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Hello--
Yesterday, my mom gave me the most wonderful collection of records--my
father's birth certificate, their marriage license and his army discharge
papers. I hadn't started research on him yet, so now here goes. If anyone
else is doing the same family, I'd love to hear from you. Here's what I
have so far:
Evidently, some Clayton's came to PA from Germany? and had some son's.
These son's decided to strike out on their own, and each left for different
locations.
My family starts with William and Ellen CLAYTON, whom I have no info on.
They had a son, John CLAYTON b 23 Sep 1857 in Philadelphia, PA d 29 Jan 1939
in Amboy, IL. (All my relatives from here on were born and died in Amboy,
IL)
John married Nettie (Antoinette?) NAZA b 1859 d 1934. They had 8 children:
William b 1889 d 1971, Fred, Charles b 1882 d 1945, Robert b 1888, Lillian m
a STAMBAUGH, Frances m a ELSESSOR, Earl b 1901 d 1994 Nettie b 1891 d 1920 m
a McKINNEY.
Charles CLAYTON b 12 Jan 1882 d Dec 1945 m Katherine BOESEN b 07 Oct 1885 in
Milledgeville IL d 10 Feb 1960. Her parents were Michael and Barbara BOESEN.
They had 10 children, including my father: Charles Jr b 1909 d 1980, Helen b
1910, Anna b 1912, John b 1915 d 1985, Marguerite b 1918 d 1925, Nettie Mae
b 1920, Glenore b 1923, my father LeRoy b 1925 d 1978, Donald b 1927 and
Barbara b 1931.
LeRoy A CLAYTON b 10 Oct 1925 m first Evelyn and they had two sons, Tony
and Larry. They divorced and LeRoy married my mom in 1963 in NV. They had
LeRoy Jr, Marty and Annette (ME!)
As always, TIA and Luck to you,
Nettie Mae
Come visit the Hoadley Connection
http://members.tripod.com/~Nettie_Mae/index.htm
Researching the following surnames: HOADLEY, DAVIS, LEIGH,
COOK, GREEN, ROBINSON, WILSON, and soon CLAYTON.
I don't have any direct information to your posting; however, I am replying in
hopes that someone will have connecting information with a brother or sister
of your William and Ellen Clayton. We have been stuck for a very long time on
my grandfather's lineage, so I am posting it here in case they can be
connected. Here goes:
ARTHUR CLAYTON MILLER b. 30 Dec 1885, 1886, or 1891(we can't prove year-
conflicting info), m. FLORENCE ELIZABETH CREECH 27 Mar 1922, Elkville, IL.
Children: Villa Mae, Earl Franklin, Elizabeth Kathryn, Dorthy Grace, Arthur
Glenn, Sonda Rae, Frank Dale, & Mitchell Ray Miller. If anyone should want
info on children, I can provide.
His story originally was that he, Arthur Clayton was born in Johnstown, PA
and that the flood wiped out all the records. He has listed 3 different
mothers on different documentation as ELIZABETH DAVIS or SUTITIA BLAIR or
PATRICIA DAVIS. He has always maintained that his father's name was FRANK
MILLER. He left PA after his first wife died or she died on the way to work
on the DAVIS ranch in Colorado. From there he served in WW1 and after
returning, he went to Illinois. We don't know why. We do know he made
several trips out to visit the Davis ranch in Colorado. We recently found out
that he actually may have come as a small child from GERMANY and that his dad
died when still young, and that his mother remarried. We don't know any names
or dates. He also has a Jewish star on his marker (put on by the military)
and my aunts and uncles seem to think that even though he didn't raise his
family as such, that he was indeed Jewish. We don't know why he kept it
secret. We have searched far and wide for records on him and have come up
empty. I subscribed to the Clayton rootsweb in the hopes that maybe a Clayton
or Davis will have a missing Arthur interconnecting. The Clayton in his
middle name seems to indicate a link. Anyway, I would love to hear from
anyone that might have some info. and good luck on your own searches! :)
Laura.
Researching Zephaniah CLAYTON b 29 Sep 1787 at Manasquan, NJ and his kin
Tyler ( Tylee, Tyli, Tile)CLAYTON. Both served in the War of 1812 in
Capt. D. Altemas Co, 2d Brigade, 1st Div of PA Militia.
Bob Edison, NJ
Having worked at a courthouse for a few years helped prepare me for my
current genealogy work. The experience has proved priceless in many ways.
One thing I learned was that either federal or state law, I'm not sure
which, requires counties to keep 'permanent' records and the key word is
'permanent'. That means docketbooks which most of us are familiar with -
usually large faux-leather black books with numbered pages and handwritten
records. Those records are the bare bones information - the summary - of
the filing (land records, births, etc.). For civil suits or criminal
proceedings (both felony and misdemeanor) the clerk is supposed to keep
record, by date, of each action from arraignment or some such proceeding
through to the end.
Those are terrific records. However, the real paperwork - any filings for
motions in criminal, any testimony, the judge's orders; the original
paperwork submitted to the clerk for recording births, deaths, etc.; the
paperwork related to civil actions - exactly what is being sued for, any
history related to it, the judge's decision, etc, etc, etc - those
sometimes very valuable sources of information are unfortunately tossed
out. And for good reason - the paperwork takes up many times more space
than do the docketbooks. Counties simply do not have the storage space for
paper that is ignored the vast majority of the time.
For self-defense, county employees will frequently tell the public that
there is very little information that was in the paperwork beyond what is
in the docketbook. From my experience, that is true only some of the time,
but particularly in civil and criminal records, much of the 'good stuff' is
in the paperwork. I have found names of relatives, their ages, names of
friends, neighbors, business associates, and so on in the paperwork that
will never be written up in the docketbook.
Two stories about such paperwork:
One county in the Sierra foothills decided to toss out all of the paperwork
going back to the very beginning of the county - just as Marion County
decided to. As required by law, the docketbooks stayed in the County
Recorder's Office. Before this action began, a local citizen heard about
it, rallied the historical society and they convinced the county to throw
the unwanted stuff in their direction. The county donated space in a
previously unused basement of an old building and the society put up the
money for the environmental controls, acid-free file folders, etc. Those
archives are now a treasure trove that includes a huge collection of the
main newspaper for the county going back to the first issue.
Another county in California decided it did not have the space for the
paperwork and many of the early DOCKETBOOKS. Soooooo, maintenance men were
told to load up a truck, take it out to the dump and burn it. While that
was in progress, a local citizen who heard about this action went screaming
out to the dump and started pulling docketbooks out of the flames as fast
as he could with his bare hands. Unfortunately the criminal docketbook and
paperwork that I needed had already burned. Nobody knows how much was
lost. The man brought back as much as he could to the museum to store.
Yes, the county has a museum that they could have offered the paperwork and
docketbooks to, but didn't.
Moral to the story - Don't just stop with the information in the
docketbooks in the County Recorder's Office. Ask if they also have any of
the original paperwork. A high percentage of the time you will get a 'no'.
The other moral: If you get a hint that a county is about to dispose of
such items, see if the local museum, historical society or historical
eccentric can store them. Of course, you can always ask the county if they
are about to dispose of things too.
Hope this enlightens the topic of county records a bit.
Susan Guhm
bodiebadman(a)earthlink.net
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> From: Bob Frost <akbob(a)aone.com>
> To: CLAYTON(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLAYTON] Marion Co. records tossed in the dump!
> Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 9:46 AM
>
> County clerk says no permanent records were destroyed
>
> By Theresa Haynes
> Times West Virginian Staff Writer
>
> FAIRMONT -
> Local genealogists searching for an old marriage record or birth
> certificate do not need to go sifting
> through the trash.
>
> Marion County Clerk Janice Cosco said her department did not throw away
> any permanent records
> from the Jacobs building earlier this month when maintenance workers
> cleared away six BFI
> Dumpsters of outdated files and papers from the historic building.
>
Yes and I'm from the government and i'm here to help you.
Did you ever see a politician that wasn't slick at cya?
Here's a horror story
Subject: [BP2000-L] SACK ROME, BURN THE LIBRARY IN ALEXANDRIA, DESTROY THE
MAYAN CODICES...MANKIND'S WISDOM MARCHES ON IN WEST VIRGINIA
Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 7:31AM
Yesterday I learned that a County Commissioner in Marion County, West
Virginia, recently sent several boxes of pre-Civil War records to the
landfill/garbage dump. Now the county authorities are preventing any
attempt to rescue the documents which probably have significance for some
of our lineages, especially Lineage Six.
Subject: WV Times Publishes Part II of Marion County Commissioner's
stupidity!
To: SHENANDOAH-L(a)rootsweb.com
Today's WV Times published a follow-up story today (Thursday) to the
original story published on Sunday, as follows:
* * *
Dump off limits to historians
By Theresa Haynes
Times West Virginian Staff Writer
FAIRMONT -
Genealogists who wanted to dig through the landfill in search of the
county's discarded pre-Civil War record books will not be allowed to
excavate the dump. Ron Chrislip, a local historian who has researched
Marion County's past for more than 30 years, said he and four other people
were prepared to go to the Meadowfill Landfill in Bridgeport to search for
the record books tossed last week.
But landfill officials halted the group's plans at the request of the
Marion County Commission.
The day books dating back to 1842 were among several tons of outdated
files, books and papers the commission removed from the historic Jacob's
building, which is undergoing renovation.
Chrislip said he and other genealogists wanted to dig up the historically
valuable record books when they learned the books had been hauled away to
the dump, but the landfill told them there were confidential files among
the garbage.
Now local historians are concerned they will never see the priceless,
handwritten books again.
"I don't see how they will be retrieved," Chrislip said. "As a historian I
have to be realistic. Now hopefully the county will preserve what is
left."
Chrislip said the leather-bound books were particularly valuable because
they recorded everything from the county clerk's office.
"Record keeping then was a very different process," he said. "We were still
in Virginia and documents like that are very, very rare."
The historian said the records gave insight into a lifestyle long gone.
"There is no oral history from that time, no photography and very little
written history. Through the day books we had a great deal of information
to interpret history," he said.
Chrislip agrees with the county commission that the books had no monetary
value, but he said the county has lost something culturally valuable.
He said 20 years ago he had searched for day books like the ones thrown
away and was told they did not exist. Years later he learned they were in
existence, but in "dead" storage.
The historian said he and other people interested in genealogy would have
liked to have been given access to the books before they were discarded.
County Commission President James Sago and Starcher were not available for
comment Wednesday evening.
* * *
timeswv(a)timeswv.com
> >
> >LETTERS TO THE EDITOR:
> >All letters for publication should be so stated.
> >Requests for publication must include address & telephone number.
> >phone: (304) 367-2500 * Fax: (304) 367-2569
> >
> >Or postal mail to:
> >Times West Virginian
> >PO Box 2530
> >Fairmont, WV 26555-2530
>
Why keep the stupid Commissioners???
Why don't the local historians get a court order declaring the dump an
archaeological site and get the dump closed to further dumping until the
site is excavated by the professional historians. Then as part two impeach
the county commisioners and dump them. I am sure this will get them off
their comfy cushions in their air conditioned offices and elect new ones
that serve the public.
you may publish this post.
James Clayton
PO Box 1739
Snowflake AZ 85937
ph 520 536 2413
jclayt24(a)cybertrails.com
I am researching my CLAYTON family line and having a hard time doing it
and then I learn about all the records being destroyed in Marion
County,W.Va.,which probably included some of my ancestors, now I will
never know. If someone should retrieve them, I would like some lookups
in the books.
Barbara
I visited the Fairmont Times web page at http://www.timeswv.com/ and saw
this article. Thank goodness all of the records were not destroyed! I
think it is a shame they threw the old Justice of the Peace books out.
How will we ever know who the black sheep were?
Cathi Clore Frost
County clerk says no permanent records were destroyed
By Theresa Haynes
Times West Virginian Staff Writer
FAIRMONT -
Local genealogists searching for an old marriage record or birth
certificate do not need to go sifting
through the trash.
Marion County Clerk Janice Cosco said her department did not throw away
any permanent records
from the Jacobs building earlier this month when maintenance workers
cleared away six BFI
Dumpsters of outdated files and papers from the historic building.
"Everything we are charged by law to keep was not thrown away," she
said. "No permanent
records, that I know of, were thrown away."
Cosco, who has been the county's clerk for 18 years, said she still has
original copies of wills, birth
certificates, death certificates, deeds, marriage certificates, land
transfers, voter registration records
and county commission records dating back to the county's inception in
1842.
She said her department discarded old fiscal records, pieces of paper
recording every penny spent
at the county clerk's office, and outdated universal consumer code
slips, which record credit
transactions.
Cosco said she is legally responsible to save the receipt books for 10
years and the consumer code
slips for seven years, but she boxed and stored the records for at least
two decades.
For years the Jacobs building housed these outdated records, but earlier
this month Cosco gave
maintenance workers permission to trash the papers including some
receipt books dating back to
1920.
The county clerk said she would have liked to save everything but there
just was not room to house
it all. "The public needs to understand that in order to keep their
precious records we have to have
a place to put them," she said as she stood inside one of the
courthouse's many fireproof vaults filled
with old wills and birth, marriage and death records.
"(Marion County Commissioner) Cody Starcher has gotten all kinds of flak
over this, but Cody
should get an award," she said. "He found the money to restore the
Jacob's building so we could
have a place to put the permanent records."
Last year Starcher was instrumental in getting the state to approve
transferring $330,000 from the
jail improvement fund to renovate the dilapidated Jacobs building.
When renovations are complete, the old building will be used for office
space and record storage.
Starcher, who is also overseeing the Jacobs building cleanup, said he
did not sort through the five
floors of piled papers and books, but allowed the county clerk, circuit
clerk, prosecuting attorney
and assessor to walk through the building and take what they wanted.
Everything else was
discarded.
Local historians believe some records, including 10 leather-bound
pre-Civil War Justice of the
Peace books, were thrown away because no one in the courthouse set them
aside to be kept.
Because Justice of the Peace books are not considered permanent records,
Starcher said the county
could have thrown them away years ago.
But the former Justice of the Peace said he does not know for sure if
the Justice of the Peace books
dating back to 1842 were destroyed because he does not know what the
historical books look like
or why anyone would want them.
"I don't know why anyone would want to look at those anyway," he asked.
"I guess it is all in the eye
of the beholder." Starcher said even if historians thought the
information in the books was valuable,
the books themselves were damaged from years of sitting in a dusty,
nearly abandoned building.
"That building was burned three times and everything in there was rained
on. Some of the windows
were broken out," he said. "Anything in there was scarred, scratched or
torn up."
The county commissioner said the Jacobs building still is in such poor
condition he is afraid to allow
genealogists and historians to search through the remaining records at
the old building.
"We couldn't keep all five floors of junk and garbage and renovate that
building," he said. "We
thought we would do something better for the town and the county and
renovate the building. That
took precedence over a couple of books that might have been thrown
away."
Hi everyone,
I received this on the Germanna list and as I know some of you also
have Clayton roots in Marion Co., WV I thought you would be interested.
Cathi Frost
Here's a horror story I thought the group might be interested in.
<Mike Allen>
----------
From: BP2000-L-request
To: BP2000-L
Subject: [BP2000-L] SACK ROME, BURN THE LIBRARY IN ALEXANDRIA, DESTROY
THE
MAYAN CODICES...MANKIND'S WISDOM MARCHES ON IN WEST VIRGINIA
Date: Friday, June 26, 1998 7:31AM
Yesterday I learned from Pam Mullinax <pmullinax(a)mindspring.com> that a
County Commissioner in Marion County, West Virginia, recently sent
several
boxes of pre-Civil War records to the landfill/garbage dump. Now the
county
authorities are preventing any attempt to rescue the documents which
probably have significance for some of our lineages, especially Lineage
Six.
Information below on writing a letter to the editor of the local
newspaper.
Ray
>Subject: WV Times Publishes Part II of Marion County Commissioner's
Stupidity!
>Date: Thu, 25 Jun 1998 18:09:23 -0500
>To: SHENANDOAH-L(a)rootsweb.com
>
>Today's WV Times published a follow-up story today (Thursday) to the
>original story published on Sunday, as follows:
>
>* * *
>Dump off limits to historians
>
>By Theresa Haynes
>Times West Virginian Staff Writer
>
>FAIRMONT -
>Genealogists who wanted to dig through the landfill in search of the
>county's discarded pre-Civil War record books will not be allowed to
>excavate the dump. Ron Chrislip, a local historian who has researched
>Marion County's past for more than 30 years, said he and four other people
>were prepared to go to the Meadowfill Landfill in Bridgeport to search for
>the record books tossed last week.
>
>But landfill officials halted the group's plans at the request of the
>Marion County Commission.
>
>The day books dating back to 1842 were among several tons of outdated
>files, books and papers the commission removed from the historic Jacob's
>building, which is undergoing renovation.
>
>Chrislip said he and other genealogists wanted to dig up the historically
>valuable record books when they learned the books had been hauled away to
>the dump, but the landfill told them there were confidential files among
>the garbage.
>
>Now local historians are concerned they will never see the priceless,
>handwritten books again.
>
>"I don't see how they will be retrieved," Chrislip said. "As a historian I
>have to be realistic. Now hopefully the county will preserve what is
left."
>Chrislip said the leather-bound books were particularly valuable because
>they recorded everything from the county clerk's office.
>
>"Record keeping then was a very different process," he said. "We were
still
>in Virginia and documents like that are very, very rare."
>
>The historian said the records gave insight into a lifestyle long gone.
>
>"There is no oral history from that time, no photography and very little
>written history. Through the day books we had a great deal of information
>to interpret history," he said.
>
>Chrislip agrees with the county commission that the books had no monetary
>value, but he said the county has lost something culturally valuable.
>
>He said 20 years ago he had searched for day books like the ones thrown
>away and was told they did not exist. Years later he learned they were in
>existence, but in "dead" storage.
>
>The historian said he and other people interested in genealogy would have
>liked to have been given access to the books before they were discarded.
>
>County Commission President James Sago and Starcher were not available for
>comment Wednesday evening.
>* * *
>
>Again, if you'd like to write the Editor of the WV Times,
>
>The email address is:
> timeswv(a)timeswv.com
>
>LETTERS TO THE EDITOR:
>All letters for publication should be so stated.
>Requests for publication must include address & telephone number.
>phone: (304) 367-2500 * Fax: (304) 367-2569
>
>Or postal mail to:
>Times West Virginian
>PO Box 2530
>Fairmont, WV 26555-2530
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Looking for information on this line of Claytons. AM interested in
confirming the ancestory of John Pope and Annie Juliet.
----
John Pope Clayton II
Birth
1794, Summerville, Chattooga Cty, GA
Death
1821, AL
John Pope and Anne Juliet were first cousins. John Pope died right
before his only child, Cyrus, was born.
Spouse
Annie Juliet Clayton
Birth
23 Apr 1801, Summerville, Chattooga Co, GA
Death
8 Dec 1883, Fort Payne, DeKalb, AL
Father
Cyrus Putnam Clayton (<1785-)
Mother
Anne Middleton
Children
Cyrus Putnam (1821-1903)
1.1.1.1.1.1.1 Cyrus Putnam Clayton
Birth
8 Dec 1821, Summerville, Chattooga Ct, GA
Death
28 Sep 1903, Bryson, Jack, TX
Spouse
Nancy J. McCluskey
Birth
1825, TN
Death
17 Jun 1897, Bryson, Jack, TX
Father
George Willis McCluskey (<1800-)
Mother
Mary Ayers (<1800-)
Scottish, red-headed.
1850 census have them in Dade County, GA: 1860 in DeKalb County, AL.
Thank you, Julie Clayton, jclaytn(a)ix.netcom.com
Does anyone know of any Clayton's from Bertrand, MO in the early 1900's ? ? My Grandfather born 1903 in Bertrand, moved to CA in early life. John Marsh Clayton was his name.
Clayton(a)iname.com
I'm new to this list and to geneology in general so, hopefully somebody can help
me with the following. I'm looking for infomation on Claytons from Potts Camp MS.
Here's what I have so far
William Arthur Clayton b. 7 March 1874 in Potts Camp d. 22 December, 1964 in
Wynne AR (Cross). He married Alva Ada ? b. 23 December, 1876 in Potts Camp
d. 3 July, 1936 in Wynne AR. Their 7 children are Rhudell C. b. 1 October, 1886
d. 20 February. 1969, William Grover (my gandfather) b. 23 December, 1900 d. 9
August, 1964, Florence b. 8 November, 1906 d. 1996, Myrtle b. 6 July, 1908 d 14
November, 1990, Marie b. 29 June, 1911 d. 17 May, 1990, Wareene 25 August,
1913 d. 25 August, 1981, Benjamen A. b. 11 March, 1916 d. 14 September, 1984.
Any info on William A.'s parents or Alva Ada's maiden name or any info for that
matter, would be appreciatied.
Keith Clayton
kclayton(a)hytrol.com
M. Hall,
I'm also a California Clayton researcher, but afraid we have no
connections. But, with the dates and places you've got, birth certificates
from the county records folks and a browze thru the CA census records at
your local Mormon Family History Center should give you a good start.
Happy hunting.
Hi Everyone,
I am new to this list, so I will begin by letting you know all I know about
the Clayton's in my family. I am fairly new to genealogy, and haven't found
very much on these folks yet. I would like to find information and
descendants of the following Claytons. They were cousins to my grandmother,
Gertrude Bennett Cleveland, and signed her autograph book in 1899
Clayton, Alice, signed May 16, 1899, Santa Clara, Ca.
Clayton, H. Belle, signed Dec. 31, 1899, San Francisco, Ca.
Clayton, Minnie, signed April 2, 1899, San Jose, Ca.
Reedy, Mrs. Steve (maiden name Emma Clayton), signed May 18, 1899, Santa
Clara, Ca.
Snapp, Mrs. R.B. (maiden name Lucy Clayton), signed June 6, 1899, no
location stated
My grandmother was born Mar. 14, 1883, probably in San Felipe, Calif, but by
1899 was living in San Francisco. Her parents were Clark Bennett Cleveland,
and Mary Elizabeth (Minnie) Hancock. Clark's sister Sarah Cleveland was
married to Randolph Clayton. The above mentioned cousins, should all be
their children. I do not yet know if these were all their children.
Any information or leads on these Claytons would be most sincerely
appreciated.
Thanks,
M. Hall
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digest, UNSUBSCRIBE from regular mail by sending a message to
<listname> -L-request(a)rootsweb.com with UNSUBSCRIBE in the body text.
If you don't do this, you will receive double messages.
If you find you don't like digest, just reverse the process:
UNSUBSCRIBE from <listname>-D and RESUB (use SUBSCRIBE) to <listname>-
(see instructions above)..
Please note: some users don't recommend digest for AOL users because
AOL's mail system often truncates, drops or detaches and reattaches as
.mim files the digests. Good luck.
CHANGING EMAIL ADDRESSES:
If you are changing your email address, you must UNSUBSCRIBE from your
OLD address, and RESUB (use SUBSCRIBE) from your NEW (see instructions
above).
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http://www.rootsweb.com/
FOR INFORMATION ON HOW TO SUPPORT ROOTSWEB:
http://www.rootsweb.com/rootsweb/how-to-subscribe.html
FOR OTHER ROOTSWEB SURNAME, REGIONAL, ETHNIC LISTS & SPECIALTY:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~maillist/
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