
Charles CLEMENTS, b. 1817, Dullingham, Cambridgeshire ?
Occupation: Shoemaker
Wife:
Martha (surname unknown) b. 1819, Hopton, Suffolk.
Children:
Ellen b. 1849 Dullingham
Mary A. b. 1851Dullingham
Elizabeth b. 1861Dullingham
Charles b. 1865 Dullingham,
Charles (b. 1865) moved to South Normanton, Derbyshire, being listed
as Charles CLEMANCE, lodger, in a house in Water Lane during the
1881 census. Other occupants of the house at that time included:
Sarah Cowman (b. ? in S.Normanton) Widow (of Samuel PAGE)
Ellen Page (b. 1860, South Normanton) Spinster
Elizabeth Page (b. 1862, South Normanton) Spinster
Reuben Clements (b. 1881, South Normanton) Infant
Frederick W Page (b. 1881, South Normanton) Infant
Charles & Elizabeth subsequently married, and Reuben Clements was
later known as Reuben Clements Page.
If anyone can throw light on the Cambridgeshire CLEMENTS it would be
much appreciated!
Many thanks:
Vic Brocklehurst
brocmail(a)mail.pci.co.zw
http://www.angelfire.com/va/broc
Hi All!
I am a descendant of Rachel Clements, b. 10 October 1775, SC, d. ca. 1833, prob.
in McNairy Co., TN.
Rachel married Hamilton Reynolds ca. 1791 in SC or GA (Wilkes Co.?) and they
lived in SC until about 1814-5 when they moved to Lawrence Co., TN.
I've not been able to determine anything at all about Rachel's parents or
siblings, and I'd really like to learn more about her. There is a William
Clemmons shown in the Lawrence Co., TN 1820 census. He is in the 45+ age
bracket, which might make him a brother of Rachel's.
Several of Rachel and Hamilton's children moved down just across the TN/AL state
line into Lauderdale Co., AL. There in the 1860 census, living among several
Reynolds family members is another William Clemens, b. ca. 1820, TN and his wife
Francis A., b. ca. 1822, VA and their six children, the first five of whom are
reported to have been born in Arkansas. They are Samuel A., age 11; Mary A.,
age 10; McDaniel, age 7; Peter, age 4; Liza Jane, age 3, and Rebecca Jane, age
1. My guess is that this William Clemens is a son of the William living in
Lawrence Co. in 1820.
The children of Rachel Clements and Hamilton Reynolds were:
Elizabeth, b. 1793, SC
Hugh Riah, b. 1795, SC (my 3 gr-grandfather)
David B., b. 1797, SC
Nancy, b. 1798, SC
Thomas, b. 1800, SC
Isaac Clements, b. 1802, SC
Millage Hamilton, b. 1805, SC
Polly, b. 1807, SC
I've heard claims among distant cousins that Samuel Clemens' mother was a
Reynolds, but have never seen this in print anywhere. In any event, I thought
it interesting that the William Clemens living in Lauderdale Co., AL in 1860
named his first son Samuel. For those of you who are related to Samuel Clemens,
you should be aware that we have a museum near Knoxville with a house that the
Clements family lived in for a number of years. It's at the Museum of
Appalachia in Norris, TN and it is the original log structure that was moved to
the museum from its nearby location.
I'd appreciate any info or guidance anyone can give me. If any of you have
Clements ancestors who lived for awhile in TN, I'd be happy to do look ups at
our historical society library here in Knoxville.
I look forward to contributing to and learning from all of you regarding our
Clements ancestors!
Michele Valkenaar
Knoxville, TN
Hello, Here is my most wanted Clements, I hope someone can help. :)
1. Henry Clements b. in England d. I think in England
Elizabeth Carroll b. in England d. I think in England
2. Henry Herbert Clements b.abt 1885 England d. abt 1948 NY
Eileen Rose b. abt 1895 Ireland d. in NY
3. Francis Charles Clements b. 1920 NY d. 1962 Fl buried in NY
Jacqueline Ann Beers b. 1925 NY
4. Richard Todd Clements b. NY lives in Fl
Ruth Illingworth Paterson b. Nj lives Fl
5. Kimberly Clements b. 1973 Fl -----------------ME!!
3. Eileen Clements b. NY
3. Harry Clements. NY
I would love any help on finding out about my family. I have had alot of
luck on other branchs of my families but for some reason this is all I can
find on my Clements name.
Thanks, Kimberly C. Nash
Please check out my webpage at:
http://www.familytreemaker.com/users/n/a/s/Kimberly-C-Nash/
For all of the names in my data base check out:
http://www.geocities.com/heartland/prairie/5258
For my dad's new Mustang page, about what he wants and parts he has for sale
check out:
http://www.netcom.com/~knbnash/Stangs.html
At 09:37 AM 10/14/97 -0700, CLEMENTS-D-request(a)rootsweb.com wrote:
>CLEMENTS-D Digest Volume 97 : Issue 49
>
>Today's Topics:
> #1 Please Help ["lawrence bennett" <warpthree@clas]
> #2 Looking for parents of John CLEMEN [Barbara Clements <lookout(a)i1.net>]
>
>______________________________X-Message: #1
>Date: Sun, 12 Oct 97 02:55:17 UT
>From: "lawrence bennett" <warpthree(a)classic.msn.com>
>To: clements-l(a)rootsweb.com
>Message-Id: <UPMAIL18.199710120301380892(a)classic.msn.com>
>Subject: Please Help
>
>Dear List,
> I am not a member of the list, so please post responses to my e-mail
>address.
>I have a friend whose last name is Clement, and everyone tells her that the
>name isn't Jewish, and has to be a corruption of a more "Jewish sounding"
>name. She is without a computer, so I told her I would ask this list if there
>are any Jewish Clements out there, and if so, is your name originally Clement?
> Thanks for your kind consideration of this matter. Monica Bennett
>Warpthree(a)msn.com
>
>______________________________X-Message: #2
>Date: Tue, 14 Oct 1997 11:26:08 -0700
>From: Barbara Clements <lookout(a)i1.net>
>To: "CLEMENTS-L(a)rootsweb.com" <CLEMENTS-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>Message-ID: <3443B940.20D9D836(a)i1.net>
>Subject: Looking for parents of John CLEMENTS
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>Hello,
>
>My name is Barbara Clements in St. Louis. I am severely disabled and
>type with a headwand. Kind of hoping this listserv will keep me from
>having to type letters all over the country.
>
>I am looking for information on the g grandparents. They were the
>parents of John CLEMENTS b: 1900 d: 1986, Robert CLEMENTS, Charles
>CLEMENTS (half brother to John and Robert, and there were three half
>sisters (Unknown). Names, Birth dates, Wedding Dates, Death Dates, and
>Locations for all mentioned are needed. John CLEMENTS married Flossie
>Elizabeth REYNOLDS b: 1905 d: 1976. They lived in Johnston City,
>Williamson County, Illinois. Stories and information would be
>appreciated. John CLEMENTS was married two other times, so if anyone
>knows the names of the other two women, please send them and any other
>information about them. This all took place around Williamson, Pope,
>Saline counties in Illinois.
>
>I understand Charles was a politician in Springfield, Illinois in the
>early - mid 1900s, so any information on him would be greatly
>appreciated. Would appreciate any information/articles on Charles.
>Please help me.
>
>Barbara Clements
>
To my knowledge there were no jewish Clements. LW
Looking for parents of Barton Brawner Clements born in MD about 1810. He
may have lived in KY. He lived in TN at some time because his daughter was
born there. He was in the Franklin, AR, census in 1840. He also lived in
Barry County, MO, and Cooke County, TX.
Thanks,
Donna
At the risk of offending, I think I have to step in and back up Joy.
Especially since the book is something that is applicable to many persons
on this list.
It is wise to evaluate all leads and 'opinions'. However, it seems to
me that a professional researcher/ author of over 30 yrs, would not
offer published CONCLUSIONS regarding a relationship, without having the
documentatiion to support her conclusions, or reasonable explanations of
how that conclusion is reached. In the case of Jeanette Holland Austin,
she has published conclusions that not only are not supported by the
documents offered, but are disproven by other records which were not
included. This has occurred in 3 instances that I am aware of, in 3
different books. .
Concerning her statement that Peyton Clements and Simon Clements were
brothers, there are many references in the Clements book. NONE of those
back up her conclusion of their relationship. Simons' estate records
include the will of his father, John Clements which does NOT name a son,
Peyton. Yes, there are wills which fail to include sons or daughters,
in which case, one would search for something else to prove or support
the theory offered. I am not aware of any such record being offered.
A similiar instance occurs in the identification that Edward Wade,
husband of Mary Clements (he d. 1790 in Greene co, Ga) was a son of
Robert Wade, of Halifax co, VA. While Robert's will does indeed name a
son Edward, it is overlooked that there were 2 Edward Wades, the
younger of whom died in 1776, and from other available records, is much
more likely to have been the son of Robert. Multiple men of the same name
is a common problem in research. In a third line, it is claimed that
both Martha Perkins (wife of Peyton L Wade) and Lucy Middlebrooks were
daughters of Archibald Wade of Greene county. The will of Archibald
Perkins names his daughter Patsy GREER, not Wade.... never mind that it
doesn't include Lucy Middlebrooks. The will of Abram Perkins, however
does include specifically his daughter Lucy Middlebrooks and Patsy
Perkins. Lucy IS married when her father wrote the will, in June, 1793
where Patsy is not... but Peyton Wade is named in the estate settlement
records after Abram's death late in 1793. Archibald Perkins is an
example of an elder child not being included in a will.... but is proven
as Abram's son by a deed "to my son" of land in Caswell county.
I am talking about 3 separate books here, written by someone who is a
professional. Yes, these kinds of errors are often made by novice
researchers. The examples offered were not shown as leads, opinions or
speculation of possiblities, but as conclusions. I am certain that she
has published many things that are accurate, but considering what I have
seen, I have to question the reliability.
Wendy
I'm seconding (or is it "thirding"?) this advice to check and recheck secondary
sources. I'm grateful for old family members who years ago put together the notes
which were the basis of my first genealogy studies, but I found it necessary to
double check so many stories about "we're related to ___, the famous
Revolutionary War general," etc. It's nice to believe that, maybe, but it just
ain't so sometimes. What began as speculation became legend, then "fact," which
it isn't.
Jim
At 12:25 PM 10/17/97 -0400, TonyGriffn(a)aol.com wrote:
> They are leads, but remember that "secondary sources" are just that "leads"!
There are mistakes in primary sources, too!! <grin> You need to collect as
many sources (both primary and secondary) as possible and sort them out to
eventually reach the "TRUTH"!! <evil laugh>
Joy Fisher
jfisher(a)ucla.edu
Hi all,
In reference to my source: "CLEMENTS" by Jeannette Holland Stucki and Dorothy
Holland Herring; 929.2 S932.
Joy Fisher wrote:
<Suggest you carefully check the data in this book. They have one guy
fighting in the Revolutionary War, then dying in the Calif. gold rush
(1849), then fighting in the Civil War (1860's). He sure was one tough coot.>
This is excellent advice when using any secondary source. You never know
when an author has made a mistake or knowlingly put false information in a
source. One example of fictitious, who knows? is my Virginia DALTON line, my
6th ggrandmother Anne Dandridge Redd md to Samuel Dalton Sr. According to
other sources it was impossible for this lady to have been the wife of this
Samuel Dalton. The question here is "Who has the right information"? You
never know until you check it out yourself!!!!
I have not been able to resolve this puzzle, but you should never leave a
source out of your records and resources because of one persons opinion.
They are leads, but remember that "secondary sources" are just that "leads"!
Again, Joy, thanks for the good advice:)
Tony
Suggest you carefully check the data in this book. They have one guy
fighting in the Revolutionary War, then dying in the Calif. gold rush
(1849), then fighting in the Civil War (1860's). He sure was one tough coot.
At 06:45 PM 10/16/97 -0400, TonyGriffn(a)aol.com wrote:
>I found this book at Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, TX. about a
>year ago: "CLEMENTS" by Jeannette Holland Stucki and Dorothy Holland Herring;
>929.2 S932.
>
>It has Sir Geoffry Clements md abt 1603 in England, (d. abt 1609 Oxford,,
>England) to Elizabeth Fuller and their descendants in America. Elizabeth
>later md abt 1623/24 Ralph Hamar in Virginia, no issue for Eliz. and Ralph
>listed. I have a lot of this information in my database to share if anyone
>is unable to find the above mentioned book or the CD ROM of the Coldham
>immigrants mentioned by Wendy.
>
>My connection is through Johnson Clement and b. 1776 Campbell, Va.; d. 20 Jan
>1849, Mo.; and Elizabeth Moore; b. 1774 Surry, N.C.; d. Dec 1855 Missouri.
>
>Tony Griffin now in Boise, Id.
>
>
Joy Fisher
jfisher(a)ucla.edu
I found this book at Clayton Genealogical Library in Houston, TX. about a
year ago: "CLEMENTS" by Jeannette Holland Stucki and Dorothy Holland Herring;
929.2 S932.
It has Sir Geoffry Clements md abt 1603 in England, (d. abt 1609 Oxford,,
England) to Elizabeth Fuller and their descendants in America. Elizabeth
later md abt 1623/24 Ralph Hamar in Virginia, no issue for Eliz. and Ralph
listed. I have a lot of this information in my database to share if anyone
is unable to find the above mentioned book or the CD ROM of the Coldham
immigrants mentioned by Wendy.
My connection is through Johnson Clement and b. 1776 Campbell, Va.; d. 20 Jan
1849, Mo.; and Elizabeth Moore; b. 1774 Surry, N.C.; d. Dec 1855 Missouri.
Tony Griffin now in Boise, Id.
This might help a wide group of the list, including Monica whose friend
is asking about the name.
A while back, I had the chance to search through a cd rom of Coldham's
immigrants, sorry, I don't have the accurate title right now. In doing
this, I found something of interest. Many of the individuals in the
early and mid 1600's who wound up settling in Virginia, were on various
lists and named as either ship's masters or mariners... ie so and so
Clements sailed from London to Virginia, the Barbados and at least one
of them to New England. I moved this year, and don't have the exact
notes available. I also have information that Sir Jeffrey Clements, who
died in England, was the father of certain ones who were at Jamestown,
Virginia. His widow married Ralph Hamor, and I also understand that
there are no male descendents of that line. Sir Jeffrey Clements was a
part owner/ investor in the London company before his death.
It seems that it is probably no coincidence that several were involved in
early shipping and immigration, and there is a good likelihood that
these persons had some common line or interest in England. Looking at
the ones in colonial Virginia, there is a similiarity of names ie
Francis, Benjamin, Jeremiah, John (well, of course) even though thier
connection is not 'proven' in records here in the US. Records may also
be 'buried' in the Barbados, which was a stopping point for some early
ships.
In American records, I think (and someone else can offer views on this)
I think many of the early Clements follow a similiar pattern in that
those who settled originally in the New England area, tend to be
associated with migration through the Northern states, while southern
lines often will trace back into early Virginia. In the earliest period
of the colonies, immigration was GENERALLY based on English lineage. So
far, I have not been aware of any Clements in England who have tried to
establish any certain patterns of settlement, although it is possible
there is such a pattern. I have seen, in one or two instances, people
who have mentioned that their Clements (Klement?) line has evidence of
origin in Germany.
Sometimes we can be fortunate to find clues to a common line, in a
migration pattern. An example is George Clements, who d. in Bertie co,
NC in 1731.... I have a record that connects him to Hanover county,
Virginia. How was he connected to Simon Clements, who died in Granville
county, but whose father, John, d. 1749 in Hanvover? Peyton Clements,
also of Granville county, NC was not Simon's brother, but leads also
point to the Hanover area, and may link back into Gloucester county.
Apparently, some descendents from these persons went to South Carolina.
I wonder if there are similiar connections for those whose lines are in
the northern states (like Illinois) and the New England lines.?
By the way, just in case... my goal is to prove the parents of Mary
Clements, b. ca 1720-1730, married Edward Wade, and died in Greene co,
Georgia. I am confident she was a sister to Peyton Clements of Granville
co, NC so I am particularly interested in anyone from that line.
For this (or any other) name, the most reliable thing is to work from
the present backwards, until one can possibly connect into a group that
has already been studied and documented. For the lady who is Jewish,
she may find that she gets back 3-4 generations, and finds that she
"hits" the immigrant ancestor, and can find evidence of his background,
which may or may not be English. There might be an instance in her
particular line of conversion to the Jewish faith, or an adoption or
name change. For most people, if they can trace their line to the 1850
census, they can at least get a place of birth and a direction to look
towards.
I know others on the list have attempted to create a database of the
name, which I have not even tried, so perhaps thay have some input on
these patterns. I would love to hear from others, and welcome
corrections/ additions on this, since it is based on what I have seen
only.
Wendy Dolphay
Hi. I am looking for information about a Mary or Polly "Betty" F.
Clements, daughter of John Clements. She married John Kerr 18 Feb. 1819 in
Campbell Co.,VA. Their son, John Clements Kerr, was born
@1820. I believe they also had a daughter, Martha Kerr, born in 1822 in
the Seneca Creek area who died in Feb. 1875 in Campbell Co.,VA. and
probably never married. I will gladly share all info. TIA
Karen Webber Bullard
kbullard(a)bullardintl.com
Hello,
My name is Barbara Clements in St. Louis. I am severely disabled and
type with a headwand. Kind of hoping this listserv will keep me from
having to type letters all over the country.
I am looking for information on the g grandparents. They were the
parents of John CLEMENTS b: 1900 d: 1986, Robert CLEMENTS, Charles
CLEMENTS (half brother to John and Robert, and there were three half
sisters (Unknown). Names, Birth dates, Wedding Dates, Death Dates, and
Locations for all mentioned are needed. John CLEMENTS married Flossie
Elizabeth REYNOLDS b: 1905 d: 1976. They lived in Johnston City,
Williamson County, Illinois. Stories and information would be
appreciated. John CLEMENTS was married two other times, so if anyone
knows the names of the other two women, please send them and any other
information about them. This all took place around Williamson, Pope,
Saline counties in Illinois.
I understand Charles was a politician in Springfield, Illinois in the
early - mid 1900s, so any information on him would be greatly
appreciated. Would appreciate any information/articles on Charles.
Please help me.
Barbara Clements
Dear List,
I am not a member of the list, so please post responses to my e-mail
address.
I have a friend whose last name is Clement, and everyone tells her that the
name isn't Jewish, and has to be a corruption of a more "Jewish sounding"
name. She is without a computer, so I told her I would ask this list if there
are any Jewish Clements out there, and if so, is your name originally Clement?
Thanks for your kind consideration of this matter. Monica Bennett
Warpthree(a)msn.com