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Author: Kathie young
Surnames: Claypoole/Rasin
Classification: queries
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Found the obit for Julia Rasin (Mrs I. Freeman Rasin) in The Sun, Baltimore, Maryland 3 July 1899
She was buried in Greenmont Cemetery. It states she was a descendent of James Claypoole and Helena Mercer Claypoole through their son Nathaniel. Nathaniel m. Catherine (last name unknown) they had son James who married Mary Hood, their son James married Mary Ann Kemp, and their son James married Elizabeth Morrison they had a son John Claypoole who married Martha Ann Brown. John and Martha are the parents of Julia Claypoole. It states Julia and her husband I.Freeman Rasin had ten children, four of whom died. children are: John, Helen who married Pro. Hugo Rennert of the Pennsylvania University, Mr. Carroll W. Rasin, Misses Gertrude B., Julia A. and Alice R. Rasin.
Kathie
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Author: Kathie young
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David C. Claypoole is the s/o James and Mary Chambers Claypoole b. 14 June 1757 and bapt. 28 July 1757. Other children bapt. at Christ Church to James and Mary Claypoole are: Elizabeth b. 17 July 1751 bapt. 20 Aug. 1753, Mary b. 27 July 1753 bapt. 20 Aug. 1753 and Temperance b. 12 June 1759 bapt. 21 Oct. 1759.
Abraham George is also a s/o James and Mary. Like his brother David C. both were enrolled in the Pennsylvania Academy in 1766 by their father James Claypoole. Septimus is another son and is a printer with his brother David. Hester is a sister and her children are mentioned in David's will.There is an Edith d/o James Claypoole who died 1751 who may have been a d/o James and Mary Claypoole.(Ancestry.com)
James Claypoole was married first to Rebecca White. The will of her brother Joseph White,Jr. an her mother Mary White mention her children: Joseph and James Claypoole.
You asked if there is any actual documentation that gives David Claypoole s/o James and Lucretia Garwood Claypoole the middle name Chambers. I have never seen any documents with his middle name as Chambers. I have checked the census,church records, Armstrong County histories and some deeds and haven't even found the inital C. for his middle name. A friend of mine is descended from David and stated she also had never seen him as David (Chambers) Claypole. The documents I have found list him as David Claypole and his wife as Mary. If any one has actual documentation listing him as David Chambers or even David C. I would appreciate if you might pass on your source.
Thanks,
Kathie
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Greg,
Sorry that I can't help you with your DAR/SAR question. However, I have a
question for you! Would you be interested, in principle, in taking part in
a Claypoole/Claypool/Claypole genealogical DNA project? I can get more
information of the process etc to you, if you are interested.
Cheers,
Barry Chapman
Australia
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From: <g.claypool(a)insightbb.com>
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Sent: Friday, August 24, 2007 5:48 AM
Subject: Re: [CLAYPOOLE] Looking for descendents of James Claypoole, Arm.
Co.
Kathie, I have to say that I have enjoyed reading the information you and
others have been posting, as I find it valuable in doing my own research.
Thanks much to you and all others. Has anyone recently or know of any
applications that have been made for membership in the DAR and SAR. I know
of some older applications that were granted by the DAR years ago, but
wonder if anyone has gone through the efforts lately.
Best Regards,
Greg Claypool...Kentucky
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Author: barrychapman59
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The David C. Claypoole who applied for a warrant for 400 acres in 6 Sept. 1784 and paid gold for this property has to be David Chambers Claypoole, son of James Claypoole Sr. and Mary Chambers Claypoole, who was born and baptised in Philadelphia in 1757. It is likely he was named for his uncle, David Chambers, stonecutter and shopkeeper, who died in late 1756/early 1757. After being educated, from 9 years of age, at the (University of) Pennsylvania Academy, it is also likely that he was apprenticed to John Dunlap and is known to have become Dunlap's business partner. Together, on 21 Sept. 1784, they published America's first daily newspaper, and ironicaly for David, on the very day on which his father died. His subsequent life is well documented.
But I cannot find any evidence that David, son of James Claypoole of Armstrong Co, PA was named David CHAMBERS Claypoole (II) as is stated in Evelyn Bracken's work. I also cannot find any instance where he was named as David C. Claypoole either. Does anyone have primary source documentary evidence or even other secondary source references that supports Evelyn's work in respect to this particular individual?
Thanks,
Barry
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Author: Kathie young
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I would like to know where is the proof James Claypoole of Armstrong Co. is s/o James Claypoole,Sr. Phila.?
One source of proof stated is the warrants in Bedford County. It is supposed this land was given to the heirs of James Claypoole for land promised him from William Penn. Where is the proof of this?
There is an early deed were James Claypoole,painter Phila. and David Chambers,shopkeeper,and Edith his wife deeded land to Samuel Faries. James and Edith being the excs. of their father Joseph Claypoole,dec. This land, 5,000 acres given to their Grandfather James Claypoole by warrant 12th day, 5th month,1684 by William Penn. Believe this land was in Northhampton Co.
It may be from this deed that the (suing of the Penns for land,etc.) came from. I can't be sure, but I have never actually seen any document that actually states they sued the Penns. If anyone has this I would appreciate you telling me were you found it.
I have researched the Bedford Co. warrants:
David C. Claypoole and James Claypoole both applied for a warrant for 400 acres in 6 Sept. 1784.
David paid gold for this property. It was returned 10 Mar. 1849 and the Patentee was Chars.S. Cox (intrust)This land was in what now is Blair Co., NOT BEDFORD!
James Claypoole's land was never returned this land was below the Kitt. Crossing near Chest Creek. This is in what now is Cambria Co.NOT BEDFORD! I believe this James is James,Sr. and father of David C. The reason the land was not returned was because he died shortly thereafter.
Mary Claypoole who had land warranted 1785 would be Mary Chambers Claypoole,Wd. of James,Sr. If this was his dau. Mary she would be Mary Peale. Mary and Temperance's land was also in Cambria Co., but their land was appropriated. Maybe they didn't pay their taxes? Hester's land was in Quemahoning Twp. and Septimus's land was in Providence. Hester had her's returned on 24 Feb. 1837 Patantee Espy L. Anderson. Septimus never had his returned.
James Claypoole of Arm. Co. had his land warranted 27 Jan. 1785 on an improvment made 1 Mar. 1782. This land was located in what now is Summit Twp., Somerset Co., PA. This land was resurveyed 17 June 1817 by his son James Claypoole,Jr.
David C. Claypoole paid gold for his property. James of Armstrong Co. recieved his on an improvment. This, to me, doesn't seem like they recieved this land from suing the Penn's.
If you have documented proof James of Arm. Co. is s/o James and Rebecca White Claypoole of Phila. I would be very grateful for your source.
Thank You,
Kathie
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Author: barrychapman59
Surnames: Claypoole, Claypool, Claypole, Claypoll
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Kathie,
For other Claypoole/Claypool/Claypole researchers who may not be fully aware of Charles Willson Peale (1741-1827), he painted the first known portrait of George Washington and is said to have painted in total almost 60 portraits of that famous man. His 1779 portrait of "Washington at Princeton" was sold in 2005 for $21.3 million, a record price for a painting by an American artist. C. W. Peale was father to Raphaelle, Rembrandt, Rubens and Titian Peale and uncle to miniaturist Anna Claypoole Peale. In 1782/83, either he or his brother James Peale painted the portraits of James Claypoole Sr. and Mary Chambers Claypoole. Charles W. Peale also followed in the footsteps of another painter, Matthew Pratt (a nephew and former apprentice of James Claypoole Sr), when he studied with Benjamin West in London, England. As you stated, the Claypoole and Peale families were intermarried and knew each other intimately, so Peale is a very credible source on this part of the Claypoole family!
of Philadelphia.
Barry
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Author: Kathie young
Surnames: Claypoole
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New evidence has been found that shows James Claypoole of Arm. Co. may not be the s/o James,Sr. painter and sheriff of Phila.
Charles Wilson Peale was an artist. His brother James Peale also an artist married Mary Claypoole d/o James and Mary Chambers Claypoole. (Mary Chambers was second wife of James Claypoole after Rebecca White died). Their son Septimus Claypoole married Charles Wilson Peales adopted daughter. So you can see Charles Wilson Peale knew this family quite well.
Charles W. Peale in his autobiography wrote:
In 1762 on a visit to Philadelphia I went to see the paintings of Mr. James Claypoole. He was not at home. I see his pictures and among them one done by Miss Rench, whom if I mistake not he married. After her death he intended to go to London to visit Mr. West with whom he had been intimate, but meeting with a storm was drove into the West Indies. In the island of Jamaica he married and settled there.
C.W.P. is referring to Sarah and Mary (Polly) Rench sisters who both were artist. James married Sarah Rench and her sister Mary was w/o Judge Jacob Rush.
In Christ Church Philadelphia there is a baptism for Walter Rench Claypoole 28 Apr. 1767 s/o James and Sarah Claypoole.
Charles W. Peale also wrote:
A son of Mr. James Claypoole of the city of Philadelphia discovered talents for the arts, and painted portraits in said city. His father carried on the business of painting and glazing, and thus afforded his son the conveniences for painting. Young Mr. Claypoole, desirous of gaining improvements in his art, planned a visit to Mr. West, with whom very probably he had before some intimacy. But on his passage to London a storm obliged him to bear away for the West Indies, and Mr. Claypoole arriving at jamaica, found employment for his pencil and there married a lady of that island, by whom he had several children and there lived for the remainder of his life.
There is a marriage license in Jamaica for James Claypoole, portrait painter and Helena Fraser on 8 May 1771
James and Helena had children: Dorothy, James Alexander, Elizabeth Anglin, Joseph, William, Thomas, Richard, Helena, Abraham George, Christiana Sarah, Edward, Mary Dennis, Frazer, and Anna.
James died 1822
It was here in Jamaica in 1774 he painted memorial to ER which is in the New Orleans Museum of Arts
Evelyn Bracken has in her book it was James Claypoole,Sr. who died in Jamaica, but I found his obituary in the Pennsylvania Mercury and Universal Advertiser Sept. 24, 1784 He is buried in St. Paul's Church Cemetery. Even Rebecca Graff stated letters of Adm. were granted 24 Sept. 1784 James Claypoole, dec. David Chambers Claypoole his son was appointed adm.
James Claypoole,Sr. advertised often in the News Paper of art supplies he sold in his store on Walnut street as early as 1749. In the PA Gazette for 1761 there is an advertisement for a perspective view of the Pennsylvania Hospital to be sold by James Claypoole,Jr. on Walnut St.
This evidence seems to show James Claypoole of Jamaica is s/o James Claypoole, painter and later Sheriff of Philadelphia and not James of Armstrong Co.
I am looking for other descendents of James Claypoole of Arm. Co. to help me prove which James is really James,Jr. s/o James Claypoole,Sr. Phila.
Any input would be greatly appreciated.
Thank You,
Kathie Young
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