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Hello Gordon,
Very difficult tracing Irish Ancestry!! I think our Timothy's are 2 different families, yours seems to come from the Kilbide area whilst mine seems to come from a place called Ballymore, County Westmeath.
Kilbride is in County Caven and I know that the historian Michael Conlan only does County Westmeath genealogy. I suppose you have already tried other avenues such as www.familysearch.org run by the latterday saints, as sometimes this throws up some good leads and they keep adding more daily.
If I do come across any more Timothy Cleary's I will certainly let you know.
Regards June
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Surnames: Cleary / Byrne
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June
I recently discovered my Father's 1991 research which involved him engaging an Irish firm. Herewith the results...
CLEARY
The requested search on the family of NICHOLAS CLEARY has now been carried out but the results are disappointing.
At the outset, it was known that Nicholas Cleary was born at Milltown, Co. Westmeath, around 1820. It was believed that his parents were Nicholas Cleary and Eleanor Byrne. It was also thought that he had siblings named Philip, Thomas, Edward, John, Pat, William, Rose, Catherine and Ellen. It was also known that he was sentenced to 15 years at the Assizes in Mullingar on 26 February 1841 for feloniously wounding one Thomas Wilkinson and transported to Hobart Town, Tasmania, in September of that year.
As has already been reported to you, there are 5 townlands called Milltown in Westmeath. The relevant Milltown has been found to be that in the civil parish of Pass of Kilbride in Fartullagh barony and the placenames mentioned (of those who sought clemency on behalf of Nicholas Cleary) were in its general vicinity. It was also reported that the corresponding Roman Catholic parish is that of Rochfortbridge.
A search was made of the Rochfortbridge R.C. parish marriage register, from its beginning up to December 1823, for a record of the marriage of Nicholas Cleary and Eleanor Byrne. None was found. In a check of the baptismal register from June 1823, when it commences, until December 1830, no records of the abovementioned siblings were found. However, one entry of interest was found, viz.:
1826. 16 Jan. Timothy of Nic. Clary and Eleanor Byrne
sponsors: G.Bath (or Ball) and Catherine Sheridan.
This Timothy would be the younger brother of Nicholas Cleary. Timothy may have died before reaching adulthood but it is just as likely that the list of Nicholas's siblings provided is neither accurate nor complete.
The names Cleary and less often Clary, appeared from time to time in the records checked but only in three instances did the forenames correspond with family information.
Philip Clary was a sponsor to a child in 1827 as was Nicholas Clary in 1828. In a cursory search of the baptismal register from 1830 on, the baptismal records of children born to Catherine Cleary and Edward Dignum were found.
The fact that Joseph Cleary and Sally Cleary were the sponsors to one of these children would tend to
suggest that this is not the same family, although in Australia, Nicholas named one of his sons Joseph.
Although at times difficult to read, the records for the period covered seem complete, with several pages for each year. It is not known where Nicholas came in his family. Born two and a half years after the records began, Timothy might well have been the youngest child of Nicholas and Eleanor Cl(e)ary, though it is possible that other children were baptised elsewhere. Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of Ireland (1837) mentions a chapel at Milltown in the same parish and if it were in existence at that time any records there may have been were either not kept or lost at a later date
In an effort to obtain more information concerning Nicholas' trial, newspapers for the period February/March 1841 were checked. The Dublin Freeman's Journal made no reference to the Assizes at Mullingar The Leinster Express (Maryborough) and the Leinster Reformer, (Carlow) were also checked without success. There was no Westmeath-based newspaper in publication at the time.
The Tithe Applotment Book for the civil parish of Pass of Kilbride is not available. The Index of Surnames shows that Cleary/Clary was not uncommon in Co. Westmeath, with 46 listed in all: the name occurring in nine of the 12 baronies.
There were 6 Clearys and one Clary in Fartullagh barony. As the index is not always reliable, it was decided to check the whole barony in Griffiths Primary Valuation. In the search, it was found that none of the Clearys corresponded to the forenames given for the family and none of them were in Pass of Kilbride. However, a Timothy Clary rented a house at Rathgarret in the civil parish of Newtown. The details are given in an appendix.
The part of Newtown in Fartullagh (the other part is in the barony of Moycashel) is not immediately adjoining Pass of Kilbride but is not too far away. There is nothing to suggest that this was the same Timothy Clary who was baptised in 1826. While it has been established that the family was from the Rochfortbridge R.C. parish, the lack of relevant records makes the results disappointing. It is hoped, nonetheless, that this report will be of interest.
APPENDIX.
Griffith's Primary Valuation. Newtown civil parish (1854)
Lot 54Ba, Rathgarrett townland.
Timothy Clary; renting from George Jessop; valuation 4 shillings.
SOURCES CONSULTED.
National Library of Ireland, Kildare Street, Dublin 2
Index to Townlands of Ireland
Lewis' Topographical Dictionary of Ireland.
Index of Surnames, Co. Westmeath
R.C. parish registers
Rochfordbridge Dec. 1816- Dec. 1830.
Freeman's Journal Feb-March 1841.
Leinster Express Feb-March 1841.
Leinster Reformer Feb-March 1841.
National Archives Four Courts, Dublin 7.
Griffith's Valuation Fartullagh Barony.
So, I'm not sure just who gets to claim Timothy!
Gordon
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Surnames: Watson Beatty Cleary
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Hi June,
This is really exciting - where dod you get this information from?
I have just written to Michael Conlan to see if he could help me as well!
Do you know where Balrasna is?
We this really does confirm the information passed down our family.
I know there was quite a lot of trouble in the family because one or two of the daughters married into catholic families!
Jenny
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Surnames: Cleary/Watson/Gavagan/Corcoran
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Hi again Jenny,
It is definately the same Cleary family. William married Mary Corcoran from Newdown and they had Ann, Margaret, Ellen, John, James William Jnr and Patrick Joseph (who became the Franciscan priest!) - I have a very large printed article all about his life! Very interesting.
Love to hear from you again,
Regards, June
PS: Have you read the Post from Gordon - The Timothy may be John and Anne (Watson) Cleary's son Tim?? What do you think??
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Surnames: Cleary/Coyle/Watson/Gavagan
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Hi Gordon,
I have some news. I have found that a Jack/John Cleary moved to Wooddown from Ballymore in 1770 and married Anne Watson from Balrasna - they are both buried in Marlinstown - They had 6 sons i.e. Ned (Edward), Philip, William, Jack/John, Pat and Tim??? I wonder if this is the same Timothy???
Get back to me.... Regards, June
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Surnames: Cleary/Coyle/Watson
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Hello again,
I have just had some information from Ireland regarding my Cleary relatives from Wooddown and yes I am descended from John & Ann (Watson) CLEARY!
John (Jack) and Anne Watson moved to Wooddown 'The Downs' in 1770, john died aged 80yrs in 1836 and Anne came from Baltrasna (converted to Catholicism) died aged 1833 aged 77yrs - both are buried in Marlinstown.
Yes they had 6 sons, Ned (Edward), Philip, William, Jack/John, Pat and Tim. My great-grandmother Anne Cleary's father was John's son Ned (Edward) Cleary who married Anne Gavagan - They had 12 children with a set of twins included.
I have more....
Regards, June
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