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Hello Clay Cousins,
Does anyone have any information on John Clay, 1872 - 1908, and Imma Garvin, 1872-1899, buried together in the Limestone Cemetery, in Carter County, KY?
I appreciate any help.
Thank you,
Barbara Clay Pasch
Robin,
I wasn't clear. What I meant was, in the information you got from whomever,
was the name written/typed with quotation marks? Or not.
Did you add them when you sent the query to the list.
And, otherwise, where did the information come from? May be able to track it
that way.
If the former, "Clay" may have been a nickname for "Charlotte".
Pat
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Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 7:33 PM
To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Eugeinia Charlotte "Clay" Overstreet
I don't know the reason for the "Clay". I found that info in some of
research papers and I can't place her anywhere as a descendant of John Clay,
emigrant. As you can see her father's surname was Overstreet, so I have no
idea about
the Clay. Was hoping someone could help. Robin
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I don't know the reason for the "Clay". I found that info in some of
research papers and I can't place her anywhere as a descendant of John Clay,
emigrant. As you can see her father's surname was Overstreet, so I have no idea about
the Clay. Was hoping someone could help. Robin
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Who is this????????????????????? Does anyone know if she is a descendant of
John Clay, emigrant to Jamestown? Robin
Descendants of Eugenia Charlotte Overstreet
1 Eugenia Charlotte "Clay" OVERSTREET b: February 28, 1869 in Bedford County,
Virginia d: March 16, 1943 in Unknown Burial: in Evington Methodist Church
Cemetery, Bedford Co VA # chldn: 10 She was the daughter of William C.
overstreet (1837-) and Julia Catherine Dowdy (1842-1920)
William C. Overstreet b June 10, 1837 in Bedford City, Virginia s/o benooney
overstreet (1796-1884)and Mary ann Preston.(1808-1885)
Julia Catherine Dowdy September 7, 1842, Bedford County, Virginia, March 12,
1920, Bedford County, Virginia d/o Lucinda Dowdy 1810-1997 Campbell County,
Virginia
. +William Henry NEWMAN b: February 20, 1864 in Updike, Bedford County,
Virginia m: December 05, 1886 in Bedford County, Virginia d: July 26, 1953 in
Unknown Burial: in Evington Methodist Church Cemetery, Bedford Co VA Father:
Callohill NEWMAN Mother: Julia Ann WILKES # chldn: 10
2 Lula May NEWMAN b: December 31, 1887 in Bedford County, Virginia d:
November 27, 1966 in Sweetwater, Lewis County, Tennessee
2 Theron C NEWMAN b: Abt. August 8, 1889 in Virginia d: 1971Evington,
CampbellCounty Virginia He married Mary E. West born February 19, 1890 died November
2, 1944
children: Floyd Irvine Newman 1914-2002
Burnley Wilford Newman 1915-2002
Elizabeth Newman 1918-1998
Heenan Clay Newman
2 Piercy C NEWMAN b: Abt. 1891 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
2 Ammie J NEWMAN b: Abt. 1892 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
2 Mary P NEWMAN b: Abt. 1895 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
2 Claudine R NEWMAN b: Abt. 1897 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
2 Colia R NEWMAN b: Abt. 1897 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
2 Elisha B NEWMAN b: Abt. 1903 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
2 William C NEWMAN b: Abt. 1905 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
2 Warren A NEWMAN b: Abt. 1907 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
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Robin
Why is the name "Clay" in quotation marks? Was her full name Eugenia
Charlotte Clay Overstreet?
Pat Dunford (Tucson, Arizona)
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From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of Roliver414(a)aol.com
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2007 11:32 AM
To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CLAY] Eugeinia Charlotte "Clay" Overstreet
Who is this????????????????????? Does anyone know if she is a descendant of
John Clay, emigrant to Jamestown? Robin
Descendants of Eugenia Charlotte Overstreet
1 Eugenia Charlotte "Clay" OVERSTREET b: February 28, 1869 in Bedford
County,
Virginia d: March 16, 1943 in Unknown Burial: in Evington Methodist Church
Cemetery, Bedford Co VA # chldn: 10 She was the daughter of William C.
overstreet (1837-) and Julia Catherine Dowdy (1842-1920)
William C. Overstreet b June 10, 1837 in Bedford City, Virginia s/o benooney
overstreet (1796-1884)and Mary ann Preston.(1808-1885)
Julia Catherine Dowdy September 7, 1842, Bedford County, Virginia, March 12,
1920, Bedford County, Virginia d/o Lucinda Dowdy 1810-1997 Campbell County,
Virginia
. +William Henry NEWMAN b: February 20, 1864 in Updike, Bedford County,
Virginia m: December 05, 1886 in Bedford County, Virginia d: July 26, 1953
in
Unknown Burial: in Evington Methodist Church Cemetery, Bedford Co VA Father:
Callohill NEWMAN Mother: Julia Ann WILKES # chldn: 10
2 Lula May NEWMAN b: December 31, 1887 in Bedford County, Virginia d:
November 27, 1966 in Sweetwater, Lewis County, Tennessee
2 Theron C NEWMAN b: Abt. August 8, 1889 in Virginia d: 1971Evington,
CampbellCounty Virginia He married Mary E. West born February 19, 1890 died
November
2, 1944
children: Floyd Irvine Newman 1914-2002
Burnley Wilford Newman 1915-2002
Elizabeth Newman 1918-1998
Heenan Clay Newman
2 Piercy C NEWMAN b: Abt. 1891 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
2 Ammie J NEWMAN b: Abt. 1892 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
2 Mary P NEWMAN b: Abt. 1895 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
2 Claudine R NEWMAN b: Abt. 1897 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
2 Colia R NEWMAN b: Abt. 1897 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
2 Elisha B NEWMAN b: Abt. 1903 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
2 William C NEWMAN b: Abt. 1905 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
2 Warren A NEWMAN b: Abt. 1907 in Virginia d: Unknown in Unknown
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There may be a VT Clay that ended up in CT. I've found the birth records
for some of Ephraim's children in MA, and maybe there's one in VT.
Ephraim's John Clay married in Heath, MA in 1815. What time reference
for Clays in CT?
On Thu, 27 Sep 2007 08:36:07 -0700 "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin(a)cox.net>
writes:
> Nancy
>
> Thank you for the link. I've copied the tree with the eddress for
> the tree
> owner.
>
> Very interesting. I just need to find someone who came through CT,
> one way
> or another.
>
> Anyone have a CT line?
>
> Pat
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com]
> On Behalf
> Of Nancy E Salzer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:26 PM
> To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Cc: clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLAY] Unsolved Mysteries of American History by Paul
> Aron
>
> This might be an interesting line for you to follow. I have a lot
> of
> proofs for this line. 5Ephraim's boys may have gone to New York
> along
> with sister Lydia when she married. Interesting that this
> Ephraim's
> children have a lot of family names from prior generations, note
> John
> being the last. Our line comes from 4James, iv. Lydia.
> Fascinating
> line. Some of the Clays that went to Putney, VT ended up in
> Michigan.
>
>
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=betz
&id
> =I3352
>
> At least for 4James' children I was able to find the birth records.
> I
> only copied the above here b/c it seems to be fairly accurate,
> however,
> most are not. The main error I did find in this is that iJonas
> (Jonas,
> Jr.) was born in 1690, not 1680.
>
>
> On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:46:35 -0700 "Kith-n-Kin"
> <Kith-n-Kin(a)cox.net>
> writes:
> > Nancy
> >
> > This is the family as I have gathered it (mostly from censuses)to
>
> > date:
> >
> > GEORGE CLAY was born circa 1816 in Massachusetts, died NY bef
> 1888.
> > He was
> > a dentist. His father was born in CT, d bef 1850, his mother
> Hannah
> > ___ was
> > b ca 1790 in MA d aft 1850 in NYC. He married Mary E. Martine,(b
>
> > ca 1825,
> > NY) daughter of ___ Martine (d bef 1840, probably) and Caroline
> ___
> > (b NY ca
> > 1800, d aft 1880; parents birthplaces unknown). Mary died between
> > 1888 and
> > 1900; according to a directory record for one Mary Clay, widow of
>
> > George,
> > Brooklyn, New York.
> >
> > The six known children of George Clay and Mary E. Martine all
> born
> > in New
> > York were as follows:
> > 1. David CLAY was born circa
> 1847.
> > 2. William W. CLAY was born circa
>
> > 1849. (an
> > architect)
> > 3. George E CLAY, b. Feb 1852; m.
>
> > Margaret O
> > HUNTER[?] ca 1882. A Civil Engineer. Their children:
> > i. Mary CLAY was born in
> Nov
> > 1884.
> > ii. George Hunter CLAY, b.
> Jun
> > 1887; m.
> > Amelia JONES, dau of Henry F and Ida A. [ ] Jones
> > iii. Edna CLAY was born in Jan
>
> > 1890
> > 4. Julia CLAY was born circa
> 1854.
> > 5. Edwina CLAY was born circa
> > 1856.
> > 6. Nelly CLAY was born circa
> 1862.
> >
> > So, you see, there is a one to two generation gap between your
> James
> > and
> > this George. This family is from my husband's cousin's up-line.
> So,
> > I
> > haven't done much with it for a couple of years, since we went to
>
> > visit one
> > of them (what an excuse -- oh, I have to run this line and take it
>
> > to . . .
> > )
> >
> > I am very interested in your family, and other "non-Virginia"
> Clays.
> > Not
> > just because of the above family, but because the mission of the
> > Clay Family
> > Society is to research and support all Clay lines. I feel that
> > sometimes if
> > you aren't somehow related to "Henry the Orator" you feel ignored,
>
> > and with
> > CFS, I'd like to make more connections.
> >
> > Please share more about your family with the list. Bet you have
> some
> > close
> > kin on here!
> >
> > Pat
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com]
>
> > On Behalf
> > Of Nancy E Salzer
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:36 AM
> > To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
> > Cc: clay(a)rootsweb.com
> > Subject: Re: [CLAY] Unsolved Mysteries of American History by Paul
>
> > Aron
> >
> > What are the names of the New England Clay's you are trying to
> > trace???
> > Down our Clay line from James Clay in the Ipswich & Rehoboth, MA
> > areas had a
> > good number of children. Our line, one of the daughters, ended up
>
> > going to
> > VT. However, some of the other children may have gone down into
> New
> > York.
> > The children were born in the mid-1700's, our kin was born in
> > 1751 in Rehoboth, MA. I believe all of the children were born
> > there.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
> >
> >
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Nancy
Thank you for the link. I've copied the tree with the eddress for the tree
owner.
Very interesting. I just need to find someone who came through CT, one way
or another.
Anyone have a CT line?
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of Nancy E Salzer
Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 11:26 PM
To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
Cc: clay(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Unsolved Mysteries of American History by Paul Aron
This might be an interesting line for you to follow. I have a lot of
proofs for this line. 5Ephraim's boys may have gone to New York along
with sister Lydia when she married. Interesting that this Ephraim's
children have a lot of family names from prior generations, note John
being the last. Our line comes from 4James, iv. Lydia. Fascinating
line. Some of the Clays that went to Putney, VT ended up in Michigan.
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=betz&id
=I3352
At least for 4James' children I was able to find the birth records. I
only copied the above here b/c it seems to be fairly accurate, however,
most are not. The main error I did find in this is that iJonas (Jonas,
Jr.) was born in 1690, not 1680.
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:46:35 -0700 "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin(a)cox.net>
writes:
> Nancy
>
> This is the family as I have gathered it (mostly from censuses)to
> date:
>
> GEORGE CLAY was born circa 1816 in Massachusetts, died NY bef 1888.
> He was
> a dentist. His father was born in CT, d bef 1850, his mother Hannah
> ___ was
> b ca 1790 in MA d aft 1850 in NYC. He married Mary E. Martine,(b
> ca 1825,
> NY) daughter of ___ Martine (d bef 1840, probably) and Caroline ___
> (b NY ca
> 1800, d aft 1880; parents birthplaces unknown). Mary died between
> 1888 and
> 1900; according to a directory record for one Mary Clay, widow of
> George,
> Brooklyn, New York.
>
> The six known children of George Clay and Mary E. Martine all born
> in New
> York were as follows:
> 1. David CLAY was born circa 1847.
> 2. William W. CLAY was born circa
> 1849. (an
> architect)
> 3. George E CLAY, b. Feb 1852; m.
> Margaret O
> HUNTER[?] ca 1882. A Civil Engineer. Their children:
> i. Mary CLAY was born in Nov
> 1884.
> ii. George Hunter CLAY, b. Jun
> 1887; m.
> Amelia JONES, dau of Henry F and Ida A. [ ] Jones
> iii. Edna CLAY was born in Jan
> 1890
> 4. Julia CLAY was born circa 1854.
> 5. Edwina CLAY was born circa
> 1856.
> 6. Nelly CLAY was born circa 1862.
>
> So, you see, there is a one to two generation gap between your James
> and
> this George. This family is from my husband's cousin's up-line. So,
> I
> haven't done much with it for a couple of years, since we went to
> visit one
> of them (what an excuse -- oh, I have to run this line and take it
> to . . .
> )
>
> I am very interested in your family, and other "non-Virginia" Clays.
> Not
> just because of the above family, but because the mission of the
> Clay Family
> Society is to research and support all Clay lines. I feel that
> sometimes if
> you aren't somehow related to "Henry the Orator" you feel ignored,
> and with
> CFS, I'd like to make more connections.
>
> Please share more about your family with the list. Bet you have some
> close
> kin on here!
>
> Pat
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com]
> On Behalf
> Of Nancy E Salzer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:36 AM
> To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Cc: clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLAY] Unsolved Mysteries of American History by Paul
> Aron
>
> What are the names of the New England Clay's you are trying to
> trace???
> Down our Clay line from James Clay in the Ipswich & Rehoboth, MA
> areas had a
> good number of children. Our line, one of the daughters, ended up
> going to
> VT. However, some of the other children may have gone down into New
> York.
> The children were born in the mid-1700's, our kin was born in
> 1751 in Rehoboth, MA. I believe all of the children were born
> there.
>
>
>
>
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Unfortunately this is how errors happen... I'm tired.... I posted the
below, but what I meant was 2i Jonas (Jonas III, son of Jonas, Jr. and
Mary Allen).
The main error I did find in this is that iJonas (Jonas, Jr.) was born
in 1690, not 1680.
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:46:35 -0700 "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin(a)cox.net>
writes:
> Nancy
>
> This is the family as I have gathered it (mostly from censuses)to
> date:
>
> GEORGE CLAY was born circa 1816 in Massachusetts, died NY bef 1888.
> He was
> a dentist. His father was born in CT, d bef 1850, his mother Hannah
> ___ was
> b ca 1790 in MA d aft 1850 in NYC. He married Mary E. Martine,(b
> ca 1825,
> NY) daughter of ___ Martine (d bef 1840, probably) and Caroline ___
> (b NY ca
> 1800, d aft 1880; parents birthplaces unknown). Mary died between
> 1888 and
> 1900; according to a directory record for one Mary Clay, widow of
> George,
> Brooklyn, New York.
>
> The six known children of George Clay and Mary E. Martine all born
> in New
> York were as follows:
> 1. David CLAY was born circa 1847.
> 2. William W. CLAY was born circa
> 1849. (an
> architect)
> 3. George E CLAY, b. Feb 1852; m.
> Margaret O
> HUNTER[?] ca 1882. A Civil Engineer. Their children:
> i. Mary CLAY was born in Nov
> 1884.
> ii. George Hunter CLAY, b. Jun
> 1887; m.
> Amelia JONES, dau of Henry F and Ida A. [ ] Jones
> iii. Edna CLAY was born in Jan
> 1890
> 4. Julia CLAY was born circa 1854.
> 5. Edwina CLAY was born circa
> 1856.
> 6. Nelly CLAY was born circa 1862.
>
> So, you see, there is a one to two generation gap between your James
> and
> this George. This family is from my husband's cousin's up-line. So,
> I
> haven't done much with it for a couple of years, since we went to
> visit one
> of them (what an excuse -- oh, I have to run this line and take it
> to . . .
> )
>
> I am very interested in your family, and other "non-Virginia" Clays.
> Not
> just because of the above family, but because the mission of the
> Clay Family
> Society is to research and support all Clay lines. I feel that
> sometimes if
> you aren't somehow related to "Henry the Orator" you feel ignored,
> and with
> CFS, I'd like to make more connections.
>
> Please share more about your family with the list. Bet you have some
> close
> kin on here!
>
> Pat
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com]
> On Behalf
> Of Nancy E Salzer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:36 AM
> To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Cc: clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLAY] Unsolved Mysteries of American History by Paul
> Aron
>
> What are the names of the New England Clay's you are trying to
> trace???
> Down our Clay line from James Clay in the Ipswich & Rehoboth, MA
> areas had a
> good number of children. Our line, one of the daughters, ended up
> going to
> VT. However, some of the other children may have gone down into New
> York.
> The children were born in the mid-1700's, our kin was born in
> 1751 in Rehoboth, MA. I believe all of the children were born
> there.
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CLAY-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>
>
This might be an interesting line for you to follow. I have a lot of
proofs for this line. 5Ephraim's boys may have gone to New York along
with sister Lydia when she married. Interesting that this Ephraim's
children have a lot of family names from prior generations, note John
being the last. Our line comes from 4James, iv. Lydia. Fascinating
line. Some of the Clays that went to Putney, VT ended up in Michigan.
http://worldconnect.genealogy.rootsweb.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=REG&db=betz
&id=I3352
At least for 4James' children I was able to find the birth records. I
only copied the above here b/c it seems to be fairly accurate, however,
most are not. The main error I did find in this is that iJonas (Jonas,
Jr.) was born in 1690, not 1680.
On Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:46:35 -0700 "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin(a)cox.net>
writes:
> Nancy
>
> This is the family as I have gathered it (mostly from censuses)to
> date:
>
> GEORGE CLAY was born circa 1816 in Massachusetts, died NY bef 1888.
> He was
> a dentist. His father was born in CT, d bef 1850, his mother Hannah
> ___ was
> b ca 1790 in MA d aft 1850 in NYC. He married Mary E. Martine,(b
> ca 1825,
> NY) daughter of ___ Martine (d bef 1840, probably) and Caroline ___
> (b NY ca
> 1800, d aft 1880; parents birthplaces unknown). Mary died between
> 1888 and
> 1900; according to a directory record for one Mary Clay, widow of
> George,
> Brooklyn, New York.
>
> The six known children of George Clay and Mary E. Martine all born
> in New
> York were as follows:
> 1. David CLAY was born circa 1847.
> 2. William W. CLAY was born circa
> 1849. (an
> architect)
> 3. George E CLAY, b. Feb 1852; m.
> Margaret O
> HUNTER[?] ca 1882. A Civil Engineer. Their children:
> i. Mary CLAY was born in Nov
> 1884.
> ii. George Hunter CLAY, b. Jun
> 1887; m.
> Amelia JONES, dau of Henry F and Ida A. [ ] Jones
> iii. Edna CLAY was born in Jan
> 1890
> 4. Julia CLAY was born circa 1854.
> 5. Edwina CLAY was born circa
> 1856.
> 6. Nelly CLAY was born circa 1862.
>
> So, you see, there is a one to two generation gap between your James
> and
> this George. This family is from my husband's cousin's up-line. So,
> I
> haven't done much with it for a couple of years, since we went to
> visit one
> of them (what an excuse -- oh, I have to run this line and take it
> to . . .
> )
>
> I am very interested in your family, and other "non-Virginia" Clays.
> Not
> just because of the above family, but because the mission of the
> Clay Family
> Society is to research and support all Clay lines. I feel that
> sometimes if
> you aren't somehow related to "Henry the Orator" you feel ignored,
> and with
> CFS, I'd like to make more connections.
>
> Please share more about your family with the list. Bet you have some
> close
> kin on here!
>
> Pat
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com]
> On Behalf
> Of Nancy E Salzer
> Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 7:36 AM
> To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Cc: clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLAY] Unsolved Mysteries of American History by Paul
> Aron
>
> What are the names of the New England Clay's you are trying to
> trace???
> Down our Clay line from James Clay in the Ipswich & Rehoboth, MA
> areas had a
> good number of children. Our line, one of the daughters, ended up
> going to
> VT. However, some of the other children may have gone down into New
> York.
> The children were born in the mid-1700's, our kin was born in
> 1751 in Rehoboth, MA. I believe all of the children were born
> there.
>
>
>
>
> -------------------------------
> To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> CLAY-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> quotes in the subject and the body of the message
>
>
What are the names of the New England Clay's you are trying to trace???
Down our Clay line from James Clay in the Ipswich & Rehoboth, MA areas
had a good number of children. Our line, one of the daughters, ended up
going to VT. However, some of the other children may have gone down into
New York. The children were born in the mid-1700's, our kin was born in
1751 in Rehoboth, MA. I believe all of the children were born there.
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 16:56:59 -0700 "Kith-n-Kin" <Kith-n-Kin(a)cox.net>
writes:
> Nancy
>
> I don't think anyone has more than theories on the origin of John
> Clay (the
> 1613 immigrant).
>
> However, on another side of my husband's family we have some New
> England
> Clays we're trying to trace. As I recall they were in Long Island,
> NY, as
> early as I can get on the census, about 1790, I suppose. Haven't had
> an
> opportunity to do on-the-ground research as yet. Are yours part of
> that
> group?
>
> Here's a little synopsis of where the Clays were living at various
> times in
> the American colonies/states:
> http://members.cox.net/cfs_gathering2008/news/news.htm
>
> Pat Dunford
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com]
> On Behalf
> Of Nancy E Salzer
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:26 PM
> To: redwingersgen(a)earthlink.net; clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Cc: clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLAY] Unsolved Mysteries of American History by Paul
> Aron
>
> Do you know if your John Clay came over with any brothers that might
> have
> moved and or settled up in the New England area???
>
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:43:06 -0400 "redwingersgen(a)earthlink.net"
> <redwingersgen(a)earthlink.net> writes:
> > Glad to see the CLAY family list is still working today; I haven't
>
> > seen any listings recently and was wondering about it.
> >
> > Something I saw yesterday at the library in a book noted in
> subject
> > above. In Chapter 3 - "What caused the "Starving Time" at
> > Jamestown, Virginia ". In 1609. I have been interested in
> > studying about Jamestown this year because of a couple of reasons:
>
> > their 400th anniversary celebration in Virginia, and our John Clay
>
> > coming over in 1613. The survivors of Jamestown almost abandoned
>
> > the town because the starving situation was so bad.
> >
> > Some theories mentioned in the book included:
> >
> > Too many gentlemen settlers and military men, not enough farmers to
>
> > actually do the work.
> > Laziness.
> > No leadership - John Smith had left. No discipline among the
> > group.
> > Various diseases. The island became a swamp surrounded by
> stagnant
> > water that made them sick.
> > Severe droughts in that period (might be similar to this year).
> > Poisoned by arsenic, murdered.
> >
> > One story I had read elsewhere was not included in the list. I
> > thought the Indians had the settlers surrounded until they were
> > unable to come out of the fort to hunt or fish, and thus about all
>
> > of them starved. They were being held hostage in their own homes.
>
> >
> >
> > Something to think about. Where would we all be today if everyone
>
> > had starved, or they abandoned Jamestown. Would this be similar
> to
> > the Lost Colony? Would John Clay have come to the new world?
> >
> > J. Hendrick in NC
> >
> > -------------------------------
> > To unsubscribe from the list, please send an email to
> > CLAY-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
>
> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
> >
> >
>
>
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Pat:
Enjoyed your little synopsis about where the Clays were living at various
times. Also, I see real progress in the Clay Family Society website. Good
job, folks.
Janis Hendrick in North Carolina [my Clay family was from MO and IL]
> [Original Message]
> From: Kith-n-Kin <Kith-n-Kin(a)cox.net>
> To: <clay(a)rootsweb.com>; <redwingersgen(a)earthlink.net>
> Date: 9/25/2007 8:00:13 PM
> Subject: RE: [CLAY] Unsolved Mysteries of American History by Paul Aron
>
> Nancy
>
> I don't think anyone has more than theories on the origin of John Clay
(the
> 1613 immigrant).
>
> However, on another side of my husband's family we have some New England
> Clays we're trying to trace. As I recall they were in Long Island, NY, as
> early as I can get on the census, about 1790, I suppose. Haven't had an
> opportunity to do on-the-ground research as yet. Are yours part of that
> group?
>
> Here's a little synopsis of where the Clays were living at various times
in
> the American colonies/states:
> http://members.cox.net/cfs_gathering2008/news/news.htm
>
> Pat Dunford
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On
Behalf
> Of Nancy E Salzer
> Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 12:26 PM
> To: redwingersgen(a)earthlink.net; clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Cc: clay(a)rootsweb.com
> Subject: Re: [CLAY] Unsolved Mysteries of American History by Paul Aron
>
> Do you know if your John Clay came over with any brothers that might have
> moved and or settled up in the New England area???
>
> On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:43:06 -0400 "redwingersgen(a)earthlink.net"
> <redwingersgen(a)earthlink.net> writes:
> > Glad to see the CLAY family list is still working today; I haven't
> > seen any listings recently and was wondering about it.
> >
> > Something I saw yesterday at the library in a book noted in subject
> > above. In Chapter 3 - "What caused the "Starving Time" at
> > Jamestown, Virginia ". In 1609. I have been interested in
> > studying about Jamestown this year because of a couple of reasons:
> > their 400th anniversary celebration in Virginia, and our John Clay
> > coming over in 1613. The survivors of Jamestown almost abandoned
> > the town because the starving situation was so bad.
> >
> > Some theories mentioned in the book included:
> >
> > Too many gentlemen settlers and military men, not enough farmers to
> > actually do the work.
> > Laziness.
> > No leadership - John Smith had left. No discipline among the
> > group.
> > Various diseases. The island became a swamp surrounded by stagnant
> > water that made them sick.
> > Severe droughts in that period (might be similar to this year).
> > Poisoned by arsenic, murdered.
> >
> > One story I had read elsewhere was not included in the list. I
> > thought the Indians had the settlers surrounded until they were
> > unable to come out of the fort to hunt or fish, and thus about all
> > of them starved. They were being held hostage in their own homes.
> >
> >
> > Something to think about. Where would we all be today if everyone
> > had starved, or they abandoned Jamestown. Would this be similar to
> > the Lost Colony? Would John Clay have come to the new world?
> >
> > J. Hendrick in NC
> >
> > -------------------------------
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> > CLAY-request(a)rootsweb.com with the word 'unsubscribe' without the
> > quotes in the subject and the body of the message
> >
> >
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>
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Hi Pat,
Not documented. However several researchers that I have spoken with believe that John Clay (Mecklenberg-Rowan Counties) was the father of Dennis.
John may be the son of Charles and Mary Clay of Amelia Co. Charles was a son of Thomas who was a son of Charles Clay and Hannah Wilson. Researcher Jack Clay was working extensively on this line ... Jack, are you on the list? If so, have you found anything new?
----- Original Message -----
From: Kith-n-Kin<mailto:Kith-n-Kin@cox.net>
To: clay(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:clay@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 7:53 PM
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Alabama Clays
Barb
You are talking of James W who married Celina/Selina? Wow! Well, now we are
a little bit farther with that.
Thank you very much! Do you have anything on the origins of Dennis's
parents?
Pat
-----Original Message-----
From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com> [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of Barb Pasch
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 3:35 PM
To: clay(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:clay@rootsweb.com>
Subject: [CLAY] Alabama Clays
I believe the Marshall County Clays, including James Washington Clay,
descend from Rebecca Jane Clay and an unknown father. Rebecca is a daughter
of Dennis and Ruth Clay. Rebecca's siblings include John, Isham, Russell,
and Charlotte.
Dennis and two siblings, James and Isham can be found in the 1800 Cabarrus
County, NC census. Dennis and family went to Pope County, IL, then to
Rutherford Co, TN where Dennis was killed in 1818. Ruth and family went on
to Alabama. My ancestors are from Dennis' son John and wife Charlotte, who
settled in Jackson County, AL. Son James and Nancy Lamb are my
gg-grandparents.
Barbara Clay Pasch
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I believe the Marshall County Clays, including James Washington Clay, descend from Rebecca Jane Clay and an unknown father. Rebecca is a daughter of Dennis and Ruth Clay. Rebecca's siblings include John, Isham, Russell, and Charlotte.
Dennis and two siblings, James and Isham can be found in the 1800 Cabarrus County, NC census. Dennis and family went to Pope County, IL, then to Rutherford Co, TN where Dennis was killed in 1818. Ruth and family went on to Alabama. My ancestors are from Dennis' son John and wife Charlotte, who settled in Jackson County, AL. Son James and Nancy Lamb are my gg-grandparents.
Barbara Clay Pasch
Hi Keith!
Well, I guess we do now, if your ancestors are from there<G>! But, if you
mean do we have them in a database, well, I don't.
Are you in the UK? With the stripping of individual's addresses on the list,
I can't tell where you are from.
Tell us (on the list) what your line is (backwards) and let's see who pops
up here.
Just to say, the Clay Family Society (of which I'm a member) and the Clay
Family Gathering is for all folks with some Clay ancestors. We'd like
someday to put them altogether, and your email is a good start.
Regards,
Pat Dunford (Tucson, Arizona)
-----Original Message-----
From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of Keith
Sent: Tuesday, September 25, 2007 11:26 AM
To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Re: [CLAY] Alabama Clays
Do you have any Clay's that originate out of Monks Risborough,
Buckinghamshire,
Regards
Keith Clay
-----Original Message-----
From: clay-bounces(a)rootsweb.com [mailto:clay-bounces@rootsweb.com] On Behalf
Of Kith-n-Kin
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 5:34 PM
To: clay(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: [CLAY] Alabama Clays
Got to looking at the Madison County 1930 census today, looking for those
elusive kin to invite to the Clay Family Gathering next spring (June 20-22).
Found one, a James L., school teacher. In looking back, I found his family
to 1850 in De Kalb County, and Marshall County. Another James, and his
family go to 1850 Benton and then Calhoun.
What do you know about James the school teacher and James the postal clerk?
Anyone have them in their tree?
James E., the Postal Clerk's ggrandfather was E. B. Clay from South
Carolina.
Unfortunately, James L's ggrandfather, James Clay of Alabama, died before
the 1880 census, so we don't know where they were before Alabama.
Here's the basic census information.
James L Clay, the school teacher:
1850 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8054&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8054&path=Alabama> > De Kalb
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8054&path=Alabama.De+Kalb> > Division 25
James Clay 22 F 100 AL
Salina 20 AL
Amos 7/12 AL
1860 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7667&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7667&path=Alabama> > Marshall
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7667&path=Alabama.Marshall> > Tract 6 Range 3 East
James W Clay 32 farmer AL
Celina Clay 30 AL
Marion A Clay 10 AL
Clement C Clay 3 AL
George W Clay 1 AL
James B EMbry 22 Farm labor AL
1870 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=Alabama> > Marshall
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=Alabama.Marshall> > Subdivision 44
Township 6 Range 3
16/16
Clay James 43 farmer 1200/700 AL
Saliney 39 Keeping house AL
Amos 19 attending school AL
William 17 farm labor AL
Clemen C 12 at home AL
John 10 at home AL
Elizabeth 8 AL
Susanah 6 AL
James 3 AL
1880 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=Alabama> > Marshall
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=Alabama.Marshall> > Bucksnort
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=Alabama.Marshall.Bucksnort> > District
249
64/64
Clem Clay 23 farmer AL AL AL
Francis 19 wife keeping house AL AL AL
Clay Salina 51 mother AL TN GA
James 15 brother farm laborer AL AL AL
65/75
Clay William 38 farmer AL AL AL
Rebecah 37 keeping house AL AL AL
James 5 AL AL AL
John 3 AL AL AL
Edward 1 AL AL AL
66/66
Clay M 30 farmer AL AL AL
Elizabeth 28 keeping house AL AL AL
Fannie 7 AL AL AL
Mag 1 AL AL AL
1900 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=Alabama> > Marshall
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=Alabama.Marshall> > Bucksnort
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=Alabama.Marshall.Bucksnort> > District 88
Clay James head Nov 1865 35 m 9 AL AL AL farmer
Sarah E wife Mar 1874 26 m 9 5/5 AL AL AL
Robert M son Jun 1892 7 AL AL AL
James L son Aug 1894 5 AL AL AL
Mary E daughter Feb 1896 4 AL AL AL
Minnie B Dec 1897 AL AL AL
Marion W son Mar 1899 1 AL AL AL
Selina mother Mar 1830 wid 10/4 AL TN GA
1910 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=Alabama> > Marshall
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=Alabama.Marshall> > Bucksnort
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=Alabama.Marshall.Bucksnort> > District
102
103/105
Clay Clem C head 52 m2 24 AL AL AL farmer home farm
Nancy J wife 46 24 7/6 AL AL AL
Sherman son21 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Washington son 18 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Arthur R son 17 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Homer son 15 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Nora B dau 13 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Dewey son 11 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
105/107
Clay James W head 45 m1 19 AL AL AL farmer home farm
Sarah wife 36 m 19 6/5 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Robert son 17 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Leslie son 15 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm (James Leslie?)
Ellen daughter 14 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Minnie daughter 12 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Oran son 8 AL AL AL
106/108
Clay/Click Henry M head 30 4 AL AL AL farmer home farm
Nannie L wife 25 4 2/2 AL AL AL
Mattie C 2 AL AL AL
Margaret Z dau 7/12 AL ALAL
1920 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama> > Marshall
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama.Marshall> > Bucksnort
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama.Marshall.Bucksnort> > District
126
118/118
Clay James W 55 AL AL AL farmer
Elizabeth wife AL AL AL
Ella daughter 23 AL AL AL
Oren son AL AL AL farmer
119/119
Clay Clem head 63 AL AL AL farmer
Nanie wife 54 AL AL AL
Harrie son 29 AL AL AL farmer
Nora daughter 24 AL AL AL
Arthur son 29 AL AL AL
Clara daughter 21 AL AL AL
Clima f 5 AL AL AL
Edward son 4 AL AL AL
Clifton son 3 AL AL AL
Linerd son 8/12 AL AL AL
1920 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama> > Jackson
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama.Jackson> > Woodville
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama.Jackson.Woodville> > District 37
Clay James L head m w 25 AL AL AL teacher Litrary School
Dicie M wife f w 24 AL AL GA Teacher Literary School
1930 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama> > Marshall
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama.Marshall> > Bucksnort
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama.Marshall.Bucksnort> > District 22
113/120
Clay James W head 64 m 25 AL AL AL farmer
Sarah E 55 17 AL AL AL
178/182
Clay Robert A 37 m 27 AL AL AL farmer
Clara F wife 31 m 20 AL AL AL
Wannice (Maurice?) B son 8 AL AL AL
Dortha M 2 10/12 AL AL AL
Margret W dau 1 6/12 AL AL AL
187/199
Clay Homer C 36 m 26 AL AL AL farmer
Eva J 26 m 16 AL AL AL
Rudolph H 9 AL AL AL
Bertha A daughter 7 v
Thelma M dau 4 3/12 AL AL AL
Burnett son 2 2/12 AL AL AL
David S son 4/12 AL AL AL
1930 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama> > Madison
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama.Madison> > Madison
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama.Madison.Madison> > District 21
Clay, James L head 35 m/25 AK AK AK Teacher public school
Dicie M wife f w 35 m 25 AL AL AL
Sarah O daughter w f 6 AL AL AL
Mary L daughter f w 1 8/12 AL AL AL
_________________________
James E Clay, the postal clerk:
U.S. Census
<http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/census/usfedcen/default.aspx> >
1850 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8054&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8054&path=Alabama> > Benton
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8054&path=Alabama.Benton> > Subdivision 30
E B Clay 32 m farmer 200 So Carolina
Susanna 34 f Tennessee
William H 6 m Alabama
John W 4 m Alabama
Nancy A 2 f Alabama
Joel 1 m Alabama
1860 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7667&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7667&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7667&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Ranges 8 and 9
E B Clay 43 m farmer 500/300 SC Cannot read/write
Susanna 34 f Tenn Cannot read/write
Wm H 16 m farmhand Ala
John W 14 m Ala
Nancy A 12 f Ala Attended School
Joel 11 m Ala Attended School
Margret J 8 f Ala Attended School
James 6 m Ala
J D 4 m Ala
Mary S 1 f b Ala
1870 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Jacksonville
Clay E B 53 m w farmer 500/450 SC
Susan 44 f w wife Tennessee
Nancy23 f w no occupation Ala
Jane 20 f w no occupation Ala
James 15 m w no occupation Ala
Jordan 12 m w no occupation
Mary 10 f w no occupation
1870 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Jacksonville
Clay Henry 21 m w farm laborer Alabama
Mary 23 f w wife Alabana
Carrie 2 f w Alabama
1880 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Rabbit
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=Alabama.Calhoun.Rabbit> > District 10
28/28
Clay W H w m 37 farmer AL SC TN
May E w f 35 wife housekeeper AL AL GA
Cary w f 11 daughter works in house AL AL GA
Thomas w m 9 son AL AL GA
W E w m 7 son AL AL GA
F L 3 son AL AL A
Elizabeth w f 1 daughter AL AL GA
Susan w f 50 mother works in house TN TN TN
29/29
Clay J W w m 36 farmer AL SC TN
Martha J 2 f 35 wife keeping SC SC SC
Susan A w f 12 dau works on farm AL AL SC
Mary E 8 daughter AL AL SC
Steven E w m 5 son AL AL SC
Fany L w f 3 daughter AL AL SC
30/30
Clay S M w m 54 farmer SC SC SC
Caroline w f 54 wife keeps house SC England SC
1900 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Weavers
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=Alabama.Calhoun.Weavers> > District 27
83/86
Clay, J. Thomas head w m Sep 1879 29 m 6 AL AL GA farmer
Minta V wife w f Mar 1873 27 m 6 1/1 AL AL AL
James E son w m Oct 1895 4 AL AL AL
1910 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Weaver
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=Alabama.Calhoun.Weaver> > District 5
Clay Thos. J head 39 m1 15 AL AL GA Farmer Gen Farm
Minta wife 43 m1 15 3/3 AL AL AL
James son 14 AL AL AL
Josie Daughter 5 AL AL AL
Ethel Dau 4 AL AL AL
1920 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Weavers
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama.Calhoun.Weavers> > District 4
Clay James T 48 AL AL GA Farmer General Farm
Minta V wife 45 AL AL AL
James E son 24 AL AL AL Druck Driver SA[ ] Truck
Ethel E dau 14 AL AL AL none
1930 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Anniston
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama.Calhoun.Anniston> > District 23
Clay, James E 35 m@25 AL AL AL Postal Clerk/Post Office
Millie L wife 30 m@21 AL AL AL
Vivian M. dau 7 AL AL AL
Let's hear from some of the researchers out there!
Regards,
Pat Dunford, Tucson, Arizona
Meeting Chair, Clay Family Gathering 2008
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Do you know if your John Clay came over with any brothers that might have
moved and or settled up in the New England area???
On Tue, 25 Sep 2007 14:43:06 -0400 "redwingersgen(a)earthlink.net"
<redwingersgen(a)earthlink.net> writes:
> Glad to see the CLAY family list is still working today; I haven't
> seen any listings recently and was wondering about it.
>
> Something I saw yesterday at the library in a book noted in subject
> above. In Chapter 3 - "What caused the "Starving Time" at
> Jamestown, Virginia ". In 1609. I have been interested in
> studying about Jamestown this year because of a couple of reasons:
> their 400th anniversary celebration in Virginia, and our John Clay
> coming over in 1613. The survivors of Jamestown almost abandoned
> the town because the starving situation was so bad.
>
> Some theories mentioned in the book included:
>
> Too many gentlemen settlers and military men, not enough farmers to
> actually do the work.
> Laziness.
> No leadership - John Smith had left. No discipline among the
> group.
> Various diseases. The island became a swamp surrounded by stagnant
> water that made them sick.
> Severe droughts in that period (might be similar to this year).
> Poisoned by arsenic, murdered.
>
> One story I had read elsewhere was not included in the list. I
> thought the Indians had the settlers surrounded until they were
> unable to come out of the fort to hunt or fish, and thus about all
> of them starved. They were being held hostage in their own homes.
>
>
> Something to think about. Where would we all be today if everyone
> had starved, or they abandoned Jamestown. Would this be similar to
> the Lost Colony? Would John Clay have come to the new world?
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> J. Hendrick in NC
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Glad to see the CLAY family list is still working today; I haven't seen any listings recently and was wondering about it.
Something I saw yesterday at the library in a book noted in subject above. In Chapter 3 - "What caused the "Starving Time" at Jamestown, Virginia ". In 1609. I have been interested in studying about Jamestown this year because of a couple of reasons: their 400th anniversary celebration in Virginia, and our John Clay coming over in 1613. The survivors of Jamestown almost abandoned the town because the starving situation was so bad.
Some theories mentioned in the book included:
Too many gentlemen settlers and military men, not enough farmers to actually do the work.
Laziness.
No leadership - John Smith had left. No discipline among the group.
Various diseases. The island became a swamp surrounded by stagnant water that made them sick.
Severe droughts in that period (might be similar to this year).
Poisoned by arsenic, murdered.
One story I had read elsewhere was not included in the list. I thought the Indians had the settlers surrounded until they were unable to come out of the fort to hunt or fish, and thus about all of them starved. They were being held hostage in their own homes.
Something to think about. Where would we all be today if everyone had starved, or they abandoned Jamestown. Would this be similar to the Lost Colony? Would John Clay have come to the new world?
J. Hendrick in NC
Got to looking at the Madison County 1930 census today, looking for those
elusive kin to invite to the Clay Family Gathering next spring (June 20-22).
Found one, a James L., school teacher. In looking back, I found his family
to 1850 in De Kalb County, and Marshall County. Another James, and his
family go to 1850 Benton and then Calhoun.
What do you know about James the school teacher and James the postal clerk?
Anyone have them in their tree?
James E., the Postal Clerk's ggrandfather was E. B. Clay from South
Carolina.
Unfortunately, James L's ggrandfather, James Clay of Alabama, died before
the 1880 census, so we don't know where they were before Alabama.
Here's the basic census information.
James L Clay, the school teacher:
1850 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8054&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8054&path=Alabama> > De Kalb
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8054&path=Alabama.De+Kalb> > Division 25
James Clay 22 F 100 AL
Salina 20 AL
Amos 7/12 AL
1860 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7667&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7667&path=Alabama> > Marshall
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7667&path=Alabama.Marshall> > Tract 6 Range 3 East
James W Clay 32 farmer AL
Celina Clay 30 AL
Marion A Clay 10 AL
Clement C Clay 3 AL
George W Clay 1 AL
James B EMbry 22 Farm labor AL
1870 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=Alabama> > Marshall
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=Alabama.Marshall> > Subdivision 44
Township 6 Range 3
16/16
Clay James 43 farmer 1200/700 AL
Saliney 39 Keeping house AL
Amos 19 attending school AL
William 17 farm labor AL
Clemen C 12 at home AL
John 10 at home AL
Elizabeth 8 AL
Susanah 6 AL
James 3 AL
1880 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=Alabama> > Marshall
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=Alabama.Marshall> > Bucksnort
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=Alabama.Marshall.Bucksnort> > District
249
64/64
Clem Clay 23 farmer AL AL AL
Francis 19 wife keeping house AL AL AL
Clay Salina 51 mother AL TN GA
James 15 brother farm laborer AL AL AL
65/75
Clay William 38 farmer AL AL AL
Rebecah 37 keeping house AL AL AL
James 5 AL AL AL
John 3 AL AL AL
Edward 1 AL AL AL
66/66
Clay M 30 farmer AL AL AL
Elizabeth 28 keeping house AL AL AL
Fannie 7 AL AL AL
Mag 1 AL AL AL
1900 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=Alabama> > Marshall
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=Alabama.Marshall> > Bucksnort
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=Alabama.Marshall.Bucksnort> > District 88
Clay James head Nov 1865 35 m 9 AL AL AL farmer
Sarah E wife Mar 1874 26 m 9 5/5 AL AL AL
Robert M son Jun 1892 7 AL AL AL
James L son Aug 1894 5 AL AL AL
Mary E daughter Feb 1896 4 AL AL AL
Minnie B Dec 1897 AL AL AL
Marion W son Mar 1899 1 AL AL AL
Selina mother Mar 1830 wid 10/4 AL TN GA
1910 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=Alabama> > Marshall
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=Alabama.Marshall> > Bucksnort
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=Alabama.Marshall.Bucksnort> > District
102
103/105
Clay Clem C head 52 m2 24 AL AL AL farmer home farm
Nancy J wife 46 24 7/6 AL AL AL
Sherman son21 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Washington son 18 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Arthur R son 17 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Homer son 15 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Nora B dau 13 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Dewey son 11 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
105/107
Clay James W head 45 m1 19 AL AL AL farmer home farm
Sarah wife 36 m 19 6/5 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Robert son 17 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Leslie son 15 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm (James Leslie?)
Ellen daughter 14 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Minnie daughter 12 AL AL AL farm laborer home farm
Oran son 8 AL AL AL
106/108
Clay/Click Henry M head 30 4 AL AL AL farmer home farm
Nannie L wife 25 4 2/2 AL AL AL
Mattie C 2 AL AL AL
Margaret Z dau 7/12 AL ALAL
1920 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama> > Marshall
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama.Marshall> > Bucksnort
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama.Marshall.Bucksnort> > District
126
118/118
Clay James W 55 AL AL AL farmer
Elizabeth wife AL AL AL
Ella daughter 23 AL AL AL
Oren son AL AL AL farmer
119/119
Clay Clem head 63 AL AL AL farmer
Nanie wife 54 AL AL AL
Harrie son 29 AL AL AL farmer
Nora daughter 24 AL AL AL
Arthur son 29 AL AL AL
Clara daughter 21 AL AL AL
Clima f 5 AL AL AL
Edward son 4 AL AL AL
Clifton son 3 AL AL AL
Linerd son 8/12 AL AL AL
1920 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama> > Jackson
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama.Jackson> > Woodville
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama.Jackson.Woodville> > District 37
Clay James L head m w 25 AL AL AL teacher Litrary School
Dicie M wife f w 24 AL AL GA Teacher Literary School
1930 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama> > Marshall
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama.Marshall> > Bucksnort
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama.Marshall.Bucksnort> > District 22
113/120
Clay James W head 64 m 25 AL AL AL farmer
Sarah E 55 17 AL AL AL
178/182
Clay Robert A 37 m 27 AL AL AL farmer
Clara F wife 31 m 20 AL AL AL
Wannice (Maurice?) B son 8 AL AL AL
Dortha M 2 10/12 AL AL AL
Margret W dau 1 6/12 AL AL AL
187/199
Clay Homer C 36 m 26 AL AL AL farmer
Eva J 26 m 16 AL AL AL
Rudolph H 9 AL AL AL
Bertha A daughter 7 v
Thelma M dau 4 3/12 AL AL AL
Burnett son 2 2/12 AL AL AL
David S son 4/12 AL AL AL
1930 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama> > Madison
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama.Madison> > Madison
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama.Madison.Madison> > District 21
Clay, James L head 35 m/25 AK AK AK Teacher public school
Dicie M wife f w 35 m 25 AL AL AL
Sarah O daughter w f 6 AL AL AL
Mary L daughter f w 1 8/12 AL AL AL
_________________________
James E Clay, the postal clerk:
U.S. Census
<http://www.ancestry.com/search/rectype/census/usfedcen/default.aspx> >
1850 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8054&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8054&path=Alabama> > Benton
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=8054&path=Alabama.Benton> > Subdivision 30
E B Clay 32 m farmer 200 So Carolina
Susanna 34 f Tennessee
William H 6 m Alabama
John W 4 m Alabama
Nancy A 2 f Alabama
Joel 1 m Alabama
1860 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7667&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7667&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7667&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Ranges 8 and 9
E B Clay 43 m farmer 500/300 SC Cannot read/write
Susanna 34 f Tenn Cannot read/write
Wm H 16 m farmhand Ala
John W 14 m Ala
Nancy A 12 f Ala Attended School
Joel 11 m Ala Attended School
Margret J 8 f Ala Attended School
James 6 m Ala
J D 4 m Ala
Mary S 1 f b Ala
1870 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Jacksonville
Clay E B 53 m w farmer 500/450 SC
Susan 44 f w wife Tennessee
Nancy23 f w no occupation Ala
Jane 20 f w no occupation Ala
James 15 m w no occupation Ala
Jordan 12 m w no occupation
Mary 10 f w no occupation
1870 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7163&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Jacksonville
Clay Henry 21 m w farm laborer Alabama
Mary 23 f w wife Alabana
Carrie 2 f w Alabama
1880 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Rabbit
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6742&path=Alabama.Calhoun.Rabbit> > District 10
28/28
Clay W H w m 37 farmer AL SC TN
May E w f 35 wife housekeeper AL AL GA
Cary w f 11 daughter works in house AL AL GA
Thomas w m 9 son AL AL GA
W E w m 7 son AL AL GA
F L 3 son AL AL A
Elizabeth w f 1 daughter AL AL GA
Susan w f 50 mother works in house TN TN TN
29/29
Clay J W w m 36 farmer AL SC TN
Martha J 2 f 35 wife keeping SC SC SC
Susan A w f 12 dau works on farm AL AL SC
Mary E 8 daughter AL AL SC
Steven E w m 5 son AL AL SC
Fany L w f 3 daughter AL AL SC
30/30
Clay S M w m 54 farmer SC SC SC
Caroline w f 54 wife keeps house SC England SC
1900 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Weavers
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7602&path=Alabama.Calhoun.Weavers> > District 27
83/86
Clay, J. Thomas head w m Sep 1879 29 m 6 AL AL GA farmer
Minta V wife w f Mar 1873 27 m 6 1/1 AL AL AL
James E son w m Oct 1895 4 AL AL AL
1910 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Weaver
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=7884&path=Alabama.Calhoun.Weaver> > District 5
Clay Thos. J head 39 m1 15 AL AL GA Farmer Gen Farm
Minta wife 43 m1 15 3/3 AL AL AL
James son 14 AL AL AL
Josie Daughter 5 AL AL AL
Ethel Dau 4 AL AL AL
1920 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Weavers
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6061&path=Alabama.Calhoun.Weavers> > District 4
Clay James T 48 AL AL GA Farmer General Farm
Minta V wife 45 AL AL AL
James E son 24 AL AL AL Druck Driver SA[ ] Truck
Ethel E dau 14 AL AL AL none
1930 United States Federal Census </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=> >
Alabama </Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama> > Calhoun
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama.Calhoun> > Anniston
</Browse/list.aspx?dbid=6224&path=Alabama.Calhoun.Anniston> > District 23
Clay, James E 35 m@25 AL AL AL Postal Clerk/Post Office
Millie L wife 30 m@21 AL AL AL
Vivian M. dau 7 AL AL AL
Let's hear from some of the researchers out there!
Regards,
Pat Dunford, Tucson, Arizona
Meeting Chair, Clay Family Gathering 2008