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Here is some data I recieved from a cousin. I hope you can add to it. I E-Mailed
you message to her this morning.
I am interested in John C. Clay because of his John CLOSE conection.
Subject:
Common ancestors
Date:
Sun, 19 Oct 1997 12:04:34 -0700
From:
myver(a)juno.com (Vernon J Clay)
To:
jwostal(a)sat.net
Terry Stelly forwarded your lineage information to us. My husband is
descended from the Stelly family. I was even more interested in your
connection to John Close from Nelson County, Ky who married Euphrosine
Barre. He may be the connection we need to learn more about our "stone
wall" relative, John C. Clay. Family stories say he had known John Close
before they each came to Louisiana. I think John Clay even lived with or
worked for John Close around 1830. Do you have any information on John
Close before he came to Louisiana other than the simple facts I have
stated? Our family doesn't have any information on John Clay before he
married Adelaide Coulon DeVillier in Opelousas, La in 1839. We don't know
where he came from nor where he went after he left abruptly in about
1845. You may hold the keys to some of his past. Also your Close family
married into my DeJean family. One of John's children married a DeJean.
My grandmother was Louisa DeJean, born about 1880. Any information you
can share may be a help. Thank you for your consideration. Myra Clay
<MYVER(a)aol.com> or <MYVER(a)juno.com> .
================================
Subject:
Re: Common ancestors
Date:
Sun, 19 Oct 1997 19:59:58 -0700
From:
myver(a)juno.com (Vernon J Clay)
To:
jwostal(a)sat.net
What fun this is going to be!!! I found our DeJean on the printout you
sent. He is Honore DeJean #5975 who married Euphrosine Close # 5964 in
Opelousas La 9 Aug 1838. I also have the information about Daniel Boone
in my data base. There are probably several crosses in our lines, what
with your being related to some of my line and also to some of my
husband's.
Back to John C. Clay. He is called "the Mystery Man of St. Landry Parish,
La". We have no proof of where he came from or where he went when he left
abruptly around 1845. One family researcher says he had had a prior
friendship with John Close and we assumed from Kentucky. If so, he could
have gone from Virginia (where another family researcher insists he was
born) through Kentucky before he landed in Louisiana. From reading the
census it seems that John Close lived next to Adelaide Coulon Devillier.
IF John Clay was working there or living there it would have been easy
for Clay and DeVillier to meet and marry. Adelaide was a character. She
had already been widowed twice before she married Clay. She was a member
of an aristocratic and wealthy family. They were married in a civil
ceremony in Opelousas (Donations) and this makes me believe that he had
probably been married before because she COULD have been married in the
Church if she had chosen or if HE agreed. If he was born around 1796 he
would have been in his very early 40's and the probabilities are that he
had been married at lest once before by that time. Anyway, the civil
marriage didn't require him to list his parents like church weddings did.
We have no clue who his parents or his siblings were. More's the pity. He
left suddenly and the family didn't hear from him again until around
1870. He came to visit his children told them he had done well and was
giving them each a piece of property on his return. They never heard from
him again. Adelaide had divorced him in 1850 and married AGAIN. Money
must really attract the men. I know this is a mish-mash of information
and I hope you can make heads or tails of it.
=============================
Subject:
Re: John C. Clay
Date:
Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:44:44 -0500 (EST)
From:
MYVER(a)aol.com
To:
jwostal(a)sat.net
Judy, I have opened my sent files and find they are no longer available.
So.....Our John C. Clay came to the Opelousas, LA area probably in the early
1830's. He married Adelaide Coulon DeVilliers in 1839. John Clay would have
been in his early 40's if the birth date is correct. The odds are that John
C. Clay had been married before at that age. That might explain why John and
Adelaide were married in only a civil ceremony. At least no church records
have been found. Adelaide had been married and widowed twice before but there
was no impediment on her part to a church ceremony. Perhaps John refused to
have a Catholic ceremony. The Clay's have a strong Protestant background
(Episcopalisn and Baptist). Anyway, back to my story.They had three children:
Charles, Aimee and Francoise. He left in the middle of the night in the
mid-to-late 1840's. (He had killed a man, supposedly in self-defense, in
Opelousas and was warned that the gentleman's brothers were coming to kill
him). After he left and didn't send further word to his family, Adelaide
divorced him. Family stories say that John came from Virginia. Another family
genealogist believes that John was born in Virginia around 1796 and lived for
a while in Kentucky before he showed up in Louisiana. IF the birth date if
correct John would have been in his very early 40's in 1839. He most probably
had been married before. He believes John Clay knew John C. Close (known to
be from Nelson County, Ky) before John Clay came to Louisiana. In fact, he
believes that John Clay lived or worked on the Close place before he knew
Adelaide. The two plantations were near each other. Adelaide's place was on
the old Teche road between Port Barre and Leonville at a place described on
Donations papers as Prairie Petit Bois. This genealogist also believes that
John Clay returned to Kentucky after he left Louisiana, married a relative of
John Close (Serena Close) and raised another family. He has shown me NO proof
of any of these theories. If any of this makes sense or you need more
information I'll be happy to try to fill you in. Let me hear from you. Myra
Clay <MYVER(a)aol.com>
=====================================
This concerns another John Clay who was in Louisiana:
Subject:
Re: John C. Clay
Date:
Mon, 10 Nov 1997 13:44:44 -0500 (EST)
From:
MYVER(a)aol.com
To:
jwostal(a)sat.net
Judy, I have opened my sent files and find they are no longer available.
So.....Our John C. Clay came to the Opelousas, LA area probably in the early
1830's. He married Adelaide Coulon DeVilliers in 1839. John Clay would have
been in his early 40's if the birth date is correct. The odds are that John
C. Clay had been married before at that age. That might explain why John and
Adelaide were married in only a civil ceremony. At least no church records
have been found. Adelaide had been married and widowed twice before but there
was no impediment on her part to a church ceremony. Perhaps John refused to
have a Catholic ceremony. The Clay's have a strong Protestant background
(Episcopalisn and Baptist). Anyway, back to my story.They had three children:
Charles, Aimee and Francoise. He left in the middle of the night in the
mid-to-late 1840's. (He had killed a man, supposedly in self-defense, in
Opelousas and was warned that the gentleman's brothers were coming to kill
him). After he left and didn't send further word to his family, Adelaide
divorced him. Family stories say that John came from Virginia. Another family
genealogist believes that John was born in Virginia around 1796 and lived for
a while in Kentucky before he showed up in Louisiana. IF the birth date if
correct John would have been in his very early 40's in 1839. He most probably
had been married before. He believes John Clay knew John C. Close (known to
be from Nelson County, Ky) before John Clay came to Louisiana. In fact, he
believes that John Clay lived or worked on the Close place before he knew
Adelaide. The two plantations were near each other. Adelaide's place was on
the old Teche road between Port Barre and Leonville at a place described on
Donations papers as Prairie Petit Bois. This genealogist also believes that
John Clay returned to Kentucky after he left Louisiana, married a relative of
John Close (Serena Close) and raised another family. He has shown me NO proof
of any of these theories. If any of this makes sense or you need more
information I'll be happy to try to fill you in. Let me hear from you. Myra
Clay <MYVER(a)aol.com>
============================
Do you have a Serena Close, Clouse in your data base? There is another
rumor that our John C. Clay went back to Kentucky and married someone by
that name. Probably kin to John Close. Only a rumor but you never know.
=============================
Jmol26 wrote:
> Is anyone researching John C Clay (b 1789/92 N Carolina m:Athlinda).
> I'm trying to find info of John's family- especially John Hampton Clay (b 1824
> N Carolina m: Mary Coombs, d aft 1850 in GA. Thanks
I don't know how much fo the above is repitition, but each seemed to ahve a
little more info.
--
jwostal(a)sat.net
Home Pages http://netonecom.net/~bbcat/Judy.htmlhttp://www.mccserv.com/genealogy/jtwostal/jtwostal.htm [This is a work in
progress (as in "Under Construction") which means any bricks you can add and any
corrections you can contribute are greatly appreciated].
http://www.mccserv.com/genealogy/genelist.htm
Is anyone researching John C Clay (b 1789/92 N Carolina m:Athlinda).
I'm trying to find info of John's family- especially John Hampton Clay (b 1824
N Carolina m: Mary Coombs, d aft 1850 in GA. Thanks
Can someone help me with the parents of Sarah/Sally Clay? I think she was
born in Cabarrus Co, NC sometime around 1795. She married Charles Alexander
Shelby in 1818 in Pope Co Illinois. They later moved to Mississippi Co, MO
although some of their children stayed in Illinois. Charles A Shelby was born
in North Carolina in 1793. An help would be very much appreciated - this line
has been a dead end for a long time. Thanks, Kate Rice
Who is SPRAD666 ?........
SPRAD666 wrote:
>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject: Robert Young Clay talk
> Date: Sun, 21 Dec 1997 18:30:10 EST
> From: SPRAD666 <SPRAD666(a)aol.com>
> Organization: AOL (http://www.aol.com)
> To: lizard(a)eagle.ptialaska.net
> CC: SSpradling(a)aol.com
>
> Hi Sandy & Frances, I just recieved a copy (from Robert Young Clay, an
> archivist at the LVA in Richmond that has studied the CLAY surname forever) of
> a talk he gave in 1995 to the Jamestowne Society on John CLAY, the original
> immigrant, and again stated that as of now no one that he is aware of has
> identified his parents (as many claim). Matter of fact we descend from John &
> his 2nd wife Elizabeth rather than Ann his first wife [that gave him a son
> William that had no (as yet identified offspring)]. So therefore the line as
> of 1995 is: John CLAY = Elizabeth someone -----> Charles CLAY= Hannah Wilson
> ----> Henry CLAY = Mary MITCHELL -----> William "Mitchell" CLAY = Martha
> (1st wife) & Agnes (2nd wife) ----> Mithchell CLAY, Sr. , etc. Tim
Yes!! I have his info I had to go to the newspapers to get his list of
heirs let me look and will send what I have-nicholas Clay is who i believe
his father to be
I am still trying to connect my Solomon Clay from NC to Missouri where he
died in 1833
Angela
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> From: Robert Mackinnon <bobmackinnon(a)worldnet.att.net>
> To: Clay <Clay-D(a)rootsweb.com>
> Subject: Abram Clay
> Date: Monday, December 22, 1997 1:47 PM
>
> Does anyone out there have info on Abram Clay m Mary Jones 1789 Lincoln
> Co., NC, went to Fayette Co., Ky, had several children, then went to
> Montgomery Co, Mo where he died. Help gratefully accepted.
Does anyone out there have info on Abram Clay m Mary Jones 1789 Lincoln
Co., NC, went to Fayette Co., Ky, had several children, then went to
Montgomery Co, Mo where he died. Help gratefully accepted.
Does anyone Show a John C. CLAY married to Adelaide Coulon DeVillier in
Opelousas, La in 1839 or to Serena CLOSE or any CLOSE) in or near Kentucky
(several years later?
Judy TRAHAN Wostal
Kathy
I noticed your posting on the Clays. My husband is also a descendant of Mitchell and Juda Clay through their son Bartley b,jul 27 1799 married to Nancy Prince b 1805. Do you have any info on Nancy? He is also decended from Mary Elliott and Ralph Stewart. Will be glad to share info.
Barb Smith
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From: Kathy Clark-Tilson
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 1997 3:21 PM
To: CLAY-L(a)rootsweb.com
Subject: Cowpasture, VA STEWARTs
Responding to posting of Cowpasture, Va. and the Stewarts... I am
descendant of Mitchell and Phoebe BELCHER CLAY through their son
Mitchell CLAY, Jr. who m. Juda CLAY, d/o William and Ann OLD CLAY.
Posting mentioned data on Ora STEWARD, d/o of Capt. Ralph
STEWART and his second wife, Mary Obedience "Polly" CLAY, d/o Mitchell
& Phoebe. I have the names of six children from Ralph STEWART's first
marriage to Mary ELLIOTT. I have the names of 13 children for Capt
STEWART and Mary Obedience CLAY STEWART. I have Ora STEWART as b. 1794.
I do not have her spouse data or any descendants of this line. If not
too much to ask, would like data on this line, for my records. Thank
you...
Kathy in Fla kathy(a)katsoft.com
Responding to posting of Cowpasture, Va. and the Stewarts... I am
descendant of Mitchell and Phoebe BELCHER CLAY through their son
Mitchell CLAY, Jr. who m. Juda CLAY, d/o William and Ann OLD CLAY.
Posting mentioned data on Ora STEWARD, d/o of Capt. Ralph
STEWART and his second wife, Mary Obedience "Polly" CLAY, d/o Mitchell
& Phoebe. I have the names of six children from Ralph STEWART's first
marriage to Mary ELLIOTT. I have the names of 13 children for Capt
STEWART and Mary Obedience CLAY STEWART. I have Ora STEWART as b. 1794.
I do not have her spouse data or any descendants of this line. If not
too much to ask, would like data on this line, for my records. Thank
you...
Kathy in Fla kathy(a)katsoft.com
Thanks for the file Ed.
I do have a question that I have thought about several times that I am sending
out to you and several discussion lists. Did Capt. Ralph STEWART (s/o James
STEWART & b. in 1746) & Mary CLAY (his 2nd wife & d/o Mitchell CLAY, Sr. & b.
in 1772) have a daughter that was b. in 1792 named Ora (Aura) that m. Charles
CLAY (s/o Mitchell CLAY, Sr. & b. in 1774) or was she b. in 1808 and married
to Charles Lewis CLAY (s/o Mitchell CLAY, Jr. b. 1800/1804)?
Daniel,
No, I have not been in touch with either Barbara or David. Do you
have an e-mail address or website for them?
I also have McNeelys on my Adkins side. I'm looking for the parents
of Frances McNeely who married Allen Adkins. They lived in
Lincoln/Logan Co., VA/WV They both disappeared one day and were
never found.
____
Lynda Logan in FL
researching Adkins, Ball, Blankenship, Brashear, Chaffin, Clay,
Crockett, Ferguson, Fry, Harless, Huff, Knight, Logan, McNeely,
Mounts, Noe, Osborn, Patrick, Perdue, Sanders, Stafford, Stephens,
Toney, Trout, Tunnell, Wilson
Hi Kate:
I am a descendant of the CLAY family, my gggGM was Sally CLAY, b. 1795,
NC - d. 1838, Cobb Co., GA. She md., Hiram BROWN in 1816, Mecklenburg Co.,
NC.
My ancestor, Charles POLK's (Rev. Sol.), 2nd., wife was Phoebe HELMS and their
dau. Martha W. POLK md., Moses SHELBY, date - ?.
The CLAYs, BROWNs, POLKs and SHELBY were from NC and settled in either
Cobb or Campbell (now Fulton) Cos., GA.
Carol
WOULD APPRECIATE ANY HELP IN DETERMINING THE PARENTS OF SARAH/SALLY CLAY WHO
MARRIED CHARLES ALEXANDER SHELBY IN 1818 AT POPE CO, ILL. HER PARENTS MAY
HAVE BEEN FROM N.C. THANKS - KATE
Looking for CLAY in Louden Township, Seneca County, Ohio. Was John H.
Clay born 3 Oct 1807 in Frederick Md and died 21 Jul 1893 in Louden Twp,
Seneca County, Ohio related to the other CLAYs in Louden Twp-Simon etc.
John H. Clay moved to Louden Twp, Seneca Co, Ohio about 1844.
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>Am also interested in Sir John Clay. Have been researching my Clay
>ancestors for over 20 years, however, Sir John and some of the very
>early Clays are rather illusive. Would also be interested in any
>information on Sir John.
>
>____
>Lynda Logan in FL
>researching Adkins, Ball, Blankenship, Brashear, Chaffin, Clay,
>Crockett, Ferguson, Fry, Harless, Huff, Knight, Logan, McNeely,
>Mounts, Noe, Osborn, Patrick, Perdue, Sanders, Stafford, Stephens,
>Toney, Trout, Tunnell, Wilson
>
>Dear Linda, Have you ever been in contact with Barb Smith? She has some
Clay information. Also David Roper from Panana City, Fl. is a CLay
researcher. I have Clays and Mcneelys in my lines. HAve you ever heard
of Mary McNeely who married John Cline in Madison,KY.14 Aug. 1787? Bye
for now and I hope to hear from you soon. Daniel
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At 03:27 PM 12/6/97 -0500, you wrote:
>Am also interested in Sir John Clay.
Me, too! Gosh, it seems there are so many of us descended from this line we
ought to somehow get together and pool all of the info out there. These are
the web pages I have found with information on "our" CLAYs:
<http://wsrv.clas.virginia.edu/~wkb5j/clay.html>
<http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/6025/>
<http://www.trellis.net/users/madamx>
<http:www.geocities.com/Heartland/Prairies/9551>
If anyone has more to add, please do! I'm always looking to learn more (and
add to my collection of URLs.)
Frances Cavendish Dorman
lizard(a)eagle.ptialaska.net
Am also interested in Sir John Clay. Have been researching my Clay
ancestors for over 20 years, however, Sir John and some of the very
early Clays are rather illusive. Would also be interested in any
information on Sir John.
____
Lynda Logan in FL
researching Adkins, Ball, Blankenship, Brashear, Chaffin, Clay,
Crockett, Ferguson, Fry, Harless, Huff, Knight, Logan, McNeely,
Mounts, Noe, Osborn, Patrick, Perdue, Sanders, Stafford, Stephens,
Toney, Trout, Tunnell, Wilson