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Hi Pat and all: There is a website for Manchester High School with a map and
it looks like the same area we visited. Midlothian is in Chesterfield
County. Connie
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From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of Kith-n-Kin
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 6:00 PM
To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
M. E., Connie & all
I have a picture of the stone and site "where Henry Clay isn't buried." The
stone reads:
In
Memory of
HENRY CLAY
Who died
At dinner with
His Children &
Grand Children
At an annual
Festival given to
them in August
1760
The Colonial Dames plaque says:
HENRY CLAY
Henry Clay, The Elder, born 1672,
Chesterfield County, was the Gr. Grandfather of the statesman.
His tomb one-fourth mile east
Bears the inscription
In Memory of
Henry Clay
"Who Died at dinner with his children and grandchildren at an annual
festival given for them on August 3, 1760."
Presented by
Richmond Chapter, Colonial Dames of the 17th Century
1957
What? Well, maybe the person who copied the tombstone took liberties?
I don't have my notes from 2006, but I think the school is:
Manchester High School
13200 Bailey Bridge Rd
Midlothian, VA 23112
Unfortunately, either because of security, or because there are no houses to
sell, neither Google Earth, nor Google Maps has a photo of the area. I
actually cannot "put myself" in the place. Maybe it was another school. If
Gregg Clemmer is reading the list, he knows exactly where the site is, and
also where the "original" graves probably were.
I'll send pictures to Al, maybe he can upload on the CFS website.
M. E. -- why not give us a bit of your line. Possibly one of us can help you
out.
Pat (back in Tucson, darn it -- that New Orleans food was just tooooo
goooood <G>)
-----Original Message-----
From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of Connie Collins
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:56 AM
To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
His grave is in Chesterfield County, VA but the location is no longer known
due to development that obliterated the cemetery. The Colonial Dames rescued
the tombstone and it is in a fenced off area on the grounds of a high
school. The Clay Family Society members visited the site during the 2006
Gathering in Chesterfield but I do not remember the name of the area. I will
see if I can find the name of the area and I may even have a picture. Give
me a few days and I will see what I can find. I am descended from Henry's
son, Henry II who married Lucy Green, through their son Dr. Henry Clay III
who married Rachel Povall. Connie Collins
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I have a book on Thomas The Seagull Green. I'll go back through it this
afternoon, but I think it was his son William who married Amy Clay. I'll
check to make sure it was son and not grandson. Anyhow, they did have
children prior to his death. Have copy of abstract of his will. After he
died she married I think it was a Williamson. Would you all like me to see
if I can scan the page and send it to the list? Let me know and I'll try
this afternoon. M.E. jsorensen4(a)cfl.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Connie Collins" <conniecollins(a)earthwave.net>
To: <clay(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2008 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Henry Clay and Nattles
> Thanks Skip: Interesting information. If it true I know now where my
> allergies came from as I have had similar reactions. Poor old Henry would
> have suffered on a hot VA day as I can attest.
> I hope that you will consider coming to the 2010 Clay Family Society
> Gathering. It will be held in Lexington Kentucky. I don't think that we
> have
> any descendants of Samuel and it is always good to have another branch
> represented. Henry Clay III and Rachel Povall Clay also had a son named
> Samuel named after your ancestor. Connie Collins
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Albert Pace
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 2:53 PM
> To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLAY] Henry Clay and Nattles
>
> Connie,
>
> Go to http://www.netdoctor.com.uk/diseases/facts/nettlerash.htm
> and there is a very good explanation of nettles rash. Mindful of the
> manner
>
> in which some of the Virginian speech patterns and the way in which the
> pronunciations of words could be misconstrued I thought that it was highly
> possible that nAttles should have been nEttles. The article was quite
> interesting. And I would agree with you.
>
> Connie, I, too, am a descendant of Henry Clay II through his son Samuel.
>
> Cousins meet cousins all of the time....
>
> Albert 'Skip' Pace
> Girard, IL
> n
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M. E., Connie & all
I have a picture of the stone and site "where Henry Clay isn't buried." The
stone reads:
In
Memory of
HENRY CLAY
Who died
At dinner with
His Children &
Grand Children
At an annual
Festival given to
them in August
1760
The Colonial Dames plaque says:
HENRY CLAY
Henry Clay, The Elder, born 1672,
Chesterfield County, was the Gr. Grandfather of the statesman.
His tomb one-fourth mile east
Bears the inscription
In Memory of
Henry Clay
"Who Died at dinner with his children and grandchildren at an annual
festival given for them on August 3, 1760."
Presented by
Richmond Chapter, Colonial Dames of the 17th Century
1957
What? Well, maybe the person who copied the tombstone took liberties?
I don't have my notes from 2006, but I think the school is:
Manchester High School
13200 Bailey Bridge Rd
Midlothian, VA 23112
Unfortunately, either because of security, or because there are no houses to
sell, neither Google Earth, nor Google Maps has a photo of the area. I
actually cannot "put myself" in the place. Maybe it was another school. If
Gregg Clemmer is reading the list, he knows exactly where the site is, and
also where the "original" graves probably were.
I'll send pictures to Al, maybe he can upload on the CFS website.
M. E. -- why not give us a bit of your line. Possibly one of us can help you
out.
Pat (back in Tucson, darn it -- that New Orleans food was just tooooo
goooood <G>)
-----Original Message-----
From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of Connie Collins
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 11:56 AM
To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
His grave is in Chesterfield County, VA but the location is no longer known
due to development that obliterated the cemetery. The Colonial Dames rescued
the tombstone and it is in a fenced off area on the grounds of a high
school. The Clay Family Society members visited the site during the 2006
Gathering in Chesterfield but I do not remember the name of the area. I will
see if I can find the name of the area and I may even have a picture. Give
me a few days and I will see what I can find. I am descended from Henry's
son, Henry II who married Lucy Green, through their son Dr. Henry Clay III
who married Rachel Povall. Connie Collins
His grave is in Chesterfield County, VA but the location is no longer known
due to development that obliterated the cemetery. The Colonial Dames rescued
the tombstone and it is in a fenced off area on the grounds of a high
school. The Clay Family Society members visited the site during the 2006
Gathering in Chesterfield but I do not remember the name of the area. I will
see if I can find the name of the area and I may even have a picture. Give
me a few days and I will see what I can find. I am descended from Henry's
son, Henry II who married Lucy Green, through their son Dr. Henry Clay III
who married Rachel Povall. Connie Collins
-----Original Message-----
From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of M.E.Sorensen
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:44 PM
To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
That explanation sounds very logical! I found the bit on Henry on World
Connect. I am just starting research on Henry Clay whose daughter married a
Wm Green. I believe I am there descendant. You mentioned his grave, Where is
that located? Would love any information. Thanks. M.E. jsorensen4(a)cfl.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Connie Collins" <conniecollins(a)earthwave.net>
To: <clay(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
> Hi Janis and All: Is there a source for this information? As I recall
> Henry's tombstone just says that he died at dinner during a celebration
> with
> his children.
> "Rales" is an old medical term for difficult breathing and rattles would
> be
> heard as the person died. I think this was a description of how he died
> and
> genealogists mis-interpreted it as location. Connie Collins
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf
> Of redwingersgen(a)earthlink.net
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:22 AM
> To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
>
> Hi -
>
> I believe the word is Nettles, a herb/plant. When a body needed a good
> boost of nutrition, it was cooked. If cooked like greens and someone ate
> too much, it can be too much for their digestive system. Since Henry Clay
> died suddenly at the supper table, at an older age of 92, perhaps he
> overdosed on this dish. Also, I think it is possible the Roells are a
> family name, a surname. He was probably having his dinner at their home.
> Wasn't his homestead named Morrimont.
> Janis
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: M.E.Sorensen <jsorensen4(a)cfl.rr.com>
>> To: <CLAY(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Date: 11/21/2008 7:31:47 PM
>> Subject: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
>>
>> I tried to answer your email, but your span blocker would not let me.
> Tried to enter all information requested, but then it said the site was
> not
> available this way. I am going to try and paste what it said about Henry
> Clay and the Nattles.
>> 1709. He was left executor of his brother Thomas' estate. Henry owned
> large tracts of land in Henrico, Goochland, Chesterfield and Cumberland
> Counties, Virginia. He died of Nattles at the "Raells" during his annual
> birthday dinner
>> If there is anyone else on the Clay list who knows the answer, would
> appreciate help. M.E. jsorensen4(a)cfl.rr.com
>>
>>
>>
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Connie,
Go to http://www.netdoctor.com.uk/diseases/facts/nettlerash.htm
and there is a very good explanation of nettles rash. Mindful of the manner
in which some of the Virginian speech patterns and the way in which the
pronunciations of words could be misconstrued I thought that it was highly
possible that nAttles should have been nEttles. The article was quite
interesting. And I would agree with you.
Connie, I, too, am a descendant of Henry Clay II through his son Samuel.
Cousins meet cousins all of the time....
Albert 'Skip' Pace
Girard, IL
----- Original Message -----
From: "Connie Collins" <conniecollins(a)earthwave.net>
To: <clay(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:52 AM
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Henry Clay and Nattles
> Does anyone know the source of the nattles and Raells? If I recall Henry's
> tombstone just says he died at dinner at a celebration with his family.
> I have always thought that the interpretation was misunderstood.
> The term "rales" is a medical one referring to difficult breathing and
> rattles would be heard with rales. I believe that this is a description of
> how he died and not where. Connie Collins
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Albert Pace
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:43 AM
> To: redwingersgen(a)earthlink.net; clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
>
> Janis,
>
> I had arrived at the same conclusion after doing some research on
> nattles/nettles and considering the manner in which words are
> misunderstood.
>
> Thanks for your input...
>
> Albert 'Skip' Pace
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <redwingersgen(a)earthlink.net>
> To: <clay(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 8:22 AM
> Subject: Re: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
>
>
>> Hi -
>>
>> I believe the word is Nettles, a herb/plant. When a body needed a good
>> boost of nutrition, it was cooked. If cooked like greens and someone ate
>> too much, it can be too much for their digestive system. Since Henry
>> Clay
>> died suddenly at the supper table, at an older age of 92, perhaps he
>> overdosed on this dish. Also, I think it is possible the Roells are a
>> family name, a surname. He was probably having his dinner at their home.
>> Wasn't his homestead named Morrimont.
>> Janis
>>
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: M.E.Sorensen <jsorensen4(a)cfl.rr.com>
>>> To: <CLAY(a)rootsweb.com>
>>> Date: 11/21/2008 7:31:47 PM
>>> Subject: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
>>>
>>> I tried to answer your email, but your span blocker would not let me.
>> Tried to enter all information requested, but then it said the site was
>> not
>> available this way. I am going to try and paste what it said about Henry
>> Clay and the Nattles.
>>> 1709. He was left executor of his brother Thomas' estate. Henry owned
>> large tracts of land in Henrico, Goochland, Chesterfield and Cumberland
>> Counties, Virginia. He died of Nattles at the "Raells" during his annual
>> birthday dinner
>>> If there is anyone else on the Clay list who knows the answer, would
>> appreciate help. M.E. jsorensen4(a)cfl.rr.com
>>>
>>>
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>From "Common Ancestors of the Clay's in Kentucky" "Great-Grandfather of Henry Clay, the Statesman. Died of the "Nattles and Raells" during an annual birthday dinner for his descendants in honor of his 88 birthday. Buried at Morrimont, nine miles southwest of Richmond, Virginia. His home was Henrico." Hope this is the right Clay. Patti Wetterman
--- On Sat, 11/22/08, Connie Collins <conniecollins(a)earthwave.net> wrote:
From: Connie Collins <conniecollins(a)earthwave.net>
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 1:56 PM
His grave is in Chesterfield County, VA but the location is no longer known
due to development that obliterated the cemetery. The Colonial Dames rescued
the tombstone and it is in a fenced off area on the grounds of a high
school. The Clay Family Society members visited the site during the 2006
Gathering in Chesterfield but I do not remember the name of the area. I will
see if I can find the name of the area and I may even have a picture. Give
me a few days and I will see what I can find. I am descended from Henry's
son, Henry II who married Lucy Green, through their son Dr. Henry Clay III
who married Rachel Povall. Connie Collins
-----Original Message-----
From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of M.E.Sorensen
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:44 PM
To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
That explanation sounds very logical! I found the bit on Henry on World
Connect. I am just starting research on Henry Clay whose daughter married a
Wm Green. I believe I am there descendant. You mentioned his grave, Where is
that located? Would love any information. Thanks. M.E. jsorensen4(a)cfl.rr.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "Connie Collins" <conniecollins(a)earthwave.net>
To: <clay(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 12:31 PM
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
> Hi Janis and All: Is there a source for this information? As I recall
> Henry's tombstone just says that he died at dinner during a
celebration
> with
> his children.
> "Rales" is an old medical term for difficult breathing and
rattles would
> be
> heard as the person died. I think this was a description of how he died
> and
> genealogists mis-interpreted it as location. Connie Collins
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
> Behalf
> Of redwingersgen(a)earthlink.net
> Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2008 9:22 AM
> To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
>
> Hi -
>
> I believe the word is Nettles, a herb/plant. When a body needed a good
> boost of nutrition, it was cooked. If cooked like greens and someone ate
> too much, it can be too much for their digestive system. Since Henry Clay
> died suddenly at the supper table, at an older age of 92, perhaps he
> overdosed on this dish. Also, I think it is possible the Roells are a
> family name, a surname. He was probably having his dinner at their home.
> Wasn't his homestead named Morrimont.
> Janis
>
>
>> [Original Message]
>> From: M.E.Sorensen <jsorensen4(a)cfl.rr.com>
>> To: <CLAY(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Date: 11/21/2008 7:31:47 PM
>> Subject: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
>>
>> I tried to answer your email, but your span blocker would not let me.
> Tried to enter all information requested, but then it said the site was
> not
> available this way. I am going to try and paste what it said about Henry
> Clay and the Nattles.
>> 1709. He was left executor of his brother Thomas' estate. Henry
owned
> large tracts of land in Henrico, Goochland, Chesterfield and Cumberland
> Counties, Virginia. He died of Nattles at the "Raells" during
his annual
> birthday dinner
>> If there is anyone else on the Clay list who knows the answer, would
> appreciate help. M.E. jsorensen4(a)cfl.rr.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Hi -
I believe the word is Nettles, a herb/plant. When a body needed a good
boost of nutrition, it was cooked. If cooked like greens and someone ate
too much, it can be too much for their digestive system. Since Henry Clay
died suddenly at the supper table, at an older age of 92, perhaps he
overdosed on this dish. Also, I think it is possible the Roells are a
family name, a surname. He was probably having his dinner at their home.
Wasn't his homestead named Morrimont.
Janis
> [Original Message]
> From: M.E.Sorensen <jsorensen4(a)cfl.rr.com>
> To: <CLAY(a)rootsweb.com>
> Date: 11/21/2008 7:31:47 PM
> Subject: [CLAY] Att: Albert Pace re Henry Clay and Nattles
>
> I tried to answer your email, but your span blocker would not let me.
Tried to enter all information requested, but then it said the site was not
available this way. I am going to try and paste what it said about Henry
Clay and the Nattles.
> 1709. He was left executor of his brother Thomas' estate. Henry owned
large tracts of land in Henrico, Goochland, Chesterfield and Cumberland
Counties, Virginia. He died of Nattles at the "Raells" during his annual
birthday dinner
> If there is anyone else on the Clay list who knows the answer, would
appreciate help. M.E. jsorensen4(a)cfl.rr.com
>
>
>
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I tried to answer your email, but your span blocker would not let me. Tried to enter all information requested, but then it said the site was not available this way. I am going to try and paste what it said about Henry Clay and the Nattles.
1709. He was left executor of his brother Thomas' estate. Henry owned large tracts of land in Henrico, Goochland, Chesterfield and Cumberland Counties, Virginia. He died of Nattles at the "Raells" during his annual birthday dinner
If there is anyone else on the Clay list who knows the answer, would appreciate help. M.E. jsorensen4(a)cfl.rr.com
Can someone answer a question for me. I was looking for Henry Clay that I believe was an ancestor of mine whose daughter married first Wm Green. wm Green was my ancestor. My question is this. Some articles say that Henry died with the Nattles at Raells, his plantation. What is Nattles? Can't find that word anyplace. Does anyone know what that is? Thanks. M.E. jsorensen4(a)cfl.rr.com
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Hi! I would also like to receive a copy of the Ancient History of the name Clay.
Thanks
Pam Ochsner> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2008 13:15:04 -0800> From: Sheree.Jankowski(a)ci.bremerton.wa.us> To: clay(a)rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CLAY] Fw: The Current CLAY Discussion> > I would like to receive a copy of the Ancient History of the name Clay,> too please> > Shereemj(a)yahoo.com> > > Thanks, Sheree> > -----Original Message-----> From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On> Behalf Of Ralph Chalfant> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:07 PM> To: clay(a)rootsweb.com> Subject: Re: [CLAY] Fw: The Current CLAY Discussion> > Glynis:> > I would like to receive a copy of the Ancient History of the name Clay. > Being from the Clay line I would appreciate it.> > Yours truly,> > Bertha M. Chalfant> 129 Caribou Ln.> Kerrville, TX 78029> e-mail: rchalfant(a)stx.rr.com> > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Glynis" <glynis(a)kwikmark.co.za>> To: <SPRAD666(a)aol.com>> Cc: <clay(a)rootsweb.com>> Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:54 AM> Subject: Re: [CLAY] Fw: The Current CLAY Discussion> > > > Evening all on the CLAY list,> >> > I have sent several emails to those who requested a copy of the> Ancient > > History of the name CLAY.> >> > If anyone who has requested it and not received a copy, please send me> > > another email and I will send.> >> > Tim - thanks for your email.> >> > Regards,> > Glynis> >> > -------------------------------> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to > > CLAY-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the> quotes > > in the subject and the body of the message> > > > > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to> CLAY-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes> in the subject and the body of the message> > > -------------------------------> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to CLAY-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the quotes in the subject and the body of the message
I have been reading all the Clay post and I`m not sure which Clay I belong.
I have a Esther Clay born 1885 in Missouri. She was married to Edwin Grant
Jackson. It is possible that could have been a middle name then I`m really
stumped. They were in Ca in the 1920 Census father born in Illinois and
mother born in Missouri. Does anyone have Esther Clay in there tree. I do
have a picture of her with Edwin.
Thank you for any help
Dee Jackson
For Glynis: Charles Knighton, a Clay cousin, corresponds with David Clay and has visited him in England. Charles does not use e-mail and I don't believe that David has e-mail either. I will contact Charles in a few days as I believe he has returned from Europe. I will try and find contact information for you. Connie Collins
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Subject: Re: [CLAY] Fw: The Current CLAY Discussion
Dear Glynis. I contacted Bob tonight, and as I thought, he didn't research
the English CLAYs. He said to contact David Clay in England, that is a member
of this CLAY Rootsweb list I believe (or at least belongs to the Clay Society
that meets every two years in the US at a "gathering" - next one is in 2010 I
believe in Lexington, KY). If someone on the list knows David, please send
Glynis his email address. Best wishes, Tim
In a message dated 11/7/2008 10:20:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, SPRAD666
writes:
Dear Glynis. I believe you contacted me several years ago about these CLAYs.
Bob is no longer researching. I believe Bob has only researched the United
States CLAYs and John the Immigrant to Jamestown in 1613. I will give him a
call soon to verify that and let you know if I have further information for
you. Best regards, Tim
In a message dated 11/7/2008 3:57:42 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
glynis(a)kwikmark.co.za writes:
Morning,
I sent this email yesterday, but seems that it did not arrive.
Please see below my CLAY line in England.
Glynis
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Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2008 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: [CLAY] The Current CLAY Discussion
Dear Tim,
I have been reading the CLAY information on this site for a while now, and
YOURS is one that stands out for me.
Tim quoted: -
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Have you researched the CLAY's in England Jaquelin? If not, do you know of
a
researcher who could do some research for us? Bob Clay has done research in
London in the past, and has some information, as I'm sure others do.
Best wishes to all, Tim Spradling
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I am searching the CLAY's from England and have quite a bit of information
on them. Quite a bit with documentation.
My CLAY line comes from Mansfield, Southwell and I presume surrounding
areas.
Years ago I had a very kind person who lived/lives in Nottinghamshire who
sent me census, news paper cuttings etc and was really grateful.
It would be great if your Bob CLAY could exchange information with me.
I have:
William clay born 24 may 1696
Mary born 29 December 1697
The above needs to be check out.
WILLIAM CLAY (above) & ANN or ALICE DENMAN and they had 8 children:
1. William born 1 March 1722
2. John born 26 April 1724
3. Mary born 22 May 1727
4. John born 18 September 1727 * to be checked
5. Mary born 6 February 1728 * to be checked
6. Robert born 5 February 1730
7. Mary born 8 November 1732
8. Alice born 6 February 1733 * to be checked
William CLAY married Phoebe LAWTON at Southwell on 12 August 1745. They
had 4 known children:
1. William born 19 May 1746
2. Mary born 11 April 1748
3. John born 15 July 1750
4. Thomas bap 21 October 1751 at Southwell.
Thomas (above married Mary SMITH at St. Mary’s Nottingham on 15 November
1776. They had 8 children:
1. Sarah born December 1777
2. James born 12 October 1779
3. Ann born June 1783
4. William born 15 February 1785
5. John born 5 May 1787
6. Mary born 1788 died 9 April 1788
7. Richard born 6 July 1790, Southwell
8. Samuel born 26 November 1794
Richard married Frances PLATTS at Southwell on 17 January 1814.
They had 11 children:
1. George bapt. 8 February 1815 in Southwell. He married
Elizabeth CHEESEWRIGHT on 11 July 1837, Mansfield, St. Peter. In the 1841
census they stayed at Church Street, Mansfield. Her father’s name was
William CHEESWRIGHT.
Their Child:
a) Frances CLAY, born 1840. Also at Church Street, Mansfield in 1841. In
the 1871 census, they stayed at Ball Yard with Francis CLAY
2. William bap 12 January 1817, Crown Yard, Mansfield, St Peter.
NO FURTHER INFORMATION YET.
3. Richard bap 25 December 1818, Crown Yard, Mansfield, St Peter
(MY LINE)
4. John bap 24 December 1820, Crown & Anchor Yard, Mansfield,
St Peter.
He married Ann Goodall WARD on 28 December 1845 Sutton in Ashfield. Her
fathers name was Joseph WARD.
5. Abraham bap 27 April 1823, Crown Yard, Mansfield, St Peter.
Married Maria CRAMPTON on 21 September 1851, Sutton in Ashfield.
In the 1841 census they stayed at Church Street, Mansfield.
Her fathers nam was James CRAMPTON, A Miller.
Their children:
a) James CLAY born 13 July 1855/56, Stockwell Gate, Mansfield.
b) Harry CLAY born 1858 Mansfield, shoeing smith
c) Alice CLAY born 1860 Mansfield, Dress Maker
d) Eliza CLAY born 1861 Mansfield, Domestic servant out of sit.
e) Frederick CLAY born 1865, Alfreton, Derby England, shoeing smith
f) William BROWN born 1871, Alfreton Derby, England (Grand son)
g) Florance CLAY born 1871, Alfreton, Derby England Scholar.
6. Mary Ann bap 25 March 1825, Crown Yard, Mansfield, St Peter. In
the 1841
census she stayed at Church Street, Mansfield.
7. Frances bap 28 January 1827, Crown & Anchor Yard, Mansfield, St.
Peter.
In the 1841 census she stayed at Church Street, Mansfield.
8. Elizabeth bap 21 March 1829, Crown Yard, Mansfield, St. Peter. In
the 1841
census she stayed at Church Street, Mansfield.
9. Eliza bap 17 June 1831, Crown Yard, Mansfield, St. Peter.
In the 1841 census she stayed at Church Street, Mansfield
10. Thomas Stanley bap 3 March 1833, Crown & Anchor Yard, Mansfield, St
Peter. In the 1841 census he stayed at Church Street, Mansfield.
11. Edward bap 17 July 1835, Crown Yard, Mansfield, St. Peter. In
the 1841 census he stayed at Church Street, Mansfield. 1st Bombay European
Fusiliess. (found on India Site).
I still have more to add, but have edited this lot above.
Regards,
Glynis MILLETT-CLAY
South Africa.
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Glynis,
I would appreciate very much a copy of the Ancient History of the name Clay,
too and thank you.
Charles cclay23668(a)aol.com
In a message dated 11/10/2008 2:15:59 P.M. Mountain Standard Time,
Sheree.Jankowski(a)ci.bremerton.wa.us writes:
I would like to receive a copy of the Ancient History of the name Clay,
too please
Shereemj(a)yahoo.com
Thanks, Sheree
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Behalf Of Ralph Chalfant
Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 1:07 PM
To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Fw: The Current CLAY Discussion
Glynis:
I would like to receive a copy of the Ancient History of the name Clay.
Being from the Clay line I would appreciate it.
Yours truly,
Bertha M. Chalfant
129 Caribou Ln.
Kerrville, TX 78029
e-mail: rchalfant(a)stx.rr.com
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Sent: Monday, November 10, 2008 10:54 AM
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> Evening all on the CLAY list,
>
> I have sent several emails to those who requested a copy of the
Ancient
> History of the name CLAY.
>
> If anyone who has requested it and not received a copy, please send me
> another email and I will send.
>
> Tim - thanks for your email.
>
> Regards,
> Glynis
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Troy,
Glad to share data about our family. Just to let you know the
timeline of John Moore Clay Libby shared with you was an exchange I shared with
her a few years ago. She expanded it after John Moore Clay went to Abbeville.
At that time I had not found the court data I sent you. I need to go back
into my notes. John Moore Clay was in the war. I think one listing reversed
his name to Moore John Clay. I have a major event/display coming up this
weekend. It will keep me from digging out the information for a couple of weeks.
Charles and Mary Clay did have a son John Clay. In 1768 he was in Rowan
County North Carolina. I don't think he was the father of John Moore Clay.
I just don't think he would have went back to Virginia after the migration
to southern NC. The reason I have not ruled out Charles and Mary as his
parents is the fact he is always referenced as "John Moore Clay". It is out of
the norm but I have seen a couple families use the same name over and address
the second child always with both of his names. That said I look more at the
connection to Isham Clay that married Amy Vaughn. Nothing to date has helped
determine the truth.
You may want to check out this site and the entry for John Moore, deceased
and see John Moore Clay as his estate executor. It may be where John Moore
Clay got his name. Note Isham Clay is in the same entry.
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Best of luck.
Jack Clay
In a message dated 11/10/2008 8:22:23 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
troyclay(a)aol.com writes:
Jack,
Thank you for your reply with the much needed facts to add to the puzzle. I
tend to agree with your assessment that John Moore Clay is closely tied to
the Charles Clay who died in 1783 in Mecklenburg County, Virginia. You
wrote that Charles's estate would have passed to the elder son John Clay who
was already dead. Wouldn't this rule out John Moore Clay being the son of
Charles in that it would be unlikely that Charles had two sons named John?
Is there documentation that Charles had a son named John that was dead in
1783? If John Moore Clay was a grandson of Charles, then who was his
father? John the dead elder son of Charles?
I appreciate the help you are providing. Genealogy interests me greatly but
I got a late start at it. I am now in declining health and research
requiring lengthy days and travel is increasingly difficult. Fortunately
the home computer is a great tool for genealogy research. I want to get as
much done on my tree as I can in order to provide the information to my
grandchildren since a couple of them are really interested in knowing about
their ancestors. I want the information to be accurate above all else. I
have no interest in connecting to a famous person if the connection is not
absolutely a fact.
I am also a stickler for giving credit to others for their research;
therefore, I try to keep an accurate record of the source of any information
I use. In the beginning I gathered as much information as I could in my
limited research time and did not properly document the source of everything
that I collected.
The following is information provided to me by Libby Clay, a descendant of
John Green Clay who was a brother of my GG Grandfather Joel Lockhart Clay.
If you dispute any of this or have comments or additions to any of it,
please let me know. One statement in particular: John Moore Clay was a
revolutionary War Soldier -- what documentation exists for this fact?
-------------
In both the 1810, and 1820, census of Abbeville District, South Carolina
John Clay was listed as over 45 years of age. He received his first State
Land Grant in 1804. He is not on the 1800, Census of the County therefore
it appears that he came to South Carolina between 1800, and 1804. I believe
that he was in Cabarrus County, North Carolina prior to 1800, as he sold
some land there.
His Will is dated September 16, 1828 and proved September 29, 1828, (Box 17,
Pkg. 363) and names no legatee except his wife, Judy. At the Estate Sale
held on November 28, 1828, purchasers who bore the name of Clay were Simeon,
Nancy, and Judith (Judy). Notes listed in the appraisal of the Estate on
people named Clay showed Simeon, Judith, and Edmund were indebted to the
Estate. Receipts for payment are shown for Simeon and Judith. The annual
report for 1831, showed Edmund's account was called "doubtful". By checking
the amount of the purchases made by Judith and Simeon at the sale, their
indebtedness, in each case, is the exact amount of their purchases. Nancy
Clay, who was a purchaser, and her purchase was made with cash as there is
no indication of indebtedness to the Estate. Simeon purchased twenty seven
items with the most significant item being the Family Bible. This would
indicate that Simeon was very closely related to John Clay, probably the
oldest son.
1792, John Clay listed in Daniel Lingo Estate Paper.
Feb. 26, 1793, Book 1, pg. 8-9
William Wells and wife Martha to John Moore Clay, all of Cabarrus. 301 acres
for L300 NC Currency, on west side of Coddle Creek, adj "an old line near a
road leading to Archibald Houston's" Moses Andrews' line, John Brown's
line, the Old Survey", the Barony line, Duns Branch, part of a tract of
12,500 acres granted originally to Ambrose Harding,attorney, of Dublin, and
conveyed to John Mitchell by Mecklenburg County Sheriff, James Wylye, from
Mitchell to Robert Moffett, from Moffett to William Wells, all except eleven
acres added recently from Moses Andrews to William Wells.
Witness: John Carothers, Thomas L. Allison Signed William Wells, Martha
(X) Wells, registered April session 1793, John Simianer, Clerkof Court
Tuesday, April 16, 1793
Jurors for next session, Capt. Houston's Company - John Clay
July 16, 1793
Jurors for next session, Capt. Ar. Houston's Company - John Clay
Tuesday April 16, 1793
Deeds recorded - William Wells and wife Martha to John Moore Clay
Wednesday, October 23, 1793
Grand Jury - John Moore Clay
Jan. 22, 1794
Jurors for next session, Capt. Huston's Co - John Clay
Page 45, 7 Feb 1794, John M. Clay entered 70 acre vacant land; 50 acre
surplus of survey "where he Now lives", 20 acre adj. John Ross, John Brown
and his own land; all on west Coddle Creek, No warrant issued for this
entry.
Tuesday April 22, 1794
Grand Jury - John Clay
Wednesday April 23, 1794
Committee to lay road from Salisbury to Charlotte including John Clay.
Page 8 #68 12 June 1794, John M. Clay entered 25 acre vacant land, waters
of Rocky River and on east side, adj. John Ross on east, John Brown on
north, and his own land on west. Warrant issued.
Wednesday, April 22, 1795
Jurors for next session, Capt Houston's Co - John Clay
May 9, 1795 Book 2, pg 257 - 259
John Clay to William Hunt, both of Cabarrus. 298 acre for L248.7.6 NC
Currency on waters of Coddle Creek; adj. Andrew's corner and line, James
Bradford's corner and line, John Ross's corner and line with or near John
Brown's land. Wittness Zacheus Wilson, John Hunt Signed John Clay
Registered January Session 1797, John Simianer, Clerk of Court
September 3, 1795 Book 2, pg. 262 - 264
John M. Clay of Cabarrus to James Cashon of Person County, NC. 73 acre for
l67 current NC money, on waters of Coddle Creek; adj."Corner of the old
Survey," William Hunt's line and corner, John Brown's line, land that was
James Wilson's, part of a tract from John Mitchell and wife Elizabeth to
Robert Moffett on Dec. 18, 1769, then to William Wells by marriage to Martha
Moffett, widow of Robert, from William Wells and wife Martha to John M. Clay
by deed Feb. 6, 1793.
Wit: Abraham Rannells, John Hunt Signed John M. Clay
Registered Jan. session 1797, John Simianer, Clerk of Court
Wednesday, Oct. 21, 1795
Zacheus Wilson made oath on land entries; including entry by John M.Clay
for 70 acres, No. 31. There were no vacant lands within the bounds and any
of the entries.
Third Monday, Jan. 1797
Deeds recorded - John Clay to James Cashon, 73 acres, dated September 23,
1795
Tuesday, Oct. 22, 1799
Petit Jury - John Clay
WILL OF JOHN MOORE CLAY
STATE OF SOUTH CAROLINA
ABBEVILLE DISTRICT
In the name of God Amen.
Whereas I John Clay of said State and District being this day inpocession of
a sound mind and having my perfect memory faccultys but very low in health
feel resolved to make this my last Will andTestament. Whereas I first
recommend my soul to God who gave it and my body deacently buried and my
funeral expences paid together with my just debts.
Secondly I wish so much of my property that can be disposed of to the best
advantage to my heir to be sold as far as will pay what just debts I owe and
the balance of my property in total I do hereby Will and Bequeath to my wife
Judy Clay to have and to hold at her own disposal for ever and I hereby
appoint James Morrow and O. Howell my lawful Executors to this my last Will
and Testament and that they should have full power to act according to my
last declaration and will. This given under my hand and seal this 16th day
of September Eighteen Hundred and Twenty Eight and the fifty Second year of
the Independance of the United States of America.
Signed John M. Clay
Witnessed John Crawford Cary Deale O. Houston
John Moore Clay was a soldier in the Revolutionary War.
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Thanks,
-- Troy Clay
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Subject: Re: [CLAY] John Moore Clay Connection
Troy,
You may want to take a close look at the following events to determine
the line John Moore Clay comes from. I do not agree with the line you
posted. Charles Clay died in Mecklenburg County, Virginia 1783 without a
will.
His wife Mary went to court to settle the estate and the very next day
Mary,
Isham and Sally were taken to court. These three are the widow; one to
inherit
the estate; and minor child in the household.
It is a case of the property was to pass to the oldest son (John Clay who
was already dead). His oldest son was Isham that would get the property.
Do
not confuse him with his uncle Isham there in Virginia. This is the Isham
Clay in the 1790 Census of Mecklenburg County, North Carolina. You can
find a deed in the Virginia archives were Isham Clay of Mecklenburg County,
North Carolina sold the land from this estate back to two of his aunts in
Mecklenburg County, Virginia.
The people taking Mary to court are direct family members and your John
Moore Clay is there.
The first time John Moore purchased property in Virginia one of the Uncle
Isham's sons was the witness.
After the estate was settled John Moore moved down to what was then
Cabarrus County, North Carolina (formed in 1792). John Carrothers,
brother-in-law to James Clay, was the witness. John Moore Clay moved to
South Carolina. A couple of the Cabarrus County, North Carolina Clay's
moved to the same area.
If you haven't guessed it yet, everytime I see John Moore Clay he is
connected to this specific Clay line.
On your list change #2 to Thomas and #3 to Charles. The question I haven't
been able to determine is John Moore another son or grandson to Charles and
Mary?
Mecklenburg County, Virginia Order Book 5 page 291
At a Court held for Mecklenburg County at the Courthouse the 12th day of
May
1783
Mary Clay widow and relic of Charles Clay deced personally appears in court
and declares that she will not accept receive or take any Legacy or
Legacies
to her given or bequeathed or any part thereof and that she renounces all
benefit and advantages that which she might claim by the last Will and
Testament
(if any) of thesaid Charles Clay deced And on the motion of the said Mary
it is Ordered that William Starling, Isham Malone, Goodwin Taylor and
Samual
Holmes Junior or any three of them do lay off and assign unto the said Mary
her dower in the lands and slaves of the said Charles and also do allot
unto
the said Mary her share or part of the surplus of the personal estate of
the
said Charles and make report thereof to the Court.
Mecklenburg County, Virginia Court Summons:
Morgan Vs. Clay Executed May the 23rd 1783 on Mary Clay and Sally Clay.
Isham Clay No Inhabeter of the County. James Vaughan DS. July 1783 - Cout
for
bill. May 1787 - Dismd by Plt.
The Commonwealth of Virginia to the sherif of Mecklenburg County greeting;
We command you that you summon Mary Clay, Isham Clay and Sally Clay to
appear
before the Justices of our said County Court in Chancery at the Courthouse
on
the second Monday in next month to answer a bill in Chancery exhibited
against them by Joshua Morgan, John Moore Clay, Josiah Perdue and Paythress
Cleaton
and this they shall in no wise omit under the penalty of One hundred pounds
each and have them there this Writ Witness. John Brown Clerk of our said
Court the 13th day of May 1783 in the seventh year of the Commonwealth.
W.
Baskerville DCK
Jack Clay
In a message dated 11/10/2008 2:15:53 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
troyclay(a)aol.com writes:
Hello all.
I need some help with a John Moore Clay connection. Can anyone on this
list
offer any documentation as to John Moore Clay being the son of Thomas Clay
and Anna Powell?
My line is:
1. Charles Clay + Hannah Wilson
2. Charles Clay + Sarah Nichols
3. Thomas Clay + Anna Powell
4. John Moore Clay + Judith Borum
5. Simeon W. Clay + Mary (Polly) Lockhart
6. Joel Lockhart Clay + Fanny Williams
7. John Harris Clay + Lucinda Ellen Ponder
8. George Nathaniel Clay + Anna Lee Fincher
9. Fred Milton Clay + Ethel Virginia Bain
10. Troy Eugene Clay (me) + Dorothy Sue Brown
I have documented my line up through my GG grandfather Joel Lockhart Clay.
Much circumstantial evidence points to Joel being the son of Simeon W. Clay
and Mary Lockhart in that they both lived in the Choccolocco Valley in
Benton County (now Calhoun), Alabama in the early 1850's. Joel's brother
Simeon W. Clay Jr. is buried next to him there. Two other brothers lived
in
the same area -- John Green Clay and Edmond Borum Clay. Another brother,
Hillery P. Clay was married in Benton County and then moved to Mississippi.
The only evidence I have that Simeon was the son of John Moore Clay is that
there is a record of Simeon purchasing the Family Bible at the estate sale
of John Moore Clay after his death (info provided by Libby Clay). This
seems to indicate that Simeon was a close relative of John Moore Clay,
probably his son.
I have seen John Moore Clay listed as the son of Thomas Clay and Anna
Powell
at more than one web site. Knowing that information posted on one site
(even if it is in error) quickly spreads to other sites causes me to
question its accuracy. I would very much like to know how it was
determined
that John Moore Clay was the son of Thomas and Anna. Can anyone out there
offer any documentation or even a thread of evidence to suggest the
connection.
Any help would be very much appreciated.
BTW, I joined the Clay DNA project about a month ago but my DNA is still in
the analysis phase and I have received no information. I am more than
happy
to share the results with anyone out there that might benefit from it.
Thanks,
-- Troy
<mailto:troyclay@aol.com>
Troy E. Clay
59 Clay Road
Rockmart, Georgia 30153-4329
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Hi All, to tag on to what Bill wrote,
In 2004 I chanced upon the following post from two years earlier:
Laguna Beach Online
Bulletin Board, 2002
http://www.laguna-beach.ca.us/board2002.htm
Noel Neudeck - San Diego CA - September 29, 2002
"I am attempting to find and old friend who's name is Porter Clay Taylor,
Jr. He may have used the nickname of "Bud", was about 6'5" tall and lanky.
He moved to Laguna Beach from Bakersfield, CA in 1953/54/55 and lived with
his family in a gated community near the ocean in Laguna. He would have been
a graduate of high school in 1955 or 1956. When he moved form Bakersfield,
he had a 1941 Chevrolet 2 door coupe. His father was a salesman or manager
for a Studebaker dealer. At one point in his young life in that area, he
worked for the Irvine Ranch Co. I talked to his mother in the early 1970's
and she told me he was living and working in the Long Beach, CA area. I am
attempting to set up a reunion with he and other old friends of mine and
would appreciate any help you may be able to offer. Do you remember him from
your high school class and if you have the class yearbook, is he shown?"
Thanking you in advance, Noel Neudeck
Of course, I emailed the poster, but my email bounced. Today, the site is no
longer up. I can't/won't/don't assert that this Porter Clay Taylor
necessarily descended from the Rev. Porter Clay. But it is interesting to
note that he is about the right age to be a grandson of the Porter Clay
Taylor in Bill's post who was born in 1881. I never took more action on
this -- might be interesting to dig into someday.
Cheers,
Ned
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill LaBach
Sent: Nov 8, 2008 11:02 AM
To: Ned Boyajian
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Porter Clay
I made a remark on this list a few days ago which may not be correct.
Porter Clay (1779-1850) was a brother of Henry Clay, the Statesman. He was
a Baptist preacher as was his father. I opined that Porter Clay had no
living descendants. This may be wrong. We know from an 1852 letter of
Henry Clay, the Statesman, that Porter had only one heir at that time.
Henry was referring to his duties as executor of the estate of Thomas Hart
who died at Lexington, Kentucky in 1808. The sole heir was a grandson
Porter Clay Taylor (1826-1909) also known as Clay Taylor. Clay Taylor had
six children two of whom are known to have had children. This family is
untraced and there may be descendants now in existence. I don't know of
any descendants of Porter Clay now living. Some information on Porter and
his family from the website at
[1]http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~bldr/csaclay.html
follows:
Colonel Nathaniel P. Taylor, b. Orange Co., VA, came to St.
Louis, Missouri in 1832 where he held the office of U.S.
Register of Lands, a position he held until his death in 1848.
Colonel Nathaniel P. Taylor, officer in the War of 1812, was
married three times. Nathaniel first married Elizabeth
Catherine Martin in 1816 in Clark County, Kentucky. They had
two girls Laura Taylor (b. 1817), and Eliza Catherine Martin
Lewis Taylor (b. 1819) Wife Elizabeth died in Kentucky in 1819.
(Ref: "History of St. Charles, Montgomery, & Warren County,"
National Historical Company, St. Louis, MO. 1885. pages
1116-1117).
Nathaniel in 1825 secondly married in Clark Co., Kentucky,
Eleanor Hart Clay, the daughter of Reverend Porter Clay and
Sophia Grosch. Reverend Porter Clay was a pioneer settler of
Kentucky and an able minister who did missionary work in the
West. It is believed Rev. Porter Clay gave the first sermon
ever preached in the English language west of the Mississippi.
Three children were born to Nathaniel and Eleanor: Clay Taylor,
(b. May 1826-KY), Ellen Medora Taylor, (b. 1827-KY), and Sophia
Grosch Taylor, (b. 1829-KY-d. April 1838-buried North St. Louis
Cemetery).
Colonel Nathaniel P. Taylor thirdly married Matilda Nicholas
Christy in 1832. Six children, all born in St. Louis: Martha
Taylor, (b1833); Mary Taylor (b.1837); James Christy Taylor
(b.1838-d. 11 Oct. 1845); Julia Wash Taylor (b. 1839-d. April
1844-buried Episcopal Cemetery); Matilda Taylor (b. 1841); and
Mary E. Taylor (b. 1843).
Colonel Clay Taylor & Marie Louise Pratte, Warren County
Colonel Clay Taylor, b. May 1826-KY-d. after 1900, and wife,
Marie Louise Pratte, b. 1833-St. Louis, MO, moved to a 600-acre
farm in Campbranch, in 1856. They were married in 1853 in St.
Louis. Four children were living as of the 1870 census:
Richard, b. 1855; Porter C, b. 1858; Laura b. 1860 and Dora, b.
1866. Three deceased children are Nathaniel P, Robert W., and
Tulie G. Taylor. Colonel Clay Taylor was the son of Colonel
Nathaniel P. Taylor, Orange Co., VA, and Eleanor Hart Clay,
Clark Co., Kentucky. Marie Louise Pratte was the daughter of
Sergeant Bernard Pratte, ex-mayor of St. Louis and president of
the Missouri Bank.
Colonel Clay Taylor served in the Mexican War and was a member
of Captain Weightman's company of Missouri light artillery, in
which he served for about a year. He was on Kearney's
expedition to New Mexico, and was with Colonel Doniphan on the
latter's march to join General Zachary Taylor at Buena Vista.
Colonel Clay Taylor served in the Civil War under the
Confederate army. Colonel Clay Taylor wrote out the "cartel"
for the exchange of prisoners between the Confederate States of
America and the United States March 15, 1862. (Ref: "History of
St. Charles, Montgomery, & Warren County," National Historical
Company, St. Louis, MO. 1885. pages 1116-1117).
Colonel Clay Taylor, at age 74, is living with his son Porter
C. Taylor, b. Jan 1858, in Elkhorn Township, Warren County,
Missouri in 1900 Federal census. . Porter C. and wife Georgie
B. have six children: Porter C., Jr., b. 1881; Thomas B,
b.1885; Celeste P, b. 1887; Medora, b. 1889; Foreman, b.1893;
and Bernard, b. 1897.
Bill LaBach in Georgetown, Kentucky.
References
1. http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/%7Ebldr/csaclay.html
Evening all on the CLAY list,
I have sent several emails to those who requested a copy of the Ancient History of the name CLAY.
If anyone who has requested it and not received a copy, please send me another email and I will send.
Tim - thanks for your email.
Regards,
Glynis
Hi Glynis
I did not receive the information. Thanks you in advance
David Yielding
Quoting Glynis <glynis(a)kwikmark.co.za>:
> Evening all on the CLAY list,
>
> I have sent several emails to those who requested a copy of the Ancient
> History of the name CLAY.
>
> If anyone who has requested it and not received a copy, please send me
> another email and I will send.
>
> Tim - thanks for your email.
>
> Regards,
> Glynis
>
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Glynis,
I'd love a copy of the Clay surname ancient history. My Clay line is through
David Clay,Rev. soldier from North Carolina. Thank you.
Eleanor Griffies
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