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Joy Fisher wrote:
>
> From the Amelia Co. Marriage Records:
>
> January 28, 1768
>
> John White married Ann Clements (widow of William).
>
> I am leaning toward this being the widow of Wm. Jr. who died in 1764,
> rather than his father who died in 1760.
>
> Anyone having any concrete evidence one way or the other??
>
>
Joy,
Your leaning is correct. For confirmation, see Amelia Co. Will Book
2X-150, dated 17 Jun 1764, probated 26 Jun 1766, will of William Clement
(Jr), in which he names his son Isham Clements executor for children
Mary, Martha, William and Rebeckah (most likely children by his first
wife Mary), and names (present) wife Ann executrix for Edmund Walker
Clement & John Clement & Ann Clement (most probably children by his 2nd
wife Ann). I sent an extract of this will to the archives for this
Clement website.
Also Ann's second marriage record, dated 28 Jan 1768, says "John White
to Anna (Ann) Clements, WIDOW OF WM. CLEMENTS JR.".
B. DeRoy Beale <bdbea(a)erols.com>
From the Amelia Co. Marriage Records:
January 28, 1768
John White married Ann Clements (widow of William).
I am leaning toward this being the widow of Wm. Jr. who died in 1764,
rather than his father who died in 1760.
Anyone having any concrete evidence one way or the other??
In a message dated 06/19/2000 10:09:03 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
FishHatterascal(a)aol.com writes:
<< The house is in need of a lot
of repair. The road up to the house has big ruts in it. One almost needs
a four wheel drive to reach the top. It would be so nice if Clement Hill
was back in the hands of the family. >>
This is very funny due to the fact that I went up to the driveway in a Honda
Civic. It was very difficult. Hope there are changes made to it.
I was there last year. The house is located on the very top of a steep
hill. I imagine English Construction Company wanted the land due the
the good size field at the bottom of the hill in which they built a Winn-Dixie
Shopping Center. You are right, the site in which the house sits and the
house itself can't be a big moneymaker. The house is in need of a lot
of repair. The road up to the house has big ruts in it. One almost needs
a four wheel drive to reach the top. It would be so nice if Clement Hill
was back in the hands of the family.
Dawn Taylor
Does anyone know the interest that the English Construction Company has in
Clement Hill and/or its' property? Someone in the group had mentioned that
she had met someone who had bid on the property but was outbid by the English
Company. Marna had said that the company was not motivated to sell. The
rental of this house certainly couldn't be some kind of a cash cow, do they
eventually was to raze the place? Is the property well situated for some kind
of future development?
Just curious.
Tom Almquist
Marna,
Thank you for taking the time to type out and share with the rootsweb
list the Pittsylvania Co. Deed showing the sale of some of the
"Clement Hill" property to John Hurt. Your time and effort are
appreciated!
Elaine
The following is a transcript of a deed contained in Pittsylvania County,
Virginia Deed Book 63, on pages 430 - 432.
*************************
This Deed made this 16 day of November 1869 between Catherine F. Clement
widow of James M. Clement decd Mary A. Smith widow of Doct Albert G. Smith
decd and John A. Smith and Mary Ann his wife Silas Dudley and Ann Parke his
wife, Samuel S. Berger and Victoria C his wife, Vincent O. Smith and Laura
his wife and Henry Berger and Nannie J. his wife of the first part and John
L. Hurt of the second part. Whereas the said parties of the first part are
entitled to the tracts of land of which James M. Clement died seized,
situated on Staunton river near Clements Ford in the County of Pittsylvania
adjoining the lands of Thomas T. Adams decd the dower tract of land lately
held by Mrs Nancy Clement & containing five hundred and three acres more or
less and bounded as follows to wit: beginning at the mouth of Sycamore
Creek thence down the river as it meanders 154 poles to Capt Thomas Adams
corner sycamore at 2. thence leaving the river and with his lines S20 ½ E85
poles to a small red oak at 3. thence S13 W162 poles crossing the river road
to corner pointers at 4. S83 ½ E85 poles to a pine at 5. S47 ½ E122 poles
crossing a branch to a small pine at 6. S40 E60 poles crossing long branch
to a stump at 7. South 44 poles to a red oak at 8. N86 E37 poles to the
place of a lot corner at 9. S71 E11 poles crossing Reed creek to a pine 10.
S30 E69 poles to Thurmans corner pine at 11. N86 W18 ½ poles crossing Reed
Creek at the mouth of Panther Branch at 12. S80 W80 poles to a crook at 13.
S60 W14 poles to a red oak on said branch 14. N32 W132 poles to pointers at
15. S60 W66 poles to new corner Pointers to the Dower lot at 16. thence with
said lot N34 ½ W410 poles to a Locust on the lane at 17. N1 E62 poles to the
North east corner of the garden at 18. N6 ½ E23 poles to a small poplar at
19. N38 W15 poles to a large poplar on Sycamore Creek at 20. and thence
N57 E42 poles to the first station. and are also entitled to an interest of
one third in the dower tract of land lying on Staunton river containing four
hundred and twenty one acres of which Mrs. Nancy Clement died possessed and
which was sold by John L. Hurt coun. in the chancery cause of Witcher & wife
against John L. Hurt & others to John W. Motley the purchase money for which
has not yet been paid. The said tract of five hundred and three acres, and
the one third interest in the dower tract of Mrs. Nancy Clement having been
devised by the will of said James M. Clement duly recorded in Pittsylvania
County Court Clerks office the 21st day of May 1860 to the said Catharine F.
Clement his widow during her life or widowhood and at her marriage or death
to Mrs. Mary A. Smith widow of Doct. Albert G. Smith and the heirs of her
body whose names are John A. Smith Ann Parke Dudley wife of Silas Dudley
Victoria C. wife of Samuel Berger Vincent O. Smith and Nannie J. Berger wife
of Henry Berger: all of which said five hundred and three acre tract of land
and the interest as aforesaid in the for hundred and twenty one acre dower
tract or the monies arising from the sale of the same the said parties of
the first part have sold to the said John L. Hurt at the price of five
thousand dollars, two fifths of which is to be paid to the said Catharine F.
Clement by agreement between the parties aforesaid of the first part as her
own property, and which said sum of $2000.00 has this day been paid cash to
the said Catharine F. Clement by the said Hurt and the remaining three
fifths was this day paid by said John L. Hurt to Mrs. Mary A. Smith and her
children above named in the following manner to wit: Mrs. Mary A. Smith
($500.00) five hundred dollars cash, John A. Smith five hundred dollars
cash, Silas Dudley & wife five hundred dollars cash, Samuel Berger & wife
five hundred dollars cash Vincent O. Smith five hundred dollars cash, and
Henry Berger & wife five hundred dollars. Now therefore this deed
witnesseth that for and in consideration of the sum of two thousand dollars
chash paid Mrs. Catharine F. Clement, and three thousand dollars paid cash
to Mrs. Mary A. Smith and children the receipt for all of which is hereby
acknowledged they the said Catharine F. Clement Mary A. Smith, John A. Smith
& Mary Ann his wife, Silas Dudley & Ann Parke his wife Samuel Berger &
Victoria C. his wife, Vincent O. Smith & Laura Ann his wife and Henry Berger
& Nannie J. his wife have this day given granted bargained and sold and by
these presents do give grant bargain sell and convey unto the said John L.
Hurt the said five hundred and three acres of land upon which James M.
Clement formerly lived and the interest of the said James M. Clement in the
for hundred and twenty acres of land lately held by Mrs Nancy Clement as
dower devised to the said parties of the first part by the will of said
James M. Clement and more particularly described and set forth in the first
part of this deed, to him the said John L. Hurt and his heirs forever. And
the said parties of the first part warrant generally the title to the
property hereby conveyed. Witness the following signatures and seals this
the day and date above written
C. F. Clement
Mary A. Smith
John A. Smith
Mary A. Smith
Silas J. Dudley
Ann P. Dudley
S. S. Berger
Vic. C. Berger
Vincent O. Smith
Laura Smith
Henry Berger
Nannie J. Berger
Pittsylvania Co Sc
This day Catherine F. Clement, Mary A. Smith, John A. Smith Silas J. Dudley
Samuel S. Berger and Vincent O. Smith parties whose names are signed to the
foregoing deed personally appeared before me a Notary Public within and for
the said County and acknowledged the execution thereof to be their act and
deed. Given under my hand this the 17th day of November 1860
J. D. Coles N.P.
Pittsylvania Co Sc. This day Henry Berger whose name is signed to the
foregoing deed as a party thereto personally appeared before me a Notary
Public within & for said County and acknowledged the same . Given under my
hand this 11th Decr 1869
Wm Tredway Jr N.P.
Pittsylvania Co Sc. This day Laura Smith and Nannie J Berger whose names
are signed to the within deed as parties thereto personally appeared before
us Notaries Public within & for said County and after the said parties had
been by us examined privily and apart from their said husbands and after the
contents of said deed had been fully explained to her by us , They the said
Laura Smith and Nannie J. Berger acknowledged that they had willingly
executed the said deed and did not desire to retract the same
Given under our hands this 11th December 1869
WmMTredway Jr NP
JD Coles NP
Pittsylvania County Sc.
This day Mary A. Smith wife of John A. Smith Ann P. Dudley wife of Silas J.
Dudley and Victoria C Berger wife of S. S. Berger personally know to us to
be parties whose names are signed to the foregoing deed appeared before us
Notaries Public within and for said County and being by us examined privily
and apart from their said husbands and after said writing had been fully
explained to them, they and each of them acknowledged that they had executed
and delivered the same for the purposes therein set forth and that they did
not desire to retract the same. Given under our hands this the 17th day of
November 1869
J. D. Coles N.P.
Wm M.Tredway Jr N.P.
In the Clerks office of the County Court of Pittsylvania County on the 18th
day of December 1869, the foregoing writing was admitted to record upon the
certificates of acknowledgement thereto annexed. And I do certify that fife
dollars and fifty cents in Revenue Stamps has been placed on said writing
according to law.
Teste L. Scruggs DC
For anyone who may be interested, an ancestor chart for Susannah Hill,
wife of Benjamin Clement, to five generations, follows. It is from my
PAF4.0 database.
Ancestors of Susannah Hill
14 Jun
2000 Page 1
Isaac Hill (b.Abt 1680;d.Abt 1734-Caroline Co.,VA)
Susannah Hill (b.Abt 1710-King & Queen Co.,VA;d.1788-Pittsylvania
Co.,VA)
Jonathan Jenings (d.24 Aug
1649-Ripon,Yorkshire,England)
Sir Edmund Jenings (b.30 Nov
1626-F,Y,England;d.1695-R,Y,England)
Elizabeth J. Parker
Edmund Jenings (b.1659-Ripon,Y,England;d.5 Dec 1727-York
Co.,VA)
Sir Edward Barkham (d.15 Jan
1633/1634-Middlesex,England)
Margaret Barkham (d.Dead-England)
Frances Barney (d.Dead-England)
Margaret Jenings (b.Abt 1690-VA;d.Aft 1747-Spotsylvania Co.,VA?)
Thomas Corbin (b.24 May 1594-England;d.1638-WC,England)
Henry Corbin (b.1629-W,England;d.8 Jan 1676-Westmoreland
Co.,VA)
Winifred Grosvener (b.Abt 1699-England;d.Dead-England)
Frances Corbin (b.Abt 1666-VA;d.22 Nov 1713-London,England)
Richard Eltonhead (b.1582-England;d.23 Sep
1664-E,CL,England)
Alice Eltonhead (b.Abt 1635-L,England;d.Abt 1685-Middlesex
Co.,VA)
Ann Sutton (d.Dead-VA)
Additions/corrections are solicited.
Richard K.
Distingushed Clement Researchers:
After having posted in 1998 to this impressive research list and since
taking a break, I still have only a connection to the Clemons/Clemmons line
circa 1814 - 1909 of Harrison County, KY. And that may be the end of the
trail. However, I would like to continue with this list hoping to obtain
more information on James CLEMENT (which is of your line) of circa 1806 -
1820 Pendleton/Harrison Counties, KY. Especially, information about his
children (if any) by his first two wives (both named Mary).
In my line, the last link I have is that a "Mary" was the mother of Thomas
Clemons, born abt 1827, Harrison County, KY (this was obtained from a
permission to marry statement). I have more data on this "Mary" but no
husband. I have two leads. One I have discussed. The other is the Thomas
and Henry Clemmons on the 1820 Harrison County, KY census.
Thanks for your attention.
Ronald A. Clemons
Mannheim, Germany
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Charles,
You made an interesting comment in your e-mail earlier today that it
would have been highly unusual if Susannah Clements' was married that
her husband not be mentioned in her Lunenburgh Co. deed of 1748
considering the status of married women during that era.
Maybe it is more likely then that this Susannah was a widow of the
John Clements who was deceased by the May Court of 1746 according to
the Lunenburgh Co. guardianship record for his daughter, Hannah.
Who are these Clements? Another mystery that we may not have enough
records available to solve!
Elaine
In a message dated 6/13/0 6:01:36 PM, Elaine Clement wrote:
<<
Does anyone know if the Susannah Clements mentioned in the 1748 deed below
would or could be the wife of Benjamin?
The following excerpt from VA Lunenburgh Co. Deed Bk 1 p. 359-62 dated
18 Jul 1748:
Satterwhite's (...?) from Clements
(other spellings in deed were Clemans, Clomans, Clemmons, Clemons, and
Clemont)
"This Indenture made this Eighteenth Day of July one Thousand seven hundred
and forty Eight Between Susannah Clemans of the County of Lunenburgh and
Parrish of Comb(too faint too read - possibly Cumberland) of the one part and
Thos. Satenwhite
<snip>
left to her by will of her father"...
Signed Sealed and Delivered
in the presence of us
John Tevitby? her mark Susanah Clemont (L S)
John Wilkins
Richd Palmer
... her name was spelled Susannah Clemmons where a second mark for signature
was located. The deed was recorded by Clement Read on 8 Oct 1748.
Unfortunately, Susannah's father's name is not mentioned. If this Susannah
is not Benjamin's wife, could she have been the wife of the John Clements
that is mentioned in the 1746 guardianship record below?
VA Lunenburgh Co. Deed Bk. 1 p. 57-58 May Court 1746:
Wilkin's Bond X Guardianship of Clements
" .. The Condition of this obligation is such that of the above bounden John
Wilkins his Heirs, Extors and Admtors shall well? and truly pay and deliver
or cause to be paid and delivered unto Hannah Clements Orphan of John
Clements deceased all such Estate or Estates... ...(too faint too read) or
shall hereafter appear to be due to the said Orphan when She shall attain to
lawfull age ..."
John Wilkins (L S)
Abra Cooke (L S)
Any comments or opinions are greatly appreciated - thanks!
>>
Elaine,
I would tend to doubt this is Susannah Clement, wife of Captain Benjamin
Clement. Considering the status of married women during this era, it would
have been highly unusual for Benjamin Clement not to have been mentioned in
the deed record. Perhaps some other subscriber can provide information
regarding the identification of this lady.
Thanks for the posting!
Charles Ward
CMW12635(a)aol.com
Mr. Beale:
Thank you for calling this to my attention.
Sharon Chadwell-Phillips
B. DeRoy Beale wrote:
> CMW12635(a)aol.com wrote:
> >
> > The known ancestry of Captain Benjamin Clement, of "Clement Hill" extends no
> > further than his own parents, William and Ann Clement. Attempts to connect
> > him with other established Clement families are entirely speculative as the
> > earliest county of origin for William Clement, Sr. was King William Co., VA a
> > "burned county." No primary source documents remain, or at least have been
> > found, which identify the parents of William Clement, Sr. Pedigrees have
> > been put forward by some, but with no documentation to verify or justify
> > their claims.
> >
> > Also, the wife of William Clement, Sr. is sometimes listed as "Ann Taylor."
> > This is without any justification. No primary sources list her as such. The
> > source of her identification as "Ann Taylor" is a chart of recent origin that
> > was prepared by a descendant in which she was so identified. It should be
> > added that the Ann Taylor she is claimed as being actually married into the
> > Eastham family and the deed records of Essex Co., VA prove this fact.
> >
> > Charles Ward
> > CMW12635(a)aol.com
> >
> > ==== CLEMENT-Benjamin Mailing List ====
> > "It is amazing what you can accomplish if you do not care who gets the credit." -- Harry S. Truman
>
> Dear Charles Ward,
> BRAVO to you for standing up to those who make unfounded claims of the
> wife and parents for our WILLIAM CLEMENT (d 1760 Amelia Co. VA). Every
> time I have seen such claims on the internet, I have written asking for
> sources of such claims, and noone has come forth with any evidence,
> other than "it was given to me by so and so". I just do not understand
> how people come up with these ancestors without some kind of primary
> evidence, and then broadcast it to the world on the internet.
> I congratulate you on your stand, and join with you.
> B. DeRoy Beale <bdbea(a)erols.com>
>
> ==== CLEMENT-Benjamin Mailing List ====
> "If your parents never had children, chances are you won't, either." -- Dick Cavett
Does anyone know if the Susannah Clements mentioned in the 1748 deed
below would or could be the wife of Benjamin?
The following excerpt from VA Lunenburgh Co. Deed Bk 1 p. 359-62 dated
18 Jul 1748:
Satterwhite's (...?) from Clements
(other spellings in deed were Clemans, Clomans, Clemmons, Clemons, and
Clemont)
"This Indenture made this Eighteenth Day of July one Thousand seven
hundred and forty Eight Between Susannah Clemans of the County of
Lunenburgh and Parrish of Comb(too faint too read - possibly
Cumberland) of the one part and Thos. Satenwhite of the same County
and Parrish of the other part Witnesseth that the said Susannh Clemans
for and in Consideration of the sum of five pounds Currant money of
Virginia to her in hand paid by the said Thos. Satterwhite The Receipt
whereof She doth hereby Acknowledge hath Granted, Bargained, Sold,
Aliened, Released, and Confirmed and by these presents for himself and
his Heirs doth (too faint to read), bargain, Sel, alien, Release, and
Confirm unto the said Thos. Satterwhite and to his Heirs and Assigns
for one Certain Tract or Parcel of Land Containing fifty Acres be The
same more or Less Seituate in the County and Parrish above (Retl in?)
and on the North side of Roaneoke River and bounded by the Roade and
Easters line left to her by will of her father"...
Signed Sealed and Delivered
in the presence of us
John Tevitby? her mark Susanah Clemont (L S)
John Wilkins
Richd Palmer
... her name was spelled Susannah Clemmons where a second mark for
signature was located. The deed was recorded by Clement Read on 8 Oct
1748.
Unfortunately, Susannah's father's name is not mentioned. If this
Susannah is not Benjamin's wife, could she have been the wife of the
John Clements that is mentioned in the 1746 guardianship record
below?
VA Lunenburgh Co. Deed Bk. 1 p. 57-58 May Court 1746:
Wilkin's Bond X Guardianship of Clements
" .. The Condition of this obligation is such that of the above
bounden John Wilkins his Heirs, Extors and Admtors shall well? and
truly pay and deliver or cause to be paid and delivered unto Hannah
Clements Orphan of John Clements deceased all such Estate or Estates
... ...(too faint too read) or shall hereafter appear to be due to the
said Orphan when She shall attain to lawfull age ..."
John Wilkins (L S)
Abra Cooke (L S)
Any comments or opinions are greatly appreciated - thanks!
Elaine Clement
I am in agreement with Marna and wish to thank Mr. Kesler and Mr. Ward
for their valuable discussion about Susannah's heritage. It was
beneficial to me to "listen" to the reasonings for each of their
beliefs regarding whether or not Isaac Hill and Margaret Jenings were
Susannah's parents. Both Mr. Ward and Mr. Kesler have done more
research than I have on Susannah's heritage so I appreciate their
input. Thanks!
Elaine Clement
In a message dated 6/12/0 5:04:32 PM, Mr. Richard Kesler wrote:
<<In a footnote at the bottom of Page 145 of her History of Pittsylvania
County, Virginia, Mrs. Clement wrote:
<snip>
Captain Clement died in 1780 and is buried at the foot of Clement Hill; his
estate was appraised at L27,604. In his will he named wife Susanna, and
children: 1. Stephen Clement. 2. Isaac Clement, married Anne Denham. 3.
Adam Clement, married Agnes Johnson of Louisa County. 4. James Clement. 5.
Benjamin Clement. 6. John Clement. 7. Rachel Clement, married Capt. Joshua
Abston. 8. Elizabeth Clement, married Isaac Butterworth. 9. Susanna
Clement, married William Evans.
Apart from the controversial Susanna Hill, daughter of Col. Isaac Hill, I
find no errors in the rest of the quote. It can serve as a valuable resource
for persons researching the Clement family.>>
Mr. Kesler,
You overlooked one error. Elizabeth Clement, daughter of Captain Benjamin
Clement, married BENJAMIN Butterworth, not Isaac.
Charles Ward
CMW12635(a)aol.com
In a footnote at the bottom of Page 145 of her History of Pittsylvania
County, Virginia, Mrs. Clement wrote:
Captain Benjamin Clement, born 1700, was son of William Clement of
King William County, who in 1735 patented 1,225 acres in Amelia County
and moved with his family to the latter. William Clement was justice of
peace and sheriff of Amelia. His will, proven in 1760, named sons
Benjamin, William, John and Francis; daughters Elizabeth Ford Ellyson,
Anne and Barsheba Major.
Benjamin Clement married Susanna Hill, daughter of Col. Isaac Hill
of King and Queen County and moved with his family to Pittsylvania (then
Lunenburg) in 1748, establishing his home at Clement Hill, a sharp knoll
overlooking Staunton River. The knoll was an excellent site for a
pioneer settlement in the wilderness, for its elevation commanded a view
of the river and countryside around and could be well defended against
marauding bands of Indians. Captain Clement died in 1780 and is buried
at the foot of Clement Hill; his estate was appraised at L27,604. In
his will he named wife Susanna, and children: 1. Stephen Clement. 2.
Isaac Clement, married Anne Denham. 3. Adam Clement, married Agnes
Johnson of Louisa County. 4. James Clement. 5. Benjamin Clement. 6.
John Clement. 7. Rachel Clement, married Capt. Joshua Abston. 8.
Elizabeth Clement, married Isaac Butterworth. 9. Susanna Clement,
married William Evans.
Apart from the controversial Susanna Hill, daughter of Col. Isaac Hill,
I find no errors in the rest of the quote. It can serve as a valuable
resource for persons researching the Clement family.
please. let's get back to research.
thanks
david
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Monday, June 12, 2000 8:03 AM
> To: CLEMENT-Benjamin-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLEMENT-Benjamin] Re: CLEMENT-Benjamin-D Digest V00
> #37
>
> That's your OPINION. Genealogy is base on FACTS.
>
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Since we are now in the business of speculating about what might have
been, I refer you to your statement :
I would reiterate that Edmund Jenings' grandson does not list a daughter
for
Edmund Jenings named Margaret who married Isaac Hill. This lady would
have
been his aunt. This is the earliest record which has been entered into
evidence in discussing the Jenings family and it does not list Margaret
as a
daughter of Edmund Jenings.
You referred in an earlier message to the apparent disparity between the
social positions of the family of Col. Edmund Jenings and the family of
Capt. Isaac Hill. Perhaps Jenings' grandson did not wish to acknowledge
that he had a aunt who would marry a man of such inferior status.
What are the names of the children that the grandson named?
I have from the library of UNC-Chapel Hill a copy of the first six pages
of a genealogy that was prepared for John Sprunt Hill by Fitzhugh Lee
Morris in April, 1941. It begins with William Hill and reads:
The William Hill of whom this is written settled on Mitchell's
Creek in Brunswick County, Virginia, where he patented 721 acres of land
in 1741. The site is a few miles south of the present Town of Boydton,
now Mecklenburg County. The section was part of Lunenburg County from
its formation in 1746 till Mecklenburg was set up in 1764.
Hill was commissioned one of the first justices of Lunenburg, and
Clement Read became its first clerk, holding the office till his death.
Read was the leader in the organization of Lunenburg. His wife was
probably Hill's sister. Evidently Hill was not a lover of public
office, for he is not recorded as a justice after 1752 nor is he found
in any other office.
This doesn't sound to me like a false pedigree created out of whole
cloth.
You are correct in your observation that Col. Edmund Jenings suffered
financial reverses. In fact, he died insolvent. No will or any other
record of the distribution of his setate has been found. That may be
because he had no estate to distribute.
Apparently, you are not willing to give any weight whatsover to the fact
the the will of Benjamin Clement, which is a primary source by your
definition, named a wife Susannah, a son Isaac and a granddaughter
Susannah Hill Butterworth.
Since you are apparently unwilling to acknowledge that any of my
evidence is credible, carrying this discussion further would be futile.
Richard K.
Richard K.