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To all those I promised census info on over Easter, an update. The
city library in Laguna Nigel has Tennessee census records; I was there
over Easter, so I went along, only to discover that the library was
closed for painting! I will now wait until the census data is
downloaded on the net. Only a matter of time. My line appears to go
from Virginia ( Cumberland to Lunenberg Co) thence to Wilson County
Tennessee for much of the 19th Century thence to California, early
20th Century.
Green is also found as a middle name, but I am beginning to think that
there was much copycat use of the name, especially as the Kentucky
Clays were pretty well known and everyone seems to want to be related
to them.
My aunt Louise said we were "kin", but if my research to date is
correct, the kinship was very distant.
If I find anything useful for other Tennessee Clay researchers, I
shall post it.
Jackie C Fisher
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It drives me crazy when all the names are there but I can't figure out who
they are, I have Belcher, Clay and Dillion--but not these, and even a Parris
Meadows....
Maybe the children will help, do you know how to do an outline chart on FTM
with full dates and locations?
Sandy in Fla
In a message dated 4/16/99 10:05:13 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dennis(a)newwave.net writes:
> I am looking for Martha Belcher and Sarah Belcher.
> Martha was born around 1773 in Franklin County, VA. She married JAMES
> DILLON, JR on 2 Feb 1789 in Franklin County. She may have died in Tazewell
> County, VA.
> Her parents may have been ISHAM BELCHER and ELIZABETH CLAY.
>
> Sarah Belcher married Parris Dillon. Her daughter, Sarah Elizabeth Dillon,
> married JOHN ALFRED RACER. Sarah Elizabeth and John Racer are my great
> grandparents. I got Sarah Belcher's name from her daughter's death record
> at the Putnam County Courthouse.
>
> Martha and James Dillon are the grandparents of Parris. Most of the Dillon
> research that I have seen on the net lists someone else as the wife of
> Parris.
>
Hello all
I'm new to this list and researching my maiden name - CLAY, particularly
descendants of Robert CLAY occupation Brazier, married Elizabeth PAYNE 14
Nov 1817, Nuneaton.
Children
Ann CLAY bpt 1818 Nuneaton
Charles CLAY bpt 1821
Thomas CLAY b25 Oct 1824 Bedworth m Elizabeth ??
William Clay born 27 March 1829 Bedworth m Ann SMITH
Robert CLAY born 5 July 1831 Bedworth m Sarah ROWE
Sarah PAYNE CLAY bpt 1849
Robert CLAY and Sarah ROWE married 11 Sept 1862 in Coventry, but shortly
after moved to LEICESTER where all but one of their 8 children were born
including my grandfather Joseph CLAY
'would welcome any help or possible connections
Regards
Liz Thake
Market Harborough, Leicestershire. UK
ethake(a)webleicester.co.uk
Interests:
CLAY/MARTIN/MERRICK/THORPE - Leicester and CLAY/ROWE - Warwickshire
LINCOLN - Attleborough,NFK
TURNER/FORDER - Norwich, NFK
CARMAN/ORFORD/KEMP/DAINES - Norfolk
SAUNDERS/BOTTOMS - Dunstable
THAKE - Any
All,
I'm working on the line from Martha Filmer on back. All of this
information is on gendex.com. Use a search engine and type in gendex.
Much of this information is already in my files. The FitzAlans were the
forebearers of many of my ancestors. Once I get all this in outline
form, I can share it. Until then, I'm spending too much time typing and
retyping the same information on CLAY-D Digest.
In order to go back this far, you have to leave the Clay family and
trace the Filmers. There is alot of question about John Clay, the
Grenadier's lineage. I know of three theories and there must be others.
I caution you against taking any of these theories seriously. The proof
has not been given.
For those of you doing one-name studies - I don't mind helping you with
what I have, but I don't have the children and grandchildren of my
ancestors' siblings in my data base. Some people have chosen to keep
more extensive records on each of their surnames than I have or want.
It has been my experience that the farther back you go, the fewer people
you want in your files. It becomes overwhelming. If you do an
Ahnentafel on one of your grandparents, by the time you are back 25
generations (and you can do this with the
Clay-Green-Filmer-Argall-Scott, etc. line) you are into millions of
people. Great Aunt Suzie's grandchildren get lost in the shuffle!
Please understand that I simply cannot put all this up on the CLAY-D
Digest. Most of it is on the Internet...and some have given their
sources! You can write for the sources that are not given. I've found
alot of theory and not much substance.
Mary Anne Rick
Karen,
I have never seen the Green line taken back any further than Thomas and
Martha ( ) Green. From what I know, they left England for religious
reasons and went to Holland and then came to this country on the
'Speedwell'. They settled near Petersburg, VA. You are getting close
to the 1500's when the records end. Supposedly, the Seagull was born in
1635. My records show Thomas I and Martha born in England, both died in
James City Co., VA.
Mary Anne
I descend from Dr. Henry Clay and Rachel Povall through their daughter
Rebecca who married William Finch. They moved from VA to Bourbon Co., KY.
Do any of you have the Green line back any farther than the father (Thomas)
of the "Seagull" (also Thomas)?
Karen
"Mary Anne C. Rick" wrote:
> Shari,
>
> The GREEN surname comes into the CLAY line with three marriages in one
> generation....
>
> Was the GREEN line you traced the line of Thomas 'Seagull' Green? If
> not, I have it....
Shari,
The GREEN surname comes into the CLAY line with three marriages in one
generation. [This is not to say there have never been any other
CLAY-GREEN marriages.] Three of the children of Henry and Mary
(Mitchell) Clay married Green's: Henry m Lucy Green; Charles m Martha
Green and Amey m William Green, uncle of Lucy and Martha. We can
eliminate Amey as the Clay name stops with her. Henry and Lucy had ten
children:
Henry, MD m Rachel Povall
Charles m Phebe Cheatham *
Samuel Green m Martha Wall
Thomas m Susanna Watkins
Abia m Sally Skinner
Marston/Maston m Elizabeth Williams (2) Sally Williams?
Rebecca m John Marshall
John [Henry Clay of KY's line]
Lucy m Richard Jones
Elijah m Martha McNeal
I have the children of Samuel Green and Martha (Wall) Clay and they were
born before 1812; Samuel died in 1809. They lived in Glanville Co. NC.
At least one of their children, Samuel Mitchell Clay went to Limestone
Co., AL in the 1820's. This is my line.
* Phebe Cheatham was the daughter of Leonard Chatham, Sr. and Elizabeth
GREEN who was a sister to Lucy and Martha. Here's another way the GREEN
surname creeps into the Clay line.
Charles and Martha (Green) Clay had:
Mary m Stephen Lockett
Eleazer m Mrs. Elizabeth (Swepson) Whithead (2) Phebe Newby
Charles m Editha Davies
Henry
Thomas m Mary Jane (Dawson) Callahan
Elizabeth 'Bette' m Alexander Murry
Lucy (Bette's twin) m William Thaxton. Their children moved to
GA and Lucy came with them after William's death. They
are still here and I know some of them.
Matthew m Mary Ann 'Polly' William (2) Mrs. Julie Saunders
Green m Sally Lewis He went to KY.
Priscilla
Martha m _____ Lewis
Was the GREEN line you traced the line of Thomas 'Seagull' Green? If
not, I have it. Let me know.
There are several researchers with whom I've corresponded who are
looking for Clay ancestors where the Green name comes into the family
somehow. None that I know of have been able to tie in with my
information. Quite a few Clay's went to NC - it was an easy move from
VA and land was opening up. Much of the old farm land in VA was worn
out with cotton and tobacco and the younger generation moved on. Also,
one son seemed to inherit the old family place which left his brothers
to find their own nest.
Mary Anne Rick
I'm forwarding this message from Shari Herron who is not a subscriber. If
you have any information for her, please forward it to her e-mail address
(slhrdh13(a)lctn.com) as well as the list. The date of the original message
shows how far behind I am, sorry!
Steve Jacobson
List Manager for CLAY list
-----Original Message-----
From: shari Herron [mailto:slhrdh13@lctn.com]
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 1999 4:56 PM
To: CLAY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: {not a subscriber} Clay's
Hello,
My name is Shari Clay Herron, and my great-great grandfather was Jackson
Monroe Clay Sr. As far as I can tell, he was born in or around 1812,
somewhere in NC. That is all the information I can find on this man. I do
know he married a Cynthia Guinn, in Hardeman County TN, in Dec of 1839. I
have a copy of that marriage certificate. She also was born in or around
1812, in NC.
Any information about how I can find out more about these people would be
greatly appreciated.
My great grandfather, their son, was Joseph Green Clay. Because of the
Green, in his name, I have researched the name Green. Can't find any direct
links to go on. He married a Jemima Olds, and they lived in Lauderdale Co.
TN, which is where I am from.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Shari Herron
Looking for the ancestral line of Hurston CLAY (Hurston was the Father of
Milton CLAY & Grandfather of Herbert CLAY & s/o Greenville and Mary Elizabeth
Donahoe and b. ~ 1870). Greenville was the s/o Caleb and Zilpha Akers.
I believe Caleb may be the s/o Charles Lewis CLAY (s/o Mitchell CLAY, JR. &
Judith CLAY) & Ora STEWART (d/o Capt. Ralph STEWART & Mary CLAY). Charles had
a Son Greenville. Caleb may therefore have named a Son after his Brother
Greenville.
Thanks.
Tim Spradling (descendant of John CLAY and his second Wife Elizabeth - John
being the original immigrant to Jamestown, VA in 1613)
<A HREF="http://members.aol.com/spr%20ad666/index.html">SPRAD666's Home Page
</A>
I am looking for any information on the Clay branch from Michigan. Orpha
Zella (Clay) Orrison was my grandmother.
1. Frederick Clay was born about 1827 in England.
married Anna (Ann) Robertshaw: born about 1829 in England.
They had the following children:
i. Sophia Clay was born about 1848 in England.
ii. Simeon Clay was born about 1853 in England.
iii. Thomas A. Clay was born about 1859 in Michigan.
iv. Cassius Milo Clay was born on March 27, 1861 in Hamlin
Township, Eaton County, Michigan, died on
October 14,
1939 in Lansing, Michigan and was buried on
October
16, 1939 in Mt. Hope Cemetery, Lansing, Michigan
Cassius married Ella Schutt, daughter of Milo Schutt
and Dorcas L. Godfrey,on November 14, 1888 in Jackson
County, Michigan. Ella Schutt was born on November 16,
1865, died on May 16, 1953
They had the following children:
i. Milo Clay
ii. Mildred L'Irene Clay
iii. Orpha Zella Clay was born on July 10, 1892 in
Springport, Michigan, was baptized
on April 3, 1955 in
Brooks Memorial Methodist Church,
Marshall, Michigan,
died on May 14, 1968 in Marshall,
Michigan and was
buried in Oakridge Cemetery,
Marshall, Michigan
v. Frank Clay
vi. Julia Clay
Thanks for any help
Kathy Townsley
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Milton
Thanks for answering my post. The information that I have on James L.
Clay at this time is as follows; He was born apporx. Aug.22, 1794 in Va.
or England and he married Eliza Jane Gilbert on Sept. 16 1871 in
Hickman Co. Tn.----There are several more marriages listed for this
individual that we have copies of and the signature looks to be the
same!!! Children that we have listed for his marriage to Eliza
are--Alvaracca Clay--John Alonza Clay-- Emily Pocahontas Clay
Sarah Frances Clay and Samuel W. Clay .
The bokk that I seek was probably a very small private publication
somewhere in the Michigan area. I hope this info will give you enough to
make some sort of connection.
Thomas Kelly
lolo2(a)pchnet.com
I am searching for info a James Clay father of Elmira Clay who was born May
31, 1846 to James and ? Slonaker. Any help would be appreciated
Cheryl
ja.ckm(a)gcronline.com
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lolo2(a)pchnet.com wrote:
> Hi guys;
> Does anyone on the CLAY list have any knowledge of a book by the
> title of " The Clay Family, yesterday, today , and tomorrow" This book
> was suppose to have been by Archie Clay in Michigan in the late 1950's
> or 1960's
> I am researching James L. Clay ca.1794-1874 and this book is supposed
> to have information on him.
> Any help will be appreciated.
> Thomas Kelly
> lolo2(a)pchnet.com
>
> Book unknown to me, but if info shows up would be very appreciative if you
> would pass the word along.
Do you have any further collateral info on James L.? Possible birth place or
marriage. My files hold a hundred or so James CLAY so if you can narrow it
down I might be able to help.
Hi guys;
Does anyone on the CLAY list have any knowledge of a book by the
title of " The Clay Family, yesterday, today , and tomorrow" This book
was suppose to have been by Archie Clay in Michigan in the late 1950's
or 1960's
I am researching James L. Clay ca.1794-1874 and this book is supposed
to have information on him.
Any help will be appreciated.
Thomas Kelly
lolo2(a)pchnet.com