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In a message dated 7/31/2004 9:00:27 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
CLAYTON-D-request(a)rootsweb.com writes:
> Pension #R4709. Moved to KY
> from GA. Granted land in GA. Was in Copiah Co MS 1830. Moved to MS 1819
> What does this number R4709 mean?
It seems to me that Pensions that have an "R" in front of the number were
rejected. Many reasons why a Pension would be rejected and didn't always mean
that the person did not have service in the Revolution. Also could have been
the widow had her pension application rejected.
Some reasons were the person while serving in the revolution did not qualify
under the current pension law; did not prove service; widow did not prove she
was married to the veteran (under the terms of the current law).
The laws changed and became more lenient as the years went by.
Virginia Green
ATTENN: Phyllis Garner , Va. Beach,Va.
I would lik to discu The Clayton & Harvey Family information . Please
E-Mail <atpowelljr(a)aol.com> Thank you. WE live in Richmond, Va. A T & Leona
In a message dated 7/30/2004 8:08:43 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
MurrayRainy36(a)aol.com writes:
Hi: You didn't mention where your John Clayton was born-Thanks for a
reply-Lorraine.
Moses L. Clayton always listed Georgia as where his father and mother were
born.
In a message dated 7/30/2004 8:08:43 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
MurrayRainy36(a)aol.com writes:
Hi: You didn't mention where your John Clayton was born-Thanks for a
reply-Lorraine.
That I do not know. I do not have solid proof that a John Clayton was the
father of Moses L. Clayton.
Moses L. Clayton was born Sept. 27, 1821, in Princeton, Caldwell County,
Kentucky. He moved, with his family to Morgan County, Illinois, in 1833.
The early census reports did not list all members of a family by name. There
was a John Clayton in the early Morgan County census reports, but the wife
and children do not show a name, as you already know.
The John Clayton in Morgan County did not show up later on census reports.
In a message dated 7/30/2004 1:37:52 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
Richbrice1(a)aol.com writes:
The Woods and Mayfield families of Georgia, and later in Morgan County,
Illinois, seem to have a connection.
Pension #R4709. Moved to KY
from GA. Granted land in GA. Was in Copiah Co MS 1830. Moved to MS 1819
What does this number R4709 mean? I need some help on this.
Richard
In a message dated 7/30/2004 12:51:24 PM Mountain Daylight Time,
sasilady1938(a)cox.net writes:
She was married to Joel Vincen HARVEY Sr (son of Unknown HARVEY and
UNKNOWN) on May 9, 1782 in Charlotte Co, VA. Joel Vincen HARVEY Sr was
born on July 4, 1764 in Bedford Co, VA. He served in the military in 1779
in SC.1 Rev. War He died about 1836 in Copiah Co, MS. 1. Joel was
called Joe at times.Was Rev.Soldier inSC nd GA.
I have been researching Moses L. Clayton, for about thirty years, he was born
in Princeton, Caldwell County, Kentucky, on Sept. 27, 1821. He migrated,
with his family, via Missouri, to Morgan County, Illinois in about 1833. They
lived on a farm on the North edge of Franklin, Illinois.
All census reports show that Moses L. Clayton advised the census taker that
his Father & Mother were born in Georgia. (I suspect his father was a John
Clayton, but have nothing to prove it.) Since the farm was divided up later with
a William C. Clayton, I suspect he was Moses L. Clayton's brother.
The Woods and Mayfield families of Georgia, and later in Morgan County,
Illinois, seem to have a connection.
Pension #R4709. Moved to KY
from GA. Granted land in GA. Was in Copiah Co MS 1830. Moved to MS 1819
Here is the CLAYTON line I am looking for. Anyone on the list that think
they might be connected to this line I would like to communicate with.
Descendants of John CLAYTON
FIRST GENERATION
1. John CLAYTON was born about 1725. He has reference number 868.
Elizabeth WILLIS has reference number 869. John CLAYTON and Elizabeth
WILLIS had the following children:
+2 i. Unknown CLAYTON (born about 1745).
3 ii. Thomas Lewis CLAYTON.
4 iii. William Willis CLAYTON.
SECOND GENERATION
2. Unknown CLAYTON (John-1) was born about 1745 in VA. He has reference
number 434.
Unknown CLAYTON and UNKNOWN had the following children:
+5 i. Nancy Amsi CLAYTON (born on April 16, 1766).
THIRD GENERATION
5. Nancy Amsi CLAYTON (Unknown-2, John-1) was born on April 16, 1766 in
VA. She died after 1850 in Choctaw Co, MS. Nancy was age 83 in home of
daughter Caty & John HARVEY.
She was married to Joel Vincen HARVEY Sr (son of Unknown HARVEY and
UNKNOWN) on May 9, 1782 in Charlotte Co, VA. Joel Vincen HARVEY Sr was
born on July 4, 1764 in Bedford Co, VA. He served in the military in 1779
in SC.1 Rev. War He died about 1836 in Copiah Co, MS. 1. Joel was
called Joe at times.Was Rev.Soldier inSC nd GA. Pension #R4709. Moved to KY
from GA. Granted land in GA. Was in Copiah Co MS 1830. Moved to MS 1819
lived in Laweence Co MS and on 1820 census. There were Harveys in VA as
early as 1663. If Jane was in fact a daughter then Joel was in SC in 1796.
Nancy Amsi CLAYTON and Joel Vincen HARVEY Sr had the following children:
+6 i. John Winston/Wade HARVEY (born about 1780).
+7 ii. Thomas P HARVEY (born about 1785).
+8 iii. Joel Vincent HARVEY Jr (born on August 25, 1788).
+9 iv. Jane HARVEY (born about 1795).
+10 v. Nancy HARVEY (born between 1800 and 1805).
+11 vi. Mildred HARVEY (born about 1800).
+12 vii. Mary HARVEY (born about 1802).
+13 viii. Sarah HARVEY (born about 1804).
14 ix. Catherine "Caty" HARVEY.
SOURCES
1. Pension # R4709.
A Loving Heart Will Always Know
The Feelings Words Can't Always Show
Phyllis Garner
Virginia Beach VA
I am related to the Clayton family from Baltimore, Maryland. Please
share any information on the following people: Mary A. [maiden name
unknown] [mother], sons - Elger W.Clayton, Ruben Phillip Clayton, Austin
Richard Clayton. They lived on W. Lanvale Street around 1917 and later
on McCullough (spelling?) Street.
1. Mary A. ______ married _____________ Clayton. I don't know her maiden
name nor her husband's first name.
2. They had at least three sons: Elger W.[Willis?] Clayton, Ruben
Phillip Clayton, and Austin Richard Clayton. I don't know of any girls, yet.
3. The sons were born around the turn of the century, I found this
information on their draft cards.
4. During WWI they lived at 520 W. Lanvale Street in Baltimore - from
the draft cards.
5. Based on the pattern of naming, maybe the name of the father of the
three boys is one of the boy's names.
6. My father, Austin Aldridge Clayton, was named after his uncle Austin
Richard Clayton. His brother, Elger Phillip Clayton, was named after his
uncle Elger W.
7. My father did know his uncle Austin, mainly through correspondence
and a rare visit, Austin R. died in the 1960s.
8. My grandfather - Ruben Phillip Clayton, was rumored to have drowned
on July 4 of some year.
9. Ruben was born in 1900.
10. Some of the family also lived on McCullough Street in Baltimore.
11. The three sons, Elger , Ruben, and Austin were not born in Baltimore.
I am hoping some of our information matches. Please share what you have.
Thank you,
T. [Clayton] Mitchell
Daily Local News, West Chester, PA, July 5, 2004 ( www.dailylocal.com ) -
"Martin's Tavern, or Center House, was built in 1750 by William and Abigail
CLAYTON and is located in the village of Marshallton.(Chester Co., PA) In
1764, it was enlarged and converted to a village tavern by Joseph Martin to
provide services for travelers on Strasburg Road."
A nonprofit organization, "The Friends of Martin's Tavern", has been
organized and is raising money to accomplish the restoration.
I thought this list would be interested in this item.
Best regards,
Harold Clupper
Here ya' go:
> Hope I can explain this so it makes sense...
>
> I found an internet site to day that provides both maps and satelite
> images of virtually anywhere in the US and it's not at all hard to use
> (and it's FREE). The site is called TerraServer and here's the basic
> link to it:
>
> http://terraserver.microsoft.com/
>
> Outside of the fun a lot of people will have with this, I was thinking
it
> might have some usefulness in sharing links to views of the farms or
houses
> or cemeteries or towns where our ancestors are or were. Just to give
you an
> example, my father was born in 1921 and lived in a little town called
> Matfield Green, Kansas. The town is in a remote area of the Flint
Hills in
> Kansas and boasts a current population of around 30 hardy old souls.
If you
> click on the following link, you can all see the house my father grew
up in.
>
>
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=14&x=223&y=1320&z=14&w
> =1&ref=P|Matfield%20Green,%20Kansas,%20United%20States (this is the
first
> view you get from space... but don't dispair)
>
> now, let me zoom in on his house (well, the immediate neighborhood
> anyway)
>
>
http://terraserver.microsoft.com/image.aspx?t=1&s=10&x=3568&y=21131&z=14&
> w=2
>
> In case you're wondering, it's the house you can see just about 1/2
inch
> above where it says 100M on the bottom edge of the photograph!
>
> Don't know if people will use this, but wanted to show everyone an easy
way
> to share (just cut and paste the link) some different kind of
information
> with everyone. Best of all, you don't have to go through airport
screening
> now just to see the old home place.
>
> Mike Thorne
>
> Researching: Hart, Thorne, Hunter, Holton, Kearney, Roberts, Wright,
> Shunk, Painter, Logsdon, Clayton, McCreary and a few others as well.
On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 09:56:10 EDT Missdh1(a)aol.com writes:
> Aw shucks.. please resend the original site to do the satellite
> tracking..
> I'm away from home and lost the email..
>
> Dolly
>
>
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Al, not only did you have some great ideas & a gift for 'splaining things
in writing, but you're humble too! I gotta admire all of those things!!!
I do want to follow up on Dolly's suggestion though -
THIS APPLIES TO EVERYBODY ON ALL THE ROOTSWEB LISTS AS WELL...
When you have links, or ideas about how to be a little more
productive/increase your "luck"/knock down a brick wall or two... please
feel free to share those ideas and techniques with ALL of the lists you
belong to. I'm sure a few people won't appreciate them, and a lot won't
read them (and those are okay), but someone out there is going to learn
something that might prove invaluable to them and their family. So Al,
and everyone else, please feel free to share those ideas. They may never
be printed in a book, but that's not the measure of their value anyway...
Again, thanks Al and thanks Dolly... and good luck to everyone.
Mike
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:04:47 -0500 b1caez01 <b1caez01(a)cogeco.ca> writes:
> awwwww, shucks ...goooooooooosh... :-)
>
> You just sit back and enjoy. I would be too embarrassed about
> offending
> those who are "real" genealogists. I am just a guy with the gift of
> the
> gab! Start a file, and publish your own booklet to have handy beside
> the
> computer. We all have our "moments" in the sun, and I just share the
>
> little rays of light that pass my way, when I can. So, you should
> collect "everyone's little rays."
>
> Thanks ...Al
>
> Missdh1(a)aol.com wrote:
>
> >Al, just reading your post invigorates me to overcome my inadequacy
> in
> >history and geography (dare I admit I'm pitifully ignorant in both
> areas as a
> >student of genealogy?).. and "brave" the waters to see the
> potential for learning in
> >an interactive environment..
> > I believe your use of the tools and sense of adventure belong in
> a book
> >for amateur genealogists like myself!! And, I'm not just trying to
> flatter.. I
> >see your skills as vital to the craft.. please don't hesitate to
> expound your
> >ideas and consider getting them into print.. oh, after you "try
> them all out"
> >on us.. so, we don' t have to wait for the publisher -g-
> >Dolly Hickey - Florida
> >
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Al, just reading your post invigorates me to overcome my inadequacy in
history and geography (dare I admit I'm pitifully ignorant in both areas as a
student of genealogy?).. and "brave" the waters to see the potential for learning in
an interactive environment..
I believe your use of the tools and sense of adventure belong in a book
for amateur genealogists like myself!! And, I'm not just trying to flatter.. I
see your skills as vital to the craft.. please don't hesitate to expound your
ideas and consider getting them into print.. oh, after you "try them all out"
on us.. so, we don' t have to wait for the publisher -g-
Dolly Hickey - Florida
Genalogy is not all dust bunnies and old records, sometimes we need
flights of fancy to find a lost relative. The connection is quite simple
for some of us, who have managed to stumble onto it. Please hear me out.
Have you ever been completely stumped? Left with no alternative but the
improbable? Morph into Sherlock Holmes ;)
So often, one can determine where a relly may have moved to, if one
knows the most probable reasons for a possible move, and the most
probable avenues open to him/her - and the route they took.
II will use my self as an example and consider: 1] historical context,
2] family variable, 3] health, 4] welfare/financial position, 5] avenues
of "escape," 6] etc.
I was looking for a person who had lived in Mass., my Solomon Thompson
...but who had ended up somewhere else totally unrelated [Ontario], and
quite puzzling, to be frank. So, with a bit of deductive reasoning, I
put myself into the shoes of that person and the context of the "times"
[the Am. Rev.], and did a little more research as to the "tone" of the
times and his family situation, and further deduced that possibly he was
or was not involved in the War of Independence because of age and so
forth --he was only 16 at the time; the age of majority was 21, but the
age to die was 16.
O.k., I had already found him back in Mass., and yes he did serve, but
it was only for 6 months, at a time when he was really needed, and the
rest of his family were Patriots to the nines. So, why did he "quit" and
then what did he do? Hey, what else would a shell shocked 16-17 year
old, come 50 in war time, do under the circumstances?
Well, more scrounging ...I deduced that he "quit" because he was fed up
with it all, and the Patriot "life" he was forced to live as a more
peace loving youth. He wanted to start life anew, after a few years,
with his "new" family, wife and four children, away from the "front" of
the Revolution and its aftermath -- and the back slapping among more
distinguished family members. So, he propably decided to move away after
sitting low for a few years following his military duty. He just packed
up, and moved. Where did most move to? ...west! The gov't needed a
buffer between the pesky natives in the west of Mass., and their
comfortable pews back in Boston ;) Little did they realize just how west
the prospective settlers would push. Or where Solomon would eventually
end up.
The government trying to encourage western development, hoped to do so
by enticing settlers with the offer of free land [native land by the
way], much the same way as the Brits were doing in "Canada" to the
north. The main route west was the Mohawk Trail, which I had the
privilege of tavelling through this past spring, only going east. On one
web site it states, "The trail began life as a Native American footpath
across the Berkshires, used for trade, hunting, and social calling by
five tribes, including the Pocumtuck and the Mohawk." So, then like
know, it was a major travel route east to west and no mystery to the
seasoned traveller of 1800.
Now, here is were the satellite images come into their real worth. You
can actually "see the trail" [topographically] or the sense of where the
trail was and why the trail was there, quite easily from space. I
believe that you can also quickly come to the conclusion that this,
indeed, was an easy "route" to follow, west through the mountains. Small
as they are, they are huge when tugging along a pregnant wife, three
toddlers and whatever farm-hold items you can haul. As well, by
referring to the sat-image, then to specific points of interest, such as
where certain modern towns and villages are [the maps I use are at
http://fermi.jhuapl.edu/states/ ] one can then focus on the possible
spots where the person travelled through, or took up residence.
Now, further deduction. Folks just don't stop the burrow, get off, and
start digging frantically among the trees in the wall to wall bush to
plant their corn. They are drawn by others who went before and are
already settled. So, you check out the historical towns and villages
extant at the time of your rellies journey-into time. Bingo, they all
pop up like Christmas tree lights.
How to find them...check the historical section of each state's state
web site, then cross reference that with a map and then refer to the
satellite image and plot a possible route they followed.
Now, the real work...
1] subdivide the "route" into sections
2] you must visit the rootsweb lists for each part of the route and
query the listers about your surname in their particalar "realm" of
interest.
3] also aske them to refer you to any "historical" communities along
your route that may have archival repositories that they have used
successfully
4] visit the State Web Site and their respective historical section for
its genealogical assistance link
5] request from the State Archives, a survey of their holdings for
so-and-so in such-and-such
6] refer to the cenci for state and nation for the most appropriate
locations
etc.
Do you see where I am going with this? I hope so, or all my years of
experience have been a waste ;)
Long story short, without satellite images [I am Canadian!] I would
never in a million years have "discovered" where my ancestor had gone to
between Brimfield, Mass., and Prince Edward County, Ontario ...and
thath's the truth [thank you Lillie Tomlyn] ;)
Best regards, Al
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>I'm sorry, I don'r get the connection between this and actual family connections. Perhaps someone should enlighten me. [NAME OMITTED]
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>
>
>
>
Hi Nancy,
It's a tool to share information, that's all.
Here's an example (true): my Shunk & Wright ancestors lived in central Ohio around Coshocton, Licking & Perry counties. In looking through land records I found that they lived in section 2, Fallsberry twp., ...etc. In a county history book, I found a description of this township as being hilly, poor soil, and scenic but of little value. Personally, I've never had the chance to visit this part of Ohio and may never have the chance, but now I can locate & see exactly where they lived; what roads, hills, streams are in the area; how close my Shunks & Wrights were to each other; AND, once I've found that, I can just copy the link of the view into an e-mail and send it to all my Wright & Shunk cousins so they can see it too. Hope that makes sense & good luck.
Mike Thorne
mhthorne(a)juno.com
researching: Hart, Hunter, Thorne, Kearney (and variants), Wright, Shunk, Roberts (and other distant families such as Harris, Logsdon, Painter)
-- NPRAETZEL(a)aol.com wrote:
I'm sorry , I don'r get the connection between this and actual family
connections. Perhaps someone should enlighten me. Nancy Praetzel
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Mike Do you know where your Wrights Came from in the U.S Mine are from
Amherst County Va. NOW: Is it Posible that you may be related to a William<Bill>
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