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Hello Kathy, Thanks for forwarding my email on to Debbie. Will look forward to hearing from her. I just picked up my mail ( always have it stopped when we go out of town) and a Bailey descendent has sent me a copy of a lady that got in on Richard Bailey and she had his birth date in 1748 which I think is in error, all my research I came accross his birth date is 1735 and one 1740. Also, when I looked her number up on the DAR website it stated needed more proof. I'am glad I sent off to Washington DC for his military record. Maybe a clue of birth date and more on service. I thank you anyway for the offer to look him up. We can keep in touch on the Belcher and Clay line. Something new may show up ! Always good to get new tidbits of history on the families in our line. Thank you again for everything. Welda Hunt email: hlhunt(a)suddenlink.net
There is solid documentary evidence that Charles Clay and Hannah Wilson are
ancestors of the Mitchell Clay line. "Best evidence" supports the
conclusiion that John Clay, who arrived in the Treasurer in 1612, is the
father of Charles Clay. The Jamestown Society recognizes John Clay as an
"Old Planter." I do not know whether the Jamestown Society recognizes John
as the father of Charles.
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From: "Harold Hunt" <hlhunt(a)suddenlink.net>
To: <clay-l(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 22, 2008 5:26 PM
Subject: [CLAY] John Clay
> Mr. Clay, I'am working on the Belcher and Clay line. My ancestor is
> Elizabeth Anne Belcher, daughter of Mary Obedience Clay and Richard
> Belcher. Do you have any information on this line? I understand our line
> goes back to John Clay (Claye) - Jamestown immigrant. Do you belong to the
> Jamestown Society? Is there any existing documentation of our line going
> back to Jamestown? I'am a DAR, but haven't found any direct proof that far
> back. Any information you can share will be greatly appreciated. Thank
> you, Welda Hunt email: hlhunt(a)suddenlink.net
>
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I'm not Mr. Clay (which one are you referring too?) Welda, but the following
link has good documentation for the CLAY line:
_http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=moseley1&id=I1...
(http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=PED&db=moseley1&id=I11617)
In a message dated 10/23/2008 12:55:23 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
hlhunt(a)suddenlink.net writes:
Mr. Clay, I'am working on the Belcher and Clay line. My ancestor is
Elizabeth Anne Belcher, daughter of Mary Obedience Clay and Richard Belcher. Do
you have any information on this line? I understand our line goes back to John
Clay (Claye) - Jamestown immigrant. Do you belong to the Jamestown Society?
Is there any existing documentation of our line going back to Jamestown? I'am
a DAR, but haven't found any direct proof that far back. Any information you
can share will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Welda Hunt email:
hlhunt(a)suddenlink.net
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Mr. Clay, I'am working on the Belcher and Clay line. My ancestor is Elizabeth Anne Belcher, daughter of Mary Obedience Clay and Richard Belcher. Do you have any information on this line? I understand our line goes back to John Clay (Claye) - Jamestown immigrant. Do you belong to the Jamestown Society? Is there any existing documentation of our line going back to Jamestown? I'am a DAR, but haven't found any direct proof that far back. Any information you can share will be greatly appreciated. Thank you, Welda Hunt email: hlhunt(a)suddenlink.net
Thanks Pat. Sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't.Connie
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Subject: Re: [CLAY] Abraham Clay connection to Henry Clay line at all?
I'm forwarding this reply from Connie Collins, because it hasn't shown up on
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From: Connie Collins [mailto:conniecollins@earthwave.net]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 5:07 PM
To: CLAY-L-request(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: [CLAY] Abraham Clay connection to Henry Clay line at all?
Hello Patty: I can't help you with many of your questions but I can tell you
the source of the name Green. My 7th GGrandfather Dr. Henry Clay III of
Bourbon County, KY was a double first cousin of Gen. Green Clay. Their
fathers were brothers and their mothers were sisters-Lucy and Martha Green.
The Greens are said to be descended from Henry Filmer and you find the Green
name used a lot in those families. Now the Jamesons or the Jamisons. There
were many in Montgomery County Kentucky and a number of families moved to
Lincoln County, MO. There is a Jameson connection in the Dr. Henry Clay
family. His daughter Elizabeth, my 6th g grandmother married John Bruce and
they lived in Garrard County. Their oldest son, John, married Anna Doty,
whose mother was Rebecca Jamison Doty from Rockbridge, VA. John and Anna's
daughter Mahala Bruce married William Jameson and they moved to Lincoln
County, MO. There is a lot of information on the Lincoln County Ancestry
Forum. Hope this helps. Connie Collins
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From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of Archer, Patricia E.
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 3:37 PM
To: CLAY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CLAY] Abraham Clay connection to Henry Clay line at all?
I tried to email Robin Oliver from a message I saw on the Clay Genealogy
Forum, but came back undeliverable. Anyone working on the Henry Clay line
that might be able to help me figure this out I would appreciate your
feedback. Thanks...
Robin,
I saw your name on the Clay Genealogy Forum and saw that you are doing
extensive research on the Clay line (Henry Clay and others) and thought you
might be able to help me.
Here is my dilemma. I descend from Abraham Clay b.c. 1764 PA? d. about Sep
1832 in Montgomery Co., MO. I then descend from Abraham's daughter, Mary
Ida Clay b. 1795 NC d.c. 1855 Lincoln Co., MO.
Abraham appears in the 1790 Lincoln Co., NC census. He then moved to
Fayette Co., KY by 1800 and appears on the tax list of Fayette Co., KY for
11/7/1800. Abraham lived in Fayette Co., KY from at least 1800 until about
1829/1830 and then moved to Montgomery Co., MO and appears in the 1830
Montgomery Co., MO census. He appears in the Records of Fayette Co., KY by
Michael Cook showing the marriages of his children. Abraham married Mary
Jones, dau. of Joseph Jones, Dec. 11, 1789 in Lincoln Co., NC. The only
other Clays in that county at the time are Nicholas Clay, Isaac Clay and
Susannah Clay. Abraham was surety at his sister Susannah's wedding to John
Sigel (Seagle) Jr. in 1792 in that county. Abraham's brother Isaac Clay
married Barbara Seagle (sister to John) in that county in 1793. Isaac is
named as executor of Nicholas Clay's will in 1803 and was supposed to be in
the NC State Archives, but evidently some records were destroyed by water
and this will is missing or!
destroyed. But the mention of it does tie Nicholas to Isaac, and
therefore to Abraham and Susannah. So, I believe Nicholas Clay is the
father of these three. Nicholas was buried in the Daniel's Evangelical
Reformed and Daniel's Lutheran Cemetery in Lincoln Co., NC. This leads me
to believe that Nicholas is of German descent. Nicholas came out of
Lancaster Co., PA and purchased land in Lincoln Co., NC in 1769. Another
researcher on this line found who she believes to be Nicholas' father's
will, Theobald Klee. She believes that Nicholas was born 1735 in Germany
and that they came over on the ship Glasgow to Philadelphia in 1738.
Theobald's will shows his wife to be Elizabeth Margareta and son John
Nicholas Klee, as well as many daughters. Nicholas married Catharine
Wegerlin Gingerich/Kingery, dau. of Paulus & Ottilia (Bayer) Wegerlin. This
researcher also says that she has a record showing Nicholas' name written in
the German form of Klee, so it would appear to be !
that we are right in tracking the German ancestry. Now, my dilemma co
mes in with the fact that my GGG Grandmother, Mary Ida (Clay) Jameson is
mentioned in county histories to be a cousin to Henry Clay, the famous
orator of Kentucky. Now for years I have discounted this, thinking that
someone probably just assumed that because of the fact that they have the
same last name and that Mary married her husband George Jameson in Fayette
Co., KY where Henry Clay was also from. Also, my George Jameson was born in
Madison Co., KY where the famous Gen. Green Clay was from. Also, Mary and
George named one of their children Green Henry Clay Jameson. A researcher
in Lincoln Co., MO sent me a newspaper article that he had on George and
Mary (Clay) Jameson too, and this article said that Mary was the daughter of
Gen. Green Clay. Now, I have seen a copy of Green Clay's will, and it seems
that his family is very well documented and there is no way that my Mary is
his daughter. Also, my Mary Clay married George Jameson in Fayette Co., KY
and her father Ab!
raham Clay was surety and also gave consent. So that should shoot down
that idea. So, I did some research on the Henry Clay line years ago to see
if there was any merit to these claims and did not find where Abraham Clay
or Nicholas Clay fit in with this family. So now here I am, at the library
a few days ago and doing some research on one of Abraham's daughters,
Elizabeth Anne "Betsey" (Clay) McChesney Remington, and what do I see, but
another reference to the fact that they are cousin to Henry Clay, this time
giving a little more detail. This is really aggravating me, as I would like
to put this to rest, but these keep popping up and I can't very well ignore
it. I mean my Jameson line and this Remington line never even spoke to one
another, yet here is a claim that this line is cousin to Henry Clay too.
Here is the info.:
Chronicles of Cynthiana and other chronicles by Mrs. L. Boyd (Harrison Co.,
KY)
published Cincinnati; Robvert Clarke & Co., 1894
The Remgintons are of English descent. They come of a long line of
ancestry, as reference to the book of Heraldry will show. The immediate
ancestors of Greenup Remington came to Kentucky at a very early period, and
rank among the pioneer families of the state. Greenup Remington's first
wife was a Miss Hamilton, daughter of Captain John Hamilton. The children
of his first marriage are Mrs. Elizabeth Smith, Mrs. Caroline Taylor, Mrs.
Oder and F.T. Remington, of Paris, Kentucky. Mr. Remington's first wife
died and he married Elizabeth Clay McChesney Remington, a young widow. She
belonged to the family of Henry Clay, the first orator of this state. The
grandfather of Elizabeth Clay Remington, John Clay, and the grandfather of
Henry Clay being first cousins. Elizabeth Clay Remington was one of the
best Christians that ever lived; her whole life was spent in the service of
God. The children of Greenup and Elizabeth C. Remington are Mrs. Deadmon,
Mrs. J.S. Withers, Mrs. El!
iza McChesney and J. A. Remington, merhant of this town.
So, you can see that this says that Elizabeth's grandfather was John Clay, a
first cousin to Henry Clay's grandfather. So if you look at the Clay family
tree info, you see that Henry Clay's grandfather was John Clay (m. Sarah
Watkins). So this means that this John Clay's first cousin, John Clay
should be the connection. Both of them being grandchildren of Charles &
Hannah (Wilson) Clay. So, we know that Henry Clay's great grandfather was
Henry Clay (m. Mary Mitchell), so my "supposed John Clay" should be a son to
one of this Henry's brothers. As far as I can see in the Henry Clay family
tree, the sons of Charles & Hannah (Wilson) Clay were John, Thomas, Henry
(m. Mary Mitchell), and Charles. So that leaves us with John, Thomas or
Charles as John's father. The only information I found on the oldest
brother John was that he married 1. Mary Bass 2. Mary Watkins Ross, and the
only child I saw for him was Mary b. 1702. Whether there are more children,
I don't know. Anoth!
er of the brothers, Thomas (m. Mary Munns) had children Hannah, James,
Charles, Dorothy, John, Phoebe, and Hannah. So here is one that has a son
John (b. 1712 m. 1. Sarah Tucker 2. Sarah Chappell?, ch.: Amey, Sarah,
Martha, Dorothy, Phoebe, John), but I do not see a son named Abraham for
this "John". Another brother, Charles (m. Sarah ________), ch.: Charles,
William, Thomas, Judith, Henry, James. I do not see a "John" as a child for
this brother. So there are my options if I am going by this "Cynthiana"
history. Doesn't appear to be any matches. Now this researcher that is
working with me on our Clay NC line says that she has seen several
references in histories to Nicholas Clay being a cousin, brother, etc. to
Henry Clay too. I wish I knew if there was any merit to this or not. I'd
like to rule this out and am hoping that you could tell me what you think.
Most people would probably be trying to link theirselves to someone famous,
but I just care about getting t!
he genealogy right, and it's just really bugging me that this keeps co
ming up.
We do have a history of the name Green being used in the family as a first
name. You would think this would come from a surname in the family, but one
also has to keep in mind that many people were fond of Gen. Nathaniel
Greene, Rev. War general whose soldiers thought a great deal about him and
undoubtedly many children were named for. But, in my case, my Abraham did
name a son Green H. Clay. Abraham's daughter Mary Ida (Clay) Jameson named
a son Green Henry Clay Jameson. Mary's son, Allen Clay "Clay" Jameson had a
grandson that was also named Green Montgomery Jameson. So the name was
definitely passed down.
My Nicholas Clay (also called John Nicholas) appears to have married
Catharine (Wegerlin) Gingerich/Kingery in either Cumberland or Lancaster
Co., PA in about 1758-1760, before moving to Lincoln Co., NC. Do you know
if there were any of the Clays of the English descent in the Lancaster or
Cumberland Co. areas of PA?
My Abraham Clay's children were: 1. Catherine Clay b. 1790 NC d. Boone Co.,
MO (m. Alexander Douglass, lived in Harrison Co., KY before moving to Boone
Co., MO) 2. Nicholas Clay b.c. 1794 NC 3. Mary Ida Clay b. 1795 NC d. c.
1855 Lincoln Co., MO (m. George W. Jameson, moved to Lincoln Co., MO) 4.
Abram J. Clay b.1799 KY (m. Rachel White, lived in Shelby Co., KY) 5. Ann
Clay b. Dec. 17, 1800 KY d. Feb. 25, 1846 KY (m. Thompson Butler) 6. Susan
Clay b.c. 1802 (m. William C. Rainey) 7. Sarah "Sally" Clay b.c. 1804 (m.
Benjamin Bryan, lived in Montgomery Co., MO, but I think he moved back to KY
and I believe their son is the Abram C. Bryan m. Elizabeth Oder) 8.
Elizabeth Anne "Betsey" Clay b. 1805 KY d. Cynthiana, Harrison Co., KY (m.
1. Samuel McChesney 2. Greenup Remington) 9. John Clay b.c. 1807 KY 10.
Green H. Clay b.c. 1809 KY (He's in a court record in Pike Co., MO in 1833)
11. Isaac S. Clay b. 1812 KY d. 1870-1880 Pike Co., MO. (m. Mary Fields? or
Nicholes? Montgomery Co.!
, MO, lived there and in Pike Co., MO).
These are the only children I have for Abraham. Here are records showing
Abraham in census records and marriage records for his kids, and the notices
ran in the newspaper after Abraham's death. Unfortunately, the courthouse
in Montgomery Co., MO burned down and all records prior to about 1902 were
lost. The only thing surviving are some of the land records.
Abraham Clay appears on the 1790 Lincoln Co., NC census record as follows:
p. 111 Abram Clay 1 male over 16; 3 females 4th Co. Morgan Dist.
p. 111 Nicolas Clay 3 males 16 & older; 1 female 2nd Co. Morgan Dist.
Abraham Clay appears on the 1800 Kentucky census record as follows:
Abraham Clay Fayette Co. 11/7/1800
Abraham Clay appears on the 1810 Fayette Co., KY census, page 23 as follows:
Males: 2- to 10; 2- 10 to 16; 1- 45 & up
Females: 3- to 10; 1- 10 to 16; 2- 16 to 26; 1- 26 to 45
5 slaves
Abraham Clay appears on the 1820 Fayette Co., KY census, page 83 as follows:
Males: 2- to 10; 1- 10 to 16; 2- 16 to 26; 1- 45 & up
Females: 2- 10 to 16; 4- 16 to 26; 1- 45 & up
Slaves:
Males: 1- to 14; 1- 14 to 26; 1- 45 & up
Females: 1- 14 to 16
Abraham Clay appears on the 1830 Montgomery Co., MO census, page 221,
Prairie Twp., as follows:
Males: 1- 15 to 20; 1- 20 to 30; 1- 60 to 70
Females: 1- 60 to 70
Slaves:
Males: 2- under 10; 2- 10 to 24; 2- 24 to 36
Females: 1- 24 to 36
Abraham's daughter, son-in-law and grandchildren are listed 5 doors down:
Benjamin & Sally Bryan
Males: 1- under 5; 2- 5 to 10; 1- 20 to 30
Females: 1- under 5
Marriage Records for children of Abraham Clay
Fayette Co., KY - Records Vol. III Michael Cooke and Bette A. Cummings Cook
p. 164
Benjamin Bryan to Sally Clay, with Abraham Clay as surety. May 28, 1822.
Abraham Clay father of bride, gave consent.
p. 60
Alexander Douglas to Catherine Clay, with Ambrose Bush as surety. July 24,
1810. Abraham Clay gave consent for his daughter.
p. 94
George Jameson to Mary Clay, with Abram Clay as surety. Oct. 12, 1814.
Consent of Parent personally given.
p. 170
William C. Rainey to Susan Clay, with Abram Clay as surety. Sept. 7, 1822.
Abram Clay, father of bride, gave consent.
p. 177
Samuel McChesney to Betsey Anne Clay, with Abram Clay as surety. June 9,
1823.
p. 228
Thompson Butler to Ann Clay with Abram Clay as surety. Sept. 28, 1829.
Father of bride gave consent.
>From this same series, Vol. IV
July 14, 1806
Abraham Clay asked to make appraisals of Charles Cade's (deceased) personal
estate.
>From Shelby Co., KY Marriages:
A.J. Clay to Rachel White m- 19 Oct 1828 Shelby Co., KY
John Clemerson to Mary J. Bryan; dau. of B.V.B. Bryan m- 10 March 1850 b-
A.J. Clay, guardian. [I think this Mary J. Bryan is the niece of Abram J.
Clay, dau. of Benjamin & Sally (Clay) Bryan. And I wonder if this is the
same Mary Jane (Clay) Chambers whose obituary is mentioned in KY Obits. If
so, then why Clemerson in marriage record and Chambers in the obit? Ky
Obits. 1787-1854 Clift - Mrs. Mary Jane Chambers wife of John Chambers of
Shelby Co., and dau. of B.B. Bryan of Fayette Co. Died Oct. 24, 1852 aged 24
yrs. 8 mth. 8 days S 10/29.]
Abraham Clay died by September 1832 in Montgomery Co., MO. His list of
heirs is in the Missouri Republican and Salt River Journal newspapers. His
heirs are listed a little different in each account, but we know he had 6
daughters and 5 sons, according to census records.
Clay, Abraham or Abram - Montgomery Co. MO Lawsuit
MORE (Missouri Republican) 25 Sep 1832
SALT (Salt River Journal) 23 Aug 1840
Missouri Republican - Sep 25, 1832:
Notice is hereby given to Alexander Douglas and Catharine Douglas, his wife,
formerly Catharine Clay, Nicholas Clay, William C. Rainey and Susan Rainey,
his wife, formerly Susan Clay, Abram J. Clay, Thompson Butler and Ann
Butler, formerly Ann Clay, Elizabeth McChesnay, formerly Alizabeth Clay, and
John Clay, heirs and legal representatives of Abram Clay, deceased, that I
shall apply to the County Court of Montgomery County at their next November
Term, commencing on the second Monday of said month, for an order directing
the sale of the slaves of said estate, because a division in kind thereof
cannot be effected; when and where you may attend if you think proper.
Sep 17 Isaac S. Clay, one of the heirs of Abram Clay, dec'd.
Salt River Journal - Aug 23, 1840:
Sate of Missouri
County of Montgomery
To Catherine Douglass, Green H. Clay, Isaac Clay, Joseph Bryan, Abram Bryan,
Enoch Bryan, Mary Bryan, Benjamin Bryan and John Bryan, Children of Sarah
Bryan, formerly Sarah Clay, Mary Johnson, Susan Rainey, Abraham Clay,
Elizabeth Remmington. John Clay and Ann Butler, heirs and representatives
of Abraham Clay, deceased, and to all others interested: TAKE NOTICE.
That on the first day of the next county court for the county of Montgomery,
and State of Missouri, commencing on the first Monday in November, A.D.
1840, or as soon thereafter as hearing can be had. I shall make application
to said Court, for an order for the sale of the slaves belonging to the
Estate of Abraham Clay deceased, and for distribution rights of the parties,
entitled thereto.
Stephen Williams, Adm'r
dr bonis non Est. Abraham Clay, dec.
August 22, 1840 - Sw.
[The Mary "Johnson" above should read as "Jameson", not Johnson.]
Well, thanks so much for taking a look at this and let me know what you
think.
Patty (Jamerson) Archer
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At 08:37 AM 10/21/2008, you wrote:
>Connie Collins" <conniecollins(a)earthwave.net>
Connie,
Your message did not come through.
Faye Blacklock
cnfb(a)pegasusbb.com
-----Original Message-----
From: Connie Collins [mailto:conniecollins@earthwave.net]
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2008 5:07 PM
To: CLAY-L-request(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: RE: [CLAY] Abraham Clay connection to Henry Clay line at all?
Hello Patty: I can't help you with many of your questions but I can tell you
the source of the name Green. My 7th GGrandfather Dr. Henry Clay III of
Bourbon County, KY was a double first cousin of Gen. Green Clay. Their
fathers were brothers and their mothers were sisters-Lucy and Martha Green.
The Greens are said to be descended from Henry Filmer and you find the Green
name used a lot in those families. Now the Jamesons or the Jamisons. There
were many in Montgomery County Kentucky and a number of families moved to
Lincoln County, MO. There is a Jameson connection in the Dr. Henry Clay
family. His daughter Elizabeth, my 6th g grandmother married John Bruce and
they lived in Garrard County. Their oldest son, John, married Anna Doty,
whose mother was Rebecca Jamison Doty from Rockbridge, VA. John and Anna's
daughter Mahala Bruce married William Jameson and they moved to Lincoln
County, MO. There is a lot of information on the Lincoln County Ancestry
Forum. Hope this helps. Connie Collins
-----Original Message-----
Hi Patty - I just read your email and will go back and look it over carefully and compare it with my notes. But at first blush a couple of things seem to stand out:
- You seem to have done nice sleuthing along your Clay/Klee line which obviously makes a connection to the VA/KY Clays of Henry's family problematic.
- Often, the sources of info for those old county histories were the families being profiles themselves - so if one of your ancestors came to believe him or herself kin to the statesman, s/he would have told that to the history-writers.
- I think that there was no Mary Watkins Ross. But I'm writing from memory and need to check that.
It will take a while before I respond again. Hopefully you will get other answers in the meantime.
Ned Boyajian
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Archer, Patricia E." <parcher(a)umsl.edu>
>Sent: Oct 19, 2008 6:37 PM
>To: CLAY-L(a)rootsweb.com
>Subject: [CLAY] Abraham Clay connection to Henry Clay line at all?
>
>I tried to email Robin Oliver from a message I saw on the Clay Genealogy Forum, but came back undeliverable. Anyone working on the Henry Clay line that might be able to help me figure this out I would appreciate your feedback. Thanks...
>
>Robin,
>I saw your name on the Clay Genealogy Forum and saw that you are doing extensive research on the Clay line (Henry Clay and others) and thought you might be able to help me.
>
>Here is my dilemma. I descend from Abraham Clay b.c. 1764 PA? d. about Sep 1832 in Montgomery Co., MO. I then descend from Abraham's daughter, Mary Ida Clay b. 1795 NC d.c. 1855 Lincoln Co., MO.
>
>Abraham appears in the 1790 Lincoln Co., NC census. He then moved to Fayette Co., KY by 1800 and appears on the tax list of Fayette Co., KY for 11/7/1800. Abraham lived in Fayette Co., KY from at least 1800 until about 1829/1830 and then moved to Montgomery Co., MO and appears in the 1830 Montgomery Co., MO census. He appears in the Records of Fayette Co., KY by Michael Cook showing the marriages of his children. Abraham married Mary Jones, dau. of Joseph Jones, Dec. 11, 1789 in Lincoln Co., NC. The only other Clays in that county at the time are Nicholas Clay, Isaac Clay and Susannah Clay. Abraham was surety at his sister Susannah's wedding to John Sigel (Seagle) Jr. in 1792 in that county. Abraham's brother Isaac Clay married Barbara Seagle (sister to John) in that county in 1793. Isaac is named as executor of Nicholas Clay's will in 1803 and was supposed to be in the NC State Archives, but evidently some records were destroyed by water and this will is missing o!
r!
> destroyed. But the mention of it does tie Nicholas to Isaac, and therefore to Abraham and Susannah. So, I believe Nicholas Clay is the father of these three. Nicholas was buried in the Daniel's Evangelical Reformed and Daniel's Lutheran Cemetery in Lincoln Co., NC. This leads me to believe that Nicholas is of German descent. Nicholas came out of Lancaster Co., PA and purchased land in Lincoln Co., NC in 1769. Another researcher on this line found who she believes to be Nicholas' father's will, Theobald Klee. She believes that Nicholas was born 1735 in Germany and that they came over on the ship Glasgow to Philadelphia in 1738. Theobald's will shows his wife to be Elizabeth Margareta and son John Nicholas Klee, as well as many daughters. Nicholas married Catharine Wegerlin Gingerich/Kingery, dau. of Paulus & Ottilia (Bayer) Wegerlin. This researcher also says that she has a record showing Nicholas' name written in the German form of Klee, so it would appear to be!
!
> that we are right in tracking the German ancestry. Now, my dilemma co
>mes in with the fact that my GGG Grandmother, Mary Ida (Clay) Jameson is mentioned in county histories to be a cousin to Henry Clay, the famous orator of Kentucky. Now for years I have discounted this, thinking that someone probably just assumed that because of the fact that they have the same last name and that Mary married her husband George Jameson in Fayette Co., KY where Henry Clay was also from. Also, my George Jameson was born in Madison Co., KY where the famous Gen. Green Clay was from. Also, Mary and George named one of their children Green Henry Clay Jameson. A researcher in Lincoln Co., MO sent me a newspaper article that he had on George and Mary (Clay) Jameson too, and this article said that Mary was the daughter of Gen. Green Clay. Now, I have seen a copy of Green Clay's will, and it seems that his family is very well documented and there is no way that my Mary is his daughter. Also, my Mary Clay married George Jameson in Fayette Co., KY and her father A!
b!
> raham Clay was surety and also gave consent. So that should shoot down that idea. So, I did some research on the Henry Clay line years ago to see if there was any merit to these claims and did not find where Abraham Clay or Nicholas Clay fit in with this family. So now here I am, at the library a few days ago and doing some research on one of Abraham's daughters, Elizabeth Anne "Betsey" (Clay) McChesney Remington, and what do I see, but another reference to the fact that they are cousin to Henry Clay, this time giving a little more detail. This is really aggravating me, as I would like to put this to rest, but these keep popping up and I can't very well ignore it. I mean my Jameson line and this Remington line never even spoke to one another, yet here is a claim that this line is cousin to Henry Clay too. Here is the info.:
>
>Chronicles of Cynthiana and other chronicles by Mrs. L. Boyd (Harrison Co., KY)
>published Cincinnati; Robvert Clarke & Co., 1894
>
>The Remgintons are of English descent. They come of a long line of ancestry, as reference to the book of Heraldry will show. The immediate ancestors of Greenup Remington came to Kentucky at a very early period, and rank among the pioneer families of the state. Greenup Remington's first wife was a Miss Hamilton, daughter of Captain John Hamilton. The children of his first marriage are Mrs. Elizabeth Smith, Mrs. Caroline Taylor, Mrs. Oder and F.T. Remington, of Paris, Kentucky. Mr. Remington's first wife died and he married Elizabeth Clay McChesney Remington, a young widow. She belonged to the family of Henry Clay, the first orator of this state. The grandfather of Elizabeth Clay Remington, John Clay, and the grandfather of Henry Clay being first cousins. Elizabeth Clay Remington was one of the best Christians that ever lived; her whole life was spent in the service of God. The children of Greenup and Elizabeth C. Remington are Mrs. Deadmon, Mrs. J.S. Withers, Mrs. E!
l!
> iza McChesney and J. A. Remington, merhant of this town.
>
>So, you can see that this says that Elizabeth's grandfather was John Clay, a first cousin to Henry Clay's grandfather. So if you look at the Clay family tree info, you see that Henry Clay's grandfather was John Clay (m. Sarah Watkins). So this means that this John Clay's first cousin, John Clay should be the connection. Both of them being grandchildren of Charles & Hannah (Wilson) Clay. So, we know that Henry Clay's great grandfather was Henry Clay (m. Mary Mitchell), so my "supposed John Clay" should be a son to one of this Henry's brothers. As far as I can see in the Henry Clay family tree, the sons of Charles & Hannah (Wilson) Clay were John, Thomas, Henry (m. Mary Mitchell), and Charles. So that leaves us with John, Thomas or Charles as John's father. The only information I found on the oldest brother John was that he married 1. Mary Bass 2. Mary Watkins Ross, and the only child I saw for him was Mary b. 1702. Whether there are more children, I don't know. Anot!
h!
> er of the brothers, Thomas (m. Mary Munns) had children Hannah, James, Charles, Dorothy, John, Phoebe, and Hannah. So here is one that has a son John (b. 1712 m. 1. Sarah Tucker 2. Sarah Chappell?, ch.: Amey, Sarah, Martha, Dorothy, Phoebe, John), but I do not see a son named Abraham for this "John". Another brother, Charles (m. Sarah ________), ch.: Charles, William, Thomas, Judith, Henry, James. I do not see a "John" as a child for this brother. So there are my options if I am going by this "Cynthiana" history. Doesn't appear to be any matches. Now this researcher that is working with me on our Clay NC line says that she has seen several references in histories to Nicholas Clay being a cousin, brother, etc. to Henry Clay too. I wish I knew if there was any merit to this or not. I'd like to rule this out and am hoping that you could tell me what you think. Most people would probably be trying to link theirselves to someone famous, but I just care about getting !
t!
> he genealogy right, and it's just really bugging me that this keeps co
>ming up.
>
>We do have a history of the name Green being used in the family as a first name. You would think this would come from a surname in the family, but one also has to keep in mind that many people were fond of Gen. Nathaniel Greene, Rev. War general whose soldiers thought a great deal about him and undoubtedly many children were named for. But, in my case, my Abraham did name a son Green H. Clay. Abraham's daughter Mary Ida (Clay) Jameson named a son Green Henry Clay Jameson. Mary's son, Allen Clay "Clay" Jameson had a grandson that was also named Green Montgomery Jameson. So the name was definitely passed down.
>
>My Nicholas Clay (also called John Nicholas) appears to have married Catharine (Wegerlin) Gingerich/Kingery in either Cumberland or Lancaster Co., PA in about 1758-1760, before moving to Lincoln Co., NC. Do you know if there were any of the Clays of the English descent in the Lancaster or Cumberland Co. areas of PA?
>
>My Abraham Clay's children were: 1. Catherine Clay b. 1790 NC d. Boone Co., MO (m. Alexander Douglass, lived in Harrison Co., KY before moving to Boone Co., MO) 2. Nicholas Clay b.c. 1794 NC 3. Mary Ida Clay b. 1795 NC d. c. 1855 Lincoln Co., MO (m. George W. Jameson, moved to Lincoln Co., MO) 4. Abram J. Clay b.1799 KY (m. Rachel White, lived in Shelby Co., KY) 5. Ann Clay b. Dec. 17, 1800 KY d. Feb. 25, 1846 KY (m. Thompson Butler) 6. Susan Clay b.c. 1802 (m. William C. Rainey) 7. Sarah "Sally" Clay b.c. 1804 (m. Benjamin Bryan, lived in Montgomery Co., MO, but I think he moved back to KY and I believe their son is the Abram C. Bryan m. Elizabeth Oder) 8. Elizabeth Anne "Betsey" Clay b. 1805 KY d. Cynthiana, Harrison Co., KY (m. 1. Samuel McChesney 2. Greenup Remington) 9. John Clay b.c. 1807 KY 10. Green H. Clay b.c. 1809 KY (He's in a court record in Pike Co., MO in 1833) 11. Isaac S. Clay b. 1812 KY d. 1870-1880 Pike Co., MO. (m. Mary Fields? or Nicholes? Montgomery Co!
.!
> , MO, lived there and in Pike Co., MO).
>
>These are the only children I have for Abraham. Here are records showing Abraham in census records and marriage records for his kids, and the notices ran in the newspaper after Abraham's death. Unfortunately, the courthouse in Montgomery Co., MO burned down and all records prior to about 1902 were lost. The only thing surviving are some of the land records.
>
>
>Abraham Clay appears on the 1790 Lincoln Co., NC census record as follows:
>
>p. 111 Abram Clay 1 male over 16; 3 females 4th Co. Morgan Dist.
>
>p. 111 Nicolas Clay 3 males 16 & older; 1 female 2nd Co. Morgan Dist.
>
>
>
>Abraham Clay appears on the 1800 Kentucky census record as follows:
>
>Abraham Clay Fayette Co. 11/7/1800
>
>
>
>Abraham Clay appears on the 1810 Fayette Co., KY census, page 23 as follows:
>
>Males: 2- to 10; 2- 10 to 16; 1- 45 & up
>
>Females: 3- to 10; 1- 10 to 16; 2- 16 to 26; 1- 26 to 45
>
>5 slaves
>
>
>
>Abraham Clay appears on the 1820 Fayette Co., KY census, page 83 as follows:
>
>Males: 2- to 10; 1- 10 to 16; 2- 16 to 26; 1- 45 & up
>
>Females: 2- 10 to 16; 4- 16 to 26; 1- 45 & up
>
>Slaves:
>
>Males: 1- to 14; 1- 14 to 26; 1- 45 & up
>
>Females: 1- 14 to 16
>
>
>
>Abraham Clay appears on the 1830 Montgomery Co., MO census, page 221, Prairie Twp., as follows:
>
>Males: 1- 15 to 20; 1- 20 to 30; 1- 60 to 70
>
>Females: 1- 60 to 70
>
>Slaves:
>
>Males: 2- under 10; 2- 10 to 24; 2- 24 to 36
>
>Females: 1- 24 to 36
>
>
>
>Abraham's daughter, son-in-law and grandchildren are listed 5 doors down:
>
>Benjamin & Sally Bryan
>
>Males: 1- under 5; 2- 5 to 10; 1- 20 to 30
>
>Females: 1- under 5
>
>
>
>Marriage Records for children of Abraham Clay
>
>Fayette Co., KY - Records Vol. III Michael Cooke and Bette A. Cummings Cook
>
>
>
>p. 164
>
>Benjamin Bryan to Sally Clay, with Abraham Clay as surety. May 28, 1822. Abraham Clay father of bride, gave consent.
>
>
>
>p. 60
>
>Alexander Douglas to Catherine Clay, with Ambrose Bush as surety. July 24, 1810. Abraham Clay gave consent for his daughter.
>
>
>
>p. 94
>
>George Jameson to Mary Clay, with Abram Clay as surety. Oct. 12, 1814. Consent of Parent personally given.
>
>
>
>p. 170
>
>William C. Rainey to Susan Clay, with Abram Clay as surety. Sept. 7, 1822. Abram Clay, father of bride, gave consent.
>
>
>
>p. 177
>
>Samuel McChesney to Betsey Anne Clay, with Abram Clay as surety. June 9, 1823.
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>
>
>p. 228
>
>Thompson Butler to Ann Clay with Abram Clay as surety. Sept. 28, 1829. Father of bride gave consent.
>
>
>
>>From this same series, Vol. IV
>
>July 14, 1806
>
>Abraham Clay asked to make appraisals of Charles Cade's (deceased) personal estate.
>
>
>
>>From Shelby Co., KY Marriages:
>
>
>
>A.J. Clay to Rachel White m- 19 Oct 1828 Shelby Co., KY
>
>
>
>John Clemerson to Mary J. Bryan; dau. of B.V.B. Bryan m- 10 March 1850 b- A.J. Clay, guardian. [I think this Mary J. Bryan is the niece of Abram J. Clay, dau. of Benjamin & Sally (Clay) Bryan. And I wonder if this is the same Mary Jane (Clay) Chambers whose obituary is mentioned in KY Obits. If so, then why Clemerson in marriage record and Chambers in the obit? Ky Obits. 1787-1854 Clift - Mrs. Mary Jane Chambers wife of John Chambers of Shelby Co., and dau. of B.B. Bryan of Fayette Co. Died Oct. 24, 1852 aged 24 yrs. 8 mth. 8 days S 10/29.]
>
>
>
>Abraham Clay died by September 1832 in Montgomery Co., MO. His list of heirs is in the Missouri Republican and Salt River Journal newspapers. His heirs are listed a little different in each account, but we know he had 6 daughters and 5 sons, according to census records.
>
>
>
>Clay, Abraham or Abram - Montgomery Co. MO Lawsuit
>
>MORE (Missouri Republican) 25 Sep 1832
>
>SALT (Salt River Journal) 23 Aug 1840
>
>
>
>Missouri Republican - Sep 25, 1832:
>
>Notice is hereby given to Alexander Douglas and Catharine Douglas, his wife, formerly Catharine Clay, Nicholas Clay, William C. Rainey and Susan Rainey, his wife, formerly Susan Clay, Abram J. Clay, Thompson Butler and Ann Butler, formerly Ann Clay, Elizabeth McChesnay, formerly Alizabeth Clay, and John Clay, heirs and legal representatives of Abram Clay, deceased, that I shall apply to the County Court of Montgomery County at their next November Term, commencing on the second Monday of said month, for an order directing the sale of the slaves of said estate, because a division in kind thereof cannot be effected; when and where you may attend if you think proper.
>
>Sep 17 Isaac S. Clay, one of the heirs of Abram Clay, dec'd.
>
>
>
>Salt River Journal - Aug 23, 1840:
>
>Sate of Missouri
>
>County of Montgomery
>
>To Catherine Douglass, Green H. Clay, Isaac Clay, Joseph Bryan, Abram Bryan, Enoch Bryan, Mary Bryan, Benjamin Bryan and John Bryan, Children of Sarah Bryan, formerly Sarah Clay, Mary Johnson, Susan Rainey, Abraham Clay, Elizabeth Remmington. John Clay and Ann Butler, heirs and representatives of Abraham Clay, deceased, and to all others interested: TAKE NOTICE.
>
>That on the first day of the next county court for the county of Montgomery, and State of Missouri, commencing on the first Monday in November, A.D. 1840, or as soon thereafter as hearing can be had. I shall make application to said Court, for an order for the sale of the slaves belonging to the Estate of Abraham Clay deceased, and for distribution rights of the parties, entitled thereto.
>
> Stephen Williams, Adm'r
>
> dr bonis non Est. Abraham Clay, dec.
>
>August 22, 1840 - Sw.
>
>[The Mary "Johnson" above should read as "Jameson", not Johnson.]
>
>
>
>Well, thanks so much for taking a look at this and let me know what you think.
>
>
>
>Patty (Jamerson) Archer
>
>
>
>
>
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I tried to email Robin Oliver from a message I saw on the Clay Genealogy Forum, but came back undeliverable. Anyone working on the Henry Clay line that might be able to help me figure this out I would appreciate your feedback. Thanks...
Robin,
I saw your name on the Clay Genealogy Forum and saw that you are doing extensive research on the Clay line (Henry Clay and others) and thought you might be able to help me.
Here is my dilemma. I descend from Abraham Clay b.c. 1764 PA? d. about Sep 1832 in Montgomery Co., MO. I then descend from Abraham's daughter, Mary Ida Clay b. 1795 NC d.c. 1855 Lincoln Co., MO.
Abraham appears in the 1790 Lincoln Co., NC census. He then moved to Fayette Co., KY by 1800 and appears on the tax list of Fayette Co., KY for 11/7/1800. Abraham lived in Fayette Co., KY from at least 1800 until about 1829/1830 and then moved to Montgomery Co., MO and appears in the 1830 Montgomery Co., MO census. He appears in the Records of Fayette Co., KY by Michael Cook showing the marriages of his children. Abraham married Mary Jones, dau. of Joseph Jones, Dec. 11, 1789 in Lincoln Co., NC. The only other Clays in that county at the time are Nicholas Clay, Isaac Clay and Susannah Clay. Abraham was surety at his sister Susannah's wedding to John Sigel (Seagle) Jr. in 1792 in that county. Abraham's brother Isaac Clay married Barbara Seagle (sister to John) in that county in 1793. Isaac is named as executor of Nicholas Clay's will in 1803 and was supposed to be in the NC State Archives, but evidently some records were destroyed by water and this will is missing or!
destroyed. But the mention of it does tie Nicholas to Isaac, and therefore to Abraham and Susannah. So, I believe Nicholas Clay is the father of these three. Nicholas was buried in the Daniel's Evangelical Reformed and Daniel's Lutheran Cemetery in Lincoln Co., NC. This leads me to believe that Nicholas is of German descent. Nicholas came out of Lancaster Co., PA and purchased land in Lincoln Co., NC in 1769. Another researcher on this line found who she believes to be Nicholas' father's will, Theobald Klee. She believes that Nicholas was born 1735 in Germany and that they came over on the ship Glasgow to Philadelphia in 1738. Theobald's will shows his wife to be Elizabeth Margareta and son John Nicholas Klee, as well as many daughters. Nicholas married Catharine Wegerlin Gingerich/Kingery, dau. of Paulus & Ottilia (Bayer) Wegerlin. This researcher also says that she has a record showing Nicholas' name written in the German form of Klee, so it would appear to be !
that we are right in tracking the German ancestry. Now, my di!
lemma co
mes in with the fact that my GGG Grandmother, Mary Ida (Clay) Jameson is mentioned in county histories to be a cousin to Henry Clay, the famous orator of Kentucky. Now for years I have discounted this, thinking that someone probably just assumed that because of the fact that they have the same last name and that Mary married her husband George Jameson in Fayette Co., KY where Henry Clay was also from. Also, my George Jameson was born in Madison Co., KY where the famous Gen. Green Clay was from. Also, Mary and George named one of their children Green Henry Clay Jameson. A researcher in Lincoln Co., MO sent me a newspaper article that he had on George and Mary (Clay) Jameson too, and this article said that Mary was the daughter of Gen. Green Clay. Now, I have seen a copy of Green Clay's will, and it seems that his family is very well documented and there is no way that my Mary is his daughter. Also, my Mary Clay married George Jameson in Fayette Co., KY and her father Ab!
raham Clay was surety and also gave consent. So that should shoot down that idea. So, I did some research on the Henry Clay line years ago to see if there was any merit to these claims and did not find where Abraham Clay or Nicholas Clay fit in with this family. So now here I am, at the library a few days ago and doing some research on one of Abraham's daughters, Elizabeth Anne "Betsey" (Clay) McChesney Remington, and what do I see, but another reference to the fact that they are cousin to Henry Clay, this time giving a little more detail. This is really aggravating me, as I would like to put this to rest, but these keep popping up and I can't very well ignore it. I mean my Jameson line and this Remington line never even spoke to one another, yet here is a claim that this line is cousin to Henry Clay too. Here is the info.:
Chronicles of Cynthiana and other chronicles by Mrs. L. Boyd (Harrison Co., KY)
published Cincinnati; Robvert Clarke & Co., 1894
The Remgintons are of English descent. They come of a long line of ancestry, as reference to the book of Heraldry will show. The immediate ancestors of Greenup Remington came to Kentucky at a very early period, and rank among the pioneer families of the state. Greenup Remington's first wife was a Miss Hamilton, daughter of Captain John Hamilton. The children of his first marriage are Mrs. Elizabeth Smith, Mrs. Caroline Taylor, Mrs. Oder and F.T. Remington, of Paris, Kentucky. Mr. Remington's first wife died and he married Elizabeth Clay McChesney Remington, a young widow. She belonged to the family of Henry Clay, the first orator of this state. The grandfather of Elizabeth Clay Remington, John Clay, and the grandfather of Henry Clay being first cousins. Elizabeth Clay Remington was one of the best Christians that ever lived; her whole life was spent in the service of God. The children of Greenup and Elizabeth C. Remington are Mrs. Deadmon, Mrs. J.S. Withers, Mrs. El!
iza McChesney and J. A. Remington, merhant of this town.
So, you can see that this says that Elizabeth's grandfather was John Clay, a first cousin to Henry Clay's grandfather. So if you look at the Clay family tree info, you see that Henry Clay's grandfather was John Clay (m. Sarah Watkins). So this means that this John Clay's first cousin, John Clay should be the connection. Both of them being grandchildren of Charles & Hannah (Wilson) Clay. So, we know that Henry Clay's great grandfather was Henry Clay (m. Mary Mitchell), so my "supposed John Clay" should be a son to one of this Henry's brothers. As far as I can see in the Henry Clay family tree, the sons of Charles & Hannah (Wilson) Clay were John, Thomas, Henry (m. Mary Mitchell), and Charles. So that leaves us with John, Thomas or Charles as John's father. The only information I found on the oldest brother John was that he married 1. Mary Bass 2. Mary Watkins Ross, and the only child I saw for him was Mary b. 1702. Whether there are more children, I don't know. Anoth!
er of the brothers, Thomas (m. Mary Munns) had children Hannah, James, Charles, Dorothy, John, Phoebe, and Hannah. So here is one that has a son John (b. 1712 m. 1. Sarah Tucker 2. Sarah Chappell?, ch.: Amey, Sarah, Martha, Dorothy, Phoebe, John), but I do not see a son named Abraham for this "John". Another brother, Charles (m. Sarah ________), ch.: Charles, William, Thomas, Judith, Henry, James. I do not see a "John" as a child for this brother. So there are my options if I am going by this "Cynthiana" history. Doesn't appear to be any matches. Now this researcher that is working with me on our Clay NC line says that she has seen several references in histories to Nicholas Clay being a cousin, brother, etc. to Henry Clay too. I wish I knew if there was any merit to this or not. I'd like to rule this out and am hoping that you could tell me what you think. Most people would probably be trying to link theirselves to someone famous, but I just care about getting t!
he genealogy right, and it's just really bugging me that this !
keeps co
ming up.
We do have a history of the name Green being used in the family as a first name. You would think this would come from a surname in the family, but one also has to keep in mind that many people were fond of Gen. Nathaniel Greene, Rev. War general whose soldiers thought a great deal about him and undoubtedly many children were named for. But, in my case, my Abraham did name a son Green H. Clay. Abraham's daughter Mary Ida (Clay) Jameson named a son Green Henry Clay Jameson. Mary's son, Allen Clay "Clay" Jameson had a grandson that was also named Green Montgomery Jameson. So the name was definitely passed down.
My Nicholas Clay (also called John Nicholas) appears to have married Catharine (Wegerlin) Gingerich/Kingery in either Cumberland or Lancaster Co., PA in about 1758-1760, before moving to Lincoln Co., NC. Do you know if there were any of the Clays of the English descent in the Lancaster or Cumberland Co. areas of PA?
My Abraham Clay's children were: 1. Catherine Clay b. 1790 NC d. Boone Co., MO (m. Alexander Douglass, lived in Harrison Co., KY before moving to Boone Co., MO) 2. Nicholas Clay b.c. 1794 NC 3. Mary Ida Clay b. 1795 NC d. c. 1855 Lincoln Co., MO (m. George W. Jameson, moved to Lincoln Co., MO) 4. Abram J. Clay b.1799 KY (m. Rachel White, lived in Shelby Co., KY) 5. Ann Clay b. Dec. 17, 1800 KY d. Feb. 25, 1846 KY (m. Thompson Butler) 6. Susan Clay b.c. 1802 (m. William C. Rainey) 7. Sarah "Sally" Clay b.c. 1804 (m. Benjamin Bryan, lived in Montgomery Co., MO, but I think he moved back to KY and I believe their son is the Abram C. Bryan m. Elizabeth Oder) 8. Elizabeth Anne "Betsey" Clay b. 1805 KY d. Cynthiana, Harrison Co., KY (m. 1. Samuel McChesney 2. Greenup Remington) 9. John Clay b.c. 1807 KY 10. Green H. Clay b.c. 1809 KY (He's in a court record in Pike Co., MO in 1833) 11. Isaac S. Clay b. 1812 KY d. 1870-1880 Pike Co., MO. (m. Mary Fields? or Nicholes? Montgomery Co.!
, MO, lived there and in Pike Co., MO).
These are the only children I have for Abraham. Here are records showing Abraham in census records and marriage records for his kids, and the notices ran in the newspaper after Abraham's death. Unfortunately, the courthouse in Montgomery Co., MO burned down and all records prior to about 1902 were lost. The only thing surviving are some of the land records.
Abraham Clay appears on the 1790 Lincoln Co., NC census record as follows:
p. 111 Abram Clay 1 male over 16; 3 females 4th Co. Morgan Dist.
p. 111 Nicolas Clay 3 males 16 & older; 1 female 2nd Co. Morgan Dist.
Abraham Clay appears on the 1800 Kentucky census record as follows:
Abraham Clay Fayette Co. 11/7/1800
Abraham Clay appears on the 1810 Fayette Co., KY census, page 23 as follows:
Males: 2- to 10; 2- 10 to 16; 1- 45 & up
Females: 3- to 10; 1- 10 to 16; 2- 16 to 26; 1- 26 to 45
5 slaves
Abraham Clay appears on the 1820 Fayette Co., KY census, page 83 as follows:
Males: 2- to 10; 1- 10 to 16; 2- 16 to 26; 1- 45 & up
Females: 2- 10 to 16; 4- 16 to 26; 1- 45 & up
Slaves:
Males: 1- to 14; 1- 14 to 26; 1- 45 & up
Females: 1- 14 to 16
Abraham Clay appears on the 1830 Montgomery Co., MO census, page 221, Prairie Twp., as follows:
Males: 1- 15 to 20; 1- 20 to 30; 1- 60 to 70
Females: 1- 60 to 70
Slaves:
Males: 2- under 10; 2- 10 to 24; 2- 24 to 36
Females: 1- 24 to 36
Abraham's daughter, son-in-law and grandchildren are listed 5 doors down:
Benjamin & Sally Bryan
Males: 1- under 5; 2- 5 to 10; 1- 20 to 30
Females: 1- under 5
Marriage Records for children of Abraham Clay
Fayette Co., KY - Records Vol. III Michael Cooke and Bette A. Cummings Cook
p. 164
Benjamin Bryan to Sally Clay, with Abraham Clay as surety. May 28, 1822. Abraham Clay father of bride, gave consent.
p. 60
Alexander Douglas to Catherine Clay, with Ambrose Bush as surety. July 24, 1810. Abraham Clay gave consent for his daughter.
p. 94
George Jameson to Mary Clay, with Abram Clay as surety. Oct. 12, 1814. Consent of Parent personally given.
p. 170
William C. Rainey to Susan Clay, with Abram Clay as surety. Sept. 7, 1822. Abram Clay, father of bride, gave consent.
p. 177
Samuel McChesney to Betsey Anne Clay, with Abram Clay as surety. June 9, 1823.
p. 228
Thompson Butler to Ann Clay with Abram Clay as surety. Sept. 28, 1829. Father of bride gave consent.
>From this same series, Vol. IV
July 14, 1806
Abraham Clay asked to make appraisals of Charles Cade's (deceased) personal estate.
>From Shelby Co., KY Marriages:
A.J. Clay to Rachel White m- 19 Oct 1828 Shelby Co., KY
John Clemerson to Mary J. Bryan; dau. of B.V.B. Bryan m- 10 March 1850 b- A.J. Clay, guardian. [I think this Mary J. Bryan is the niece of Abram J. Clay, dau. of Benjamin & Sally (Clay) Bryan. And I wonder if this is the same Mary Jane (Clay) Chambers whose obituary is mentioned in KY Obits. If so, then why Clemerson in marriage record and Chambers in the obit? Ky Obits. 1787-1854 Clift - Mrs. Mary Jane Chambers wife of John Chambers of Shelby Co., and dau. of B.B. Bryan of Fayette Co. Died Oct. 24, 1852 aged 24 yrs. 8 mth. 8 days S 10/29.]
Abraham Clay died by September 1832 in Montgomery Co., MO. His list of heirs is in the Missouri Republican and Salt River Journal newspapers. His heirs are listed a little different in each account, but we know he had 6 daughters and 5 sons, according to census records.
Clay, Abraham or Abram - Montgomery Co. MO Lawsuit
MORE (Missouri Republican) 25 Sep 1832
SALT (Salt River Journal) 23 Aug 1840
Missouri Republican - Sep 25, 1832:
Notice is hereby given to Alexander Douglas and Catharine Douglas, his wife, formerly Catharine Clay, Nicholas Clay, William C. Rainey and Susan Rainey, his wife, formerly Susan Clay, Abram J. Clay, Thompson Butler and Ann Butler, formerly Ann Clay, Elizabeth McChesnay, formerly Alizabeth Clay, and John Clay, heirs and legal representatives of Abram Clay, deceased, that I shall apply to the County Court of Montgomery County at their next November Term, commencing on the second Monday of said month, for an order directing the sale of the slaves of said estate, because a division in kind thereof cannot be effected; when and where you may attend if you think proper.
Sep 17 Isaac S. Clay, one of the heirs of Abram Clay, dec'd.
Salt River Journal - Aug 23, 1840:
Sate of Missouri
County of Montgomery
To Catherine Douglass, Green H. Clay, Isaac Clay, Joseph Bryan, Abram Bryan, Enoch Bryan, Mary Bryan, Benjamin Bryan and John Bryan, Children of Sarah Bryan, formerly Sarah Clay, Mary Johnson, Susan Rainey, Abraham Clay, Elizabeth Remmington. John Clay and Ann Butler, heirs and representatives of Abraham Clay, deceased, and to all others interested: TAKE NOTICE.
That on the first day of the next county court for the county of Montgomery, and State of Missouri, commencing on the first Monday in November, A.D. 1840, or as soon thereafter as hearing can be had. I shall make application to said Court, for an order for the sale of the slaves belonging to the Estate of Abraham Clay deceased, and for distribution rights of the parties, entitled thereto.
Stephen Williams, Adm'r
dr bonis non Est. Abraham Clay, dec.
August 22, 1840 - Sw.
[The Mary "Johnson" above should read as "Jameson", not Johnson.]
Well, thanks so much for taking a look at this and let me know what you think.
Patty (Jamerson) Archer