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Author: terrycleaver
Surnames: Cleaver, Clever
Classification: queries
Message Board URL:
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Message Board Post:
Hi Angela,
Ive just sent the below email to your email address and posted it below, looks like we're related!:
Hope you don't mind me emailing you. I am Terry Cleaver a direct descendent of William Cleaver or Clever born 1815 in Westbere, Kent who married Eliza Newton in 1838, the same year their eldest son James Cleaver was born (Dec 1838) in Whitstable/Swalecliffe.
I found your post on a rootsweb message board and thought it would be best to email you as I don't have a username on there. I have yet to find another Cleaver relative who I didnt know existed related to our Kent line. I still live in Kent, infact in Dover only say 14 miles from Westbere.
Your comment is below:
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I am researching my Cleaver family tree. I have got quite a bit of info but wouls like more. All the Cleaver's in my tree were born in Kent, England. So far I have got back as far as my great great great great grandfathe James Cleaver who was born c1780 and I think he married a girl called Elizabeth Finch born c1790 also in Kent.
I would really like toknow who James' paremts were and if he had any siblings. I know that James and Elizabeth had a son, William Cleaver c1815 who was my great great great grandfather and he married an Eliza Newton c1818, again both born in Kent. Eliza was recorded as an invalid in 1881 and 1891 censu. She was infact blind. Again, I would like to know if William had any siblings. I know that William and Eliza had the following children:- James 1838,(married Hannah Wall and had 2 sons), William c1841 (married Elizabeth Cheeseman and had 3 daughters and 1 son), George 1843, Eliza 1845 (married William Marsh and had 5 sons), Sarah 1850 (married John Asle and had 2 sons), Alfred 1853 (married Elizabeth Maple and had 4 sons and 4 daughters), Edwin 1855 (married Emily ? and had 5 sons and 6 daughters) and finaly Frederick 1859 (married Frances Page and had 6 children). Frederick and Frances were my great great grandparents.
I have got more information which I am willing to share. I would especialy like to find out any information on my great grandfather's brother who was Herbert Cleaver 1893 and emigrated to Canada in 1911 and married Amy Jane Hayward in 1912. Did they have any children etc?"
To answer some of your questions, although I think your posing more questions to me actually! But here goes...
James Clever or Cleaver is William Cleaver's father. That I do know from receiving William's marriage cert to Eliza Newton with the following details:
Married in the Parish Church of Whitstable, 13 May 1838: Willm Clever, 24 and Eliza Newton, 21 Bachelor and Spinster respectively. William is a labourer, very common in the Cleaver line! Both living in Whitstable at time of marriage, Eliza's home town. His father James Clever, a labourer. Her father Wm Newton, a labourer.
Details from James Cleaver's birth cert:
September 14th 1838, born in Whitstable (District of Blean) James, Male, Father: William Cleaver, Mother: Eliza Cleaver formerly Newton,
Registered: Sept 28th 1838
I have not heard of Elizabeth Finch as yet so that is most interesting and I have only recently got back as far as James you mention. It appears that name is a common name in the family hence the male descendent line to myself:
1) James Cleaver or Clever
2) William Cleaver and Eliza Newton
3) James Cleaver and Hannah Wall
4) Israel Moses Cleaver and Alice Joiner
5) Frederick Charles Cleaver and Ellen Fagg
6) Victor James Cleaver and Barbara Ellen Dennis
7) Anthony James Cleaver and Diane June Henley
8) Terry Jay Cleaver (myself)
That is how I am descended via James Cleaver born 1838 eldest son of William and Eliza. James married in 1838 did have two sons, James George Cleaver (eldest) and Israel Moses Cleaver who I am descended from, and we are still trying to work out where the unusual name came from too! Eliza is recorded as invalied in the cenus and If I remember rightly they had a nurse looking after her when they were living in Cheesman's Farm, Acol on the Isle of Thanet.
I believe as I have found them in 1901 living with daughter Sarah and her husband whose surname I have as ASH from the census not the ASLE you have (!) were living in the Faversham area, Luddenham to be precise. It is known we have a lot of relatives in Sittingbourne area but as yet we don't know where they fit on the tree.
Of William's (and Eliza's) children this is the details I have:
Alfred b app 1853 Chislet married Elizabeth b. 1854 Littlebourne, Had children: Alfred, George, Eliza(s), William, Albert H, Arthur, Edwin F, Ellen E, and Louisa M
Edwin b. 1855 Chislet married Emily b 1855 Fordwich, had children: I have 12 children!!!
Frederick b. 1859 Kent married Frances b, 1855 Eythorne: 5 children
Sarah Ann b. 1850 Chislet married John Ash. Two children, Sydney John and Charles Thomas
William b. 1840 in Westbere, married Elizabeth b, 1841 Bekesbourne: 4 children
So I take it you are descended from Frederick b. 1859 and Frances? Although for their kids I have: William, Frederick, Edith, Frances and Mabel. No mention of a Herbert, where does Herbert fit in? Be most interesting to know.
By the way my whole tree is online @ http://terrycleaver.tribalpages.com - do have a look, might make it much easier to comprehend! By the way William born 1815 is also my GGG grandad, meaning we must be on the same generation. Are u based in Kent or UK? Be interesting to know of any Canadian connections, so far I just thought we were Kent through and through, we still are down my side.
Do please email me back with some info and I hope I have helped a little.
Best wishes
Terry Cleaver
Dover, Kent, UK
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