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Good point.
----- Original Message -----
From: <KerriCW(a)aol.com>
To: <CLAYTON-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Friday, March 30, 2001 11:54 AM
Subject: Re: [CLAYTON-L] Re: Rev War era Clayton
> Re: Paoli "Massacre"
>
> "The nation's oldest Revolutionary War memorial marks the spot where 1,500
> colonists under Brig. Gen. "Mad Anthony" Wayne were surprised and
overwhelmed
> by a nighttime bayonet attack by 5,000 British under Maj. Gen. Charles
Grey.
> A British soldier later said "I stuck them myself like so many pigs, one
> after another, until the blood ran out of the touch-hole of my musket."
(The
> touch-hole is at the firing chamber, several feet from the bayonet end of
the
> weapon.) While this is sometimes referred to as the "Paoli Massacre," it
did
> not violate the rules of war and was "simply" a very one-sided success for
> the British. "
>
> Quote is from Craig L. Symond's "Battlefield Atlas of the American
> Revolution" (Naut&Av Publ, Baltimore, 1986)
>
> It may not be taught in History classes because this event was a very
small
> occurrence in the larger drama that was the Rev War. One may also rely on
the
> good faith and superior knowledge of editors. Sure, Americans were killed,
> sure they were killed in the most horrible way (if there is a scale of
horror
> in war) but one must also remember that the Media was at work in this era
> also. Enlistments were low, militiamen reluctant to fight; propaganda
worked
> for both sides. The Boston "Massacre" was a propagandist's dream -- eleven
> Bostonians killed or wounded by an armed "force" of eight Regulars (can't
be
> called British, yet -- Bostonians still considered themselves Britons).
The
> Boston mob, protesting quartering of soldiers and continued harassment by
> troops, were taunting the soldiers and throwing snowballs. (Think Kent
State
> Massacre) The word "Fire" was heard from some quarter and the well-drilled
> soldiers reacted instinctively. A field day for the press ensued and the
> clamor for war erupted. (The soldiers and their commander were tried and
> acquitted, having been defended by John Adams)
>
> At Paoli, 53 bodies were buried the next day. Perhaps others had been
carried
> away by families for burial. Others may have died later from wounds. The
> American side had another propaganda boon to garner public sentiment and
> raise enlistment.
> Two sides to every story.
> Now, let's go find that Clayton fellow.
> Kerri
>
>
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Thanks, I will see if I can find it
James in AZ
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From: <Websternv(a)aol.com>
To: <CLAYTON-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 29, 2001 10:14 PM
Subject: [CLAYTON-L] Paoli
> There is a new, comprehensive book on the Paoli battle newly printed. The
> author is Thomas McGuire, history teacher at the private Malvern Prep, on
> whose land much of the battlefield is located. I do not have this book,
but
> it is exhaustive and may well have Clayton information.
>
> McGuire, Thomas J. Battle of Paoli. Mechanicsburg, PA,
Stackpole
> Books, 2000
>
> Thy friend, Nancy Webster
>
>
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Re: Paoli "Massacre"
"The nation's oldest Revolutionary War memorial marks the spot where 1,500
colonists under Brig. Gen. "Mad Anthony" Wayne were surprised and overwhelmed
by a nighttime bayonet attack by 5,000 British under Maj. Gen. Charles Grey.
A British soldier later said "I stuck them myself like so many pigs, one
after another, until the blood ran out of the touch-hole of my musket." (The
touch-hole is at the firing chamber, several feet from the bayonet end of the
weapon.) While this is sometimes referred to as the "Paoli Massacre," it did
not violate the rules of war and was "simply" a very one-sided success for
the British. "
Quote is from Craig L. Symond's "Battlefield Atlas of the American
Revolution" (Naut&Av Publ, Baltimore, 1986)
It may not be taught in History classes because this event was a very small
occurrence in the larger drama that was the Rev War. One may also rely on the
good faith and superior knowledge of editors. Sure, Americans were killed,
sure they were killed in the most horrible way (if there is a scale of horror
in war) but one must also remember that the Media was at work in this era
also. Enlistments were low, militiamen reluctant to fight; propaganda worked
for both sides. The Boston "Massacre" was a propagandist's dream -- eleven
Bostonians killed or wounded by an armed "force" of eight Regulars (can't be
called British, yet -- Bostonians still considered themselves Britons). The
Boston mob, protesting quartering of soldiers and continued harassment by
troops, were taunting the soldiers and throwing snowballs. (Think Kent State
Massacre) The word "Fire" was heard from some quarter and the well-drilled
soldiers reacted instinctively. A field day for the press ensued and the
clamor for war erupted. (The soldiers and their commander were tried and
acquitted, having been defended by John Adams)
At Paoli, 53 bodies were buried the next day. Perhaps others had been carried
away by families for burial. Others may have died later from wounds. The
American side had another propaganda boon to garner public sentiment and
raise enlistment.
Two sides to every story.
Now, let's go find that Clayton fellow.
Kerri
There is a new, comprehensive book on the Paoli battle newly printed. The
author is Thomas McGuire, history teacher at the private Malvern Prep, on
whose land much of the battlefield is located. I do not have this book, but
it is exhaustive and may well have Clayton information.
McGuire, Thomas J. Battle of Paoli. Mechanicsburg, PA, Stackpole
Books, 2000
Thy friend, Nancy Webster
I certainly learned something new looking this up.
Why don't they teach these things in American History classes,
and I took it in 1965-66!
We learned about the major battles then,
but I doubt whether even those are mentioned now!
I found that this battle site is now
in the Borough of Malvern, Chester County, Pennsylvania.
>"National Society of the Sons of the American Revolution
>The Defeat at Paoli
> http://www.sar.org/history/paoli.htm
>
>The nation'a oldest Revolutionary War memorial
>marks the spot where 1,500 colonists under
>Brig. Gen. "Mad Anthony" Wayne were surprised
>and overwhelmed by a night-time bayonet attack
>by 5,000 British under Maj. Gen. Charles Grey.
>A British soldier later said "I stuck them myself
>like so many pigs, one after another, until the blood
>ran out of the touch-hole of my musket."
>(The touch-hole is at the firing chamber,
>several feet from the bayonet end of the weapon.)
>While this is sometimes referred to as the "Paoli Massacre",
>it did not violate the rules of war and was "simply"
>a very one-sided success for the British."
>
>Quote is from Craig L. Symond's "Battlefield Atlas of the American
>Revolution"
>(Naut&Av Publ, Baltimore, 1986)
>
>"The dead bodies of fifty-three Americans
>were found on the field the next morning,
>and were interred upon the spot, in one grave,
>by the neighboring farmers.
>For forty years their resting place was marked
>by a simple heap of stones, around which the plow
>of the agriculturist made its furrows
>nearer and nearer every season.
>At length the "Republican Artillerists'
>of Chester County patriotically resolved
>to erect a monument to their memory,
>and on the 20th of September 1817 --
>the fortieth anniversary of the event --
>through the aid of their fellow-citizens,
>they reared the memento..."
>
>Quote is from The Pictorial Field Book of the Revolution,
>by Benson J. Lossing (Harper & Brothers Publishers,
>Franklin Square, New York, 1859), Vol II, pp 164-7
The William Clayton family was in Chester Co., PA,
so that is a possible family to search for this Clayton.
Kathryn Schultz
ksschultz(a)ifriendly.com
>Date: Thu, 29 Mar 2001 16:20:16 -0800
>From: "James R Clayton" <jclayt24(a)cybertrails.com>
>Subject: [CLAYTON-L] Re: Rev War era Clayton
>
>
>Hours before the Paoli Massacre is the following:
>
>"Sometime between 9 and 10 o'clock ,Wayne (General) was readying his attact
>plans, when an old man named Morgan Jones was brought before him. Jones
>warned Wayne that a local man named Mr. Clayton employed as a servant who
>had been captured and released by the British earlier in the evening. While
>in captivity, the startled servant had overherad British soldiers
>discussingban attact on Wayne that very night."
>
>Does any Rev War historian know who this Clayton Was? I know there was a
>court martial of Wayne over his not taking enough head to the message.
>
>James
Hours before the Paoli Massacre is the following:
"Sometime between 9 and 10 o'clock ,Wayne (General) was readying his attact
plans, when an old man named Morgan Jones was brought before him. Jones
warned Wayne that a local man named Mr. Clayton employed as a servant who
had been captured and released by the British earlier in the evening. While
in captivity, the startled servant had overherad British soldiers
discussingban attact on Wayne that very night."
Does any Rev War historian know who this Clayton Was? I know there was a
court martial of Wayne over his not taking enough head to the message.
James
Posted on: Clayton Queries
Reply Here: http://cgi.rootsweb.com/~genbbs/genbbs.cgi/FamilyAssoc/Clayton/10137
Surname: CLAYTON, ROBERTS, LAW, SHIPP
-------------------------
Who were the family of my ggg/gmother, FRANCES CLAYTON??
The only information we can find is that she married William Roberts in
Richmond Co. GA ca 1800, they 'may have been' around Columbia Co. GA ca
1805-1812, and William ROBERTS household with 1 adult female and ten children
are listed on the 1830 Monroe Co. Ga census. And that they had a son named
Charles Roberts b. 1813, who migrated to Texas in 1833. I have not been
able to find William and Frances nor any of the nine (un-named) children
again.
William had a brother, Charles, also in the same census with 2 adult females
(one elder) and five children. By the time he took his nephew and children
to Texas in 1833, he was widowed. We have never discovered who his wife
was.
The older Charles Roberts was b. 1780 SC, William ca 1790 GA. Both households
are believed to have been in Richmond, Columbia, Morgan, Monroe, Jasper
& Walker Cos. in GA.
Others known to have been connected are Elijah LAW & Elizabeth Roberts;
Richard SHIPP & Rebecca Roberts. These May be sisters of Wm & Chas., but
not proven.
I have looked at Clayton records from PA to FL, and out westward. NOT ONE
TIME have I seen a single female FRANCES CLAYTON!!! H E L P !!!!! Somebody
has to know who this family was and what became of them after 1830!
Link: Roberts Family - The Georgia Years
URL: <http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Hollow/4302/roberts1.new.html>
Thankyou and if not too much I would love a copy.
Ruthe Agee
lazyjpa(a)penoyer.net
-----Original Message-----
From: jgpark(a)juno.com [mailto:jgpark@juno.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2001 1:56 PM
To: CLAYTON-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLAYTON-L] Joseph Clayton / Catholics / Kentucky/VA
Someone has supplied me with a copy of that Clayton Genealogy,
but it only goes back to the father
of Joseph Matross Clayton, whose name was Francis Clayton. If you want a
copy, I can send it down the line to individuals if they give me an Email
addy. I won't put it on the list.
The Clayton Library in Houston, Texas, is the third largest
genealogical library in the US. It is free to the general public,
regardless of your residence. There are no check-out books, but, there
is a copy machine that you will be able to make copies for your own use.
Some of the books are too old and fragile
to be handled very much. Much of the copies of the original William and
Mary Quarterlies (all three of the series), Tyler's Quarterlies, Calendar
of Virginia State Papers, and the Virginial Historical
Register, cannot be copied on a machine due to the fragile nature of the
books themselves. Most of the
volumes above fairly well covers Virginia from about 1735 to late in the
19th Century. Records before
that are still available, in abstract forms, about almost all the
counties of Virginia.
Regrettably, I did not copy all the material on Joseph M.
Clayton.
Joe Parker
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Hi Joe,
I'd like a copy please.
Thanks, Walt Clayton
waclayton(a)hotmail.com
>From: jgpark(a)juno.com
>Reply-To: CLAYTON-L(a)rootsweb.com
>To: CLAYTON-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: Re: [CLAYTON-L] Joseph Clayton / Catholics / Kentucky/VA
>Date: Thu, 22 Mar 2001 15:55:58 -0600
>
> Someone has supplied me with a copy of that Clayton Genealogy,
>but it only goes back to the father
>of Joseph Matross Clayton, whose name was Francis Clayton. If you want a
>copy, I can send it down the line to individuals if they give me an Email
>addy. I won't put it on the list.
> The Clayton Library in Houston, Texas, is the third largest
>genealogical library in the US. It is free to the general public,
>regardless of your residence. There are no check-out books, but, there
>is a copy machine that you will be able to make copies for your own use.
>Some of the books are too old and fragile
>to be handled very much. Much of the copies of the original William and
>Mary Quarterlies (all three of the series), Tyler's Quarterlies, Calendar
>of Virginia State Papers, and the Virginial Historical
>Register, cannot be copied on a machine due to the fragile nature of the
>books themselves. Most of the
>volumes above fairly well covers Virginia from about 1735 to late in the
>19th Century. Records before
>that are still available, in abstract forms, about almost all the
>counties of Virginia.
> Regrettably, I did not copy all the material on Joseph M.
>Clayton.
>
>Joe Parker
>
>
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>directed to <cheska(a)ix.netcom.com>.
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Couldn't all these "I want a copy, too" messages be sent directly to the
person to whom they are intended and not on the list?
Sorry, if I sound grumpy, it has been a bad day and if I have to delete
one more of these I think I will scream.
So many things on these lists could and should be handled privately. If,
when replying to a message, you chose to have the old message included
your message when you reply, you will see the address of the sender in
the copy of the prior message and you can type or paste it into the
address spot and take out the list address. Then the rest of us wouldn't
need to listen in on the "chat".
Anita
Winifred W. Clayton was the fourth child of Stephen Clayton, Sr.,
and she was born about 1740, probably in Stokes County, NC. Winifred
married Robert Kilgore in about 1763/64 and they had six
children: 1. Charles 2. Rev Robert Robin, 3. William, 4. Hiram, 5.
Ester, and 6., Stephen Clayton Kilgore. Robert Kilgore was killed by
Indians about 1 Jan 1782. The wife of Stephen Clayton, Sr. has
never been determined.
This is also my line of Claytons.
Joe Parker
At 09:56 PM 3/24/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Do you have anything on William Hix Clayton's parents? Do you have anything
>to add to my information shown above? I don't have any information on your
>line, the offspring of William Hix Clayton and Martha Ann Jack. Sure would
>like to fill in some of these blanks........any help would be appreciated.
>
>Thanks..........Don
Don and others,
According to Alabama Bible Records compiled by Jeanette Holland Austin
SAMPSON CLAYTON BIBLE
Marriages
Sampson Clayton to Elisabeth Drain 7/20/1823
Sampson Clayton to Elisabeth Hill 1/20 1833
Births
Sampson Clayton 8/1/1803
Elisabeth, wife of Sampson Clayton, 1813
Palmer Clayton 9/30/1824
Daniel Clayton 4/14/1826
James Clayton 2/16/1828
W. H. Clayton 5/30/1830
Perry Clayton 1/28/1834
Mary Jane Clayton 3/2/1836
Matthew M. Clayton 4/1838
Solomon S. Clayton 3/28/1840
Permelia Clayton 2/26/1842
Easter C. Clayton 4/4/1844
Manerviva E. Clayton5/2/1846
Laura A. Clayton 10/18/1848
Malinda P. Clayton 10/18/1848
Nancy G. Clayton 1/22/1851
Mark A. Clayton 12/11/1853
William G. Clayton, son of Perry, 9/14/1857
Lucius S. Clayton 2/22/1860
Deaths
Sampson Clayton 1/6/1865
Palmer Clayton 1842
James Clayton 6/27/1829
Matthew Clayton 1842
Daniel Clayton 7/5/1875
Perry Clayton 3/9/1864
Solomon S. Clayton 5/24/1876
Sampson L. Clayton 10/6/1877
Elisabeth, first wife of Sampson Clayton 10/8/1832
According to some internet information about the ancestors of Martha Ann Jack,
She and W. H. died in Alvarado, Johnson Co., TX. We have not verified this
yet, however, we hope to soon.
S Rogers
Posted on: Clayton Queries
Reply Here: http://genconnect.rootsweb.com/gc/FamilyAssoc/Clayton/10136
Surname: CLAYTON, KILGORE
-------------------------
Hi Joe, I am searching for information on the Stephen CLAYTON line. Who
was his wife? Issue? It is beleived that Winnie CLAYTON was his child,
but I have no source of proof. Winnie was born about 1741 and married Robert
KILGORE. Would you have any information on these families?
Thanks for your help. Paula djptjj(a)usit.net
Does anyone on this Clayton list have a Jno (John) Clayton and Elizabeth
(Williams)Clayton in Illinois in the 1850's/60's. They had a son George
Lamar Clayton in 1864. Jno (John) was supposedly killed in civil war, don't
know where or with whom he may have fought. Anything on these people would
be immensly appreciated.
debbie clayton mcdonnell
djm113(a)aol.com
S.Rogers, Joe and all.........Thanks for your reply......I'll give you what I
have.
I show WILLIAM HIX CLAYTON, b. 30 May 1830, Grainger TN, d 16 Oct. 1912
(don't know where), married Amelia Jack, sometime before 1850. Another spouse
was Martha Ann Jack (I know nothing of this marriage).
William and Amelia had three children:
1) James Sampson Clayton, b 20 July 1850, Knox TN. d in Abilene, Taylor
County, TX (don't know date). He married Sarah Calista West, 2 Jan. 1877 in
Alvarado, Johnson County, TX. (he was my great grandfather)
2) Martha J. Clayton, b 31 May 1852 (don't know where). d (?)
3) Greenfield Scott Clayton, b 15 Feb. 1854 (don't know where) d 12 Dec.
1936 (don't know where)
Do you have anything on William Hix Clayton's parents? Do you have anything
to add to my information shown above? I don't have any information on your
line, the offspring of William Hix Clayton and Martha Ann Jack. Sure would
like to fill in some of these blanks........any help would be appreciated.
Thanks..........Don
In a message dated 03/24/2001 2:40:54 PM Central Standard Time,
srogers834(a)home.com writes:
> Don, Joe, others
> I am a descendant of William Hix Clayton and his second wife, Mratha Ann
> Jack through their son Albert Horace. I would be intrested in any
> information you have on their ancestors.
> Thanks,
> S. Rogers
>
>
>
At 10:50 AM 3/23/2001 -0500, you wrote:
>Joe Parker...........Does this genealogy have a line of Claytons that went
>through Tennesse or Alabama?
>
>I'm looking for a JAMES SAMPSON CLAYTON, b29 July1850, Ft. Payne, DeKalb
>County, AL.
>
>His father was WILLIAM HIX CLAYTON, b 30 May 1830, Grainger County, TN.
>
>I would like a copy......
>
>Thanks,
>
>Don
>texdye(a)alo.com
>
>
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Don, Joe, others
I am a descendant of William Hix Clayton and his second wife, Mratha Ann
Jack through their son Albert Horace. I would be intrested in any
information you have on their ancestors.
Thanks,
S. Rogers