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Ed, Which George Washington Cleveland was your g-grandfather?
I would also like to have a copy of Rev. John Cleveland's write up.
Thanks,
Grace Lee Smith Green GGreen6859(a)aol.com
Sebastian, FL
<http://members.tripod.com/~GRACEGENES/index.html>
I agree about JPEG. For instance, there are some things which must be scanned.
For example: the last sermon written by George Washington Cleaveland (my gg
grandfather) or the memorial written about Rev. John Cleaveland (b. 1722),
which I also have.
My problem is when someone cannot take the time to type something, or to forward
it, & it winds up slowing my hardware. That takes a bit or wwork since I have
10 GB.
Ed
Bonita wrote:
> I scan my sources (census, pages of books, etc) as well as pictures. I find
> that the .JPG takes up the least amount of space and still gives good
> graphics. I store them on a zip drive so I can have them when I want them
> but do not take up hard drive space.
>
> Bonita
>
> ***************************************************************************
> Bonita Dallas / Ft. Worth, Texas, USA
> Genealogy is My Passion bhillmer(a)worldnet.att.net
> **************************************************************************
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Edwards H Cleaveland [mailto:edcleaveland@uswest.net]
> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 1999 11:30 AM
> To: CLEAVELAND-L(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLEAVELAND-L] Scanners, etc.
>
> It has been my experience, with scanners anyway, that they are memory
> hogs. They are super for graphics, but some people have a tendency to
> use them for text files. My son's girl friend's boss likes to send
> jokes & puzzles that way. A woman I know, who doesn't like to key in
> messages which she receives, (& I usually get before her) scans her
> e-mail & forewards it. The result is an incredible waste of space.
> But for photos, it would be super to get the images.
>
> Ed Cleaveland
>
> hugh doherty wrote:
>
> > Info request.
> >
> > I would appreciate the opinions, re: Scanners and
> > Imaging enhanching software, from any list members who have had
> > experience in this area.
> > I have a number of photos dating to late 1800's that
> > I want to try and improve readability. Also have a number of
> > B/W photos from the 20's and 30's that have faded and would
> > like to improve their clarity.
> > Thanks in advance. Hugh
> >
> > Some of these photos are of Cleavlands so I hope
> > I am not abuseing this Lists criteria with this request. :-)
> > --------------END---------------------
> > Home Page: --- http://www.islandnet.com/~hdoherty/
> > Clann Page: - http://www.islandnet.com/~doherty/clann
> >
> > O'Dochartaigh Clann Gathering
> > June 23 to July 6, 2000 - Innishowen and "Derry" City
> > Plan to Go, in TWO TRIPLE "0"
> >
> >
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I was wondering if the Rev. John Cleaveland that Ed
(Edwards H. Cleaveland) mentioned would be the same Rev. John
Cleveland married to Mary (Molly) McCann...and if so could/would
he like to share the memorial written about Rev. John?
Thanks so much,
Nancy
It has been my experience, with scanners anyway, that they are memory
hogs. They are super for graphics, but some people have a tendency to
use them for text files. My son's girl friend's boss likes to send
jokes & puzzles that way. A woman I know, who doesn't like to key in
messages which she receives, (& I usually get before her) scans her
e-mail & forewards it. The result is an incredible waste of space.
But for photos, it would be super to get the images.
Ed Cleaveland
hugh doherty wrote:
> Info request.
>
> I would appreciate the opinions, re: Scanners and
> Imaging enhanching software, from any list members who have had
> experience in this area.
> I have a number of photos dating to late 1800's that
> I want to try and improve readability. Also have a number of
> B/W photos from the 20's and 30's that have faded and would
> like to improve their clarity.
> Thanks in advance. Hugh
>
> Some of these photos are of Cleavlands so I hope
> I am not abuseing this Lists criteria with this request. :-)
> --------------END---------------------
> Home Page: --- http://www.islandnet.com/~hdoherty/
> Clann Page: - http://www.islandnet.com/~doherty/clann
>
> O'Dochartaigh Clann Gathering
> June 23 to July 6, 2000 - Innishowen and "Derry" City
> Plan to Go, in TWO TRIPLE "0"
>
>
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In a message dated 2/27/99 2:33:22 AM !!!First Boot!!!, CLEAVELAND-D-
request(a)rootsweb.com writes:
<< For example: the last sermon written by George Washington Cleaveland (my gg
>grandfather) or the memorial written about Rev. John Cleaveland (b. 1722),
>which I also have. >>
Was this Rev John Cleveland who had a son Jeremiah? If so, I'd be very
interested in a copy of the memorial written about Rev. John Cleveland.
Thanks!
You will get the best pictures if you work with bitmaps (because of their
size).......do all of your manipulations to the scan and THEN save as a
jpg.
Teri and Jon Newton
>I agree about JPEG. For instance, there are some things which must be
scanned.
>For example: the last sermon written by George Washington Cleaveland (my gg
>grandfather) or the memorial written about Rev. John Cleaveland (b. 1722),
>which I also have.
>
>My problem is when someone cannot take the time to type something, or to
forward
>it, & it winds up slowing my hardware. That takes a bit or wwork since I
have
>10 GB.
>
>Ed
>
>Bonita wrote:
>
>> I scan my sources (census, pages of books, etc) as well as pictures. I
find
>> that the .JPG takes up the least amount of space and still gives good
>> graphics. I store them on a zip drive so I can have them when I want
them
>> but do not take up hard drive space.
>>
>> Bonita
>>
>>
***************************************************************************
>> Bonita Dallas / Ft. Worth, Texas, USA
>> Genealogy is My Passion
bhillmer(a)worldnet.att.net
>>
**************************************************************************
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Edwards H Cleaveland [mailto:edcleaveland@uswest.net]
>> Sent: Saturday, February 27, 1999 11:30 AM
>> To: CLEAVELAND-L(a)rootsweb.com
>> Subject: Re: [CLEAVELAND-L] Scanners, etc.
>>
>> It has been my experience, with scanners anyway, that they are memory
>> hogs. They are super for graphics, but some people have a tendency to
>> use them for text files. My son's girl friend's boss likes to send
>> jokes & puzzles that way. A woman I know, who doesn't like to key in
>> messages which she receives, (& I usually get before her) scans her
>> e-mail & forewards it. The result is an incredible waste of space.
>> But for photos, it would be super to get the images.
>>
>> Ed Cleaveland
>>
>> hugh doherty wrote:
>>
>> > Info request.
>> >
>> > I would appreciate the opinions, re: Scanners and
>> > Imaging enhanching software, from any list members who have had
>> > experience in this area.
>> > I have a number of photos dating to late 1800's that
>> > I want to try and improve readability. Also have a number of
>> > B/W photos from the 20's and 30's that have faded and would
>> > like to improve their clarity.
>> > Thanks in advance. Hugh
>> >
>> > Some of these photos are of Cleavlands so I hope
>> > I am not abuseing this Lists criteria with this request. :-)
>> > --------------END---------------------
>> > Home Page: --- http://www.islandnet.com/~hdoherty/
>> > Clann Page: - http://www.islandnet.com/~doherty/clann
>> >
>> > O'Dochartaigh Clann Gathering
>> > June 23 to July 6, 2000 - Innishowen and "Derry" City
>> > Plan to Go, in TWO TRIPLE "0"
>> >
>> >
>> > ==== CLEAVELAND Mailing List ====
>> > To unsubscribe, send a message with only the word "unsubscribe"
>> > in the body to CLEAVELAND-L-REQUEST(a)rootsweb.com
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I scan my sources (census, pages of books, etc) as well as pictures. I find
that the .JPG takes up the least amount of space and still gives good
graphics. I store them on a zip drive so I can have them when I want them
but do not take up hard drive space.
Bonita
***************************************************************************
Bonita Dallas / Ft. Worth, Texas, USA
Genealogy is My Passion bhillmer(a)worldnet.att.net
**************************************************************************
-----Original Message-----
From: Edwards H Cleaveland [mailto:edcleaveland@uswest.net]
Sent: Saturday, February 27, 1999 11:30 AM
To: CLEAVELAND-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLEAVELAND-L] Scanners, etc.
It has been my experience, with scanners anyway, that they are memory
hogs. They are super for graphics, but some people have a tendency to
use them for text files. My son's girl friend's boss likes to send
jokes & puzzles that way. A woman I know, who doesn't like to key in
messages which she receives, (& I usually get before her) scans her
e-mail & forewards it. The result is an incredible waste of space.
But for photos, it would be super to get the images.
Ed Cleaveland
hugh doherty wrote:
> Info request.
>
> I would appreciate the opinions, re: Scanners and
> Imaging enhanching software, from any list members who have had
> experience in this area.
> I have a number of photos dating to late 1800's that
> I want to try and improve readability. Also have a number of
> B/W photos from the 20's and 30's that have faded and would
> like to improve their clarity.
> Thanks in advance. Hugh
>
> Some of these photos are of Cleavlands so I hope
> I am not abuseing this Lists criteria with this request. :-)
> --------------END---------------------
> Home Page: --- http://www.islandnet.com/~hdoherty/
> Clann Page: - http://www.islandnet.com/~doherty/clann
>
> O'Dochartaigh Clann Gathering
> June 23 to July 6, 2000 - Innishowen and "Derry" City
> Plan to Go, in TWO TRIPLE "0"
>
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I'm desperate to find a connection. I don't even know if this is the list
to post this..but here goes.
I'm looking for Clelands- I thought it might be a different spelling of
Cleveland or Cleaveland.
Here's my list:
1. JAMES H.2 CLELAND (?1)1,2 was born August 21, 1815 in Georgia, and
died May 10, 1892 in Alabama. He married SARAH MC CLUNG, daughter of ? MC
CLUNG.
Children of JAMES CLELAND and SARAH MC CLUNG are:
2. i. NANCY ELIZABETH3 CLELAND, b. July 10, 1851, Georgia; d. March 19,
1920, Campbell, Hunt Co., Texas.
3. ii. GEORGE N. CLELAND, b. August 17, 1854; d. February 25, 1949.
iii. M. S. (SUSIE) CLELAND, b. 1856-1860; d. 1938.
Generation No. 2
2. NANCY ELIZABETH3 CLELAND (JAMES H.2, ?1)3,4,5 was born July 10, 1851 in
Georgia5, and died March 19, 1920 in Campbell, Hunt Co., Texas5. She
married TURNER D. DRAKE September 27, 1871 in Alabama6, son of JAMES DRAKE
and SARAH BARTLETT.
Children of NANCY CLELAND and TURNER DRAKE are:
i. TEAVLEN4 DRAKE, b. September 22, 1875.
4. ii. JOHN JAMES DRAKE, b. August 22, 1877, Alabama; d. November 21, 1905.
5. iii. OLA DRAKE, b. November 28, 1879, Alabama.
6. iv. GEORGE W. DRAKE, b. November 09, 1882, Gadsden, Etowah Co, Ala.; d.
August 11, 1961, Greenville, Hunt Co., Texas.
7. v. SAVANNAH DRAKE, b. April 06, 1885, Alabama; d. December 10, 1949,
Greenville, Hunt Co, Texas.
8. vi. DAWSON (DOSS) DRAKE, b. June 05, 1888, Alabama; d. 1979, Campbell,
Hunt Co., Texas.
9. vii. MARY FRANCIS DRAKE, b. December 01, 1889, Alabama; d. August 09,
1960, Prairie Valley, Hunt Co, Texas.
viii. OTIS (ODACE) DRAKE, b. June 11, 1893, Alabama; d. 1959, Hunt Co.
Texas; m. MONA PERRY, July 30, 1914, Hunt Co. Texas7.
3. GEORGE N.3 CLELAND (JAMES H.2, ?1) was born August 17, 1854, and died
February 25, 1949. He married CYNTHA A. ?.
Child of GEORGE CLELAND and CYNTHA ? is:
10. i. WILLIAM A.4 CLELAND, b. December 17, 1887; d. June 29, 1974.
Any help would be appreciated!
Jim
Info request.
I would appreciate the opinions, re: Scanners and
Imaging enhanching software, from any list members who have had
experience in this area.
I have a number of photos dating to late 1800's that
I want to try and improve readability. Also have a number of
B/W photos from the 20's and 30's that have faded and would
like to improve their clarity.
Thanks in advance. Hugh
Some of these photos are of Cleavlands so I hope
I am not abuseing this Lists criteria with this request. :-)
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Plan to Go, in TWO TRIPLE "0"
Hi,
I have access to some volumes of MI PIONEER SOC. bks. and
unless anyone objects I will be posting periodically.
Colleen Robison-Sp.
MICHIGAN PIONEER HISTORICAL SOCIETY COLLECTIONS
============================================================
Volume 9 1886
History of St. Andrew's Church at Ann Arbor [Michigan].
CLEVELAND, DAVID p. 142
Listed as an early churchman with others. Documents were probably
between 1830-1834.
============================================================
Volume 4 1881
Pages 434-6
[Taken from Newburyport,(Mass.) Herald, March 11th, 1873
CLEAVELAND, REV. JOHN PAYNE
B. 19 July, 1799
Byfield parish, town Rowley, MA.
Parents:
CLEAVELAND, DR. PARKER
__________, Abigail
D. 07 March, 1873
Suffered stroke Tuesday, 25 Feb. at Rowley.
age 73 yrs. 7 mos. 16 days
Public funeral-Old South Church
Tuesday 11 Mar. 1PM
Post 49 G.A.R. members serviced at gravesite
Student at:
Dummer Academy
Bowdoin-1817, graduated 1821
*Ordained pastor-Tabernacle Church, Salem, MA 14 Feb. 1827
dismissed 14 May, 1834.
*pastor-First Presbyterian Ch. Detroit, MI 01 June, 1834
*Abt. 1837 Elected Pres. Marshall College, MI.
*Next-Second Presbyterian Ch. Cincinnati, OH. installed
25 Dec, 1841
*Next-Beneficent Church, Providence, R.I. 10 Apr. 1844 (7yrs)
*Next-First Church, Northampton, MA. 2 yrs.
*Next- Appleton St. Church, Lowell [MA?] Apr. 1855
dismissed 15 Jan. 1862
*Chaplain 30th Mass. Regiment 01 Jan. 1862
Marriages:
marr. date: 06 Nov. 1827
DOLE, SUSAN HEARD of Byfield [#1]
B. 19 Apr. 1800
Byfield, MA
parents:
DOLE, MOSES
____, SARAH
D. 01 Oct. 1843
Marshal, MI.
CHAMBERLAIN, JULIANA [#2]
marriage date: 12 Nov. 1844
Exeter, NH
(no birth or death for Juliana)
parents:
CHAMBERLAIN, CAPT. SAMUEL
_________, MARY
Children:
(Susan's by the dates)
CLEAVELAND, SUSAN PARKER
B. 01 Sept. 1828 Salem, MA
CHILD, ELIAS ESQ.; spouse- m.16 Oct, 1867, Billerica, MA.
They resided at Bath, NY
CLEAVELAND, CAROLINE WORCESTER
B. 27 Apr, 1831 Salem, MA
D. 15 Oct. 1851 Ann Arbor, MI
(CLEAVELAND?) HAWES, JULIA [ADOPTED]
B. 14 Feb. 1851
His grandfather was REV. JOHN CLEAVELAND, 50 yr pastor of
Congregational Ch. at Essex [MA?]
---------------------------
Pages 316
Monroe County
CLEVELAND, MR. listed as 2nd. pastor of Presbyterian Church
in, Detroit, MI. [first Pres. Ch., formed in MI.
============================================================
Volume 26 1894-5
SISSON, GEORGE W.
B. 11 Sept. 1819
New York
D. 15 Mar. 1894 75 yrs.
Raisin, MI
married:
TAYLOR, MISS FRANCIS [#1]
CLEVELAND, MISS SOPHIA [#2]
Children:
Spouse #1
4 children, two were:
WARING, MRS. ALBERT, of Tecumseh, MI.
DOUGHERTY, MRS. of Ypsilanti, MI.
Spouse #2
five children; 4 surviving [no names]
-------------------------------------------
P. 116
CLEVELAND, PRES. GROVER mentioned for giving an appointment.
================
C. Robison,
Researching these problems: Aaron Aldrich (NY>MI); Wm. Weaver (NY>CAN)
Almina Major(OH>IN); Francoise Coquillet (Fr. Huguenot) and our genetically
altered food supply. http://www.safe-food.org 4 links
Hi All,
Is anyone researching the CLEAVELAND/CLEVELAND families of Nova Scotia.
Just recently I have discovered that my Edward Drnker CLEAVELAND who
married Harriett PULLEN in London in 1837 was actually born in Halifax,
Nova Scotia. On MC declares himself a Gentleman & his father, JOHN
CLEAVELAND (dec), a merchant. Found a John & Elizabeth on IGI who could be
his parents but no entry for EDWARD other that by a relative Lottie Rose
Smith Carter.
Help needed please.
Jenny Williams (Australia)
kymwil(a)b150.aone.net.au
I also enjoy the posts to the mailing list.
Have "talked" via e-mail with some very nice/helpful folks.
Thanks for all your work.
Denise Cleveland Eldred
PS Norma, where in CA are you located? I live in Sonora (foothills near Yosemite). Have only lived here 6 months. I was born in San Francisco.
Looking for the siblings of Abigail S. Cleveland b. May 23, 1796 in
Wilbraham, MA, dau. of Elisha and Adah (Clark) Cleveland, m. Nathan
Warriner, April 23, 1815, in Monson, Hampden Co., MA, d. February 26,
1829.
Thank you,
Jean Partlow
Terry,
Thank you for this most imformative letter. I, for one, would like to
see any posts to the list for all to enjoy or delete.
Norma Paul
Lakeside, CA
Would you contact me by snail mail at 717 Nth18th Place, Mount Vernon, Wa
98273
I found the siblings of Abigail Cleveland for you. Isent you an e-mail but it
bounced back.
Sandy Bushaw
This list has had several requests for clarification or a listing of the
errors which were referenced in a message by the list owners regarding
the 1899 Cleveland Publication by Edmund Janes and Horace Gillette
Cleveland. Since I was one of the participants who prompted that
"counseling statement", perhaps an brief explanation to the list
recipients is in order. I'll be as brief as possible and am willing to
discuss this further with those who might be seriously interested. But,
I am NOT WILLING to argue about the issues with anyone.
As anyone who has researched the Cleveland (varied spellings) surname
for any length of time knows, Cleveland's in North America can be fairly
easily divided into two distinct and fairly easily identifiable groups.
They are commonly referred to as the Northern Group from Moses and the
Southern Groups with roots in VA. There was obviously some cross
migration into the other geographical area but, not very much until the
20th Century when American society became much more mobile. Certainly,
the groups are easily identified by origin but, up until the 20th
Century they can also be identified by where they lived. Those from the
Northern Group lived in New England or the mid-West and those from VA
lived either there or in points South. For residents in the West, it
would depend upon prior residence. Any generality is subject to
question and this one is no exception however, for the most part what
I've said holds true.
The authors of the 1899 Publication descended from and were primarily
interested in Moses and HIS descendants. They made a feeble attempt to
tie the Southern Group from VA to Moses but, resorted to hearsay and
extremely indirect evidence in order to do that. So, that's the first
problem with the Books.
Problem #
1) The original immigrant listed for the Southern Group from VA was NOT
correct.
For years, those descended from VA have attempted to verify the evidence
contained in the Books. A publication thought to exist was frequently
quoted as the ORIGINAL evidence of the statements in the 1899 Books but,
no one in the 20th Century had been able to obtain a copy of this
supposed original source. However, it was NOT TOTALLY the fault of the
1899 authors that a mistake was made. Some of the information contained
in the Books had also woven itself into the ORAL HISTORY of the Southern
Group many years BEFORE the publication of the Books.
However, in 1858 that changed.
George A. Martin in "Virginia Cleveland Ancestor Discovered" (National
Genealogical Society Quarterly, Vol. 46, Sep 1958, p. 152) showed that
Roger Cleveland was the ancestor of the Southern Clevelands. There is
direct evidence to connect Roger to Alexander. [This was another
Alexander, not the one mentioned in the 1899 Books.]
Following this discovery there was heated debate among the Southern
Group about whether to accept this as proof of the Southern Line's
ancestry. Many objected, as they wished to connect to Moses (which
provided connections to England) and continue the ORAL HISTORY that had
been passed down by their ancestors.
Imbedded within this oral history was the supposition the Southern Group
had connections to Oliver Cromwell, the mid 17th Century "ruler" of
England. As evidence of this belief, the name Oliver Cromwell Cleveland
and related surnames appeared repeatedly among the Southern Group's
descendants well into the 18th Century and prehaps even into the early
20th Century.
About 3 years ago Dr. John Arnett, a Southern group descendent, went to
great effort and considerable personal expense to locate and obtain a
copy of the "mysterious book" upon which the Oral History and also the
statements in the 1899 Publication were presumed to have been based.
The book was written by Jean Prevost, a French Jesuit Priest, who lived
in England in about 1642. Prevost wrote a series of Novels about the
"Adventures of Mr. Cleveland" to whom he gave no first name. It was
from these Novels that the name of Lady Axminster came about. Intensive
research has revealed NO Nobility by the name of Axminster in England.
Therefore, in my opinion, the debate was essentially ended with no proof
of the existence of the Alexander I as listed in the 1899 Books except
in the fertile mind of an author of fiction from which the other
accounts were also probably taken.
When one examines this novel closely it is reasonably easy to understand
why the early Southern Cleveland lines were deceive by it. The Preface
as written in a manner to convince the reader that Prevost was writing
about Historical events interspersed with entertainment. It is quite
convincing! However, the novel itself is full of preposterous events
and unbelievable coincidences. It might be compared to the movies
series "Indiana Jones" popular some years ago. However, the events and
coincidences in the book are significantly more preposterous than the
"Indiana Jones" movies. The obvious reason that this was associated
with the Southern Group is that one of the adventures of Mr. Cleveland
occurred in the Mountains of NC among a nonexistent Tribe of Indians.
Prevost had obviously never been to North America as he made several
geographical errors in the Novel.
Even considering all of this fairly convincing evidence there are still
a few who prefer to cling to the "historic belief" in the 1899 material
and in the Oral History. This is understandable, because to accept
Roger as the progenitor of the Southern lines means that there is no
provable connection to Moses and the line ends abruptly in VA and can
not be traced to Europe.
I believe the vast majority now accept Roger as the original immigrant
of the Southern Group and the predominance of evidence indicates that
this was the case.
Problem #
2) The lists of individual families from the Southern lines contains
some errors and inaccuracies. It is NOT EVEN close to the accuracy
reputed to be the case among the Northern lines. Also, bear in mind
that the authors were primarily interested in descendants of Moses.
This is perhaps related to a very sensitive issue. That issue is the
Civil War or in the Southern mind "The War for Southern Independence".
Bear in mind that the information contained in the 1899 Books was being
gathered in the aftermath of the Civil War. Most of even the middle
aged soldiers were still alive when the Books were published in 1899.
The authors were consequently unable to conduct personal interviews or
even to obtain reliable information in some cases. A "Yankee" appearing
on the front porch, asking questions, was very likely to have been shot
even by 1899. If that didn't happen the resident certainly would not
have told the "Yankee" even his name let alone, the name of his father
or grandfather. It was in this setting that the genealogical
information about the Southern lines was gathered. As a result some
inaccuracies inevitably occurred. My ggg grandfather's family is listed
and even though some of the information is correct, middle names were
used instead of first names and one of the locations was inaccurate.
This would be very confusing to one attempting to verify the information
with Official Documents. That information DID NOT come from the family,
it obviously came from an attorney who knew the family and listed his
name and the point of contact for the information.
Problem #
3) As a result of problem # 1 and # 2 (listed above) Most descendants
and researchers of the Southern Lines regard the 1899 Publication as an
very inaccurate source of information. In fact, many have a very
HOSTILE attitude toward it as a publication of "Yankee Clevelands".
Surprising! No, not really.
Several have requested a listing of the errors. First of all, I don't
even know anyone from the Southern Lines who has a copy and secondly, I
don't know anyone with enough overall knowledge to do it and thirdly,
even attempting to do it would be considered a waste of time by most
people from the Southern Lines.
Unless the genealogy was already complete for family lines by the Civil
War, the intentional destruction of Court House records in many Southern
Counties now makes that virtually impossible except for those families
who are lucky enough to have a Family Bible. So, if you ever wonder why
many Southerners can't forget that conflict, it might be because of
this. That intentional destruction of Official Records keeps reminding
them!
My suggestion to those who believe they have a godly mandate to give out
information from these Books about the Southern Lines would be to issue
the normal "be sure to verify these sources" statement and there should
be an additional statement. That is, "inaccuracies are known to exist
in these Books for the Southern lines from VA".
I'd be happy to entertain further discussion on some of these issues
(NOT the Civil War) PRIVATELY from people who are seriously interested.
------- Forwarded Message Follows -------
From: "brenda" <brenda(a)comsource.net>
To: <pastor751(a)greenapple.com>
Subject: Re: (Fwd) Re: [CLEAVELAND-L] list members
Date sent: Thu, 18 Feb 1999 07:13:22 -0800
At 08:51 PM 2/16/1999 -0500, you wrote:
>...In my own opinion, one of the first rules is that no source is to be
>taken as "gospel" until it can be proved. One such source is the 3 volume
>Cleveland set. Some of this information is known to be correct and some
>has been proven false.
Do you know of a place where one can find the identification of
those
parts which have "been proven false"? I like to help inquirers by
providing info from my set, but would like to be able to also provide
those "this is false" proofs along with it where applicable.
BTW, if there is no central source for this information, it might be a
useful thing to establish. A list by page number would be best.
Dick
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