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Hi,
I've been listening in the background for a bit and just wanted to let you
know I"m thoroughly enjoying the topics. My mom has been doing genealogy
for 40 some years and I grew up in cemeteries and courthouses, staring at
microfilm. I now live in Alaska and don't get to courthouses too often from
here.
She had our Claypool's back to James, b. 14 Feb. 1700/01 in New Castle DE.
She and I both thought that would be an interesting end to keep working on.
But neither of us had spent much time on it.
I've certainly learned a lot by searching this mail list as an archive. But
the last bit of e-mails have certainly been entertaining. Just finding out
that you had ancestors in different areas gets me rereading lots of history
books.
I don't think I have anything to add anywhere. But someday maybe I will.
I saw in WATSON'S ANNALS of PHILADELPHIA and PENNSYLVANIA Vol. I Written
1830 - 1850 Chapter 90. PERSONS AND CHARACTERS - Part II ECCENTRIC PERSONS
1736 -- ( on the genweb archives) that James Claypoole lived in a dirt
cave with his family and servants the first year he went to Philadelphia
before he built his house -- presumably the brick one I saw mentioned in the
archives -- the Rattle Snake Inn later. I'd seen this before I realized
that this was a Claypoole related to my James. I was hoping I"d have a good
eccentric ancestor. Match the rest of my family.
Of course, this document also said that George Claypoole was a direct
descendent of Oliver Cromwell. So.... maybe I can't believe he lived in a
dirt cave yet, but it sounded good.
Anyway, thank you all for what you've written. I'm going next week to visit
my mom for a week and we'll probably spend the whole time in a library or
buried in her English history books.
Laurel Burns
Here are a couple of other references to Sir John:
DICTIONARY OF NATIONAL BIOGRAPHY
John Claypole - 1623c-1688
Son of John Claypole of Northborough Northamptonshire. John Claypole senior
had refused to pay ship money and was made a baronet by Oliver Cromwell on
the 16th July 1657.
Married before 1646 Elizabeth Cromwell (1629 2nd July - 6 Aug. 1658), the
favourite daughter of Oliver Cromwell. She was buried August 10 1658 in
Henry VII Chapel Westminster.
First appeared under arms for Parliament at the siege of Newark in the
winter of 1645/6.
All children by his first wife Elizabeth predeceased him with no issue.
Cromwell - died May 1678 unmarried.
Henry - died before brother Cromwell.
Oliver - died June 1658.
Martha - died 1664.
Oliver
His second marriage was to Blanche widow of Lancelot Stavely, by whom he had
one daughter, Bridget whom he disinherited - but she fought in chancery and
won, alas there was little left by him to inherit.
Died 26th June 1688.
THE WEAKER VESSEL - ANTONIA FRASER
JOHN CLAYPOLE [Cromwells family after his death] The lady
Protectress ended her days in peace in Northamptonshire with her son-in-law
John Claypole; in general this particular Cromwell family sank back into the
ranks of the gentry from which it had so suddenly and so blazingly emerged.
CROMWELL OUR CHIEF OF MEN - ANTONIA FRASER
He (Oliver Cromwell) was about to be faced with the traditional expense of
any father of a large number of young daughters, never guaranteed to occur
at a convenient moment, in the shape of marriage contracts and dowries. It
was Cromwell's favourite :Bettie, still only sixteen, who led the way since
Bridget, her elder by six years, was still being courted by Henry Ireton.
Bettie's marriage to the twenty two year old John Claypole of
Northamptonshire on 13 January, in Holy Trinity Church, Ely, took place
during her father's absence, although the marriage contract granting her a
dowry of 1,250 pounds was not signed for a further two months, no doubt for
this very reason.
It is pleasant to deduce from Bettie's youth and the slight haste of a match
which could not wait for her father's return, that she was in love with her
young bridegroom. The Puritan handbooks of the period, full of wise precepts
on the subject of family life, are curiously modern in their emphasis on
the real need for mutual liking between a young couple in an arranged match,
since then Love is likely continue in them for ever as things which are
well glued. The young Claypoles did show every sign thereafter of being
well glued together .John Claypole was the son of neighbour and old friend
of Oliver Cromwell's - the Claypoles lived at Northborough, near
Peterborough about thirty miles from Ely, and John Claypole senior had been
one of those who had refused to pay Ship Money. John Claypole, rated by Lucy
Hutchinson crossly as a 'debauchd and ungodly cavalier certainly always
showed himself attractive to women, (after Betties untimely death, he
married again, and at the end of his life his affections were the subject of
dispute between the second wife and the laundress with whom he lived) and if
in temperament he was no Henry Ireton, that too was no bad thing to cope
with the charming and wayward Bettie, a world away in interests and
behaviour from sober Bridget.
Where Bridget won her father by her religious scruples Bettie caused him
concern by her self-confessed frivolity. Some months after the wedding
Oliver was reporting to Bridget that Bettie was exercised with some
perplexed thoughts. She seeks her own vanity and carnal mind bewailing it;
she seeks after (as I hope also) that which will satisfy. Although we must
take Olivers word for it that Bettie was making every attempt to remedy
her; carnal mind, enough vanity evidently survived into the Commonwealth
period to make her take very easily and gaily to her new and loftier
position as the daughter of a great man. But in her father's view, at any
rate, if not always morally perfect, Bette was always totally beloved.
Her slanting eyes, the delicacy of her oval face which somehow managed to
maintain the strong Cromwell nose and still look appealing, her pretty
little rosebud mouth, plentiful brown hair and bright English complexion,
all added up to the beloved Eliza described by Marvell as Natures and
his Darling.
Vanessa Trampleasure
Essex, England
Barbara,
I'm still sorting out all the Johns and James. Who were the
parents of the Sir John who married Betty Cromwell? Thanks for
sharing all these interesting details with us.
Pat
> Sir John
> My research on the Claypoole/Cromwell marriage comes from much research
> into Oliver Cromwells Family. I have never taken face value dates or
> info that appears on the web or on gedcoms I use these as a place to
> start from, I have found too many mistakes in different families.
> Loving history I begin to search out books on particular eras or person.
> There are a number of references to Betty and John in Cromwell Bios,
> this is where most of this came from.
> The sources differ on whether John and his second wife were divorced or
> separated. I believe they were separated, his will begins with leaving
> to my loving wife 10 shillings to buy a ring. Yet I read she divorced
> him because she said he went thru 10,000 pounds of her dowry, (a large
> sum) and fooling around with the maids, plus having a mistress in
> London. (He left this lady after his daughter Bridget, the rest of his
> estate)
> Elizabeth Cromwell born Huntington, March 1829, baptized Apr 1629,
> married when John was 22, they married Holy Trinity Church, Ely, Jan 13,
> 1645 (parish recd) Some sources say they eloped, some they married
> while Oliver was away. He held back her dowry for several month. They
> were well matched, Eliz was very extravagant, loved luxury and lived and
> dressed accordingly. John is referred to as debauched and ungodly
> caviler (maybe not while he was married to her, havent found that out
> yet) Children: Oliver b June 1657-d June 1558, Henry, Cromwell, Martha.
> His son left some monies to the Claypoole family but John refused to
> give it to them and they to sue him. After Bettys death John remarried
> Blanche Stavely had children by her, only his daughter Bridget outlived
> him. He sold Norborough Manor for money, borrowed from his brothers,
> never repaid. According to sources he was quarrelsome and violent in
> nature, involved in several quarrels with the clergy of Northborough, he
> even tore pages out of the churchs registers. Created baronet in 1657.
> Wm Angell, since the mystery of who was married to was cleared up, I
> have very little, the gedcom I found the reference to Ann Sansum was
> wrong. It is noted in a source I read that he was a fish monger on
> London, and Peakirk, maybe he dealt in the trade of fishing as
> merchant,somehow Fish Monger does'nt work. He was the son of Thomas &
> Ann Harley, son of Robert Angell. But since I've turned up a number of
> Wm Angell its hard to tell much about him.
> Barbara Johnson
>
>
>
Vanessa,
What exactly was a Fishmonger Company? In some ways --- a
member of the Court of Assistants and a Warden -- it sounds
prestigious. On the other hand, being a fishmonger doesn't seem
to be what one would consider prestigious. Can you explain?
Thank you for this informative info on William Angell.
Pat
> William was born in Peakirk, Northamptonshire around 1560. He went to
> London where he became a member of the Fishmonger's Company. He was
> Admitted to the Livery of Fishmongers Co. 9 Dec. 1594, became a member of
> Fishmonger's Court of Assistants 1597 and a Warden of the Company in 1611.
Snip>>>>>>>
Pat
Sir John
My research on the Claypoole/Cromwell marriage comes from much research
into Oliver Cromwells Family. I have never taken face value dates or
info that appears on the web or on gedcoms I use these as a place to
start from, I have found too many mistakes in different families.
Loving history I begin to search out books on particular eras or person.
There are a number of references to Betty and John in Cromwell Bios,
this is where most of this came from.
The sources differ on whether John and his second wife were divorced or
separated. I believe they were separated, his will begins with leaving
to my loving wife 10 shillings to buy a ring. Yet I read she divorced
him because she said he went thru 10,000 pounds of her dowry, (a large
sum) and fooling around with the maids, plus having a mistress in
London. (He left this lady after his daughter Bridget, the rest of his
estate)
Elizabeth Cromwell born Huntington, March 1829, baptized Apr 1629,
married when John was 22, they married Holy Trinity Church, Ely, Jan 13,
1645 (parish recd) Some sources say they eloped, some they married
while Oliver was away. He held back her dowry for several month. They
were well matched, Eliz was very extravagant, loved luxury and lived and
dressed accordingly. John is referred to as debauched and ungodly
caviler (maybe not while he was married to her, havent found that out
yet) Children: Oliver b June 1657-d June 1558, Henry, Cromwell, Martha.
His son left some monies to the Claypoole family but John refused to
give it to them and they to sue him. After Bettys death John remarried
Blanche Stavely had children by her, only his daughter Bridget outlived
him. He sold Norborough Manor for money, borrowed from his brothers,
never repaid. According to sources he was quarrelsome and violent in
nature, involved in several quarrels with the clergy of Northborough, he
even tore pages out of the churchs registers. Created baronet in 1657.
Wm Angell, since the mystery of who was married to was cleared up, I
have very little, the gedcom I found the reference to Ann Sansum was
wrong. It is noted in a source I read that he was a fish monger on
London, and Peakirk, maybe he dealt in the trade of fishing as
merchant,somehow Fish Monger does'nt work. He was the son of Thomas &
Ann Harley, son of Robert Angell. But since I've turned up a number of
Wm Angell its hard to tell much about him.
Barbara Johnson
William was born in Peakirk, Northamptonshire around 1560. He went to
London where he became a member of the Fishmonger's Company. He was
Admitted to the Livery of Fishmongers Co. 9 Dec. 1594, became a member of
Fishmonger's Court of Assistants 1597 and a Warden of the Company in 1611.
William was also appointed as Sergeant Accatery or Provisioner to The King,
probably acquired for him by Sir John Povey. This post had cost William
1500 pounds.
In 1605 William was the part owner of a ship called the Triall, with his
brother in law John Halsey (married to Jane Povey), and two others. The
ship was rented out to an Arthur Chambers for a trip to Virginia. William
must have been suspicious about the venture as he placed his right hand man
Roger Bamford on board for the trip. The ship never got to the Americas,
instead Chambers sailed around the English and Irish coasts throwing wild
parties funded by selling the ships tackle. Bamford attempted to complain
but was held prisoner and it is believed that the ship was used for a spot
of piracy off the coast of Spain. Chambers finally dumped the ship in
Ireland and ran off to join a well known pirate.
In 1608 Joan Povey died and was buried at St Thomas Aspotle in the City of
London. It was not until 8 January 1615/16 that William remarried. His new
wife was Elizabeth Eveson and the marriage was probably arranged by John
Halsey.
In 1614 William purchased a house and lands in Crowhurst, Surrey. The house
now known as Mansion House still stands and the church contains the tombs of
many later generations of Angells.
In his will William says And I give unto the poore people of the parish of
Narborowe twentie shillinges, if I be not buried there.
William left numerous adult children:
John Angell who married Elizabeth Edolphe
Bridget = Benjamin Norton
James = 1624 Anne Elliot
Joice = 1608 Francis Greenose
Catherine = 1609 John Pemberton
Helen = Graveley Norton
Martha 1608 July 24 - ? = William Lucy
Robert
Elizabeth 1590-? = 1. 1606 William Watts
= 2. John Hayward
Anne = 1609 Simon Wood
Interesting notes from these marriages:
Norton marriages - this must be where Mary got the names for Norton and
Graveley. The boys were the sons of Luke Norton a London Lawyer, but it was
Lukes brother who was more famous. Thomas Norton was married firstly to
Margery Cranmer, the daughter of Thomas the Archbishop of Canterbury who had
been key in the split with Rome and was burnt at the stake by Bloody Mary
and then to her cousin Alice Cranmer. Thomas was a poet, playwright
(co-wrote the first English tragedy), and MP. Thomas was probably one of
the most active puritan MPs in Elizabeth I parliaments, he was also in
charge of torturing them at the Tower of London, he acquired the nickname
Rackmaster General. Other members of this Norton family were early settlers
in the Americas.
Catherine Angell who married John Pemberton is the only link I have found so
far with the Rhode Island co-founder Thomas Angell. Leader of Thomas group
was Dr Roger Williams, the son of John Pembertons aunt Alice.
Martha Angell married William Lucy a clergyman. William was the son of Sir
Thomas Lucy of Charlecote and famed for supposedly prosecuting William
Shakespeare for poaching deer on his lands. William was a staunch royalist
and lost all of his vast library during the Civil War - his reward for his
loyalty was to be made Bishop of St. Davids in Wales after the Restoration.
Elizabeth Angells first marriage to the young lawyer William Watts also
placed her in a powerful London Merchant family. Williams father Sir John
(d. 1616) was a merchant and shipowner; served in one of his own ships
against the Armada, 1588; fitted out privateers; alderman of London;
governor of the East India Company, 1601; knighted, 1603; an active member
of the Virginia Company.
As to the Poveys - well there may still be some connection between them and
the Claypole migrations. Joan's brother Justinian was auditor of the
exchequer and accountant general to Anne of Denmark (he was involved in
business dealings with William Angell). Justinian had a glittering
collection of sons, Thomas a civil servant and friend of Samuel Pepys (who
described him as cunning), Richard missioner general of provisions Jamaica,
and William Provost Marshal Barbados. Could having a cousin running the
show in Barbados have been an influence on Edward Claypoole?
I hope the above has answered some of questions about William Angell.
Vanessa Trampleasure
Essex, England
That's whay I have also?
Can you help us straighten it out when you get the time?
At 08:21 AM 4/12/99 -0700, you wrote:
>-------
> Thanks so much for all the information you have sent in your replies. I do
> indeed have a James and Mary Cann, but had Elizabeth as his youngest sister,
> rather than his daughter. Do you have a list of Elizabeth's brothers and
> sisters? Thanks so much. Annie in sunny Idaho.
>
> Acken, Anderson, Atkinson, Bagby, Billups, Carter, Casey, Chandlers, Emert,
> Kifer, Littell, Longshore, Moore, Pettyjohn, Regan/Ragan, Scarborough,
Sloan,
> Trigg, Webster, Welty, Williamson
>
> ______________________________
>
>
>
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>Join the CLAYPOOL GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH GROUP. To Register
>your CLAYPOOL linage go to Sherranlynn's Place
>http://www.GeoCities.com/Heartland/Plains/7410/skincaid/
>
Please post the background on William and the Cromwells also.
Thanks
At 08:39 PM 4/17/99 -0400, you wrote:
>Have meant to ignore your request but some family matters required my
attention. I'll
>send you through the info tomorrow. PROMISE
>Barbara
>
>"J.L. McKenzie" wrote:
>
>> Hi Barbara,
>>
>> I would very much like to have information on both marriages,
>> William's background and the Cromwells please.
>> I'm also descended from these folks through Norton.
>> (Sorry I can't help out with any info about his wife, Rachel, though.)
>>
>> Jan McKenzie
>> jmckenzi(a)erols.com
>> My Claypool's are shown here: (but only through Norton -
>> haven't had time to update the page.)
>> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/4808/clifton.html
>>
>> Barbara Johnson <patch227(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >
>> > I show both, ann and joan. Perhaps he married twice. I also have a
small background
>> > on William Angell if anyone wants it. I have also done some research
into Sir John
>> > & Elizabeth Cromwell and dates if its wanted.
>> > Barbara Johnson
>> >
>> > Antoinette Waughtel Sorensen wrote:
>> >
>> > > So do I.
>> > > Antoinette
>> > > waughtel(a)oz.net
>> > > http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/savannah/252/homepage.htm
>> > >
>> > > Sherranlynn Kincaid Nichols wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > I have William Angell mar. to Joan Provey
>> > > >
>> > > > >> > Annie wrote:
>> > > > >> >
>> > > > >> > > 1.Am descended from Elizabeth Claypoole b. 16 May 1687 in
Sussex Co.,
>> > > > >> > Delaware. Md. <1715> to
>> > > > >> > > William Pettyjohn
>> > > > >> > > 2.Her father was Norton Claypoole b. 1640 London, England md.
>> > > > Rachel R. b.
>> > > > >> > 1644 in Northa. Co. England
>> > > > >> > > 3. John Claypoole b. 13 Apr 1595 Northa. Engl. md. Mary
Angell b. 1601
>> > > > >> > London dau of William
>> > > > >> > > Angell b. 1576 in London md. Ann Sanson b. <1550>
England
>> > >
>> > > ==== CLAYPOOL Mailing List ====
>> > > Join the CLAYPOOL GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH GROUP. To Register
>> > > your CLAYPOOL linage go to Sherranlynn's Place
>> > > http://www.GeoCities.com/Heartland/Plains/7410/skincaid/
>>
>> --
>>
>> Never forget that the probability of a miracle, although
>> infinitesimally small, is not exactly zero.
>
Have meant to ignore your request but some family matters required my attention. I'll
send you through the info tomorrow. PROMISE
Barbara
"J.L. McKenzie" wrote:
> Hi Barbara,
>
> I would very much like to have information on both marriages,
> William's background and the Cromwells please.
> I'm also descended from these folks through Norton.
> (Sorry I can't help out with any info about his wife, Rachel, though.)
>
> Jan McKenzie
> jmckenzi(a)erols.com
> My Claypool's are shown here: (but only through Norton -
> haven't had time to update the page.)
> http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/4808/clifton.html
>
> Barbara Johnson <patch227(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > I show both, ann and joan. Perhaps he married twice. I also have a small background
> > on William Angell if anyone wants it. I have also done some research into Sir John
> > & Elizabeth Cromwell and dates if its wanted.
> > Barbara Johnson
> >
> > Antoinette Waughtel Sorensen wrote:
> >
> > > So do I.
> > > Antoinette
> > > waughtel(a)oz.net
> > > http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/savannah/252/homepage.htm
> > >
> > > Sherranlynn Kincaid Nichols wrote:
> > >
> > > > I have William Angell mar. to Joan Provey
> > > >
> > > > >> > Annie wrote:
> > > > >> >
> > > > >> > > 1.Am descended from Elizabeth Claypoole b. 16 May 1687 in Sussex Co.,
> > > > >> > Delaware. Md. <1715> to
> > > > >> > > William Pettyjohn
> > > > >> > > 2.Her father was Norton Claypoole b. 1640 London, England md.
> > > > Rachel R. b.
> > > > >> > 1644 in Northa. Co. England
> > > > >> > > 3. John Claypoole b. 13 Apr 1595 Northa. Engl. md. Mary Angell b. 1601
> > > > >> > London dau of William
> > > > >> > > Angell b. 1576 in London md. Ann Sanson b. <1550> England
> > >
> > > ==== CLAYPOOL Mailing List ====
> > > Join the CLAYPOOL GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH GROUP. To Register
> > > your CLAYPOOL linage go to Sherranlynn's Place
> > > http://www.GeoCities.com/Heartland/Plains/7410/skincaid/
>
> --
>
> Never forget that the probability of a miracle, although
> infinitesimally small, is not exactly zero.
Yes we are not far off Oliver Cromwell's 400th birthday!
I doubt he would appreciate music, dancing and toasting - but then - that
has never stopped me from celebrating.
Vanessa Trampleasure
Essex, England
Glas, please keep me posted on all this. I haven't had chance to check out my
material and give my input (pro or con) as my husband was diagnosed with colon cancer
Friday and was in Surgery yesterday and I just caught up on some much needed sleep.
Will be back at the hospital today (naturally and every day he's there) so I will get
behind but do appreciate your including me in this message "communication".
Although for the time being you can skim through my CLAYPOOL/E (several spellings
included) line on my webpage under the Wilcox/Sinex Genealogy Database and tell me
where I "am" right or wrong so that I can go through this with reference to the e-mail
communications. Thanks, Gals. My home page is at
http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/savannah/252/homepage.htm
Take care.
Antoinette
waughtel(a)oz.net
Barbara Johnson wrote:
> Ann
> I show James & Mary as having 3 children baptized by George Keith in 1702,
> Elizabeth born about 1697, dying 1767, James 2/14/1701, and an unknown child born
> 1702.
> If you don't have the info on James' youngest sister Elizabeth as written by their
> father it is "My daughter Elizabeth was borne the 25th day 5 month 1678 at halfe
> past 6 in the morning in Scots Yard" "My Daughter Elizabeth departed this life
> the 31st 5 month 1678 about the 9th hour at night and was buryed in friends
> burying place by Moorfields." The fifth month being July, quaker dating.
> Barbara
>
> Annie wrote:
>
> > -------
> > Thanks so much for all the information you have sent in your replies. I do
> > indeed have a James and Mary Cann, but had Elizabeth as his youngest sister,
> > rather than his daughter. Do you have a list of Elizabeth's brothers and
> > sisters? Thanks so much. Annie in sunny Idaho.
> >
> > Acken, Anderson, Atkinson, Bagby, Billups, Carter, Casey, Chandlers, Emert,
> > Kifer, Littell, Longshore, Moore, Pettyjohn, Regan/Ragan, Scarborough, Sloan,
> > Trigg, Webster, Welty, Williamson
> >
> > ______________________________
> >
> > ==== CLAYPOOL Mailing List ====
> > Join the CLAYPOOL GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH GROUP. To Register
> > your CLAYPOOL linage go to Sherranlynn's Place
> > http://www.GeoCities.com/Heartland/Plains/7410/skincaid/
--
Researching:
Alkire, Breckenridge, Burton, Cann, Claypool(e), Denton, Daugherty, Dunbar, Evans,
Gorrell, Hagan, Jimenez, Keel, Keith, Kern/es, Ladner, Lawler, Leffler, Littell,
Merrifield, Norris, Pettyjohn, Ponsler, Robertson, Robinson, Rogers, Sinex,
Sinnickson, Stiddem/Stidham, Tossawa/Tussey, Vantreese, Wachtel/Waughtel, Walker,
White, Wilcox, Winfield
Barbara & Ann,
I also have three children for James & Mary Cann......
Elizabeth.........no dates
James, b. 14 Feb 1701 Sussex Co., DE; d. 7 Oct 1789 Lost City,
VA (now Hardy Co., WV)
Norton.........no dates
I had major computer problems and lost a lot of info -- still don't
have everything re-installed. The above info I found in some of my
paper notes.
Barbara, I had the sister Elizabeth's month of birth & death as
May. I know nothing about Quaker dating. Could you tell me
more or if there is a website where I could learn more. I wonder
now if I have all the dates with the month incorrect on the siblings
of Elizabeth. Could I send my list for you to check? I can't do it
until Friday as I have two projects that need my attention today and
tomorrow.
Thanks,
Pat
> Ann
> I show James & Mary as having 3 children baptized by George Keith in 1702,
> Elizabeth born about 1697, dying 1767, James 2/14/1701, and an unknown child born
> 1702.
> If you don't have the info on James' youngest sister Elizabeth as written by their
> father it is "My daughter Elizabeth was borne the 25th day 5 month 1678 at halfe
> past 6 in the morning in Scots Yard" "My Daughter Elizabeth departed this life
> the 31st 5 month 1678 about the 9th hour at night and was buryed in friends
> burying place by Moorfields." The fifth month being July, quaker dating.
> Barbara
Ann
I show James & Mary as having 3 children baptized by George Keith in 1702,
Elizabeth born about 1697, dying 1767, James 2/14/1701, and an unknown child born
1702.
If you don't have the info on James' youngest sister Elizabeth as written by their
father it is "My daughter Elizabeth was borne the 25th day 5 month 1678 at halfe
past 6 in the morning in Scots Yard" "My Daughter Elizabeth departed this life
the 31st 5 month 1678 about the 9th hour at night and was buryed in friends
burying place by Moorfields." The fifth month being July, quaker dating.
Barbara
Annie wrote:
> -------
> Thanks so much for all the information you have sent in your replies. I do
> indeed have a James and Mary Cann, but had Elizabeth as his youngest sister,
> rather than his daughter. Do you have a list of Elizabeth's brothers and
> sisters? Thanks so much. Annie in sunny Idaho.
>
> Acken, Anderson, Atkinson, Bagby, Billups, Carter, Casey, Chandlers, Emert,
> Kifer, Littell, Longshore, Moore, Pettyjohn, Regan/Ragan, Scarborough, Sloan,
> Trigg, Webster, Welty, Williamson
>
> ______________________________
>
> ==== CLAYPOOL Mailing List ====
> Join the CLAYPOOL GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH GROUP. To Register
> your CLAYPOOL linage go to Sherranlynn's Place
> http://www.GeoCities.com/Heartland/Plains/7410/skincaid/
Thanks for providing the information. The name of Sansum came to me through a
Family Treemaker CD, I learned sometime ago not to put a lot of faith in those
unless there is verification with it.
Barbara Johnson
Vanessa Trampleasure wrote:
> William Angell was married to Joan Povey - someone somewhere has mixed the
> Angell family up a bit as Anne Sansum was the wife of William's brother
> Thomas.
>
> The Angell family came from just a few miles up the road from Northborough,
> the village of Peakirk.
>
> Joan Povey was the daughter of John Povey a wealthy member of the
> Embroiderers company. John Povey had moved to London from Cheshire and had
> connections at Court.
>
> All of William Angell's children who were included within the Herald's
> Visitations claim descent from Joan Povey. The last of the direct male line
> who died in 1784 had his Coat of Arms carved above the gate to his house at
> Stockwell Park, these arms were quartered, one of the quarters was Povey.
>
> Vanessa Trampleasure
> Essex, England
Vanessa,
Thank you for sharing the information on Joan Povey. This time
the information goes directly to my Claypool files. I know better
than to trust my memory.
Pat
> William Angell was married to Joan Povey - someone somewhere has mixed the
> Angell family up a bit as Anne Sansum was the wife of William's brother
> Thomas.
>
> The Angell family came from just a few miles up the road from Northborough,
> the village of Peakirk.
>
> Joan Povey was the daughter of John Povey a wealthy member of the
> Embroiderers company. John Povey had moved to London from Cheshire and had
> connections at Court.
>
> All of William Angell's children who were included within the Herald's
> Visitations claim descent from Joan Povey. The last of the direct male line
> who died in 1784 had his Coat of Arms carved above the gate to his house at
> Stockwell Park, these arms were quartered, one of the quarters was Povey.
>
>
> Vanessa Trampleasure
> Essex, England
>
>
William Angell was married to Joan Povey - someone somewhere has mixed the
Angell family up a bit as Anne Sansum was the wife of William's brother
Thomas.
The Angell family came from just a few miles up the road from Northborough,
the village of Peakirk.
Joan Povey was the daughter of John Povey a wealthy member of the
Embroiderers company. John Povey had moved to London from Cheshire and had
connections at Court.
All of William Angell's children who were included within the Herald's
Visitations claim descent from Joan Povey. The last of the direct male line
who died in 1784 had his Coat of Arms carved above the gate to his house at
Stockwell Park, these arms were quartered, one of the quarters was Povey.
Vanessa Trampleasure
Essex, England
Hi all,
About 6 or 8 months ago there was a discussion about whether
William Angell was married to Ann Samson or Joan Povey. I can't
find the printouts of this information and can only remember bits of
what was said. I believe it was settled that he was married to
Joan Povey. I think Ann Samson was married to a brother of
William.
The person who supplied this information along with sources is
possibly no longer subscribed to this list. I did locate her name
and email address if anyone would like to contact her.
Vanessa Trampleasure of Essex, England
<vanessa.trampleasure(a)LineOne.net>
Pat
> I show both, ann and joan. Perhaps he married twice. I also have a small background
> on William Angell if anyone wants it. I have also done some research into Sir John
> & Elizabeth Cromwell and dates if its wanted.
> Barbara Johnson
>
> Antoinette Waughtel Sorensen wrote:
>
> > So do I.
> > Antoinette
> > waughtel(a)oz.net
> > http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/savannah/252/homepage.htm
> >
> > Sherranlynn Kincaid Nichols wrote:
> >
> > > I have William Angell mar. to Joan Provey
> > >
> > > >> > Annie wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > 1.Am descended from Elizabeth Claypoole b. 16 May 1687 in Sussex Co.,
> > > >> > Delaware. Md. <1715> to
> > > >> > > William Pettyjohn
> > > >> > > 2.Her father was Norton Claypoole b. 1640 London, England md.
> > > Rachel R. b.
> > > >> > 1644 in Northa. Co. England
> > > >> > > 3. John Claypoole b. 13 Apr 1595 Northa. Engl. md. Mary Angell b. 1601
> > > >> > London dau of William
> > > >> > > Angell b. 1576 in London md. Ann Sanson b. <1550> England
> >
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> > your CLAYPOOL linage go to Sherranlynn's Place
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>
>
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Thanks so much for all the information you have sent in your replies. I do
indeed have a James and Mary Cann, but had Elizabeth as his youngest sister,
rather than his daughter. Do you have a list of Elizabeth's brothers and
sisters? Thanks so much. Annie in sunny Idaho.
Acken, Anderson, Atkinson, Bagby, Billups, Carter, Casey, Chandlers, Emert,
Kifer, Littell, Longshore, Moore, Pettyjohn, Regan/Ragan, Scarborough, Sloan,
Trigg, Webster, Welty, Williamson
______________________________
Hi Barbara,
I would very much like to have information on both marriages,
William's background and the Cromwells please.
I'm also descended from these folks through Norton.
(Sorry I can't help out with any info about his wife, Rachel, though.)
Jan McKenzie
jmckenzi(a)erols.com
My Claypool's are shown here: (but only through Norton -
haven't had time to update the page.)
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Pointe/4808/clifton.html
Barbara Johnson <patch227(a)earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I show both, ann and joan. Perhaps he married twice. I also have a small background
> on William Angell if anyone wants it. I have also done some research into Sir John
> & Elizabeth Cromwell and dates if its wanted.
> Barbara Johnson
>
> Antoinette Waughtel Sorensen wrote:
>
> > So do I.
> > Antoinette
> > waughtel(a)oz.net
> > http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/savannah/252/homepage.htm
> >
> > Sherranlynn Kincaid Nichols wrote:
> >
> > > I have William Angell mar. to Joan Provey
> > >
> > > >> > Annie wrote:
> > > >> >
> > > >> > > 1.Am descended from Elizabeth Claypoole b. 16 May 1687 in Sussex Co.,
> > > >> > Delaware. Md. <1715> to
> > > >> > > William Pettyjohn
> > > >> > > 2.Her father was Norton Claypoole b. 1640 London, England md.
> > > Rachel R. b.
> > > >> > 1644 in Northa. Co. England
> > > >> > > 3. John Claypoole b. 13 Apr 1595 Northa. Engl. md. Mary Angell b. 1601
> > > >> > London dau of William
> > > >> > > Angell b. 1576 in London md. Ann Sanson b. <1550> England
> >
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> > Join the CLAYPOOL GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH GROUP. To Register
> > your CLAYPOOL linage go to Sherranlynn's Place
> > http://www.GeoCities.com/Heartland/Plains/7410/skincaid/
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infinitesimally small, is not exactly zero.
I show both, ann and joan. Perhaps he married twice. I also have a small background
on William Angell if anyone wants it. I have also done some research into Sir John
& Elizabeth Cromwell and dates if its wanted.
Barbara Johnson
Antoinette Waughtel Sorensen wrote:
> So do I.
> Antoinette
> waughtel(a)oz.net
> http://www.fortunecity.com/millenium/savannah/252/homepage.htm
>
> Sherranlynn Kincaid Nichols wrote:
>
> > I have William Angell mar. to Joan Provey
> >
> > >> > Annie wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > > 1.Am descended from Elizabeth Claypoole b. 16 May 1687 in Sussex Co.,
> > >> > Delaware. Md. <1715> to
> > >> > > William Pettyjohn
> > >> > > 2.Her father was Norton Claypoole b. 1640 London, England md.
> > Rachel R. b.
> > >> > 1644 in Northa. Co. England
> > >> > > 3. John Claypoole b. 13 Apr 1595 Northa. Engl. md. Mary Angell b. 1601
> > >> > London dau of William
> > >> > > Angell b. 1576 in London md. Ann Sanson b. <1550> England
>
> ==== CLAYPOOL Mailing List ====
> Join the CLAYPOOL GENEALOGICAL RESEARCH GROUP. To Register
> your CLAYPOOL linage go to Sherranlynn's Place
> http://www.GeoCities.com/Heartland/Plains/7410/skincaid/