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Hi,
Is anyone familiar with this family from the 1900 Carter Co. census, Olive Hill?
#432/#451 CLAY, John, age 27, widowed, b. Dec 1872 in MO, father born in AL, mother born in KY, farmer.
Harry, son, Oct 1892, 7 yrs., KY MO KY
Charles, son, July 1895, 5 yrs. KY MO KY
Cecil, son, Mar 1896, 4 yrs. KY MO KY
Fred, son, June 1897, 3 yrs. KY MO KY
Russel, son, Apr 1899, 1 yr/ KY MO KY
Next door: PENCE, Sarah, Dec 1870, age 29, KY MO KY
John, son, Feb 1896, 4 yrs/. KY KY MO
Please e-mail me with any info to bap4trees(a)prodigy.net .
Thanks, Barb
My sincere thanks to the listers who responded to my recent posting
regarding my search for the descendants of the two Choctaw children,
James and Chance. And special thanks to Ned and Bob who provided me
with enough significant leads to keep me busy for a very long time! The
lawsuits for freedom I am seeking, as I explained, were initiated ca.
1770 -1820 and are of particular value because each states the
relationship of the plaintiffs/slaves to Chance, b. 1706. Fortunately
(for research purposes), it appears the descendants stayed within the
Clay and related families. BTW, this list is the most informative
surname list I've come across!
Terry T.
Gynger:
Super letter! Now I must try to find the original..I suspect it is in
Charlottesville...at least that is a place to start. Many thanks!
Gregg Clemmer
Below is the transcript of the Green Clay- Thomas Jefferson letter, I hope
that it will help someone with their research. gynger cook
Madison County, Ky, May 4, 1823 ( to Thomas Jefferson )
Sir, I hardly expect you to recollect me, I am the brother of Parson Charles
Clay once of Albemarle Co. I went out with a troop of light horse to the
Northward in company with your brother Randolph in 1778 at the opening of the
land office under the Comm of Virg, the first treaty we have any knowledge of
is the treaty of Hopewell of the 30th of Jan. 1780.
We think a treaty might have been made with the Cherokees, after the
Declaration of Independence, which might not have been published. If such
was the fact, we know of no person more likely to possess a knowledge of it ,
than yourself. The lands below the Tennessee River, now the subject of
controversy between Kentucky and --?-- maybe effected by such a treaty so far
as respected individuals only. The court law of Va excepts from locations by
treasury warrants the country and limits of the Cherokee Ind., ? any
information in your power which you may be pleased to give us on this
subject will confer a lasting obligation on many persons in this state and
Virginia deeply interested in this question.
May God five you many days yet, in health and much happiness, Green Clay
Thomas Jefferson to Green Clay
Monticello, May 28, 1823
Sir, your favor of the 4th just now received and I am sorry it is not in my
power to give you any information on the subject of your inquiries, such a
length of time has elapsed, so much is my memory impaired by age, and so much
other matter has since past through it dislodging what had preceded, that not
a trace remains of any treaty with the Cherokees concerning the lands your
mention. If such a one was concluded by the US it would be found with their
laws, if by the state of Virginia it may have been among the records
destroyed by the British, in which case it could only be found among the
Cherokees who may have preserved it. With my regrets that I cannot aid you
with any recollections, be pleased to accept assurances of my high respect
and esteem. Thomas Jefferson to Green Clay esq.
I am not sure where the original is, I am pretty sure there is a copy of the
letter from Green, at Whitehall, but not sure if there is a copy of the reply
from Jefferson or not.
From what I have heard, the relationship between Rev. Charles G.Clay and his
friend Thomas Jefferson was thought to be through Chief Justice John
Marshall, but the John Marshall distantly related to Jefferson and the John
Marshall married to Rebecca Clay, daughter of Henry and Lucy Green Clay, a
cousin to Rev. Charles Green Clay were 2 different men. Gynger
Cynthia:
Thank you for your reply to my posting & for all the wonderful information.
I noticed the name of Cassius M. Clay in your chart. I'm guessing that this
is Cassius Marcellus Clay. This person, though not in my direct ancestry, has
intrigued me. Can someone tell me more about the man for whom boxer Cassius
Clay/Muhammed Ali was named.
Thanks again. I look forward to hearing from you.
Sincerely,
Mike Peters
npeters102(a)aol.com
In a message dated 7/19/01 12:19:46 AM Eastern Daylight Time, Yorkst(a)aol.com
writes:
> Here's the gist of some research on this family. From eldest of Charles and
> Martha (Green) Clay....
>
Hi, good to hear from you.
Thanks for all the help, I have put all these children born in Virginia, hope
that is right, now does anyone have other dates or locations?
Descendants of Charles Clay
Generation No. 1
1. Charles5 Clay (Henry4, Charles3, John2, John1 Claye) was born 31
January 1716/17, and died 1789 in Powhatan Co., VA. He married Martha Green
11 November 1741. She was born 25 November 1719, and died 06 September 1793.
Children of Charles Clay and Martha Green are:
2 i. Mary6 Clay, born 22 September 1742 in Virginia. She married
Stephen Lockett.
3 ii. Rev. Eleazer Clay, born 04 August 1744 in Virginia; died 02 May
1836 in Chesterfield Co., VA.
4 iii. Rev. Charles Clay, born 24 December 1745 in Virginia; died
1820 in Bedford Co., VA.
5 iv. Henry Clay, born 05 March 1747/48 in Virginia; died 20 December
1776 in Trenton, NJ.
6 v. Thomas Clay, born 31 July 1750 in Virginia.
7 vi. Elizabeth Clay, born 21 April 1752 in Virginia.
8 vii. Lucy Clay, born 21 April 1752 in Virginia.
9 viii. Matthew Clay, born 25 March 1754 in Virginia; died 1815.
10 ix. Greene Clay, born 14 August 1757 in Virginia; died 1828.
11 x. Priscilla Clay, born 30 April 1759 in Virginia.
12 xi. Martha Clay, born 31 July 1761 in Virginia; died 1844.
Thanks for writing.
Sandy in Florida
Maybe I'll catch up with my mail when I retire, in 2010!
Hi All,
The following was found in the "SUPPLEMENT TO THE CURD FAMILY IN AMERICA", page 172 <http://www.familytreemaker.com/_glc_/5203/5203_172.html>
Edward2 Watkins removed from Henrico to Cumberland Co. where he became a large land owner. Will dated June 21, 1765, proved March 25, 1771, names seven children...
Children
Listed in order named in will:
i. John3 [Watkins]
ii. Elizabeth3 [Watkins], d. before 1765; m. John Clay; had sons Sir John Clay(*) and Edward Clay.
iii. A dau3, m. Francis Moseley.
iv. Mary3 [Watkins], m. an Anderson, ossibly Jordan Anderson.
v. Judith3 [Watkins[, m. (1) a Bass; m. (2) John Clay, whose first wife was Elizabeth Watkins above.
vi. Edward3 [Watkins]
vii. Thomas3 [Watkins], removed to Henrico Co.
(*)Sir John Clay also called Rev. John Clay, m. Elizabeth Hudson; they were the parents of Henry Clay, the noted Statesman.
Charles
In a message dated 7/18/01 6:25:35 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
SandraG627(a)aol.com writes:
<<
1 Charles CLAY b: 31 January 1716/17 d: 1789 in Powhatan Co.,
VA
.. +Martha GREEN b: 25 November 1719 m: 11 November 1741 d: 06
September 1793
.... 2 Charles CLAY b: Bet. 1741 - 1771
Date source: SWG EST.
.... 2 Matthew CLAY b: Bet. 1741 - 1771
Date source: SWG EST.
.... 2 Greene CLAY b: Bet. 1741 - 1771 Date
source: SWG EST.
.... 2 Eleazer CLAY b: 1744 in Virginia d: 02 May 1836 in
Chesterfield Co., VA
>>
Hi Sandy:
Here's the gist of some research on this family. From eldest of Charles and
Martha (Green) Clay....
1. Mary Clay, born 22 September 1742, married Stephen Lockett.
2. Rev. Eleazar Clay, (from whom I descend) born 4 August 1744, married
first, (21 June 1767) Jane Apperson by whom he had nine children; married
second, (10 January 1788) Elizabeth Whitehead Swepton by whom he had two
daughters, and third, at the age of 81, married Phoebe Newby. As a youth, he
served in the French and Indian War. In 1771, heconverted to the Baptist
faith and two years later on 22 August 1773, founded the Chesterfield Church
in his barn where he "commenced laborin gin the Lord's vineyard..." His
strong, blunt manner was well known. One day, when a man appeared outside a
house in which Clay was preaching, threatening to "whip" him, Eleazar Clay
replied, "I am the sone of Charles Clay and fear no man. If I have to go out
after him, I will give him one of the worst whippings he ever had in his
life." It is recorded that the antagonist left without satisfaction. For more
than a half century, Clay remained one of the most influential members among
Virginia Baptists. He owned extensive tracts of land in Chesterfield and
Pittsylvania Counties when he passed away at age 92 on 2 May 1836. (The
Virginia Baptist Register, #9, Virginia Baptist Historical Society, Richmond,
Va, 1970; Clay Family Bible Records, #35084, LVA).
3 Rev. Charles Clay, born 24 December 1745, married Editha Davies by whom he
had four children. As an Episcopal minister ordained by the Bishop of London
in 1769, he strongly embraced the Revolution, declaring that the "cause of
liberty was the cause of God." At the request of his close friend Thomas
Jefferson, Clay preached the funeral of Jefferson's brother-in-law Dabney
Carr in 1773, as well as that of his sister Elizabeth Jefferson a year later.
He maintained a life long correspondence with the third President, much of
which is preserved among Jefferson's papers. Charles Clay died in Beford,
Virginia in 1820. (Clay, Mary Rogers, The Clay Family, Filson Club,
Louisville, 1899, pp. 84-6; Malone, Dumas. Jefferson, the Virginian, Boston,
1948, pp. 165, 430-1.)
4. Henry Clay, born 5 March 1748, enlisted as a private in Capt. Peter Dun's
Company of the 6th Virginia Regiment, commanded by Lt. Col. James Hendricks.
Henry Clay died in the army near Trenton, New Jersey, on 20 December 1776.
(Compiled Service Records of Soldiers who Served in the American Army During
the Revolutionary War, Roll 1003, Microcopy 881, National Archives,
Washington, DC.)
5.Thomas Clay, born 31 July 1750, married Polly Callahan by whom he had three
children. He served as a captain in the Revolutionary War in a Virginia
regiment between 1778-81. He moved to Kentucky where he, like his younger
brother Green, served as a member of the First Constitutional Convention.
(Clay, The Clay Family, p. 86) MORE HELP HERE PLEASE!!
6. Elizabeth (Bettie) Clay, born 21 April 1752, married Alexander Murray.
7. Lucy Clay, twin sister of Elizabeth, born 21 April 1752, married William
Thaxton.
8. Matthew Clay, born 25 March 1754, married first, Mary Williams (16 June
1770--25 March 1798) by whom he had five children, to wit: Sally (22 November
1789), Joseph (19 May 1792), Matthew (2 March 1794), Polly (12 December
1795), and an unnamed child on 25 March 1798. Matthew married second, Ann
Saunders by whom he had at least two other children. She died on 19 July
1806. One of his daughters (unidentified at this time) perished in the
Richmond Theatre Fire of 26 December 1811. And at the time of his own demise
in 1815, only three of his children were named in his will: Martha, Joseph,
and Amanda Ann. (Clement, Maud C. History of Pittsylvania County, Lynchburg,
VA 1929, pp. 202-3; William and Mary Historical Bulletin #20, p. 364; Clay,
The Clay Family, p. 86)
9. General Green Clay, born 14 August 1757, married Sally Lewis by whom he
had six children, the youngest of whom,Cassius Marcellus, was a candidate for
the Republiban Presidential nomination in 1860. A man of great industry,
Green Clay journeyed in his youth to Kentucky as a land surveyor, shrewdly
acquiring vast tracts of property in lieu of payment. In the course of his
career, he operated a distillery at considerable profit and built and rented
a series of taverns to market his elixir. He was a delegate to the First
Constitutional Convention and served as a representative to both the Virginia
and Kentucky legislatures. Service in the Revolutionary War was followed a
generation later by command of the Kentucky Militia during the War of 1812.
When he died in 1828, he owned more than 40,000 acres. (Smiley, David. Lion
of White Hall, gloucester, MA, 1969, pp. 5-7, 12).
10. Priscilla Clay, born 30 April 1759, died unmarried.
11. Martha Clay, born 13 July 1761, married Hopkins Lewis and died in 1844
without issue..
Some of these details are from the Green Clay MS...copy in LVA, Richmond. I
am always eager to correct the mistakes in this. Please let me know! Would
really like more info on Eleazar's family...especially mystery man Thomas.
Pardon the typos.I keyed this in after midnight!!
Gregg Clemmer
In a message dated 7/18/01 9:43:59 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
OXQZEME688(a)aol.com writes:
<< I have a copy of the letter and Jeffersons reply, I got it from Poplar
Forest, Jefferson's Bedford Co. home, I will dig it out and let you know
what
it says, and the date. Might take a couple of days to go through the boxes.
Gynger
>>
Many thanks on that Gynger! I wonder if the original is in Jefferson's papers
at the Alderman Library in Charlottesville?
Gregg
I have a copy of the letter and Jeffersons reply, I got it from Poplar
Forest, Jefferson's Bedford Co. home, I will dig it out and let you know what
it says, and the date. Might take a couple of days to go through the boxes.
Gynger
In a message dated 7/18/01 4:02:46 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
OXQZEME688(a)aol.com writes:
> In a letter that Green Clay wrote to Jefferson many years after leaving Va.,
> Green mentions that his brother Thomas and Jefferson's brother Randolph
> also
> left Virginia and went to Kentucky the same time as Green. I do not know if
>
Hi, good to hear from you.
Is this the Greene you are talking about, if not please send dates so I can
see which one it is. Stories abound in my step dad's family of a relationship
to Thomas Jefferson. also would appreciate dates for these children if anyone
knows.
Also if the Thomas you mention is a son of this Charles i don't have him
either
Descendants of Charles Clay
1 Charles CLAY b: 31 January 1716/17 d: 1789 in Powhatan Co.,
VA
.. +Martha GREEN b: 25 November 1719 m: 11 November 1741 d: 06
September 1793
.... 2 Charles CLAY b: Bet. 1741 - 1771
Date source: SWG EST.
.... 2 Matthew CLAY b: Bet. 1741 - 1771
Date source: SWG EST.
.... 2 Greene CLAY b: Bet. 1741 - 1771 Date
source: SWG EST.
.... 2 Eleazer CLAY b: 1744 in Virginia d: 02 May 1836 in
Chesterfield Co., VA
Thanks for writing.
Sandy in Florida
Maybe I'll catch up with my mail when I retire, in 2010!
Dear Gynger:
Thanks for the post. Do you have a citation on that letter from Green Clay to
Jefferson? The date, repository, etc? Thomas had issue (Rogers, The Clay
Family, p. 86) three children: Nestor, Tacitus, and Cynthia. I understand
Thomas has a will on file in Pittsylvania County, VA from 1777, obviously a
prudent document for a young man about to go to war. I suspect from Rogers,
and other sources, he ended up in Daviess County, Kentucky. I'd like to
ascertain the information in Rogers, especially his three children. I have
found many errors in other Clay lines in her book, although I do recognize
her contribution to our family's history.
Gregg
In a letter that Green Clay wrote to Jefferson many years after leaving Va.,
Green mentions that his brother Thomas and Jefferson's brother Randolph also
left Virginia and went to Kentucky the same time as Green. I do not know if
Thomas returned to Virginia, but have not as yet found him. Gynger
In a message dated 6/19/01 2:21:05 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
CClay23668(a)aol.com writes:
> John Clay and William Mitchell Clay were brothers. John Clay m. (1) Sarah
> Watkins and had sons John and Edward. He m. (2) Mary Bass and had a
> daughter Fanny. Mary entered the marriage with a son, Jerimiah who
> sometimes went by the name of Clay. John, son of John and Sarah, was the
> father of Henry Clay 'the Statesman'. Henry m. Lucretia Hart. So, it should
> be:
> 1. Henry and Mary [mitchell]
> 2. John and Sarah [watkins]; John and Mary [bass]
> 3. John and Elizabeth [hudson]
> 4. Henry and Lucretia [hart]
>
> Elizabeth (Hudson) Clay m. Capt. [henry] Watkins after her husband John
>
Hi, good to hear from you.
The list of people by first names is confusing so I added the women's names.
Also who is "her sister's husband," and who is "her sister"? If it is
Elizabeth Hudson I don't have any siblings or parents for her.
Is this Thomas Watkins related to Mary and Henry?
Descendants of Thomas Watkins
1 Thomas WATKINS
.. +Mary CLAY b: Abt. 1722 Father: Henry CLAY I
Mother: Mary MITCHELL
Thanks for writing.
Sandy in Florida
Maybe I'll catch up with my mail when I retire, in 2010!
In a message dated 7/17/01 11:49:39 AM Eastern Daylight Time,
NPeters102(a)aol.com writes:
> Many of us know William Mitchell Clay as the father of Mitchell Clay &
> father-in-law to Phoebe Belcher. William Mitchell Clay, born circa
> 1708-1710,
> was married to a woman whose given name was Martha. Another possibility is
> that she was
> Martha Lewis, sister to Col. Charles Lewis & General Andrew Lewis. Both
> officers were participants in the Battle of Point Pleasant on 10 October
> 1774, which has came to be called the first battle of the Revolutionary War.
>
Hi, good to hear from you.
if she was indeed the sister of these men, does anyone have dates for them?
here is a "family" chart that wuld show this possibility
Descendants of Father Lewis
1 Father LEWIS b bef 1690 Lineage: Unproven
.... 2 Martha Anne LEWIS b: Abt. 1711 d: Bef. 01 January 1764
Lineage: Unproven
........ +William Mitchell CLAY b: 1710 in Henrico Co., VA m: 1732
d: 10 September 1774 in Point Pleasant, Virginia Father: Henry CLAY I
Mother: Mary MITCHELL
.......... 3 William CLAY b: Abt. 1733
.......... 3 Judith CLAY b: Abt. 1734 in Amelia Co., VA
.............. +Thomas F FARLEY b: 1730 in Henrico Co., VA m: 1754
d: 1796
.......... 3 Mitchell CLAY b: Abt. 1736 in Franklin Co., VA d:
April 1811 in Pearisburg, Giles Co, VA
.............. +Phoebe BELCHER b: Bet. 1735 - 1738 in Franklin Co., VA
m: April 1760 in Franklin Co., VA d: 26 July 1810 in Giles Co., VA
Father: Richard BELCHER, Sr. Mother: Mary Obedience CLAY
.......... 3 Ezekiel CLAY b: Abt. 1737
.......... 3 Obediah CLAY b: Abt. 1738
.......... 3 David CLAY b: Abt. 1740
.......... 3 Meredith CLAY b: Abt. 1744
.......... 3 Nancy CLAY b: Abt. 1744
.......... 3 Jesse CLAY b: 1745 d: 1824 in Jasper Co., GA
.... 2 Charles LEWIS Lineage: Unproven
.... 2 Andrew LEWIS Lineage: Unproven
Thanks for writing.
Sandy in Florida
Maybe I'll catch up with my mail when I retire, in 2010!
In a message dated 7/17/01 3:56:30 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
CClay23668(a)aol.com writes:
> "John Clay died about 1762 and his Will is recorded in Chesterfield County.
> His wife was Mrs Mary Bass and they had children as follows:
>
> A John Clay.
> B Edward Clay, who went to North Carolina, served in the North Carolina
> Legislature, where he was tried and expelled for crime. The evidence in
> this case had been reviewed by me and I believe that he was "framed" on the
> charge brought against him. He has been erroneously assigned to Alabama.
> C Fanny Clay"
>
Hi, good to hear from you.
I have John and Edward as sons of Sarah Watkins, it would be most helpful if
we could use dates to id these fellows
Thanks for writing.
Sandy in Florida
Maybe I'll catch up with my mail when I retire, in 2010!
Alot of LW Rigsby wrote is hearsay and needs to be searched further by people
who are looking for there Clay families. There is lot of good infomation but
you need to documented his information as there is none in his book. Loraine