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what about clary in tn.
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From: "Bing Edwards" <bing_Ed(a)msn.com>
To: <CLARY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: [CLARY] Re: who came before Thomas Clary?
> Hello Teresa:
>
> Yes, you probably are a part of the Clary Clan that originated with Thomas
> and his wife, Judith. I know they settled in Surry County and I also know
> there are Clary's still in that vicinity. At one time I actually had
> someone from down there send me a photo of an old gravestone. I'm from
> the same line as well. Good luck with your search. Hopefully, at some
> time, we can all share the information each of us has. I would be
> interested in knowing your line as much as you know it at this time.
>
> Bing Anne Edwards
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> From: Vadixyluvr(a)aol.com<mailto:Vadixyluvr@aol.com>
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> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:52 PM
> Subject: [CLARY] Re: who came before Thomas Clary?
>
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> Surnames: Clary
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> Message Board Post:
>
> I am pretty sure that this Thomas Clary is my 9 great-grandfather. And
> was wondering if this is your line also? I have just recently started
> researching my Clary line. And I am not 100% sure about this, but it looks
> like it is a pretty good chance.
> Teresa Clary Willis
> Brunswick Co. Virginia
>
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Hi, Theresa and John. My husband is a direct link from THomas, John sr., on down to daniel as well as john swearingen etc. I know of a great web site for everyone under John Sr. email me if interested. I just can't go beyond Thomas in 1630. By the way been out of town for two weeks sorry I didn't respond sooner.
catherine
kitkatclary(a)yahoo.com
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Surnames: Cleary, Clary, Sullivan, Roach, Crossan, McCarthy
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I am researching the CLARY and the CLEARY lineage. My husbands father was George M. CLEARY born 1890 died 1958. George's two brothers, Francis (Frank) and Vernon, had the last name of CLEARY, but George's other siblings; William P., Winifred D., Mary E., John T., Catherine M., Edward M., James P., and Charles S. all have the last name of CLARY. So in this family three brothers have the last name of CLEARY and the rest have CLARY.
The reason for the difference in the names was that a Nun had told the younger brothers that they spelled their last name wrong and so from then on the change was made. In later years we found my husband' grandpa's tombstone. His name is John P. CLARY, and is buried in Steubenville, Ohio. John P. CLARY married Mary Bridget (ROACH) in Jefferson County Ohio in 1872.
If anyone has any info on this line, I'd love to hear from you. We cannot seem to go back any further than John P. CLARY. John P. CLARY was born in County Clare Ireland in 1850. We believe he had a brother James, born about 1857.
Hello,
With all the discussion recently of CLARY/CLEARY ancestry (and the Rowland book), I wonder if anyone knows how the following CLEARY might fit? Charles Michael CLEARY (1881-1928 b. IL) m. Catherine KONLEY (b1885). Appreciate any info.
Thanks, Steve in AZ
Join the club, Fran:
My GGGGGGG grandparents were John and Elizabeth Haly Clary. Benjamin and Eleanor Gerrard Clary were my GGGGGG Grandparents. Here is where we would part ways because I have no record of Benjamin and Eleanor having a son named Daniel, although Benjamin and Eleanor did have a son named Benjamin and they had a son, Daniel, but he was born around 1778.
For Jason: There are two men in Greencastle, PA who also come from this line. In fact, they are the sons of my grandfather's brother. My grandfather was Walter Harrison Clary and his brother, Howard live to be in (I believe) his 90's. I can't remember the name of one of the sons, but one is named Donald. I believe they are both living.
My grandfather, Walter Clary, along with his father, James McCrea Clary, and his father Pinkney Green Clary are all buried in the Greencastle cemetery. Pinkney was the son of William Clary, married to Sarah Elizabeth Spurrier. William was the son of Daniel Clary, born in Frederick, Md, and Daniel was the son of Benjamin, etc, etc, etc. Would this help you in your search?
Bing Anne
----- Original Message -----
From: Jason S. Clary<mailto:jason@clary.org>
To: CLARY-L(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:CLARY-L@rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [CLARY] John Clary & Thomas Clary
A lot of people have it separate... A lot don't. I know of at least one
Mormon researcher who spent many years researching this as he was a
descendant of this line. He seemed to believe John Sr. was born in Surry,
VA in 1660 and that Thomas moved to Maryland before his death as well.
Still, the only evidence I can find for John Sr. being an immigrant is a
mention in "Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s" which upon
further investigation is nothing more than a land patent record in Baltimore
from 1677 with no indication of immigration.
What evidence exists to connect John to Thomas, I don't know. But I've not
seen anything to indicate John actually immigrated from anywhere other than
possibly Virginia to Maryland.
I've commissioned professional research into this line. I'll let everyone
know the results and provide all the documentation that is found. The
research is to begin from Daniel (the one point I know is likely correct
because of genetic testing on his descendants) and I've stressed that the
researchers not make assumptions based on existing unsupported lineages.
I'd do it myself but I don't have the time or money to fly all over creation
looking for the source records.
As for your specific line... I don't have anything past Benjamin. My line
is by John's son Daniel. I'd be really interested to find a living male
Clary descendant of Benjamin. If you have any living Clary cousins from
this line I'd appreciate it if you could help me find them. I'd be willing
to pay for genetic testing on an individual from that line but unfortunately
it's only useful to do that with a direct male line descendant.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fran Krueger" <frank(a)hsc.edu<mailto:frank@hsc.edu>>
To: <CLARY-L(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:CLARY-L@rootsweb.com>>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:34 AM
Subject: [CLARY] John Clary & Thomas Clary
> Hi,
>
> I would like to see someone make a connection between John and Thomas. I
> also read the Clary Book by Ralph Rowland and got some of my info from the
> book. If I remember correctly, Ralph Rowland had the VA Clary's as a
> separate line.
>
> I am a descendent of John Clary Jr. b. 1684 in MD and married Elizabeth
> Haley MD. His father was John b. 1660 in England.
>
> Benjamin Clary b. 1724 m Eleanor Gerrard (Gerard) abt 1745 MD
>
> Daniel Clary b 1768 m. Eleanor Penn 1789 MD
>
> Aden Clary b. 1809 m Isabella Welch (Welsh) MD
>
> Rachel Clary b. 1835 m. Barney Dilley 1853 MD
>
> I know my grandfather Roderic Ward had Clary as his middle name.
>
> Is anyone out there researching this line?
>
> Fran
>
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Sounds like you've seen more detail than I have. Very good info.. Thanks a
bunch.
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From: "lee" <leeg(a)erols.com>
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Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 6:36 PM
Subject: Re: [CLARY] John Clary & Thomas Clary
> At 12:59 PM 1/22/2006, you wrote:
>>A lot of people have it separate... A lot don't. I know of at least one
>>Mormon researcher who spent many years researching this as he was a
>>descendant of this line. He seemed to believe John Sr. was born in Surry,
>>VA in 1660 and that Thomas moved to Maryland before his death as well.
>>
>>Still, the only evidence I can find for John Sr. being an immigrant is a
>>mention in "Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s" which upon
>>further investigation is nothing more than a land patent record in
>>Baltimore from 1677 with no indication of immigration.
>
> Both Virginia and MD in the 1600s provided headrights, that is one got
> rights to land for transporting one into the province, so one of the
> records available is the land grants via headrights. One could get
> headrights in MD for transporting people into Maryland to inhabit. If one
> was indentured for transport into the providence, they received a right
> for 50 acres after completing their service.
>
> Now the Roland book mentions that a Captain Thomas Taylor received
> headrights for 50 acres for the transport of John Clary into Maryland in
> Oct 1677, Thomas was one of 39 persons who Captain Thomas Taylor claimed
> head rights.
>
> Another source of 17th century and early 18th century data in MD were the
> Prerogative Court records, where estates got settled, There was very
> little sterling, so IOUs were traded around quite a bit.
>
> A John Clery is mentioned as receiving payments from the estate of Thomas
> Gibson of Charles Co., MD filed 3 Aug 1687.
> John CLARY received payments from the estate of Nicholas Shepard of Anne
> Arundel Co., MD filed 25 Oct 1709
>
> As the Rowlands point out there are several other immigrants we know of
> via the head rights in the 17th century
> Sarah Clary in MD by 15 Apr 1675,
> Patrick Clarrey in MD by 1676
> Peter and Latice Clerry - 1663
>
> Lee
>
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This may be of interest:
"The Early Settlers of Maryland" Skorda; From Hall of Records,Annapolis,
MD., transported; "Crown Maligo,"
Surnames of Cork County Ireland Importation Records: Maryland Hall of
Records, Land Books, Liber 15, Folio 438, copied by John E. Cremeans, April
25, 1986
Signed sealed and delivered in the presence of: John Morley, Dorchester ss:
there may be certified that Capt Thomas Taylor imported into this Provence
in October 1677:
Malligo Dyer
Philip Fling
John Crimine
Richard Love
Patrick Arsea
Cornelius Sayer
John Clary
Richard Galahio
Mary Fennel
Corn. Heafest
Dennis Callanca
Tune Melane
Tho. Slatery
Daniell Threskill
Elioner Brenane
Darby Leowrech
Wm Morsey
Elioner Dunavane
Daneil Crowley
John Mewley
Hanah Brne
Richard Stover
Tim Kinline (Marg. Dyer)
Darby Rane
Mary Dyer
Marg. Leanshmane
Tho Allen Mary Curtane
Mary Garland
Bery Richards
Edward Brice
Sarah Dunill
Kath Seanline
The Rowlands indicate: " John Clary, Sr. was born in 1660 in England. He
reached Maryland in October 1677. He was one of 39 persons transported by
Captain Thomas Taylor. This entitled the Captain to a large tract of land in
the colony. (Patent Bk. 14, part 2:438, Hall of Records, Annapolis).
Margaret
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jason S. Clary" <jason(a)clary.org>
To: <CLARY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [CLARY] Re: THE CLARYS
> I've seen that statement about John being the immigrant before but the
> only records I could find were land purchase records that show up in a
> passenger list index from before there were passenger lists. Someone
> could have easily mistaken that for an indication of immigration if they
> didn't go the extra mile and look up the actual record.
>
> The current consensus of a number of researchers is John Sr.'s father was
> Thomas Clary.
>
> As I've said in other posts, though, I've commissioned professional
> research into this line so we can be sure. Genetics have pretty well
> proven back to Daniel but I'm actively seeking descendants by different
> lines from Daniel's ancestors for genetic testing.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chuck Schlegel" <chuckschlegel(a)cinci.rr.com>
> To: <CLARY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 6:37 PM
> Subject: [CLARY] Re: THE CLARYS
>
>
>> Jason,
>>
>> I read with interest you information on the Clary name. Thanks for
>> providing
>> this.
>>
>> I am also a descendent of Daniel Clary, b. 1710, his son, William, b.
>> 1736
>> and William's son, John Swearingen, b. 1759.
>>
>> I am particularly interested in information on Daniel's parents. I have
>> relied on the Clary Genealogy by Ralph Shearer Rowland and Star Wilson
>> Rowland and they indicate that Daniel's father was John, b. about 1684
>> and
>> grandson of John b. about 1660 who arrived in Maryland in October 1677.
>>
>> I note your information suggests Daniel's immigrant ancestor was Thomas
>> who
>> arrived in Virginia. I would be particularly interested in the sources
>> that
>> link Daniel with Thomas.
>>
>> Thanks for any information you can provide.
>>
>> Chuck Schlegel
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Jason Clary" <JasonC(a)ninthhouse.com>
>> To: <CLARY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 3:16 PM
>> Subject: RE: THE CLARYS
>>
>>
>>> If you have any details about your grandmother you could send me, I'd be
>> happy to see if I can locate her.
>>>
>>> There is still some debate about the origins but we are attempting to
>>> sort
>> it out through genetic research.
>>>
>>> Some (even in my own family) say Clary is of French origin yet my Y-DNA
>> (and that some of my distant cousins which match me perfectly) says
>> Irish.
>>>
>>> There's also a legend in part of Ireland that the rather famous French
>> Clary line (Including Desiree Clary who became the queen of Sweden) is
>> actually descended from an Irish merchant who left Ireland in the 1600's
>> for
>> France.
>>>
>>> So, if you assume for the moment that most of us are Irish, we are
>>> likely
>> descended from an individual living in the 9th century known as Cléireach
>> Mac Ceadadhach who was a direct descendant of Guaire "The Hospitable"
>> Aidhne
>> Mac Colman who was King of Connaught and further back still would be
>> Dathi
>> Mac Fiachra, King of Connaught and High King of Ireland.
>>>
>>> An interesting note, one of the best Irish historical documents, The
>> Annals of Ireland - come to be known as The Annals of the Four Masters,
>> was
>> compiled by Brother Michael O'Clery and others in the 1600s.
>>>
>>> The home county for this clan was Galway (Ui Fiachrach Aidhne) until the
>> 13th century when we were driven from our lands.
>>>
>>> Many went to Donegal where the clan chieftainship continued and
>>> maintained
>> lordship over Kilbarron Castle. In the 1600's we were yet again driven
>> from
>> our lands. Many fled to other countries including France and Spain
>> around
>> the time of the Flight of the Earls and shortly after the uprising. My
>> ancestor, Thomas Clary, emigrated to Virginia in 1642 or 53, was one of
>> those to leave Ireland during that time.
>>>
>>> Obviously since a number of us have been in the states since very early
>> on, there are quite a few of us now. I've got hundreds in my tree now
>> and
>> have located 5th and 6th cousins for our DNA project which proves our
>> lineage back at least to Daniel Clary b. 1710.
>>>
>>> The most common origin states are Virginia, South Carolina and Maryland
>> although many moved out west including my family which moved through
>> Kansas,
>> Tennessee and then finally to Texas. There are quite a few in California
>> now as well but I'm not sure how long most of them have been there.
>>>
>>> Many of the name also emigrated later. The founder of the Clary
>> Corporation (www.clary.com) which makes high tech power systems for NASA
>> and
>> others appears to have emigrated from Ireland in the early 1800s
>> according
>> to my own research.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Susan Gallien [mailto:susan@thewinonafarm.com]
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 10:23 AM
>>> To: CLARY-L(a)rootsweb.com
>>> Subject: Re: THE CLARYS
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I am wondering abut the origin of the name Clary? Can anyone here help
>>> me
>> out with that? I think that my Great-Grandmother was a Clary, but am not
>> 100% certain.
>>>
>>> Susan Gallien.
>>>
>>>
>>> >
>>> >
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Yeah, I have done alot of leg work. Libraries, court houses...That's why it takes so long to do this stuff, I have to do it when I can get the time and with a house full of kids, it's hard.
I'll try to send you out a update now and then.
Thanks,
Teresa
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I have quite a bit prior to Daniel Clary b. 1710 but it's all gleaned from OneWorldTree with little supporting documentation. Cursory checking of available online sources only tells me it's possible, not necessarily probable.
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Ok. Well I just started the Clay line like I said and I still live in Virginia. And so far I have 5 generations in Brunswick Co, then 3-4 generation are in Surry Co.
I have found a source that actually is showing my line back to Thomas 1630s in Ireland marrying Judith Laton.
I am checking this now and have confirmed back to early 1700's. It looks like it is going to check out but I don't know where the paper trail will end. I do know that in those old family stories, they always say our line has been in Virginia, (Jamestown, Surry, Brunswick) since 1630's. And usually the "stories" hold true.
Do you have any siblings listed for your Danial and John Jr and John Sr. If so that could be one way of checking. I have a Harwood and Thomas and Willliam ithat may be close in age to your Danial, John, and John.
I really don't have much time to work on this, and you know how time consuming this can be, so keep in touch with me and maybe we can exchange some work.
You can email me directly at
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Me? No. My family moved west fairly early and ended up in Texas.
Yes, we are doing a Y-DNA Study encompasing all of the name Cleary/Clary/Clery and other variants. I'm interested in the Thomas Clary b ~1630 line in particular and have two other cousins in the project already but both are descended from other lines of Daniel Clary b 1710 as I am.
What we really need are descendants of his presumed father John Jr., his father John Sr. and possibly other children of Thomas assuming he's John Sr.'s father. We are lacking a good paper trail on this part of the line so DNA is our best bet.
Once we establish the first immigrant in this line we'll have a good chance of finding which of our other participants in Ireland are most closely related and we might be able to narrow down exactly which line he was from.
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Are you from Brunswick Co. VA? Are you by chance Sammy Clary's son?
I assume you are talking about the DNA study. We have one going on for my Poythress side.
If that is what you are talking about you would need a direct male, correct? I do have a cousin that would be Thomas line but I don't know if he would do the DNA or not.
Hi,
I would like to see someone make a connection between John and Thomas.
I also read the Clary Book by Ralph Rowland and got some of my info
from the book. If I remember correctly, Ralph Rowland had the VA
Clary's as a separate line.
I am a descendent of John Clary Jr. b. 1684 in MD and married Elizabeth
Haley MD. His father was John b. 1660 in England.
Benjamin Clary b. 1724 m Eleanor Gerrard (Gerard) abt 1745 MD
Daniel Clary b 1768 m. Eleanor Penn 1789 MD
Aden Clary b. 1809 m Isabella Welch (Welsh) MD
Rachel Clary b. 1835 m. Barney Dilley 1853 MD
I know my grandfather Roderic Ward had Clary as his middle name.
Is anyone out there researching this line?
Fran
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Looking for information on Edmond/Edward Clary born abt 1810 in Ireland. Married Sarah Ann Luce 27 Nov 1847 in Campbell Co., KY. He might have been married before that in 1836 to Catherine Devoy in MA. Any information, hints, clues appreciated!
ellenle2(a)hotmail.com
A lot of people have it separate... A lot don't. I know of at least one
Mormon researcher who spent many years researching this as he was a
descendant of this line. He seemed to believe John Sr. was born in Surry,
VA in 1660 and that Thomas moved to Maryland before his death as well.
Still, the only evidence I can find for John Sr. being an immigrant is a
mention in "Passenger and Immigration Lists Index, 1500s-1900s" which upon
further investigation is nothing more than a land patent record in Baltimore
from 1677 with no indication of immigration.
What evidence exists to connect John to Thomas, I don't know. But I've not
seen anything to indicate John actually immigrated from anywhere other than
possibly Virginia to Maryland.
I've commissioned professional research into this line. I'll let everyone
know the results and provide all the documentation that is found. The
research is to begin from Daniel (the one point I know is likely correct
because of genetic testing on his descendants) and I've stressed that the
researchers not make assumptions based on existing unsupported lineages.
I'd do it myself but I don't have the time or money to fly all over creation
looking for the source records.
As for your specific line... I don't have anything past Benjamin. My line
is by John's son Daniel. I'd be really interested to find a living male
Clary descendant of Benjamin. If you have any living Clary cousins from
this line I'd appreciate it if you could help me find them. I'd be willing
to pay for genetic testing on an individual from that line but unfortunately
it's only useful to do that with a direct male line descendant.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fran Krueger" <frank(a)hsc.edu>
To: <CLARY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2006 9:34 AM
Subject: [CLARY] John Clary & Thomas Clary
> Hi,
>
> I would like to see someone make a connection between John and Thomas. I
> also read the Clary Book by Ralph Rowland and got some of my info from the
> book. If I remember correctly, Ralph Rowland had the VA Clary's as a
> separate line.
>
> I am a descendent of John Clary Jr. b. 1684 in MD and married Elizabeth
> Haley MD. His father was John b. 1660 in England.
>
> Benjamin Clary b. 1724 m Eleanor Gerrard (Gerard) abt 1745 MD
>
> Daniel Clary b 1768 m. Eleanor Penn 1789 MD
>
> Aden Clary b. 1809 m Isabella Welch (Welsh) MD
>
> Rachel Clary b. 1835 m. Barney Dilley 1853 MD
>
> I know my grandfather Roderic Ward had Clary as his middle name.
>
> Is anyone out there researching this line?
>
> Fran
>
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Hello Teresa:
Yes, you probably are a part of the Clary Clan that originated with Thomas and his wife, Judith. I know they settled in Surry County and I also know there are Clary's still in that vicinity. At one time I actually had someone from down there send me a photo of an old gravestone. I'm from the same line as well. Good luck with your search. Hopefully, at some time, we can all share the information each of us has. I would be interested in knowing your line as much as you know it at this time.
Bing Anne Edwards
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Sent: Saturday, January 21, 2006 8:52 PM
Subject: [CLARY] Re: who came before Thomas Clary?
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I am pretty sure that this Thomas Clary is my 9 great-grandfather. And was wondering if this is your line also? I have just recently started researching my Clary line. And I am not 100% sure about this, but it looks like it is a pretty good chance.
Teresa Clary Willis
Brunswick Co. Virginia
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I'm am, I believe, a descendant of Thomas Clary b. ~1630. I know for certain I'm a descendant of Daniel Clary b. 1710 who we believe is Thomas' great-grandson.
We are actively looking for male direct descendants of Thomas (and any other Cleary/Clary/Clery individuals really) for a genetic study.
There are three of us now descended by various lines from Daniel in the study.
Please contact me if you know of anyone that could join. It's not free but if we can find some people that are descended from Thomas but not Daniel I might be willing to cover the cost since it will help to confirm or refute the lineage further back than Daniel.
I'm also financing professional traditional genealogical research into Daniel's line including hopefully finding Thomas' ancestors.
If you know anyone who might be interested in participating, let me know.
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I am pretty sure that this Thomas Clary is my 9 great-grandfather. And was wondering if this is your line also? I have just recently started researching my Clary line. And I am not 100% sure about this, but it looks like it is a pretty good chance.
Teresa Clary Willis
Brunswick Co. Virginia
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Looking for information on a CLARY who may have married a LOUER or LOWER in the Madison County area of CNY in the late 1700's. Any information is appreciated.
A couple (or maybe a bushel) of notes on this, if you'll indulge me.
There may be more than one source of the name. Clare and Clere may actually
be from a Scottish/English line although it's likely there are crossovers
both directions. It's also possible there are one or more French lines
(people from the town of Clary - named after the plant - and people
descended from the house of Clermont) although some of the French Clary's
may have been originally from Ireland.
The original name in Ireland comes from the word Cléireach which is a
nickname of a 9th century individual who was a member of the Ui Fiachrach
Aidhne line in Galway. Ui (Sometimes written as Hy) is the plural form of
Ua (meaning Grandson Of, later contracted to Ó or O') and it was how many
regions of Ireland were referred to before county names were used.
Cléireach does means cleric or scribe. It likely meant he was known for
being literate and learned. Many in his line were clan historians and
lawyers for other clans. There's no evidence he was associated with the
church but he was most certainly part of a noble family. He himself did not
hold title but his father and sons did.
His sons took the name Mac Cléirigh and grandsons used Ua Cléirigh. Flann
Ua Clérigh's descendats (indeed living in the 11th century) for one reason
or another, continued to use the name Ua/Ó Cléirigh but it was later
shortened by the 1600's to Ó Clérgh (actually it would have been a g with a
dot over it. h is a modern notation for lenition dots which is why so many
Irish words have so many h's) and other variants and then anglicised to
Cleary, Clary and Clery most commonly (in that order) but occasionally to
Clare (A county name, not specifically related to the name - a common
misconception), Clere, Cleere, Clarke and Clark among others.
Many of those in Ireland with some of those less common spellings are likely
Scots-Irish and English settlers that are unrelated. It will be difficult
to sort these out without further DNA testing because of the scarcity of
records before the early 1900s in Ireland.
Ó Cléirigh is the generally accepted proper Irish Gaelic form of the name.
A fairly noticeable number of individuals reverted to this spelling in the
late 1800's and early 1900's in Ireland likely due to the efforts of the
Gaelic League.
As to being the first proper surname, it most certainly is the earliest
known at this time in Europe however there are other cultures with much
older surnames. Most notably are the Chinese who have surnames dating back
as much as 5000 years.
We are very lucky that Brother Michael Ó Cléirigh compiled the Annals of
Ireland which have since come to be known as The Annals of the Four Masters.
It's one of the most important pieces of Irish historical documentation and
it relates history from the earliest times up to the 1600s. It was compiled
from many earlier sources that are known to have existed but have not
survived. Luckily the manuscript was kept in the family until the 1800's
when it was published and translated. There are now two available
translations. I own copies of both. They come in two large volumes and
cover a lot of history. Most of it isn't Clary specific.
Another valuable resource, this one specifically for the Ui Fiachrach clans,
is The Tribes and Customs of Hy Fiachrach which is essentially a translation
of the Book of Lecan by O'Donovan with copious notes and modern (1800's)
trees and histories from the southern parts of Connaught including Galway.
It's a worthwhile source for Clary information.
Jason S. Clary
Y-DNA Project Administrator
Ó Cléirigh Clan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bing Edwards" <bing_Ed(a)msn.com>
To: <CLARY-L(a)rootsweb.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 2:30 PM
Subject: [[CLARY]] Re: THE CLARYS
> Hello Susan:
>
> Here's some info for you. Clary came from the name Clere/Clerc. It
> originated in the 11th century. Now, here's the really interesting part.
> As far as anyone knows, Clary was actually the very first last name to
> ever exist. This came about as the population was growing and people
> could no longer identify other people by simply stating, "This is John,
> son of Samuel, etc. So the Irish were the first to begin the practice of
> using a last name. It has been written that the first Clary (Clere) was a
> scribe in the church. So, you can tell your friends that not only are
> there many of us Irish Clary's, but that our name was the very first last
> name known to exist.
>
> Bing Anne Edwards (from the Clary family)
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Susan Gallien<mailto:susan@thewinonafarm.com>
> To: CLARY-L(a)rootsweb.com<mailto:CLARY-L@rootsweb.com>
> Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2006 1:23 PM
> Subject: Re: THE CLARYS
>
>
> Hi,
>
> I am wondering abut the origin of the name Clary? Can anyone here help
> me out with that? I think that my Great-Grandmother was a Clary, but am
> not 100% certain.
>
> Susan Gallien.
>
>
> >
> >
>
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